>mecha anime is now all about weightless ninja moves and

Isn't that what most super robot shows are?

It was always like that. Big O is an exception. I like weighty mechs too but don't pretend like things used to be any better.

>now
Before it was the same except everything was blocky as fuck. The only difference is that now the dodgy mechs actually look the part.

Actually, direction with slow, lumbering momentous movement seemed most common in the late 90s/early 2000s

Giant Robo, for example, probably had much more of a sense of weight in the OVA than it did in the toku. GaoGaiGar and Dai Guard as well seemed to hit harder than most of what had come before. And strangely, the Macross ships in Frontier, of all things, had that kind of force to them.

Though on the other end of the scale, you also have stuff like VOTOMS ATs, which also have an appropriate sense of weight, which is not much as all given how tiny they are.

>>14458326
Mazinger Z had beam attacks

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>>14458326

You have not seen Pacific Rim.

>>14458326
That's literally not true.

>>14460098
>anime

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>>14458326
Break Blade was good

>>14458326
Break blade mechs have some weight to them. That said Big O was an exception among exceptoins. The second season in particular was backed by American money.

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Dai Guard was a wonderful thuddy clomper

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I like the weight on Kuromukuros geoframes.

>>14458326
>punches and motions with actual weight behind them
There's a reason WHY Big O failed in Japan. It looked like crap.

>>14458326
But I want realistic mecha, not your sllllooooowwwwwwmmmmmmoooooooo-iiiiiiiiisssssssss-cccccccooooooooolllllllllll shit.

There is no logical or physical reason why they should move slow.
Quite the contrary, even being simply as nimble as you are, the massive height would make them ridiculously fast compared to your body.


And before you ape out, square cube law is a thing that works. Nowhere does it say that big things are slow because that is pure fantasy.
Learn the theory, don't throw it around like a magical formula.

>>14460623
>There is no logical or physical reason why they should move slow.
Newton's first and second laws at work along with the principle of inertia. The bigger they are, the more force required to move them and the more resistance they'll have to a change in velocity. So yes, they'd be slow for the same reason a semi truck accelerates more slowly than a motorcycle. However, there is one unrealistic part of this: they'd also take forever to stop moving and they never actually do.

>I want realistic mecha
fuck off back to >>>/k/ then.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Se2DsyuiF_M but not all megadeus were slow tho

>>14460623
>I'm a retard please make fun of my incompetent ass.

>>14460539
Did it, though? I believe, it was about japanese traditionally having no taste whatsoever. The same thing with them ignoring great series like bebop, tylor or trigun, while moeshit like evangelion or nadesico is all appreciated.

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WEIGHT thread?

>>14460699
Tylor was incredibly Japanese. It flopped because the story is super cliche, and the original Light Novels are really shit. Half the girls in the anime don't do anything in the LNs, only Yuriko gets any development which is why she wins. She was the only girl in the running.

Bebop and Trigun weren't ignored. Trigun had decent popularity, it just wasn't a breakout hit like Evangelion because it's fundamentally unappealing. It's a Western, which is a dead genre. It's a mix of comedy and seriousness with some half-well-done philosophy, which means there's a lot of tonal dissonance. And the manga ended up having too much cut content so that it ended up being pretty confusing towards the end.

Bebop is a cult classic but it was never going to get big numbers in Japan. The style is all wrong, and the concept is stupid.

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>>14460786
IBO kinda tried but poorly executed and animated.

>>14460699
>eva
>moeshit

Please refer to >>14460733
Eva works well as a mecha show, even without the girls or psychological stuff.

>>14460699
>Tylor
>great

>Nadesico
>appreciated

Stop posting you dumb nigger.

>>14460816
Note how much of that is just shakycam.

>>14458326
Realistic doesn't make money.

>>14458326
Tetsujin

>>14460699
>WAHHH WAHHH JAPANESE TASTE IS SHIT BECAUSE THEY DON'T LIKE THE SHOWS I LIKE WAHHHH
>WAHH WAAAHHH WHAT DO YOU MEAN THAT IF A SHOW FAILS IN ITS INTENDED MARKET THAT IT'S LIKELY HOT GARBAGE?!?! WAHHHH

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>>14460699
>Not liking Nadesico

How fucking pleb do you have to be?
Just leave. Go.

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>>14460803
>The style is all wrong, and the concept is stupid

This is entirely subjective

>>14458326
>/m/ will respond to this shitposting without saging

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>>14458326
THE TIME HAS COME AND SO HAVE I

>>14460539
Crap, no. Too western? Maybe.

I love it. Art deco designs are unique and cool looking and the fights are heavy, personal and brutal.

What OP gets wrong is this was never the norm.

>>14460768
holy shit source?

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>>14465856
>He gets to watch Iczer-1 for the first time

You're such a lucky guy anon~

Be sure to check out the sequels too!

>>14458326

Best scene in whole show.
https://youtu.be/O3dk1qXYMZ4?t=7m21s

Great show, great dub.

>>14460623
>thisisbait.gif

It's been years since I watched it but don't the escaflowne guymelefs tend to have a lot of weight behind them?

>>14458573
On the flipside, modern Reideen showed how this can backfire, since that had rather slow mecha fights.

>>14461239
So any jap like series is better than other mecha series because of popularity?
Nice argument fagtron.

>>14466101
The opening kind of implies that, but I don't recall them being like that in the actual show

Though I wouldn't be surprised if they did. I think the reason we don't get this more often is budget restrictions. Animating something moving more slowly takes more frames. But Escaflowne had one of the highest anime budgets ever. It could afford it.

>>14466651
>>14466101
They seriously do, but it's not always consistent.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwaOO-xNYnc

Starts at 1:20 for all the movement, 2:00 is the actual battle.

Or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfjn6BTe8T4

Starts at 1:12.

>>14466651
>>14466101
Haven't watched the movie in a while, but I rewatched the show recently and I found the combat generally had good weight. The Zaibach units were a bit floatier at times, particularly the two jet-powered cat sister units, but the Escaflowne, Scheherazade, and other 'melefs plopped around with a nice heft to them.

As for the budget, I believe a significant part of that was the soundtrack. Didn't they get an actual Gregorian orchestra for the main chant/song?

I just watched Big O for the first time in ages and just realized I have no paraphernalia to celebrate the show. Are there any plamo or any action figures for that matter that aren't ridiculously expensive?

>>14470913
No, everything was limited edition. Pay out the ass; as long as it's not above $250, it's worth it.

>>14470918
That stinks. I remember looking a couple years ago and seeing a full on action figure of Big O for less than 90 bucks for Americans. I saw an issue of Toyfare waaaay back in like 2007 and they showed an American Big O figure that I really liked. I guess something like that wouldn't be cheap forever though. I'll keep searching regardless Thanks for your response.

>>14470971
Just use Amazon. I went to Amazon and was shocked that I could buy Macross models, even Chogokins, which were out of stock on Amiami. And the price was only $20-$40 more than the original Jap price for some sellers; more reliable ones were like twice the price though. But shipping was WAY cheaper.

>>14470980
I'll try that. I might be wrong, but I remember an American toy manufacturer making a Big O action figures. I want one that isn't garbage but doesn't cost 400 bucks, ya know? I know that might be a taldl order now, but we'll see. I'll check Amazon to see what they come up with. Thanks again, /m/.

>>14458326
Blame the lack of talent in the modern industry and the lack of demand for such talent.

>>14470913
There is the shitty plamo Bandai put out, an action figure in a clamshell with a card back (probably the one you are talking about), and the Roger and Dorothy figmas.

The money pits are the Max Gokin figure, the Soul of Chogokin figure and the P-Bandai expansion set, and the vinyl figures.

I was lucky enough to snag a SoC and Max Gokin figure for well below the current market price a few years ago.

>>14471004
While it is obvious that a lot of the industry does not understand how to properly incorporate physics into the movement of mechs, I would say that animation budgets are the bigger restriction.

As someone said a bit earlier in the thread, it take more frames to properly animate slower movements which would result in higher cost for both 3D and 2D work.

Even little girls suffer from the budget (see Episode 1 of Nanoha vs the rest of the series).

>>14471044
Animation is an issue, but weight is another one. "Official" mech weight statistics are nonsense. Without weight as a relative component to scale, you're never going to get a good sense of the heft and momentum an object should carry at a given speed. CCA, as an example, has really great choreography but the suits literally prance across the screen in the Nu vs. Sazabi showdown; not the worst thing, since they're in space, but it's still weird to see giant metal constructs move so effortlessly.

>>14471044
>Episode 1 of Nanoha
This one was literally "overkill : animation for the sake of animation with no storytelling purpose whatsoever".

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>>14470810

The movie does too

>>14471060
MJP and Orange in general are the biggest offenders as far as weight is concerned.

>>14470810
>As for the budget
TV anime per episode budget historically:

1962 - 2.1 million yen - Astro Boy
1963 - 1.2 million yen - Gigantor
1965 - 2.3 million yen - Super Jetter
1982 - 5.5 million yen - Macross
1987 - 10 million yen - Legend of Galactic Heroes
1994 - 16.6 million yen - Dirty Pair Flash
1994 - 30.9 million yen - Mega Man
1995 - 6.25 million yen - Evangelion
1996 - 30 million yen - Escaflowne
1998 - 20 million yen - Cowboy Bebop
2000 - 10 million yen - One Piece
2000 - 9 million yen - Zoids
2001 - 5.5 million yen - Sister Princess
2002 - 13 million yen - Gunslinger Girl
2002 - 25 million yen - Gundam SEED
2002 - 30 million yen - Ghost in the Shell
2003 - 18 million yen - Kaleido Star
2003 - 30 million yen - Astro Boy
2004 - 33 million yen - Gundam SEED Destiny
2004 - 32 million yen - SAMURAI 7
2005 - 23 million yen - Eureka Seven
2007 - 10 million yen - Bokurano
2007 - 10 million yen - Bamboo Blade
2007 - 20 million yen - TTGL
2007 - 15 million yen - Darker Than Black
2007 - 25 million yen - Sekei no Moribito
2007 - 32 million yen - Denno Coil
2007 - 17 million yen - Gundam 00
2008 - 22 million yen - Gundam 00 S2
2011 - 12 million yen - Index
2014 - 20 million yen - Shirobako

Who knows? Bebop looked better than Escaflowne with better animation and had Yoko Kanno doing the OST as well. Also looking at this list makes it obvious that budget management is much more relevant than budget itself (I expected Astro 2003 to be much bigger, SEED Destiny is a fucking joke).

>>14471080
That animation is creepy and pretty disgusting.

>>14471086
>Mega Man
The funny thing about that one is that suffered from poor QC as well.

>>14471086
>Cowboy Bebop had 10m less than Escaflowne
>every episode looks like a goddamn movie
Fucking Sunrise.

>>14471093

It's slowed down from how it actually looks in the movie

>>14471314
>poor QC
????

>>14473248
Poor quality control. In other words, there was shit animation fairly often, so it didn't always look as nice as the opening.

>>14473357
Oh yeah, 100% of the time

I feel like I missed out on Big O. I didn't watch it back in the day because I didn't like my mechas to have actual humanlike faces, but now I wish I had checked it out a bit more. Is there anywhere I can watch it?

>>14458326
Nigga one of the reasons Big O stood out was because even for its time was one of the few mecha anime that had actual weight to its movement.

>>14471086
>LoGH
>TV anime

>>14473426
>Is there anywhere I can watch it?
Try baka.bt, I think they have the OZC release.
The English dub is great and there are no subs for the second season anyway IIRC.

>>14473662
Cool, thanks

>>14460699
cowboy bebop is mediocre fluff elevated by big budget wank music and art

That's why Asuka vs. those goofy bird eva unit things in EoE is one of my favorite action scenes, the sense of gravity and weight, the tangible crunch whenever one of them gets crushed. Even the TV show was okay at capturing the scale of the action (those little touches where someone drops a prog knife and it chops a plane in two)

>>14473426
It's pretty great overall but prepare yourself for one of the most disappointing non-endings ever.

>>14472898
Why is it slowed down?

>>14473943
It was boring shit, dropped 20 eps in.

>>14473662
>and there are no subs for the second season anyway IIRC.

Yes there are. It's Cyborg 009 that didn't get the second season subbed.

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>>14473959
It's a different technique of animation altogether, hence why it looks so good.
The momentum is a part of it but even with all the momentum of the world, that scene would have been much worse with the standard animation technique.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cvx7p6-lABw&index=7&list=PLuPNSyztkHPqV-M4ePSmN_2BLhONu0WLg

>>14473976
You literally didn't get the story

I bet you thought the same about Giant Robo huh?