I don't understand this insult by Zeon Ace Norris Packard

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>>14490145
>Please refer to pic related.

>>14490145
>What the hell does that even mean?
Throughout the UC shows, zeon refers to earth-born peoples' souls as being weighed down by gravity- and this keeps them from developing.

>>14490169

That's ironic, considering "Spacenoids" live an unnatural and vulnerable existence.

Humans can't breathe in space, and human bodies are weakened by the absence of gravity.

Spacenoids can't escape vacuums.

>>14490184
exposure to cosmic radiation and lack of oxygen, kind of explains a lot about Zeon ideals doesn't it?

>>14490145

The idea that 'true' spacenoids have escaped the bounds of gravity on their souls is the colorful lie that Zeon tells itself to justify their superiority.

After all, if they were not objectively superior to the Federation in some way as people, then murdering all of those filthy feddie scum would just make them assholes!

It doesn't have to make sense. Its a security blanket to assure themselves that they are the chosen people.

>>14490145
His enemies are only experienced with ground fighting compared to land and space battle.

Fuck knows.

>>14490212

Well if you're dependent on artificial gravity and oxygen just to survive, you're living an inherently insecure life. This can easily result in hostility towards humans who live in a natural environment, with actual oxygen and gravity.

It's also ironic both sides fought in each other's respective environments. The Zeon launched a ground invasion of Earth, and the Federation attacked the Zeon in space.

>>14490145
Being a Spacenoid isn't just being born in space, it's an ideology

What the exact ideology is is never fully elaborated and is pretty inconsistent

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>>14490333

Its influence seemed to vary, depending on the individual Zeon soldier. Some of them seemed pretty level-headed, like Commander Topp.

My guess is the longer you were away from the influence of the Zeon higher-ups, the more no-nonsense you tended to get.

>>14490184
>Humans can't breathe in space

Speak for yourself, princess.

>>14490376

Can't, no air in space.

>>14490145
Their allegiance is bound to the Earth, as if trapped within its gravity, when Packard believes that as fellow spacenoids they should show solidarity with Zeon.

Earth is the only inhabited planet, and as such its inhabitants uniquely experience the effects of a real gravitational force, as opposed to the simulation of gravity that the colonies possess. Thus, gravity is associated with the Earth, and to be weighed down by it is to be suppressed or consumed by Earth and Earthnoid opinion.

Simply put, it's Zeeks being butthurt that not everyone agrees with their ideals, as if one's location of birth dictates their beliefs.

>>14490145
As mentioned, there's the whole notion built around the phrase 'souls weighed down by gravity'. That people on Earth are so stuck in its pull (in the past and the status quo that Earth embodies) that they can't comprehend the new age of space colonies and intrastellar living, and the need for people that live all their lives in space to be free of the Federation's old world policies. And that, more spiritually, they can't evolve to the next stage of humanity.

I think what Norris is more directly saying is that even though some Federation soldiers (in the vein of Amuro and Shiro) were born on colonies and -should- have thus understood, but that for whatever reason, be it family ties or Federal propaganda, they haven't broken away from the stagnant Earth and opted to fight against 'their own people'. Which makes them backwards neanderthals even though they were born in the colonial 'utopia'. A lack of open-mindedness that can apply even to their battle tactics.

>>14490417

That's Jovian lies.

>>14490443
Of course he says this while piloting a Gouf. A machine Zeon came up with in pursuit of a failing ground war that largely aped the Zaku and thus failed as hard as one, passed over by Doms. Talk about 'weighed down by gravity'.

>>14490306
They were chosen to get booted off the earth. I bet a lot of them were assholes even before they got to space.

>>14490443

And I would refute that argument by stating ideology is an illogical constraint against rational thought, preventing objective evaluation of facts.

One can easily argue that life in space is an evolutionary dead end, because human beings live on oxygen and need gravity to function properly.

Colonies are doomed to failure, because humans will never be free from want under such an existence. You'll always be needing artificial light, artificial heat, artificial air, artificial gravity, and scavenging endlessly in space for resources like a locust. So many needs, so much that can go wrong.

Human beings are ultimately designed for life on gravity-bound worlds.

>>14490145
They're not accounting for his Spider-Gouf's vertical mobility and thinking in two dimensions instead of three, even the ones who grew up in space and should know better.

>>14490468
Yeah but that's more an argument about the validity of mankind being in space to start with.

The point here is that, within the UC narrative, the Federation is famously stagnant. They didn't want the colonies to be independent, and they didn't have any interest in mobile suits until their 'big ship big guns' policy got its shit kicked in. When they finally did get MS they got good ones, but they kind hung around with them for a few decades sticking to the big armored model and got their shit kicked in again by Cosmo Babylonia. Then by the time of Victory they were all but defunct against Zanscare and League Militaire largely had to do their jobs for them. Over and over, they're shown to be incredibly slow to act, if not outright complicit with the people they're supposed to be fighting, necessitating subfactions to get a Gundam and get to work.

>>14490508

And the Zeon respond to the stagnant Federation by supporting Space Fascists.

>>14490212
I don't know why spacenoids would want their souls to go flying around space. You know what happens when your soul is separated from your body? You're soulless; you start thinking genocide is a good idea.

>>14490544

I doubt living in a space colony is conductive to one's mental health.

>>14490468
Talk about a soul weighed down by Earth's gravity...

>>14490561
>I doubt living in a city is conductive to one's mental health.
Is that where you are going with this? I kind of agree.

>>14491086

In the city you still get sunlight and warmth from the sun, and oxygen and gravity from the atmosphere.

Nothing about living in space is natural.

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>>14490145
If gravity is such a bad thing, why do you live in colonies which rely on centripetal force to simulate it?

>>14491134

Humans can talk about "escaping" gravity all they want. Living a Zero-G existence is another matter entirely.

>>14491143
We'd probably evolve into space-fish under those conditions. Just think of the crazy architecture we'd get making use of all three dimensions. A floating/suspended cube city in which homes and other things are on each side for instance.

>>14491221
Actually we'd probably turn into misshapen freaks as the skeletons within us contort from a lack of downward force.

So yeah, fuck skeletons.

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>>14491134
centripetal force good.
gravity bad.

>>14490145

Is he referring to the Core Booster he pulled down on to block that GMs shot ?

>>14491275
Yes. I think actually that he predicted that the GM below him was going to shoot him.

Imagine how silly he'd have looked if the GM hadn't shot.

>>14491143
If I recall right native Jovians are supposed to spend most of their lives in zero-g environments, so to them, Earthnoids are practically heavyworlders with strength and endurance many times their own.

>>14490184
Which is why the New Desides were right.

>>14491226
or maybe we would live longer or more comfortable without such a intense force on our bodies all the time, no more back problems no more bad knees

>>14490145
He's calling spacenoids that sided with the Federation Uncle Toms.

>>14491221
>>14491226
Maybe you could read All Tomorrows and see how living in zero-g environments would make us space gods.

>>14493831
Bet he wishes he had some giant canisters of nerve gas handy, ammirite?

>>14490184

This living in space, free from gravity, is what triggered the next phase of human revolution though. Which could've lead to a unprecedent understanding of each other and peaceful coexistence. But Earthnoids insisted on staying on Earth, and thus condemning mankind to eternal war.

>>14494438
Living in space doesn't do shit, the Zeon mantra of "souls held down by gravity" is just propaganda and something short & easy to remember for their followers to trot out in order to reinforce their mindset.

Like Magneto making up the meaningless term "Homo Superior"

>>14493598
http://www.space.com/23017-weightlessness.html

Human biology evolved to function under gravitational force. Even spending a relatively short time in zero gravity can have negative physical and mental health effects and long term exposure leaves you weak and brittle.

>>14494449
>implying Ian McKellen isn't a superior homo

>>14490323
>actual oxygen
Fucking retard.

>>14494449
>Homo Superior

Whener I see this I'm reminded of that one kid professor X sent wolverine to assassinate. His mutant power suddenly manifested as a killer virus that almost instantly killed off his whole town and left him alone to take care of himself.

>>14494438
>[...]Earthnoids insisted on staying on Earth, and thus condemning mankind to eternal war.
You mean the Wars that got started or got fanned up by Newtypes high on their Messianic Delusions and/or their closet supporters, right?

>>14494503
There's also the fact the X-Gene is just a science experiment of a bunch of giant robot space men.

>>14494471
hat or Earth borns and those ho develop under gravity.
People born in space might actually enjoy the benefits Anon was thinking about, but the trade off is their skeltals probably wouldn't be able to handle planetary gravitation. Unless of course they grew up under similar accelerations, which the artificial gravity of a rotating colony would be able to sustain.

>>14494520
>Grow up physically weak with misshapen and brittle bones, weakened proprioceptive system, hightened eye pressure, and those are just the main side effects.
>But good news! Your feet won't get sore from standing around.

>>14494564
You DO know spacenoids don't typically spend long periods of time in Zero G, right?

Besides, they probably have special medications or whatnot for people that primarily work in Zero G environments

>>14494593
He won't read.

Don't waste your time anymore on him

>>14494644
>>14494593
This discussion chain was about Zero gravity specifically. The worst living in a colony would do is probably give you some sort of distorted sense of direction due to haveing a landmass upside down above your head all the time. And the "Special medication" for most of the zero G effects both in modern day and in gundam are they have them sit in a section of the ship/station that simulates gravity for a couple hours.

>>14494664
The chain evolved.

>>14494671
What, that living in space triggered the evolution of humans and appearance of newtypes? One of the first newtypes we see in the franchise was born and raised on Earth, and after Zeon finally died they became increasingly rare the following decades despite the new contruction of the frontier colonies and more people moving to space. Newtypes have also proven that just being a newtype doesn't make you suddenly open minded and better. Some of the biggest egomaniacs and monsters in the franchise have been newtypes.

>>14494438
>This living in space, free from gravity, is what triggered the next phase of human revolution though.
Many Newtypes were born on or lived most of their life on Earth.

The idea that living in space automatically makes you a space wizard is silly and completely unfounded in the series itself.

>>14490145
"All Feddies are the same! Even though some of them were raised in the colonies like us Zeon, they're still *insert Feddie slur here*"

"All Blacks are the same! Even though some of them were raised to be law abiding citizens, they're still NIGGERS!"

And other variants.

>>14491221
So Gargantia?