Best variable fighter?

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No

Don't talk to me our my sons ever again.

>>14485108
Pic unrelated

>>14485108
That would be the Excalibur, lad

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>>14485108
>21

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>>14485108

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Siegy-chan is cute

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Lightning III
Ozma's Messiah
Durandal

In that order

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Draken III is my favorite, only barely beating out the VF-17 and 22. The Windemereans may be idiots, but they have great taste in mecha design

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Personal favourite of mine is the VF-17D with the super pack, the one that Gamlin flew near the end of 7.

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>>14487567
My niqqa

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Remember 14

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>>14487891
The fuck is this "small" shit? Here we go.

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>>14487891
>>14487907

Not quite my favorite Valk, but holy fuck is it ever underrated.
>First and only SR-71 based VF
>Majority are somehow flaccid about this
>No goddamn merch will ever be released for it

It boggles my mind that something like this could happen.

>>14487931
It shows up in that one 7 sidestory and some video games. It's also not very good looking in the video game colors.

There's also the VF-27 which is partially SR-27 based.

>>14485108
Define "best".

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>>14488265
Your favorite is the best! All VFs are best.

>>14488402
This is true; I can't think of a single one I dislike

>>14488402
Except the 25. The 25 is shit.

>>14485108
The Octos. I fucking loved it, it was the best VF to come out of Macross Zero.

>>14488472
That's not a variable fighter but yeah they were cool.

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>>14488165

I'm with this guy.

>>14488494
What, do you not count the VA-3 Invader as a variable fighter either? It meets all the requirements.

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>>14488507

I even dig the space versions with the stubby wings.

>>14488508
that's a variable attacker, it's probably shitty at (dog)fighting

you wouldn't call the A-10 a jet fighter, would you?

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it just looks so cool

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I really like the 2SS and its "funnel" style attack bits

>>14488507
>>14488510
Why does the VF-19 look so good with delta wings but the VF-31 look so shit?

>>14488511
Yes you would.

>>14488726
nigga it's an attacker, not a fighter

>>14488594
because the VF-19 has proper forward swept wings while the VF-31 has wishy-washy W wings.

>>14488594
I don't mind the Siegfried, but maybe its the proportions.

The 31's forward swept wing(Not proper forward swept wings) is more like say, the 19F/19S type, the stubby forward swept wing. The Siegfried's is longer and not as stubby, and it looks weird that way, perhaps?

The best looking 31 is the 31A anyway.

>>14485418

Bane?

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>>14488594
Nostalgia.

>>14488891
I always preferred the 19F to the other models, and delighted me to no end when Yamato released one. It's pretty easily my favorite variable fighter out there, but I love almost all of the grunt ones. Hopefully I'll have a VF-31A to add to my collection eventually.

>>14488510
>Yo buddy, still alive?

>>14488594
Because it's based on Kawamori's worst VF design.

>>14489137
It's based on YF-30 not YF-29

>>14489158
The 29 is the second worst.

>>14489137
That's not the VF-9.

>>14489172
I still don't understand the hate towards YF-30.
Yeah, that missile pod is a mess, but the plane itself looks just fine.

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>>14489189
The battroid is a goddamn disaster. It's almost as thick as it is tall.
>>14489187
The VF-9 is cute though

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>>14489200
>It's almost as thick as it is tall.
Wat

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>>14489208
Ok it's a bit an exaggeration but half the height is no joke.

>>14489208
>>14489213
It looks cool.

>>14489213
Yeah, that's the worst part of the 30. The 31 changes the way the cockpit block compresses to make it shorter and more balanced.

>>14485108
YF-31 a best. I love that design.

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>>14489234
>YF-31
it's VF-31. The relevant YF for it was YF-30

>>14489259

It's plane mode is fantastic. I like the missile pod jutting out too, though I'm not fond of how the wings look in Battroid mode.

>>14486958
EX Gears are so fucking cool.

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>>14489764

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I'm still feeling a bit Zentradei-ish. And they are still using their old obsolete Regults, which still put up a fight.

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>>14490609
Fuck, that would have been useful.

>>14490646
dats a cool looking space plane

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>>14488594

>>14490843
god did Kawamori reach the apex of VF color schemes with Isamu's?
It's like the Titans colors for Macross, that shit works on everything

>>14490882
Reminder that Isamu used a YF-19. It always looked kinda drab to me.

I always liked the Skull Squadron VF-1S and the VF-17 colours best. The new Sv-262Hs Draken III has one hell of a colour scheme as well; that's one you could put on anything.You try putting Isamu's colours on a VF-17 and it'd look way out of place. See Alto's custom VF-171 (>>14486125) in fighter mode. I can't even begin to express how wrong it looks

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Who VF-0D here?

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>>14490914
Zero really had some fantastic VF designs. The VF-0s and the SV-51 were great.

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>>14490914
I'm an 0S kinda guy but a 0D is good too. Really enjoyed the interpretations of the VFs in Zero. They seemed a bit more believable if that makes sense.

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>>14490911
What's wrong with Alto's?

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>>14490950
>Beautiful F-117 Nighthawk stealth jet design
>In bright white and red
No.

>>14490950
that delta wing design would lead to poor maneuverability, but excellent stability.

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>>14490976

>>14490976
>>14490983
BTFO

>>14490976
You speak as if normal stealth would even matter in the Macross universe, they can just mask themselves from all sensors and put up a coak to become literally invisible if they wanted

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>>14490950
Nothing, but the grunt version is so delicious it makes everything else look inferior.

>>14490990
>>14490983
That's not even an F-117, you twit

>>14490996
If you're gonna have a fighter based on a stealth jet, I want to see some stealth colours. That's all I'm saying.

>>14491017
Its not based on the stealth jet, the wings just fold that way when going fast

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>>14491017
There's always the superior OG version

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>>14491023
The 171 was based on the VF-17, which was based on the F-117, and is an absolutely beautiful craft besides

>>14491047
No, it's based on the Have Blue prototype, see >>14490983

>>14491057
>implying /m/ can be arsed to at least look at the orientation of the tail stabilizers to tell the difference

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>>14491062
Well it'd be kinda awkward and silly to have the stabilizers (Battroid mode legs) in the actual F-17 position, wouldn't it?

>>14490609

rip 31J

>>14491078
Of course it would be silly, because it wasn't based on the F-117

>>14488108
And it also has a different fucking design from the animation version

>>14491155
But it at least was in part, unless you have a source that proves otherwise. Just look at those intakes on the front. They mirror their position on the F-117 rather than that silly prototype plane.

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vf-19 advance

>>14491298
The only thing I don't really like about the VF-19 is how silly the wing looks on its legs, even more so with the super pack boosters

>>14491323
well it is a older design variable fighter that went through a upgrade everything to current specs

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>>14491323

The wing position in Battroid mode has it's uses.

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>>14491298

It's a way less silly mount point than the AeroFAST Packs used on the VF-19F & S.

>>14493072
And people say the VF-31 super battroid looks bad...

>>14493072
Really? Having those giant things getting in the way of the legs?

>>14493135
>getting in the way of the legs
You do realise that the wings are connected to the legs, right?
If the upper part of the leg moves forward, the wing(and the booster) moves forward as well.
And since its beside the legs, it doesn't actually affect the movement of the leg below the knee joint.

>>14493067
where's this from? look awsome

>>14495293

It's from the intro to VF-X2 on the PS1.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PHpu-Vbxh4

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I think she's cute

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The only correct answer

>>14496779
It's variable now, but it's definitely not a fighter.

>>14485108
That paint job is awful. Should've kept with the classic black and yellow motif

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>>14496833
I like Arad's scheme the best out of the 31's. It's a Lancia Stratos homage.

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>>14496833
That's been done to death already. I didn't like this paint job either but it's grown on me.

Brera's VF-27 vs Keith's Draken III, who will win?

>>14488894
Aye.

>>14490950
>>14491002
The VF-171EX Super Nightmare was sexier than anything else in Frontier. Sadly there was no kit of it.

>>14498196
I wish they had used the 17 super parts instead, they were much cooler.

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>implying Japanese bootleg English Electric Lightning isn't best Variable Fighter

>>14498117
Draken III

>>14485108
NO

>>14498117
Probably Brera. Even the monstrous YF-29 was outmatched by him and until we get technical specifications for the Draken I'm inclined to place it on a somewhat lower tier.

>>14498894
I actually liked the Mac F super parts more. But hey, to each their own.

>>14499211
Alto's YF-29 was a rush job that involved converting his VF-25 though, we don't actually know what the YF-29 with full original parts would be like when compared with the VF-27.

>there are people that unironically enjoy the garbage that came after the original series

>>14500181
>People have opinions on things that you don't.

Shocker

>>14490914
Me. It just looks right and more modern than variable geometry variant. More streamlined and actually viable without ridiculous amount of thrust.

>>14500000
We know the specs for Alto's though and they are significantly above the 27's.

>>14498196
>Sadly there was no kit of it.
Hopefully, Bandai will release a kit of the Delta version with the excuse that Hayate piloted it once. Yeah, right.

>>14500241
They did make a kit of it but in fighter mode only.

>>14500198
The funny thing is the VF-0s have less powerful engines than the F119s in an F-22 even thought they're supposedly fancy supertuned engines.

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>>14501565
Well, the machines made to test VF tech were pretty much F-14s.

If you think of it as them focusing on VF tech like the thermonuclear engines and stopping/slowing down jet engine development, it makes sense, kind of.

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>>14501851

>>14501565

The F-117 and F-22 don't exist in the Macross universe. In fact any military weapon and vehicle made after Macross' debut doesn't exist.

>>14501851
Wait a minute. If GEARwalk mode was a fluke during testing why is last of Tomcats here purposely build as a testbed for it?

>>14502109
>If GEARwalk mode was a fluke during testing

it wasn't a fluke, are you talking about the development of the toy or the history of macross?

>>14501882
There was a F-117 flying during the Unification Wars in Zero.

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Even though it has no guns, the Super Ostrich is pretty awesome.

>>14502109
I think that was a retcon.

>>14502109
Not sure.

What does it say there? Something about the VF-X's development?

>>14502109
it was a fluke of the toy design that they based the franchise around.

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I like these guys

>>14501882
I thought the universe diverged only when the Macross itself landed, those two planes existed long before then.

>>14502912
when the Macross franchise was first created the F-22 and F-117 didn't exist in real life. One of the things that Macross Zero does is retcon the timeline so that everything up to 1999 is the same as in real life.

>>14504106
does that even count as a retcon? I mean sure it didn't envision them existing because how could they, but they also didn't portray that period either, so they weren't missing either. Maybe I'm just overreacting to the word 'retcon' as something bad and mincing words here.

>>14502460
is this a persona game?

>>14504148
Maybe retcon isn't the right word....More just fillng in blanks in the timeline?

>>14504157
Persona 2 anon, http://megamitensei.wikia.com/wiki/Fuhrer

>>14504106
>F-117 didn't exist in 1982
hmmm

>>14504434
Well technically it did exist it wasn't made operational until 83 and wasn't revealed to the public until 88.

Watching 7 now, I really like the VF-17's Battroid mode. Shame I don't feel the same about the plane mode. What is Mylene's VF based on anyway?

>>14505865
It's a VF-11 but with a delta wing.

http://www.macross2.net/m3/macross7/vf-11maxlcustom.htm

>>14505877
And tits.

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>>14505881
Stereo titties.

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>>14505865

That concealed gunpod is easily the coolest feature any VF has ever had and it's a shame that it will likely never be re-created faithfully on the toys because of the major proportion shift the 17 makes in the anime.

>>14505895
The VF-17 is so bullshit with it's fucked up proportions. It's legs house a gunpod, landing gear, engines AND has room for internal missiles.

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>>14505950
>AND has room for internal missiles.

Wat. I've never once seen a VF-17 fire missiles from its legs without a super pack on. The 19 is the one with a missile layout in its legs, I know that for certain.

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>>14505975
Supposedly it has a missile bay in the legs for reaction weapons or high maneuver missiles.

>>14505975
>>14506025
http://www.macross2.net/m3/macross7/vf-17d-nightmare.htm

According to the specs, The VF-17D only has two micromissile launchers in the shoulders which are dorsally mounted in fighter mode, so the webm in >>14505975 is accurate. However in supplemental lineart, we can see that there are large payload bays in the leg nacelles. No, it's not for the landing gear which have separate internal compartments in the legs, compare the two below.

http://www.macross2.net/m3/macross7/vf-17d-nightmare/vf-17d-lineart.gif
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>>14505890

The best kind

>>14506110
It'll be fun if Lady M is Mylene and she still flies that even in her 30s.

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>>14506080

Weeeeird. That's one more function that seems to have been forgotten all about within the design/animation staff. The elbow guns will always bother me the most since they're still proudly on display each time it switches to Gerwalk.

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>>14506154

You're right; we don't really see gerwalk mode being used by anyone very often in M7, handful of times when they're in the city itself; and I can't recall a single time when the VF-17 is depicted in that stance. More often, the arms are just flipped downward.

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>>14506154
>>14506172
I seem to recall seeing Gamlin using that stance once in M7 against Grabil. But he didn't fire the elbow guns. Have this clip of the VF-17 gunpod reloading.

>>14506172
>I can't recall a single time when the VF-17 is depicted in that stance
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAc9X-F_j9U
It was used like that here.

>>14490646
mmm...

The Variable Glaug's a purty one.

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>>14502164
B-Brother?

>>14505950
The missile launchers are in the shoulders.

>>14490914

Best VF

>>14490914
The 0D just hits all the right spots for me.

>tfw if you play the PSP games chronologically, the VF-0D is the first VF you get

>>14506935

Yes, and it can have extra missiles in its two leg weapon bays.

>>14507037
I would guess that those are the same bays that normally house the gunpod and beam attachment.

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I love how slender the SV-51 looks.

>>14491002
>actually liking the vf 171
who hurt you

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Messiah is the cutest.

>>14502294
the gerwalk style (chicken legs) were actually before the robot mode.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/olliebarder/2015/12/10/shoji-kawamori-the-creator-hollywood-copies-but-never-credits/#5d3d06531683


>“I was originally working on a series called Genocidas and it was meant to be a hard science fiction show in which unique non-human mecha would appear. So Miyatake and I were competing on who could design it first and make the best mecha. So I thought extensively for over a year but I did not get new ideas easily. For a break, I went on skiing holiday to take my mind off it.”

>“I noticed that when I was skiing that I had to bend my knees, which gave me the idea about the mecha bending its knees and make it unique. So I thought I could maybe use that to make something interesting. Initially, I thought that doing it like a human would just make the mecha crouch, so I made the knees backwards to make reverse joint look more bird-like.”

>“This was the birth of GERWALK.”

>“After the skiing trip I showed what I had come up with to Miyatake and he said he had done something too. His approach was also about reverse joint, same as mine, however his design was four legged and was quite complex for animation. As mine was simpler and easier to animate, in terms of the internal competition I like to think my design was the one that won.”

>“So I proposed the GERWALK to our client but because it wasn’t human shaped I was told it would not sell and it didn’t pass the approval stage. In those days, toy companies had a very strong say in how series like this were made. So we thought about coming up with a new idea, as the project wasn’t going anywhere and make the story easier to understand. So overnight we thought up the story for Macross.”

>>14489259
What was the YF-30 based on? PAK-FA?

>>14509784
no.
the PAK-FA isn't a delta wing aircraft for one, nor does it have canards or inwardly angled horizontal control surfaces.

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>>14509857
*vertical stabilizer
fugg

>>14509784
The YF-30 is not base on any particular plane. It's a redesign upgrade of their VF-25 platform, So they work in the current popular stuff like delta wings, canards, and Stealth. Along with new transformation and armament.
It was originally for the videogame.
They then tweak the yf-30 platform a bit and there's your current 31

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>>14509894

>>14509866

Ever since DCS Mirage 2000C was release, it's the only module I fly, such a goddamned beautiful plane.

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No fire Valkyrie?
(I'm also here to remind you of when Gepelnich got a face full of giant speaker pod.)

>>14509915
aha i've been wondering what the grunts were piloting. this makes more sense when they said the 31 was an update on the YF-30 Chronos.

>>14487012
>Lightning III
Correct opinion

>>14509894
Why does everyone keep saying it was based on the VF-25? Other than similar legs and feet they have virtually nothing in common.

>>14511325
Dat battroid though, horizontal cockpits just don't work.

>>14511819
It works fine on the VF-31. The problem is the VF-4's giant shoulders and umbrella wings don't look good.

>>14487931
It's also sad that the VF-14 doesn't show up in any of the newer video games.

Hell you could even play as a fucking F-14 before you would be able to use the VF-14.

>>14510683
The Fire Valkyrie is a VF-19. you know, and those have been all over this thread

>>14512813
It bothers me to no end, you can even fly the adorable VF-9 but no 14.

>>14487931

VFs (fully or partly) based on the SR-71:
VF-4
VF-14
VA-14
VF-27

>>14513170
Why the 27? Doesn't look anything like a blackbird other than the inward canted vertical stabilizers. The 4 is pretty marginal too.

I really like the YF-29 except in Battloid configuration.

The nacelles on the arms ruins an otherwise great design.

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posting best vf

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>>14513347
>The nacelles on the arms ruins an otherwise great design.
Where?

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>>14513372
Why was Alto's paint job so terrible in fighter mode?

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>>14488515
It really does.

>>14513403
Why was it even painted those colors? Ozma was going to be the pilot as implied by that scene where he's showing it to Alto, but because he was MIA on Frontier Alto took it instead.

>>14513372
I guess I just got a bad angle when I looked. I even went to google to make sure I was remembering correct.

>>14502460
>>14504197

Tell me the Personer doofuses made proper concept art for those

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>>14513403
Ozma best colors

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>>14513535
Nah, Skull Leader has best colors.

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>>14513605

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>Variable

Well, it can open it's mouth

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>>14514231

Gerwalk or GTFO, scrub!

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>>14487931
I guess you could say it went undetected