>Weapons are connected to the hands by USB

>>14520416
It was stupid.

>>14520416
>08th MS Team and the USB format were both produced in January of 1996
whoa

>>14520416

I believe that is how Gundam Seed Astray also explained it as well.

Lowe even made an attack out of it.

>>14520416
The MSV-R manga touches upon this a little.

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>>14520501
What's so stupid about it? Thanks to this setup the mobile suit onboard computer can work with the weapon more precisely, for example getting data about current ammo count and allowing it to shoot without the MS having to physically pull the trigger.

And if the connection gets broken, the trigger is still there as a secondary backup mechanism.

>>14520416
wouldn't you break the connector if you simply hold the weapon slightly incorrectly?

>>14520965
Yeah, its even more fragile looking than a mechs fingers are in the first place.

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>>14520501
It's actually quite brilliant. The advantages in targeting alone are worth it and makes a lot of sense since MS rarely hold the weapons like an infantry soldier would need to in order to line up the sights.

I can see the advantages. I feel like the connector might be better on some kind of pivot, though.

>>14520416
Handplugs. They're just a thing in Gundam. Some use them to power the weapon, others just as a means of interfacing. G-Saviour lists handplug compatibility in its stats.

>>14521545
IIRC the plugs were discussed in a bit of detail in Tomino's MSG novels

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>>14520965
then don't hold the weapon incorrectly.

The weapons in AC4 were shown to be like this too. If you look closely just before White Glint launches a connector in hits hand slides into place. It can also barely be seen in AC4s intro, after Supplice impales the MT with its rifle.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBwq1n6vsXU

I though there was an EM field power source in the palm.

I wasn't even aware we had USBs back then

>>14520416
So thats why each ms cannot simply steal/grab other weapons that not designated with it.

Im always wonder why the GM's doesn't simply grab downed Zakus MG when they lost their own gun.

>>14521905
It's because Zaku MGs are the shittiest things ever and you're better off with a beam saber.

>>14521909
They're effective against other Zakus

>>14521953
Zakus AND GMs

Especially the zeeks chink counterfeit one

>>14521905
Or just Amuro really. I mean he seemed to run out of beam rifle energy all the time, but he just pulled a saber and melee'd rather than ever grabbing a dropped machinegun or bazooka.

Or for that matter, the chronically alone-behind-enemy-lines-with-few-supplies White Base only managed to grab a Zaku that one time. And then it just seemed to vanish into the ether.

>>14521905
Simple weapons like machine guns and bazookas that are just scaled up infantry weapons probably work just fine for any MS that can pick it up and pull the trigger. More specialized beam weapons require electrical energy to operate properly, though. In the post Zeta era, a lot of shit happens to be mostly compatible because AE has a monopoly on the weapons contracting business. That and they supply arms to both sides of a lot of conflicts involving MS.

>>14522012
Amuro's pretty comfortable with melee. He did steal a Geara Doga's gun in CCA and try to use it against the Sazabi, though.

>>14520416
Why deploy the connector when you're still grabbing the weapon? That's how you break shit. Wait until the weapon is firmly held and secure in your giant robot's hand before connecting. Read the fucking manual, jesus christ.

>>14522219
Using the machine guns and bazookas probably has their own set of problems.

Like, your MS doesn't know how to hold it properly, much less use the gunsight on those for targetting. For machine guns it isn't that bad, since you really just need it to hold the gun properly, fire then adjust your aim via the tracers if you can't aim with it.

>>14522248
Ideally some kind of automatic computer control can adjust and compensate, or failing that there's magical macros to solve everything.

In F91 Seabook tries to manually take the F91's own beam rifle off the weapon rack, and a maintenance mechanic yells at him to leave the system on "auto" when it's apparent how slow and awkward trying to manually pick something up is.

>>14522245
Because you need it fast? Its a battlefield, every second you waste means death to you and your team

Also, the material in that time maybe durable enought and its military grade anyway, also helped by automated command so it not really an issue.

>>14521905
>>14522219
>>14521909
>>14522012
That's only early UC. By Unicorn and afterwards, everything is interchangeable and universal. Remember episode 4 and episode 5, that was one of the things Zeon and the Federation were able to unite on, mostly because Anaheim makes everything.

>>14521545

Powering the weapon is mostly a Seed thing, and even then it was mostly so they could have Strike dramatically run out of power a few times.

Except when they forgot like in Destiny.

>>14520965
>>14520973
I'm sure they're not made of the same fragile PCB material as current USB plug

>>14522337
Powering the weapon has been a thing since UC began (at first explained in databooks only, of course). A run-of-the-mill Zaku I/II could never pick up any beam rifle and just use it.

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>>14520616
it's stupid because the franchise demonstrates data links over chassis touch.

if mobile suits can create data/comms links by touching each other, why does the weapon need a plug?

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>>14520973
Fuck yeah! This is what I've been saying all along, its super unrealistic how the weapons connect to these giant robots fighting each other in space with laserbeams.

>>14522348

UC beam rifles have their own charges, which is why Amuro frequently ran out of power for his but was able to keep fighting without it or get a spare. Later beamrifles in UC even had reloadable "ammo" clips to let it continue to work in the field.

Seed weapons are entirely reliant on the suits reactor for energy and the whole suit will power down when it's dry (well Gundam weapons are. Stuff like the Zaft ZAKU's actually have internally powered weapons than be reloaded)

8th ms team is such fucking garbage

>>14522361
>UC beam rifles have their own charges
What do you mean by that? Power, or ammunition?

Only a few UC suits have special beam rifles that don't require electricity from the reactor. UC beam rifles have almost always required that the suit have a strong enough reactor to power it. The e-cap and e-pac only store minovsky particles which are the "ammunition" for the beam rifle. Electricity is still required to power the weapon.

>>14522351
Transmitting audio feeds and transmitting drivers for first time installation/sensor data/weight distribution/power for beam weapons/targeting computer algorithms/ are two very different things. You can transmit a minor signal through a mobile suit's body. You cannot do the same thing with the aformentioned.

>>14522351
The difference is the computer actually to directly communicate with the weapon in real time, which has it's own sensors and equipment meant to assist the on board targeting computer.

>>14520591
Hmm... Think anyone ever left some weapons laying around the battlefield on purpose that were infected with a trojan virus, so that when an enemy MS picks it up, installs the driver and tries to use it, the attached trojan fucks up the MS's systems? You wouldn't typically have an antivirus intalled on an MS, would you?

>>14522376
Your shit taste is garbage.

>>14522384
He's talking about OYW beam weapons, the Gundam and Guncannons beam rifles both use energy capacitors, or e-caps. The Gundam's held at least 16 shots, iirc.

>>14523154
>held at least 16 shots
To be more specific, it ONLY held 16 shots. Federation OYW beam weapons functioned a lot like pistols/guns today; they charge it up and the amount of shots in the gun are all you get. You have to take the gun back to its charging station to reload it.

Conversely, by the Gelgoog, Zeon figured out (the long way) how to make MS reactors that could produce enough Minovsky particles to fire their own beam weapons and recharge via the MS's hands in battlefield-time (so a couple minutes/seconds compared to the hours it would take for an MS reactor before that point to produce enough particles).

>>14521905
>So thats why each ms cannot simply steal/grab other weapons that not designated with it.
The MSV-R manga implies it's more that an MS needs to have drivers/data installed that would allow it to actually know how to operate a specific weapon.

I would imagine it's just "move presets" like in a game (e.g. Dark Souls, where each weapon has its own moveset), just with an assload of targeting data dealing with AMBAC and giant robot fingers and other madness.

>>14520416
Makes sense to me. I mean what would be the alternative? We gonna try to WiFi the info to the cockpit? Aside from opening up a whole new list of new errors there's Minovsky Particles blocking out wireless connections. Seems like a hardwired connection is the most local interface for something like this.

>>14521832
I remember seeing that in AC4 and wondering if it was an animation error.
Then it showed up again in 4A and I made realized it was on purpose and most likely what you just said.

>>14520616
>>14520987

The problem isn't the idea, the problem is the implementation.

The plug-in device is located in the palm of the hand itself, and appears to be a rigid structure rather than mounted on a cable. That means that, out of all of the possible ways to grip a weapon, exactly ONE of them is the one that actually plugs the gun into your MS for targeting uplink.

It becomes virtually impossible to actually aim and use the weapon, because moving the hand, wrist, or arm in any way risks changing the angle at when your hand rests against the weapon, causing you to unplug or even snap the plugin device.

If the MS lets go of the weapon for any reason, or the weapon is knocked out of their hand? The plugin device cannot possible be loadbearing and support the weight of the weapon, so it will fall/get knocked away, tearing apart the plugin device in the process. Which means that the MS is now effectively firing blind, because it is impossible to get that targeting uplink again even if they recover their weapon or find a new one.

Your MS starts to fall over and you stop your fall with the hand? This also risks damaging the plugin device.

is it rainy or dusty out? Congrats! The plug is open-air exposed, get ready for dirt and corrosion making your connection shit.

And don't get me started on trying to use it underwater.

Putting targeting hardware on the gun to synch up with the MS is a good idea, but the interface they showed us is possibly the worst way to do it short of having a guy running back and forth between the gun and the cockpit carrying floppy disks.

>>14523146
there's some possibility because simple things like router do infected by malware shits.
but since in Gundam world where MS running all around & doing what they do the best, guess they have made those stuff robust & durable enough to prevent such problem.
or maybe it composed with basic stuff 101 (analog shits or something, you name it) which render those things useless.
since weapon was like USB stuff where you can attach or remove anytime, you could say they have sandbox stuff or something to prevent any trojan virus hop into MS operation system.

>>14523211
this, is why hardwired connection still kick ass compared to WiFi.
faggot nowadays, keep claimed that WiFi is the future HUUR speed DUUR better. guess their brain have fried by WiFi.
happens when dealing with fucking normies, day by day. sick of what they say about WiFi all the time.

>>14523292

> Mobile Suits have anti-virus installed

Come on, man. MS are not even password protected. Possession is 15 tenths of the law in Universal century, because the implicit assumption is that anyone who gets within 20 yards of a mobile suit cockpit now owns that machine, and it would be rude to do anything to prevent them from using it.

>>14523310
not saying it have anti-virus installed. but "robust & durable". be it super space programming, etc etc etc. you name it.

> anyone who gets within 10 yards of a gun now owns that weapon, and it would be rude to do anything to prevent them from using it.
given this changes of word, it could be something to ponder around. i mean in designs of MS weapons & stuffs.

>>14523291
Maybe, just maybe, anon, the plug isnt totally ridgid like you think

Also if youre aiming a gun with your wrist instead of the whole arm youre doing it wrong

>>14523193
>Federation OYW beam weapons functioned a lot like pistols/guns today; they charge it up and the amount of shots in the gun are all you get
You have no idea how guns work

>>14523383
You mean you don't plug guns into a USB charger to grow bullets?

>>14523198
imagine a mobile suit that only has to jiggle the gun around to assess the weight and heft while running the shape through a known library of weapons to find probable operations specs

we /m/ s /g/ now

>>14522361
Yes and no, minovsky particles, a byproduct of the doctor's fusion reactor, are used as the damage medium, running a beam weapon to fire it's packets of minovsky particles required sufficient power from the mobile weapon's main reactor, E-Caps and E-Pacs only store Minovsky particles, E-Pacs being an MS-replacable E-Cap module.

Beam sabers work the same way, using suit-power to create a saber made of Minovsky Particles, eventually they do have to recharge from whatever cradle they are typically carried on/in the mobile suit.

In SEED N-Jammers prevent fusion reactors from working properly so mobile suits run off a fission-based radio-thermal battery. Regardless of extra e-pacs they can only use their weapons until the main power source runs out, then it's all low-power kinetic kill platforms until the suit can RTB.

>>14523399
>not fucking a gun, making her pregnant, and having her bear ammo babies

>>14520416
Weird i missed that. I had always head canoned it as utilising the low power rf signal the normal suits use for local comms

>>14520591
I always liked this idea, with specific drivers needed to use the weapon at its best, (i.e. account for weight and recoil in different environments, access scope cam telemetry etc) But i always wanted them to mention an ad hoc, use it as is mode, where the gundam just points it and pulls a trigger using its own sensor suite

>>14523291
>nogunz detected

It's possible to move your arm and wrist all around without adjusting your grip on the firearm. If you fall (or dive into position) you use your supporting hand to catch yourself.

>>14523310
>He doesn't realize the real militaries of the world don't have locks and shit to stop people from stealing vehicles so that they can be used immediately in emergencies.

>>14523383
The "amount of shots in the gun are all you get" is what I meant, you autist.

It still has to be recharged like putting a fresh mag.

However you can't carry a stripper clip of fresh almost-collapsing excited Minovsky particles, and the e-pack doesn't come until the Zeta era.

>>14523592
>It still has to be recharged like putting a fresh mag.
you realize that's how e-pacs work, and not e-caps, right?

>However you can't carry a stripper clip of fresh almost-collapsing excited Minovsky particles, and the e-pack doesn't come until the Zeta era.
Then quit saying guns work like that, retard.

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>>14522012
To be fair, I'm not sure there would've been a means to pilot or supply it.

You have a bunch of pilots accustomed to Federation machines, spare parts and munitions for Federation machines, and bays built for Federation machines, and an enemy machine which, comparatively, is not only busted to hell but also markedly inferior. Why use it at all when what you've been doing, using, etc. not only already works, but could also just be worsened by the thing's presence?

>>14523601
zeek firmware was superior though, to the point that Dr. Ray wanted to shove some bits of a zaku's main computer into the Gundam's learning system

Fed machines only won by sheer attrition and the fact that Zeon suffered a lot of megalomanical stupidity at the hands of its ruling family

The meme of the gundam's testbed status being turned into a bunch of vundervaffen by Amuro's luck and talent as the first of several newtypes also helped

>>14520416
That's such a retarded design since it would be so prone to breakage and you would only be able to hold the implement at one specific angle.

The real life smart gun method of identification would be much more efficient.

>>14523737
But none of that has anything to do with the actual situation aboard the White Base at the time. And how can Tem Ray's opinion be relevant when he was delusional from oxygen deprivation?

>sheer attrition
This is partly but not entirely true in the MS department. While numbers were important and eternally in the EF's favor, GMs were also generally tougher, more powerful, and capable of offering that critical data crutch to new Federation pilots up until they were able to come into their own. Even Balls have a medley of good points to them.

>>14520501
Less stupid than a giant robot pulling a giant trigger on a giant gun with its giant hand.

>>14523762
yeah, the learning computer and white base being thrown into the most god-awful series of skirmishes did help the overall federation tech stream

Giant robots are dumb.
Bipedal giant robots are dumb.
Bipedal giant robots with fingers are really dumb.

>>14526844
Don't use /m/. You will be happier.

>>14521905

Simple ballistics without power requirements like the zaku machinegun and bullpup rifles can actually be used by anything.

The issue is that they have to be aimed and fired manually instead of with the aid of the weapons targeting camera and weapons drivers. Manual firing is supposed to be really difficult though and really inaccurate which is why nobody does it usually.

Early UC beam weapons however did require a plug which there were supposedly different types (Which is touched on in Unicorn) and iirc in later UC weapons tend to have their own battery and connection for the firing systems is done by simple contact of the palm to the grip.

>>14523198
This was in Unicorn as well. Remember when he tried to use the gattling and he had to download the software first to fire it? The engineer also mentioned its handplugs were compatable with both Zeon and EFF tech iirc.

>>14523743
>The real life smart gun method of identification would be much more efficient.
Shows how much you know about anything

>>14523291

Some form of connection made between hand and gun is smart, but a rigid plug is pretty lame I agree.

Maybe the future is in some sort of induction magnetic connections.

>>14523789
IMO having a gigantic serial port on emotion manipulators that'd get covered in all types of shit is way dumber than programming hands to move fingers