Once the Gundam is mass produced...

>>14539891
I can't imagine the mental gymnastics writers go through to avoid mass producing Gundams in every series.

>>14540166
But they did get mass produced in Victory

>>14539891
GAGAs tho

>>14540166
Well the go to answers are usually main faction budget restrictions or untested prototype.

>>14540166
Usually the argument of "hey, we can make five GMs for the price of one Gundam".

>>14540166
In fairness, G did have Gundams everywhere.

>>14540407
And then all the GMs can't amount to the capabilities of one Gundam, which then singlehandedly wins every battle for the federation (or whomever built the gundam).

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>>14540407
Which, to be fair, isn't a bad strategy.

>>14540419
No it's the Federation. Zeon/Zaft/random villian faction usually end up fighting for the Federation.

>>14540419
You're forgetting that Gundams are always piloted by aces, making them seem much more powerful than they actually are.

>>14540436
>You're forgetting that Gundams are always piloted by aces
Or newbie teens.

>>14540440
Who are secretly ace psychics.

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>>14540419
>And then all the GMs can't amount to the capabilities of one Gundam
Incorrect. There were 8 total high-end Gundams in service during the OYW, but only one of them was actually the powerhouse Gundams are known to be, and that had everything to do with the fact that Amuro piloted it, especially considering among the Gundams in service, it was the weakest.

Conversely, the man that got the most kills on the Federation's side (more than even Amuro) during the OYW piloted exclusively GMs, and he fought for a shorter time period at that.

>>14540471
>Conversely, the man that got the most kills on the Federation's side (more than even Amuro) during the OYW piloted exclusively GM
Doesn't count for shit unless he actually appeared in anything animated.

>>14540419

literally ever gundam that has done anything noteworthy ever was because of the pilot, not the suit itself

>>14540440
Main characters tend to have the odds stacked in their favour.

In Amuro's case he was literally invincible for the first part of his career, which tends to help.

>>14540477
That guy's numbers are bullshit. He somehow got hundreds of MS kills in an absurdly small amount of time. Where the fuck was he finding all of these Zakus?

Let's not forget the fact that the top Zeon ace from side material killed like five hundred GMs on his own.

>>14540484
Except the Unicorn, but that one is a literally magical super robot.

>>14540506

>five hundred GMs

Literally who? The top ace from MSV is Breniff Oguz who downed 193 MSs.

>>14540471
>Sniper

No shit. All snipers IRL have massive killcounts.

>>14540477
>Doesn't count for shit unless he actually appeared in anything animated.
A. He's from MSV, which has Sunrise's blessing 100% (mostly because it was written in-house by their staff in the early days of the franchise, and animated series since then have taken from it.) They also approve of Blue Destiny, while we're on the topic.

B. Don't even try to use that rule if you aren't familiar with the context of it, which you clearly aren't, faggot.

>>14540419
Not really man; grunts put in work in UC. A GM isn't -that- much weaker than a Gundam anyway, which is basically just a Gelgoog (that is immune to Zaku bullets)

>>14540407
Except for when it's the US.

I mean, instead of producing GMs, we're trying to produce more Gundams. And it's only failed us every time.

See F-22, B-2, and F-35.

Hell, the best workhorse still is the equivalent of a Guntank, that being the B-52. Bringing the rain, and bringing the pain, and while not exactly graceful nor stealthy, gets the job done with far less cost and drama.

Now that I think about it, Sunrise should make a Gundam series where the Feds just keep trying to make overpriced Gundams that are almost never actually used except as special Elite Guard units while a foreign faction's Gundams are sorted out more regularly alongside some non-gundams.

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>>14540506
He was a designated marksman in a RGM-79SC throughout most of the war, meaning he knew how to use ranged weapons to their advantage. Also, he was at A Baoa Qu, which is like a kill farm for aces in MSV, and used a custom GM Command Space Type (2nd highest performing space-capable GM in the war.) Amuro spent a good portion of the battle dealing with Char, whereas Tenneth was probably just shooting down mooks the whole time.

He wasn't better than Amuro (who had more space ships under his belt) he was just a really good shot and a good enough pilot to not get killed.

>>14540543
>F-35
>failure
How so?

>>14540550
Generally speaking, trying to make a high-end war machine that's a jack of all trades ALWAYS ends fucking horribly, and the F-35 has been the biggest useless moneypit since the F22.

Long story short, it has an alarming lack of maneuverability and the Military branches and pretty much bitching that it's respective variants are mediocre at their jobs.

ALWAYS build a war machine to perform a specific task, and if you can figure out ways to expand on that, THEN you make a variant. You never build one and plan to have that one design do everything from the start.

>>14540477
Much like the Battley of the Phillipine sea IRL the last few battles of the war were ace fodder for some of the better Fed pilots.
>>14540543
The reason the US does that is thanks to a manpower shortage due to no draft like many countries have done. If Trump really wants to change America then a new draft must come. Also the F-35 is suppose to be a cost effective thing but in the end trying to make a plane that can do everything adequately costs just as much making multiple specialized planes.

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>>14540574
Like so?

>>14540543
>Now that I think about it, Sunrise should make a Gundam series where the Feds just keep trying to make overpriced Gundams that are almost never actually used except as special Elite Guard units while a foreign faction's Gundams are sorted out more regularly alongside some non-gundams.

This is what A/Z could have been.

>>14540574
hey sprey

>>14540574
>Generally speaking, trying to make a high-end war machine that's a jack of all trades ALWAYS ends fucking horribly
Like the late-block F-16s? OH WAIT.

The F-35 has no "alarming lack of maneuverability", it's got an RCS comparable to the F-22, it's got an expected cost per unit LOWER THAN THE RAFALE, no lack of weapons capacity (Yeah, it hurts the RCS, but it still has lower RCS than any other fighter flying with the same payload), and fucking insane electronics.

Pierre Sprey pls go.

>>14540543

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the F-22 still god tier but we have nothing to use it against?

>>14540624
yea

>>14540624
Give the world another 50 years to start another war.

>>14540624

its an extremely expensive air superiority fighter created in a time where A2A combat is pretty much nonexistant, so yeah

>>14540656
There's also that weird memory loss issue it's pilots were having.

>>14540471
It was because of the learning computer.

>>14540656
They patched a2g into it.

I kinda hate the F22 for reasons but the madmen found a way to use it so hooray for digital age aerospace I guess.

Having a stealth option for shitting bombs on sandniggers with radar is actually really crucial though.

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>>14540693
I couldn't ever hate a plane that looks so good.

>>14540682
The learning computer data was put into all GMs November and onward.

>>14539891
What series is this from?

>>14540523
Not necessarily true. In addition to getting killed themselves there are multiple obstacles in the way of snipers getting massive kill counts. They might get confirmed kills, but not large amounts.

It also depends on the theater of conflict as well. The OYW was obviously very intense with massive amounts of forces deployed, but irl, conflicts like insurgencies and and very brief conventional wars of the last 3 or so decades often don't end up with snipers returning with fuckhueg kill counts. On the other hand, during WW2, Simo Hayha, a Finnish sniper is claimed to have killed 505 men, the highest sniper kill count of any war to date. That being said, WW2 was obviously a far more intense conflict than the conflicts of today, and it lasted for 6 years. Maybe snipers in MSG have high kill counts, but that is not a reflection of real life.

tl;dr: No, snipers don't always have massive kill counts.

>>14540550
This exactly>>>>>>14540574
Would've posted this earlier. If you want more info, just ask /K/ or read up about it on google.

>>14540767
/k/ always argues everytime it's brought up.

>>14540767
/k/ would laugh you off for Spreyposting

>>14540767
>/K/
>not /k/
They'll BTFO you just like in every F-35 thread for the past couple years. I posed the question specifically so I could see someone spout bullshit.

>>14540624
Pretty much nailed it. It also doesn't matter how many are in service, as by the time any other country finally begins mass production of a 5th gen fighter, the US will already have a prototype for a 6th gen . What will really matter is how many 5th gen fighters we export, although that's another matter entirely. It is worth noting though that the US will most likely export more F-35s than F-22s, if not solely F-35s.
I'm no Pierre Sprey, but while the F-22 may have most of its kinks worked out by now, the F-35 remains a shiny turd.

I'll go back to /k/ now.

>>14540419
That isn't fully true. Take the White Base's adventures for instance; while it and the Project V team's presence won some battles for the Federation (Odessa, Solomon), there are plenty of others where it meant very little (Odessa ramp-up and main body of battle, Jaburo, ramp-up to Solomon, A Baoa Qu).

This is besides how the GM, for all the flak it gets, is generally a robust and capable MS which -did- effectively win the conflict.

>>14540775
>>14540777
>>14540778

>Argues
As with nearly everything.

>Spreyposting
Right, because we know its shit, but we also know that Sprey is an idiot.

>not /k/
o/k/, relax.

>>14540793
35's code base is far more appealing than that of 22's.

No one wants to learn ADA if they can help it.

>>14540802
This is also true, thanks anon.

>>14540740
It's a Gundam 00 sidestory.

http://gundam.wikia.com/wiki/CB-001_1_Gundam

>>14540800
But it's not shit? It's got performance similar to the F-18 and F-16, lower RCS than both, really nice electronics, long range on internal fuel, and both internal weapon capacity and external hardpoints.

>>14540802

>Using C++ because it's more convenient

That's literally the worst reason you would favour it. One of ADA’s stength is the safety provided by enforcing programming standard as part of the language construct. That would only be an excuse if the F 35 is a job creation program

>>14540596
More like muv luv's Takemikazuchi line

>>14540880
They got the C++ inventor to pen the code standards, and it's a hell of a lot easier to find a sepples monkey than it is an ADA coder anyway, plus any sepples monkey worth their weight could code to strict tolerances demanded of a project as hostile to failure as a combat jet.

ADA is literally nothing more than the DoD being obstinate, it's never going to be mainstream, so unless they really enjoy paying put the ass for someone who tolerates ADA there's really no reason not to open up to more commonplace languages.

Besides last I recall the 22 ran on an old dialect of ADA. 35 still uses ADA for a bunch of core elements, the C++ runs on top of it or something but it's that openness to sepples that makes it less of a bitch to rope coders in.

>>14540851
>Performance similar to the F-18 and F-16.
Wowee, proofs?

Also, at what cost? Aside from all of the money dropped on it couple with the kinks and issues it still has, it continues to be a tough issue for the DoD, as the money that was supposed to saved buy adopting the F-35 was to be put towards the Navy's F/A-XX development. Speaking of the Navy, they plan to buy a few more F/A-18s and EA-18s, which are already hard sells for Boeing and put that money towards the F/A-XX and then purchase fewer F-35s than originally intended, as they still realize the longer range capabilities of the F-35, an order which still won't be fully delivered until much later, given there are no more delays and the aircraft becomes more refined.

>>14540166
I would just say that the Gundam is a prototype. It suffers from high fuel consumption, armor that can't be easily reproduced, a weapon system that, while powerful on paper is shit for dogfighting other mobile suits, and spends too much of the military budget on aesthetics. And that's why the Earth-analogue of the series makes a mass-produced MS that looks only vaguely like the Gundam instead.

>>14540543
M1 Abrams.

>>14540484
Then how do you explain Ramba Ral's statement that it was the mobile suit's capabilities, not Amuro, that defeated him?

>>14540923
Product of the US Army logistics machine.

Like many luxuries the US fields, it makes sense as part of a big picture, but not as a standalone device.

>>14540574
But the F-22 is specifically an air superiority fighter, and it's the best one currently in service in the world. For 1 F-22 you can shoot down 100 F-16 equivalents.

>>14540793
The F-22 is specifically a not-for-export fighter. The F-35 will be exported in droves because it was designed to be sold.

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>>14539891
>Mass produced Reborns
>mfw

>>14540939
I kinda figured yeah, but I wasn't completely sure, thanks though.

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>>14540940
they're inferior predecessors to the reborns

>>14540949
Not in the case of aesthetics, where it's superior in every way for ditching the backpack.

>>14540578
>The reason the US does that is thanks to a manpower shortage due to no draft like many countries have done.

The US does not suffer a lack of people wanting to become pilots. If they had trouble recruiting pilots then the standards wouldn't be so ridiculously high.

>>14540912
>Wowee, proofs?
http://nettsteder.regjeringen.no/kampfly/2016/03/01/f-35-i-naerkamp-hva-har-jeg-laert-sa-langt-the-f-35-in-a-dogfight-what-have-i-learned-so-far/
Written by an F-35 pilot.

Here's some nice quotes.

>The F-35 reacts quicker to my pedal inputs than the F-16 would at its maximum AOA (the F-16 would actually be out of control at this AOA).

>I am impressed with the stability and predictability of the airplane. Particularly at high AOA and low airspeeds. It is a peculiar feeling to be flying the F-35 at high AOA. I can pull the nose up to where my feet «sit» on the horizon and still maintain level altitude. I’m also impressed by how quickly the F-35 accelerates when I reduce the AOA. High AOA produces lots of lift, but also tremendous induced drag. When I «break» the AOA, it is evident that the F-35 has a powerful engine.

>>14540928
Sounds like butthurt to me.

>>14540611
>it's got an RCS comparable to the F-22

This is patently false

>it's got an expected cost per unit LOWER THAN THE RAFALE

Considering the F-35 will have TEN times the numbers of the Rafale produced the fact that they are even as close as they are is troubling.

>and fucking insane electronics.

So "insane" that it relies on a F-22 flying ahead to serve as its eyes and ears.

>>14540900
Honestly I'm still surprised some sectors of the government still use Cobol.

>>14540970
You should be afraid.

Fortran is the only timeless language.

>>14540980
Tell me about it. Holy shit I mean they still teach Fortran but hell there aren't that many resources to learn fucking COBOL.

>>14540970
A lot of businesses still use it too.

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>>14539891
But they already are...

>>14540991
The smart ones are hiring Cobol fossils to help migrate away from Cobol.

It's expensive but worth it.

>>14540997
Just because they had the same body doesn't mean shit in terms of performance. Next you'll be saying the GM is a mass produced RX-78.

>>14540999
Yes, I know. Thank God for me.

>>14541001
But the GM canonically is a RX-78 without the Luna Titanium and Learning Computer, and with one beam saber removed.

>>14541009
Don't forget the half assed beam sprayer.

>>14540960
Didn't know of this, pretty cool. Seems the F-35 has come a long way in the air to air department. Regardless, the economic problems still stand, not that it matters for Norway. We'd have no qualms selling F-35s to them.

>>14540611
>F-16
To be fair, that was designed as an air superiority fighter and it was later modified into a multirole machine.

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Model Number: RGM-79 GM
Height: 18.0 meters
Weight: 41.2 tons
Generator Output: 1,250 kilowatts
Armor Material: Titanium Alloy

SPECS AND ARMAMENTS OF THE GM


Mechanisms:
The RGM-79's fundamental nature as an all-purpose machine was taken into account during the planning of its mass-production. It's a MS that boasts of astounding productivity due to making several major changes to lower the costs of the basic RX-78 design it inherited.

Head: While the head's optical system may be a simplified version of the dual type used in the RX-78, it's much easier to produce.
Backpack: It's possible for commander types to equip two beam sabers. The GM can also exceed its design plans and be equipped with main thrusters equal to the RX-78's.
Torso: Due to the cost of the Core Block System used in the RX-78, it was replaced with a cartridge-style cockpit. The basic design of this referenced the RX-78.
Arms: The arms are the same kind as the RX-78, so they're capable of carrying beam weapons.
Legs: The legs and the feet were designed to be able to accomodate all kinds of situations and terrains.

Armaments:
Hyper Bazooka
Beam Saber
Beam Spray Gun
Vulcan Gun: The head is equipped with two 60mm vulcans.
Shield: The shield can be mounted on the backpack.

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DEVELOPMENT TIMELINE OF EFSF MS

The Goal of "Operation V" was the Development of MS

Operation V, also known as the "Vinson Plan", was a plan to rebuild the space armada lost in the period of time from the One Week War at the beginning of U.C. 0079 (1/3 ~ 1/10) to the Battle of Loum (1/15 ~ 1/16). It began on April 1st of the same year.

An unprecedently massive project, the purpose of "Operation V" was the development and construction of mass-produced MS, assault craft that could serve as motherships for these MS, and weapons that could effectively make use of the new tactics made available by these. Upon completion, the task of delivering the finished product to the existing "Earth Federation Forces" wouldn't be left solely to defense contractors. The doors would also be thrown open to a wide array of private enterprises.

Upon actually starting, it was decided that this project would absorb the the in-progress "RX Plan" into its already enormous draft. Several useful concepts from the RX Plan were incorporated into Operation V, and it wasn't uncommon for there to be simultaneous advancements in the developments of both the prototypes and the mass-production machines.

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Prior to the onset of the war, the Zeonic Company displayed the MS they had been developing, claiming them to be work machines that could keep the peace in the Principality of Zeon. Their goal was to sound out a reaction from the Federation forces. And upon witnessing the testing of a demilitarized MS-05 Zaku I equipped with demonstration armor, Federation executives judged it would never be a military threat due to its large size (which would make picking it up with radar easy even from long distances) and its complete lack of built-in weapons. Still, taking into consideration information that Zeon was organizing and training a mobile practice battalion, these Federation officials decided to ask private enterprises to begin development on "gigantic, human-like weapons" as well as research countermeasures. This was the RX Plan.

Incidentally, due to a lack of a definite budget, in order for defense contractors to accomodate this project they had to reorganize their budget plans and take money from already in-progress weapons research. They also reached out to private enterprises to assist with their early plans and prototypes, and as a result all sorts of ideas were greatly influenced by the weapons industry. Like this, a great deal of foundational data was gathered.

And thus came January 3rd, U.C. 0079. The Principality of Zeon declared war on the Earth Federation, and the Zeon War for Independence (also known as the One Year War) began. And at the onset of hostilities, the Federation soldiers on the frontlines bore witness to the miraculous might of the "first" MS. The Earth Federation was pushed to the brink of surrender in just under a month, and by the time Operation V was initiated (April), Zeon forces had already occupied more than a third of the Earth's surface. With the goal of overturning this state of affairs, the Federation made the drastic decision to start development of their own MS.

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A Comparison of the Developments and Applications of the Federation's Mass-Produced MS and the Principality of Zeon's Zaku

According to General Revil, the man who miraculously returned alive after being captured in the Battle of Loum, the man who proclaimed that "Zeon was exhausted" in order to advocate the Federation resisting to the bitter end, and the man who witnessed the true strength and potential of MS with his own eyes, MS were sure to be the main weapons of the next generation.

At the moment in time the Earth Federation decided to continue fighting, there were already numerous environment-specific variations of the Zaku spread out all over the globe. While the Zaku was originally an all-purpose machine, the unexpected harshness of the Earth's environment meant that extensive modifications and readjustments to the entirety of a MS' frame to fit the terrain were a necessity. And naturally, the resources to do these were just as essential. But at this time, even though the Earth Federation had decided to replace or back-up existing aircraft and military vehicles with MS, they did not have a surplus of these crucial resources and furthermore vitally needed to accumulate general MS knowhow. For that purpose, the Federation Army decided during the development of the RX Series to adopt an approach of simultaneously implementing and inspecting any existing components. This was how large-scale cannons with accordingly high firepower, caterpillar treads, and many other things ended up in the RX Series.

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Over the course of numerous Earth landings, Principality forces gained complete control over a third of the Earth's surface in the blink of an eye. This stretched their supply lines thin, however, and the Federation Army was also ready to to begin their attack and reverse the seemingly decided war. After returning from the Battle of Loum, General Revil insisted that a drastic overhaul to anti-MS strategy was necessary, and with his popularity and political acumen he spearheaded Operation V.

Central to the effective use of MS is a mothership. The Federation Army wanted MS to be "mobile soldiers" that could be placed in formation like their smaller counterparts, so it was decided to construct "assault landing craft" that could transport and deploy MS as well as provide logistical support.

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Rest of the blurb (pretty much the entire right half) hasn't been translated yet.

a damn shame most of sunrise is zeek scum nowadays so GMs don't get the love they need.

>>14540624
It's an overpriced fighter that is almost never deployed into active combat due to the degree of advanced tech involved with it, and the US' unwillingness to even risk letting even one get shot down and having to ensure the wreck is vaporized is what's keeping them from deploying them with more regularity. They're mainly used like the Takemikazuchi Elite Guards of MuvLuv, protecting the homefront until absolutely necessary.

Furthermore, like the B-2, the full production run was just straight-up canceled in favor of cheaper aircraft that can at least be deployed with minimal concern about the tech potentially falling into enemy hands, and also ones that require far less maintenance, due to either not being stealthy or using maintenance friendlier stealth materials. And more importantly, in favor of aircraft actually able to carry a larger weapons loadout.

It's not a bad design by any means, but like ML's Takemi, and most iconic Gundams, it's a hangar queen.

>>14541241
>And more importantly, in favor of aircraft actually able to carry a larger weapons loadout.

F-22 carries 6 AMRAAMs and 2 sidewinders, which is more than enough. That isn't even counting external pylons. Hanger queens implies an aircraft which has a high flight to maintenance ratio and is prohibitively expensive to maintain. Neither of which really applies to the F-22. The reason it hasn't been used is because since there are so few they need to be really careful about the amount of flight hours they put on the air frame so they can make sure they are still in good condition in case a war breaks out. Stealth hasn't been needed at all in Afghanistan and Iraq, which is why the F-117 was retired despite the airframes being in good condition. There just wasn't a point in using them.

>>14540471
>There were 8 total high-end Gundams in service during the OYW

Try more like 40+, bro.

>>14541141
>>14541147
>>14541150
>>14541157
>>14541160
>>14541165

Who are you and what is this a translation of?

>>14539891
Didn't they mass produce a bunch of RX-94 Gundams that were basically simplified but still super high end mass production versions of Amuro's Nu Gundam?

>>14541330
That last picture is from the MG GM 2.0 manual, so presumably that.

>>14540471
I really consider MSV stuff to be low canon at best when it comes to Gundam because of dumb shit like this.

>>14540548
>used a custom GM Command Space Type (2nd highest performing space-capable GM in the war)
Not even the MC of the White Dingos Team is this wonky bullshit and he had a GM Sniper II which is practically the best GM suit and on par with the RX-78-2. In fact, its the fucking fastest, has the best sensors and scanning/tracking equipment, most advanced avionics and surveillance, and a super high output strong as fuck beam sniper rifle.

>>14541353
he just wasn't as good as tenneth :^)

>>14540928
Amuro completely outsmarted him. It was as much skill as it was him using the RX-78-2's specs to his advantage.

It was like Amuro himself said, Ral was being a sore loser.

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>>14539891
Besides the MS, is there any part of the 00 non-animated universe that ISN'T retarded?

>>14541356
Quality > Quantity mate.

>>14541359
Everything, its just too innovative for you.

>>14541357
First fight, Amuro was completely reliant on the Gundam against Ramba's Gouf.

>>14541366
Yes, but the quote comes from the second fight where Amuro tricks Ral out using Gundam's cockpit latch.

>>14541376
Oh I thought they were talking about the very first fight.

>>14541359
Not really no.

>>14541308
The 117 was an obsolete brick that ran on inertial guidance just to stay stealthy, though.

>>14541330
Why do you need to know a name?

>>14541173
Derringer said that GMs don't sell and it's quite logical why.

Gundams always have plenty of screen time and look cool.
The Zaku of a series will have the Char piloting it so it also has time to shine and look cool.
The GM will just fight the Zakus or job to the Char or mecha of the week.

>>14541325
He said high end, not total. The ground gundams were not high end for example. They were leftover parts with limiters slapped onto them and then shoved onto a special frame to hold it all together.

>>14540166
A very simple hand waive is to say "it's too expensive" and make 5 GMs for the price of a single Gundam.

>>14540440
Newbie teens who are usually geniuses or have an uncanny ability to pilot mobile suits and adapt/learn ridiculously quickly. Gundam MCs aren't ordinary kids just because they're civilians. Either that or they're fucking Jedi.

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>>14541353
Master Pierce Rayer wasn't at Solomon or A Baoa Qu. The vast majority of the big battles happened in space. Austrailia was pretty much a series of skirmishes at best.

Had he went to space instead, he probably would have gotten way more (or died.)

>>14541345
Well, Sunrise considers it canon, so...

>>14541147
>Operation V, also known as the "Vinson Plan"
This is wrong. Operation V was the Federation's effort to organize their development projects into one collossal project to effectively transport and deploy Mobile suits in combat. The Vinson Plan was the Federation's efforts to rebuild their forces after the OWB, which included a personnel reinforcement plan and a pilot training program for mobile suits, drawing mostly from fighter pilots.

>>14541359
The Innovator War that happened between Setsuna's disappearance and the launch of the Sumeragi, involving the Old Human League and their QBW Supersoldiers vs the Innovators, Innovades, and their supporters, sounded worthy of a 3-6 movie OVA.

The Solar Wars prior to the series start also was worthwhile.

Only Fon Spark's Gary Stu adventures was retarded.

>>14542245
Its still secondary to the anime.

>>14542273
Tell that to Bandai then.

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>>14542479
It looks like it was a legitimate mistranslation, と同じ here means "similar to", not "can be called that".

If I were to guess, the translator probably just looked up Operation V on the wiki to see if they were getting the broad strokes right and ran into:

>A top-secret military project, codenamed "Project V" (short for "Project Victory" or the Vinson Plan in the English translation) was initiated

And then went with that.

>>14541359
Only Fon Spaak was pure retardation. Everything else was half retardation to completely okay.

>>14542748
This. Fon Spaak being this super edgy Mary Sue insert OC donut steel super awesome Fershete or whatever backup Meister whose better then Ali + Graham + Neil put together bullshit ruined an otherwise fun 00 side story.

>>14542398
If you want to get technical, it IS anime, considering a decent amount of MSV suits appeared in Zeta.

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>>14542842
A good number of them were supposed to make it into the anime, originally. MSV started out as a way to make use of unused MS designs and sell model kits of it, and eventually broadened into an expansion of the OYW itself, complete with ace stories and specifics about history.

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>>14540484

>>14541009
>>14541014
and core block

>>14540166
When I first got into Gundam,I thought the Gundam was the Federation`s main MP suit like Zeon`s Zaku,and thought special snowflake super mecha wouldn'`t be a thing in this franchise...

>>14545292
It was supposed to be. Then they realized all they needed to beat the zeeks was a suit with a beam weapon, so they made the GM to save money, cause feds are turbojews.

Victory's the series with MP Gundams.

>>14546255
but they still didn´t MP V2

>>14541819

I actually blame Bandai for not having a nice MG 2.0 of GM in the same vain as Zaku 2.0. While it's nice they have a retro design for a change, I want a modernized GM to go with the Zaku. If they did I would have bought up all the GM variations of it like the Zaku.

>>14541819
GMs are the coolest though.