>yfw when you live long enough to witness the rise of Brittania.

niggar the timeline has already diverged, it's not going that way

>>14395244
Eh, not happening. They might be able to exit, but they're still reliant on US-made weapons and equipment.

All those years of budget cutting and just renting out the Tridents instead of building their own equivalent has really left them as America's mercy. Heck, they can't even get their newest CV working right and redesigned their second one to run on fossil fuels instead.

>>14395244
>northern Ireland rejoins the rest of the emerald island
>scotland calling for another referendum
ENGLAND PREVAILS

but seriously though I'm genuinely scared right now

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>>14395244
God bless the queen desu

On another note, the reaction has simply been amazing.

Wasn't Britannia in America?

They get to leave? Good for Britain.

>>14395406
Orange-kun = Trump?

>>14395418

No I mean, I'm pretty sure it was literally situated in the Americas.

God save the queen.

Wonder how those "hurrr immigrants arw to blame for all our problems" leave chucklefucks are going to react to the Chinese buying the whole fucking country in response to the pound becoming equivalent to the zimbabwe dollar.

>>14395390
Holy shit, the butthurt.

>>14395390
>I can't believe the Government would leave this kind of decision to the general public

People can't be this fucking retarded.

>>14395390
Delicious.

Imagine the reaction if Trump wins in November.

>>14395427
yeah watch out the british economy is about to fail just like when the chinese economy plummeted last year and never recovered
oh wait you likely don't even remember that not happening as the globalists predicted

>>14395446
If you believe in constantly expanding the power of the state, you must also believe in constantly restricting the power of the individual.

>>14395427
just like how the chinese own america

oh wait, that's not how it works

C U C K E D
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>>14395425
it was actually, if I remember correctly the lost the war with napoleon and was forced to move to America before gaining back ground during the series

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>>14395244
>Brits thinking they'll every be a super power again

Can't wait to see Northern Ireland and Scotland split.

>>14395512
I'm talking about this with some friends of mine, why do Scotland and Ireland want to stay in the EU? From what he told me, England wanted out because of stuff like self-determination and local rule. But self-determination was why Scotland and Ireland would want to be independent, so then why would they want to stay in the larger body of the EU?

>>14395527
They don't have any industry. If they go to the EU they piggyback off the money of the Germans, just like the Eastern European members.

>>14395527
The Scots are antagonistic to the English.
Like the Scots and the Irish.
Or the Scots and the Japanese.
Or Scots and other Scots.

>>14395561
Damn Scots, they ruined Scotland.

>>14395558
Ooh, I see. That makes sense.

>>14395561
Haha.

>>14395558
the bulk of the UK's oil is in scotland, it's a declining market now but it'll hold, and there are talks of the tech industry moving up north when england finalises the split, it's not much to go on but it's what they're banking on

>>14395569
Who do they sell to? All I know is that Russia supplies a lot of the EU's oil and my japanese made in america car runs on sand oil

>tfw you realise scotland holds UK's nuclear stockpile

I don't feel very safe anymore

>>14395244
Anon, they are entering economical crisis. It's has nothing related to the rise.

>>14395527
because they're a bunch of dumb fucking micks and jocks.

>>14395587
World War III will not come because of the Russians, or the Chinese, or ISIS. It'll come because a Scot gets in a drunken argument with an Irishman and hits the button.

>>14395558
>They don't have any industry
Edinburgh is one of the biggest industrial centers in Europe, you idiot.

>>14395603
shhhhh let the english think they have a chance in this

>>14395587
>implying Scots have the balls to use nukes

>>14395558
Hm, I'm pretty sure that most of their industry is in Scotland.

>>14395611
>implyign they hab enuff bains not two

>>14395527
I'm not too familiar with the situation, but is the power the UK has over Scotland comparable to that of the EU over UK, or any member state?

>>14395611
Nothing some liquid courage and a lot of shouting won't overcome.

>>14395425
Britain had kept its colonies in that timeline, including the America, and eventually spread out and took even more territory, including Japan.

>>14395446
>People can't be this fucking retarded.
Prepare to be disappointed.

>>14395474
I agree with you, but I don't think that was the proper response to Anon's post.

>>14395684
Can't remember but wasn't it also driven out from its homeland by the frenchies and forced to setup its capital in America?

>>14395273
They belonged to the EU until today. Now they belong to US.

>>14395446
>one guy saying he's going to move to Africa.

EU was created out of the idea that nations would cooperate and never again Europeans would start invasion wars against each other
But it failed, like all these huge absurd unions are doomed to fail

>>14395806
>Ugh, why isn't there a Starbucks around here? I need the WiFi so I can post an Instie pic of the malaria matching my shoes.

>>14395390
So now these people complain about democracy, but when Austria had its irrelevant president election that was almost 50:50 it was celebrated as the victory of democracy against evil far-right Nazis(which FPÖ is not but anyway). Yeah it can feel disappointing when half of nation wants something and the other half something else but you just have to deal with it and life goes on.

>>14395806

Well he did say he was moving back I guess.

>>14395807

The US is going to fail too then I guess?

>>14395813

A good chunk of Africa has free WiFi to help boost economic and educational activity. If he goes someplace relatively well off like South Africa he probably won't notice much real difference.

>>14395830
>comparing the EU to the USA
Are you serious

>>14395837

He was the one said all big unions are destined to fail. All includes the US.

>>14395830
You can't compare Europe and USA. Europe is continent of nations that are a result of their own culture, history and language. USA was an idea.

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>>14395842

>>14395817
this referendum was something that had to happen and regardless of the outcome democracy won, it's what happens after that matters, will the new government be more democratic? or less? sure the market regulations will be relaxed but what about the social aspect?

I have no real say in the referendum and frankly that goes the same for anyone who isn't a UK citizen but I can say democracy is an on going process regardless of opinion, as long as the people has a say and can act on it, so democracy wins, this time.

>>14395841
No, I believe he said a union of completely different nations would fail.

The USA is a union of states that all share roughly the same culture, and all speak a single language.

>>14395847

Then you believe wrong. At most he said absurd unions would fail and you can argue the US isn't absurd so it doesn't count, but he didnt qualify his statement to include only ones made out of nations. He complained about the EU's make up alright, but didn't day that was why it would fail.

>>14395847
>The USA is a union of states
it is now, this idea didn't really take hold in the public concience until after the civil war, prior to that each state considered itself largely it's own country

you're right about culture and language though, an economic bond isn't enough to hold people together, it needs more common ground for a union to maintain itself

>>14395849
>EU was created out of the idea that nations would cooperate and never again Europeans would start invasion wars against each other
>But it failed, like all these huge absurd unions are doomed to fail

>>14395847
Yeah I was thinking more about Soviet Union or Third Reich than America. People from Europe moved to America on their own because they wanted new start, and back then this kind of thing was possible. Wouldn't work anymore.

>>14395857

> implying I didn't state this in the post you replied to
> implying that says only ones made out of nations will fail

I haven't really followed all of this. Were the EU's policies actually that bad for the UK? They always had more privileges compared to other members, like keeping the pound.

And I wonder what's going to happen to Gibraltar. Re-instating their borders after so many years sounds like a nightmare for those people who live in Spain and work in Gibraltar or the other way around.

>>14395847
>and all speak a single language
There actually isn't official language in USA, while English is still dominating there's already 12% Spanish speaking people

>>14395865
yeah nah fuck off with this meme
the USA will always be an english majority nation.

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I think everyone should don their spandex suits and Gundam-fight it out

>>14395861

> Were the EU's policies actually that bad for the UK

Not really, it's just people in England having a distrust of Europe in general and thinking Europe is holding them back and that immigrants only exist because they're part of the EU. Leaving the EU probably won't do much for most of the problems they're complaining about

>>14395861
The most /m/ needs to be aware of is that your plastic robots from Japan are now more expensive

/m/ I'm curious as to what you think about whether Britbong should leave.
http://www.strawpoll.me/10573698

>>14395879

I have no idea who Britbong is since I pay no attention to names.

>>14395865
>>14395867
>isn't official language in USA
he's right, but it's the most common and widely used, just like how Australia doesn't have an official language so not being "official" makes no difference.

>>14395882
Britain

>>14395879
can scots stay? we voted to stay in but the english fucks voted to leave

>>14395869
Sounds more like a knee-jerk reaction to the economic crisis rather than a true problem then.

>>14395897

That's definitely the feeling I get on it myself, yea. I'm not massively informed on it though either, so I could be wrong.

Still, it'll be interesting to see what UKIP, Nigel Farage, Michael Gove and so on do now, what the fallout, positive or negative from all this is and so on.

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>>14395917
old fucks ruining it for everyone, again

>>14395920

Clearly the answer is for someone to fall in to a Gundam.

Though what I'm most looking forward to now is seeing what Scotland and Northern Ireland do following the results, since each voted a majority stay and has leaders talking about having a referendum to leave the UK because of it.

Well, its all the result of democracy whether you like it or not.
There's nothing much the leaders can do about it except trying to make the best out of it.

Even if it tears the nation apart, its democracy at its finest.

>>14395929
money wise the europeans are prepared to move their money invested in the UK to scotland if they decide break off and join the EU, not quite sure wha would happened to northern ireland if the rejoin the rest of the emerald island

>>14395920
The other problem is that, if old people in the UK are like old people in America, they'll blame foreigners for taking away their jobs and want to go back to the "good old days." I heard an article on NPR talking about how people were blaming EU regulations or whatnot running them out of their jobs, which sounds to me a lot like how our auto workers keep blaming the Big Three in Detroit for all their problems.

Millennials are still one of the worse generations to ever come out, but at least the younger people understand the importance and power of globalization.

>>14395934
This seems to be the reaction from most people that voted to leave outside of /pol/ atleast. Why aren't they celebrating? This is the what they wanted.
There's been a lot of backtracking this morning

Scotxit when?
Irexit when?
Walexit when?

>>14395938
>they'll blame foreigners for taking away their jobs and want to go back to the "good old days."
that's exactly what happened, the leave campaign focused a lot on the strain the refugees will cause to the UK economy ands social services as well as the restrictive EU economic regulations. when the real problem, I believe, is incompetent government, who then blames someone else for the problems they caused.

keep in mind this referendum is not binding and the parliament CAN ignore it, though it'd be very unwise for them to go against the result

>>14395940
>Walexit when?
Wales voted Leave, you tart.

Scotland soon though.

>>14395938
Everyone's jobs will be outsourced to China or robots anyway

>>14395939
>Why aren't they celebrating?
they are, some of them, others that voted leave had gone on record saying they don't know why (either they really don't or they're not willing to say the real reason)


>>14395940
>Scotxit when?
>Irexit when?
looks like soon

>Walexit when?
wales voted to leave, along with the english

>>14395949
China will be outsourced to robots too, eventually.

All humans will be outsourced to robots.

And the Earth will become a better place.

The robot revolution will be greeted with open arms by generations too bitter, too lazy, too old, too young, and too stupid to run a world more connected and complex than their monkey brains could ever handle.

I for one welcome our coming mechanical overlords.

>>14395938
That's because foreigners did take away their jobs.

>>14395952
THIS. Enjoy your remaining years meatbags

>>14395952
I just hope the robot world will be like in J-Decker rather than Wall-E

>>14395938
>the importance and power of globalization.
I'm all for globalization, but not the flavor that's been pushed by the powers that be since, oh shit, around the Nixon era.
It's irresponsible, really. Otoh, I don't agree with the brand of protectionism that seems to be the only alternative that can gain any traction. There's a balance out there. What the EU was offering was not that. For instance, Germany was supposed to have helped the other countries following the big crash in '08, but they ended up robbing those less robust nations and laundering a ton of money through the EU. There isn't any accountability in a system like that. That's not healthy globalism. If they had actually done what they were supposed to do, the EU should've been able to collectively tank the financial hit, but they just passed it off to their "lesser" nations. That's wrong.

>>14395952
>>14395957
Sounds extremely utopian.
I'm immediately put off.

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>>14395957
I'm sure the rich and powerful will take good care of us now unemployed proles

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Post /m/ birtbongs

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>>14395961
People had similar utopian ideas of this era, just look at Back to the Future

Well instead flying cars and hoverboards we get Mac'n'Cheetos

>>14395980
The true freedom fries

>>14395427
>"hurrr immigrants arw to blame for all our problems"
Do Brits seriously think that? Even though they just elected that mayor?

>>14395987
>all brits are londonistani
wew no

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Thanks a lot, britcucks. Now we'll never form the AEU and have based Patrick Colasaur pilot our mechs.

>>14395587
>I don't feel very safe anymore
Nuclear power shouldn't make you feel any safer. On the other hand, it makes you a perfect target for a first strike, especially if you use silos.

>>14395980
On the other hand, we have any and all kinds of porn at our fingertips.

>>14395987

UKIP basically ran on that idea and a lot of older people appear to believe it. Trump is running on a similar idea, blaming everything bad about America on Mexicans and occasionally Arabs or whatever.

>>14395998
he''s not blaming mexicans

he's blaming illegal immigrants

>>14395993

Plus instantaneous global communication, access to almost all knowledge, longer and healthier lives, almost 0% mortality for the young and lots of other nice stuff people throughout history have dreamed of.

>>14395869
>immigrants only exist because they're part of the EU
That is the best part of the campaign. Seriously, I can't believe people failed for THIS of all things. Immigration is an issue in Italy and Greece where, you know, immigrants land.
Having to patrol your own borders will make things only harder.

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>>14395991
We still have 300 years to repent.

>>14396002
But immigrants(I assume you're now talking of those who come by boat and through illegal human smuggling) won't stay in Greece, there's a reason they want to go to Germany, Sweden etc. and why there's so many people in Calais jungle waiting to get to Britain. That's why Greece don't bother doing anything about the situation either. Australia made very clear message that you can't stay in Australia and the boat deaths ended after that.

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>>14395978
Half jap don't count.

>>14396000
>illegal
The keyword that everyone ignores.

>>14395992
So is Putin still go to invade Latvia and Estonia, trigger NATO and kick off WW3?

>>14396014

It's funny, because Australia's greatest growth occurred during the period where they opened their borders and had no immigration checks for all intents. They became a bigger, better nation with more people, more culture and cultural diversity, more global significance (though I know that's not saying much), a better economy and so on. A lot of Australians wouldn't even exist if not for it. Asians are the second ethnicity in Australia, with a Chinese surname as the second most popular if I recall.

Voting out won't stop immigration though, it'll just mean it's more illegal. Which isn't saying much, since it's always been illegal.

>>14396019
yes, people who say's he's a racist bigot and literally hitler need a fucking reality check.

>>14396014
>(I assume you're now talking of those who come by boat and through illegal human smuggling)
Yes, I was, why? Aren't Brits talking about those? Or do they mean immigrants = Regular EU people who want to move to UK?
Because that would be very dumb and a great way to shot your tech and science industry in the foot.

>That's why Greece don't bother doing anything about the situation either.
They don't bother because they don't get the proper help to face the situation. You won't solve the issue by splitting the EU in 20 different states and everyone patrolling their own borders, because Greece will still do nothing and maybe France and Germany will start shipping immigrant to the north.
The whole immigration thing just appeal to nationalist and right wing because defending your own borders makes a better slogan than helping southern states with the real issue.

And if immigration was a real problem Britain wouldn't have a democratically elected Muslim mayor.

>>14396023
>They became a bigger, better nation with more people, more culture and cultural diversity,
Yeak okay Zhang, thats enough.

>>14395244
>Britannia doesn't include the Islands of Britain
I always thought that was silly

>>14396031

Not Asian, just aware of history. Nice strawman though.

>>14396030
>And if immigration was a real problem Britain wouldn't have a democratically elected Muslim mayor.
>All of Britain isn London

>>14396039
>>All of Britain isn London
>London is irrelevant to Britain
Okay, dude. I'm sure Rome, Paris and Berlin are all irrelevant too.

>>14396035
Because britain was conquered by Napoleon in geass-verse as I recall.

It's kind of like how the government of Taiwan is the nationalistic "Republic of China" government, that lost against the communists and fled there.

>>14396030
>Regular EU people who want to move to UK?
Yes there's also the Poles and the Romanian gypsies who are a problem everywhere in Europe

>>14396041
Well they sure were, considering Britain just voted itself out of the EU.
You can bet your ass most Londoners were Remainers, considering how its the banking center of Europe.

>>14396023
both sides pick and choose their stories, with immigrants you get the stories where they contribute as well as ones where they become a burden they're both true just as it is with "local" residents, the difference is it's easier to blame immigrants because they're not "you", there's a significant number of illegal white english and americans in australia and they're often overlooked because they're relatable

>>14396046
London was ~70% Remain.

I don't understand why that anon seems to want to put so much stock into London.

>>14396041
It's not about being irrelevant, it's just that the big capital cities in Europe and their citizens are very different from others. "Londoner" might as well be its own nationality.

What will happen to UK scientist who work on project in EU i.e., CERN?

>>14396046
Exception being the outer suburbs which were slightly in favour of Leave.

Thread theme
https://youtu.be/mRIAw6LkqlE

>>14396061
Most likely nothing. There are two years before they'll even leave.

>>14396060

You're also more likely to know foreign nationals in a more cosmopolitan area like a capital city. Especially contributing ones. And so like them because of a closer relationship with them.

>>14396078

There's two years to enact Article 50 before the UK can just drop all treaties and ship and just leave on their own. They could be left in a few weeks or months - 2 years is just the time limit.

>>14396046
Not anymore lol

>>14396082
financial institutions are already thinking of moving to Edinburgh

>>14396078
>>14396081
But UK will have to renegotiate funds and manpower to those projects. And EU could impose restriction to movements of UK citizens in EU, right?
I don't see this ending well for their tech communities since most of UK IT services are for EU.

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>>14395390
>Probably should have voted
>that one written in Arabic

>>14396061
Very little probably. CERN itself has a number of non-EU participants in it already, and the problems with Visa applications is going to very minimal to highly educated and highly skilled scientists who are already working with groups like CERN and the European Space Agency. Whilst it may become more difficult in the future, it probably won't be noticeably because we still have some of the more highly regarded educational institutions anyway.


The real problems will come from funding specific projects, but only if the UK decides not to send any funding towards scientific projects, which is pretty unlikely since we benefit from it highly.

>>14395390
If it makes these people feel any better most migrants in UK are Pakis and this doesn't affect that at all, and mostly it affects evil white people migrating there.

>>14395879
>strawpoll doesn't rank results by number of votes anymore
Slightly annoying.

So what practical effect will this have? I assume the price of cheap labor will go up (which is a good thing). Will imports/exports be majorly effected? Does Britiain even export anything on a large scale?

Financially Britains EU contribution seems pretty miniscule, but I know other shit could be seriously effected.

Now Brits will feel so the pain of Russians when import prices will skyrocket due to fucked up currency exchange rates.
At least you had a choice to prevent it.

>>14395273
Since when? We use our own weapons, our own tanks. In fact, we share more with the EU equipment than US.

>>14396125
No-one knows. They've known that a referendum was likely for at least 5 years, and apparently no-one bothered to look into it or do any research whatsoever it seems.

Which is why both remainers and leavers argued on such petty information like bendy bananas and the EU limiting the power of Vacuum cleaners.

>>14396125
>So what practical effect will this have?
people who make money off of money will need to pay attention to hustle their way for a while
Joe Schmo will still have to go to work tomorrow, and he'll still buy groceries.

Britain handled its own shit for a few weeks before the EU came around. It can do it again.

The reason fags are really flipping out is because UR RACISIMS is no longer working and now they're doing that "villain spams his attack because it didn't work" thing

>>14396001
yeah but the only actually enjoyable part is the porn

>>14396167
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UGM-133_Trident_II

>>14395817
>(which FPÖ is not but anyway)
Literally founded by not convicted Nazis with the declared aim of winning the vote back for people who were convicted because they had some minor role in war crimes.
Currently led by a Burschenschafter who was part of what's the equivalent of an US Nazi prepper community.

Totes no Nazis there.

And that election was a shite. They presented suck awful candidates that folks figured one was a good as the other at the ballot.

>>14396175
>and now they're doing that "villain spams his attack because it didn't work" thing
And as we know after that comes UNDERSTANDING

>>14396206
SOREDEMO

>>14396175
Arent most UK muslims Pakis(a non-EU country) anyways? If anything its a fuck you to cheap Polish workers

>>14396175
It's a big deal for my country that does a lot of trade with the UK. I'll never understand why there are countries that don't understand money is the most important thing in the universe.

Although I suppose new trading agreements will be hammered out in time. It's just such waste of effort and time.

>>14396191

No, I'm pretty sure a lot of people enjoy the instant global communication and access to all knowledge. They might use it for mostly minor things, but they still use and enjoy it, even if you want to say something like lack of infant mortality isn't "enjoyed" in the fun sense.

>>14395244
>>yfw when you live long enough to witness the rise of Brittania.

They've yet to set up the capital of Pendragon in North America and it doesn't seem likely to change anytime soon considering that there's an actual other nation on the continent.

Pendragon also gets hit with da bomb so I'm not sure you'd want to parallel the fall of a national empire.

Likelier case is that they eventually become an "associate", to put it nicely, of a future American-led socio-military supernational organization and become their eyes and jumpad into Europe.

Just like in Gundam SEED.

>>14396235

> Likelier case is that they eventually become an "associate", to put it nicely, of a future American-led socio-military supernational organization and become their eyes and jumpad into Europe.

Isn't that already the case? They have a good start on it at least.

>>14396235
As long as the end result is giant robots and we can ALL HAIL OPPAI, I'm fine.

>>14395244
This is honestly great for non EU allies and trading partners of GB.

>>14396200
Let's not forget that the FPO presidental candiated is pro-Anschluss and Anti-Austria.
They put somebody forward who actually honestly feels that the nation needs to be destroyed to attain some level of germanic unity again. They did voice their wish to re-occupy Southern Tyrole during the election as well.

>>14396259

Which is why America and China and so on were urging the UK to stay in.

>>14396259
The only ones who honestly sound happy about the UK bailing, aside from racist old English fucks, were the Russians, because the weaker the EU is the more bullshit they can get away with.

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>>14396273
>racist old English fucks
that trick doesn't work anymore
that's why Leave won

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>>14396244

Just need a little push to start the whole BLUE AND PURE WORLD ball rolling. Especially since /m/ took notice after UK researchers got permission to fiddle with non-viable human embryos as well. Hey, gene-playing started in Gundam SEED as a booster for basic genetic health too, and the Extended lab in GSD was when the Minerva was flying around Western Europe as well.

Unless they U-turn within the next three centuries, so we'll end up with >>14395991.

>>14396280
Yeah have fun with your economy spiraling downwards now that you can't blame the darkies for all your troubles anymore.

>>14396273
Things like the EU are just inefficient bloat.

>>14396273
I think you're confusing the EU with NATO

>>14396301
Forgot all about EU's sanctions over them fucking with the Ukraine, have we?

>>14396268
They don't care either way but the act of segregation itself fucks with the global economy so they'll now have to put up with bullshit instead of growing for a while.

The actuaal effect is, of course, net positive to them as the GBP plummeting makes dollar all that more powerful.

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Godspeed lads. We've been warning folks for years that the EU would never be truly acting in your interest.

They probably would have stayed if Merkel didn't invite millions of people to Europe year ago
She basically destroyed EU, along with Juncker

>>14396316
>>14396268
With GB out, there's noboy stopping the rest of the EU from blocking chinese steel imports.

With GB out of the picture, we won't have to put up with Brits talking about how Saddam is totes going to destroy London with his ICBMs.

I'm personally not happy about this, a friend and his british GF are both working in London after all. For all they know, there might be a timer on how long he's able to stay now and that property they bought is going to become a lot less troublesome to manage as well.

Honestly, the only good thing is that the UKIP will be cut off from EU fundings within our lifetime.

>as EU's power wanes so will their political and economical strength leaving a void in the theatre only for Russia to fill it

RUSSIA STRONK

>>14396335
Russia might look strong, but it's actually weak inside
Terrible economy, can only attack as the last result

Viva la democracy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5o8QPaA62kc

>>14396325
They'd come all the same, unless we really start sinking every single boat and shooting everyone without a passport wherever they were caught. It was a decision between getting them in legally and having them registered vs having them hang out as an unaccounted for roving mass.

Of course, she german'd hard before the cam and gave zero fucks about how the international audience would understand her, so the fallout was to be expected.

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>>14396338
What she did was the worst because first she goes yes yes welcome, but when she realized that it only harms her popularity instead the opposite she basically said it was just a prank, you actually need to leave. And as a result we got more people from Middle East and Africa who are bitter at West and its people because of lies like this. Last summer she was worshiped like some kind of lord and savior among the migrants now they hate her and associate all the European citizens with her as well.

>Britain fights alone
>without India
>without Canada
>Australia is telling them that it'll drown them in the ocean if they dare to approach
>everybody's going to use them to make a quick dime

The free play of the market is beautiful

>>14396280
Hey now, if they keep calling everyone bigots, and ignoring the actual arguments they might be able get Hillary into the whitehouse! Surely it'll work this time!

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>>14395843
>philosophy

yeah this will totally ruin britain guys that's why france already wants to dip too

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>>14396352

>>14395861
>Were the EU's policies actually that bad for the UK?
Absolutely ruined the UK's fishing industry.

>>14396346
Best thing that came out of the mess is that I learned that groping women is in fact not a crime in Germany.

I figured you shouldn't do it as part of regular courtesy, but the Germans apparently don't feel that way.

>>14396362
I loved that stunt where Leave had actual working fishers on their ugly work boats and then Remain was on some rich fuck boat looking smug until they got hosed by the fishers.
Summed the whole thing up for me.

>>14395379
so the fall of united kingdom

>>14396354
France wants out because the French military has proven that immigrants and the EU power structure is damaging the safety of France.

Italy wants out because they're literally stuck in an eternal stagnation where they can't fix anything and nothing is allowed to fail.

>>14396379
to be fair most of italy's stagnation has little to do with EU and more to do with its deep rooted, high level corruption

>>14396354
France doesn't want to quit.

>>14396386
It's just Italian/southern European trait, Mussolini tried to fix it but in the end it didn't work for them. They are too hot-blooded unlike less corrupt north Europeans.

>>14396392
the general feeling has been that the eurosceptic far right parties across europe has been gaining ground and with England leaving (I say England because Northern Ireland and Scotland wanted to stay) this gives them more fuel.

>>14395952
>implying robots aren't deeply flawed as humans are

>>14395980
that looks like a carnival

No one has told me why this is a good idea without using the word cuck.

>>14396362
you mean overfishing

>>14396379
>Italy wants out because they're literally stuck in an eternal stagnation where they can't fix anything and nothing is allowed to fail.

Italian here, let me fix this mess before it gets out of hands.
Morons here want to leave because they believe the bullshit told by demagogue pseudopoliticians who tell them to trust their gut feelings and completely illogical and factually wrong opinions, which are of course taken as facts, same way why people like Farange got space in GB, the vast majority of the electorate is 40-60 years old ignorant bumfucks with no common sense who believe in everything the TV shows them, who coincidentially is the same exact majority of voters who wanted to leave for Brexit, old ignorant bumpkins.
This>>14396386 is the actual reason as to why we are stagnating, and believe me, it isn't any different in any other place in Europe, most of the problems are due to internal, national corruption and ineptitude, the EU hardly does significant damage, 80% of the times what doesn't work in a country now didn't work before for the same exact reasons, if anything Italy got a lot of benefits thanks to EU funds and campaigns.
>>14396394
You don't have any idea of what you're talking about, Berlusconi is from the north and he's the emblem of italian corruption, go fap to your DVCE poster somewhere else, faggot.

>>14395446
To be perfectly honest 99.9% of voters are completely incapable of making an informed choice.

>>14396421
> I'm young so I know everything
The post.

You're just like the Bernie fags that think they understand every little thing about the world, then they try to get closed primaries shut down because they can't bully voters into voting for their candidate.

Meanwhile y'all think we're all going to vote for Trump even though the Republicans are literally falling apart and no one is donating to the Republican war chest.

We're going to get Hillary who's policies most closely resemble HW Bush which is fine and both the left and right will bitch.

>it's a /pol/ thread on /m/
fuck this website should just named itself /pol/itics

Remaincucks BTFO

>>14396432

/pol/ has completely taken over 4chan. Its kind of sad really.

>>14396429
I wouldn't agree with him about 40-60 year olds being ignorant fucks but he's right about the reason the italian economy being stagnant is largely because of internal corruption though, it's pork barrel spending left and right

>>14396429
>both the left and right will bitch.
That's a foregone conclusion for all the candidates.

>>14396432
I want both the shitlibs and the /pol/tards to go. Unless Nigel Farage and David Cameron start fighting over London in mobile suits, I don't fucking care.

>>14396445
but with UK shattering how will we get a giant robot lions?

>new G Gundam
>neo scotland
>neo ireland
>neo wales
>neo england

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>>14395920
TOMINO WAS RIGHT

THE ABSOLUTE MADMAN

>>14396429
>I'm young
Let me ask you one thing, how did you reach this conclusion? Are you upset that the official data of this referendum show that most of the people who wanted to leave are in that range?
Or are you upset because that same age range is the exact demographic of the people who voted Trump in America?
>Meanwhile y'all think we're all going to vote for Trump
Is there a difference?

One is a rich conman who's in it to put money directly in his pockets, the other is a consumate liar who's also part of a rich and influential family who's in it to put money indirectly in her pockets through Wall Street favours, both are the same kind of monsters created by their respective parties.

And trust me, I might be young, but I've lived through more than 20 years of Berlusconi's government, which is our very own Trump, the single fact that Trump got so much following is already a huge symptom of the state of your country, it was the very same here, and just like Italy you're now given the choice of a "leftist" candidate who's exactly the same monster but with a different flavour, history repeats itself once more but as always you americans claim to be special and different, this time though, I sincerely hope for you this will be the case and you'll at least vote for Clinton at this point.

>>14395803
How long until Britain is annexed by America?

>>14396416
More freedom in making and changing laws that would have gone against EU stances, specifically involving the environment. Stronger boarders and more control over who you let into your country.

The big negatives are of course in tourism and trade. More trade with African, Asian and South American nations could help soften the second, but tourism is going to take a big hit.

>>14395564
Not a true Scotsmen left in Scotland.

>>14395960
>For instance, Germany was supposed to have helped the other countries following the big crash in '08, but they ended up robbing those less robust nations and laundering a ton of money through the EU.
I totally agree with you, but honestly, that wouldn't have been all that awful if it were used as a basis to introduce stricter capital controls and undo the neo-liberal policies that allowed banks to gamble with all the cash they held. I mean, we effectively bought large parts of the biggest banks in Europe with taxpayer's money after they demonstrated that they were unable to lend in ways that would not crush their business and tank the EU economy.

But it's not like the City wouldn't have told its puppets in London to cockblock the everyloving shit outta that, amirite?

>>14395847
>The USA is a union of states that all share roughly the same culture, and all speak a single language.

and that's changing, thanks to my fellow Mexibros

>>14396480
some financial groups have decided to bolt as of today, they're preparing their staff to move to germany, france and Ireland, but no doubt they'll soon be replaced by chinese investors

>>14396494
YH2GB

>>14396087
Morgan Stanleys already moving staff to frankfurt

>>14396000
>he's blaming illegal immigrants

Anglos back to England, I say.

>>14395987
London might as well be a different country.

>>14396023
>more culture and cultural diversity

Yeah bro, I love going into other countries and acting like I never left my own

Who needs a single national culture anyway?

The return of King Arthur.

>>14396512
>gringos mad they're becoming a minority in their own country

ayyy

is there a historical precedence for this? people becoming a minority in their own country? either way, it's funny

the best part? you LET us in. think about that

>>14396548
America.

>>14396548
Australia when white folks
America when white folks come in
England when...well, you know...

>>14396421
>>14396379
From what I remember, the last uptick in economic activity happened when they could both devaluate their currency and a good chunk of the population found work in semi-legal export-oriented manufacturing that didn't bother to pay taxes.

Nation's so fucked that you gotta go illegal to get anything done. Like the EU provided them with a fund to fix their railway system and they could never be arsed to use more than a fraction of those billions.

Politics are even worse though. During the 90s, they had an actual high-level right-wing conspiracy that had successfully infiltrated all levels of gouvernment ready to overthrow the nation. Afterwards they were governed by a TV personality with mafia connections for a decade or so and right now the Five Stars movement is winning. The Five Stars movement is apparently controlled by a guidance group which meets and makes decisions in secret, so they're basically back to where they were during the 90s, only that the conspiracy is pretty open about their desire to overthrow the nation.

>>14396273
lmao fuck off cunt
RULE BRITANNIA

>>14396429
He's apparently Italian, Anon. You probably aren't even sharing a continent with him.

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>>14396480
>being able to enter a downwards spiral in terms of worker's rights and enviromental protection against the likes of China is A GOOD IDEA

Make the Midlands Black again.

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>>14396350
>>Australia is telling them that it'll drown them in the ocean if they dare to approach

>>14396379
>Italy wants out because they're literally stuck in an eternal stagnation where they can't fix anything and nothing is allowed to fail.
God forbid we get Salvini or M5S to decide to get out of the EU. It will be the end.

>>14396584
The working class people who're out of work in England do get a lot of shit in Australia whenever they try to steal an Australian's job. They also don't offer the Englis any preferential treatment according to what I've heard.

>>14396429
>Meanwhile y'all think we're all going to vote for Trump
... but you are going to!

>>14396548
Israel.

>>14396432
Previous /pol/ thread here had some good discussions though
https://cuckchan.org/m/thread/14366084/#q14388099

>>14396596
To be fair, Australians also tell the same thing to Africans. They even pass out fliers.

>YOU WILL NOT MAKE AUSTRALIA YOUR HOME!

When Australia says
>Fuck off, we're full.
they stand by it.

>>14396350
>implying the commonwealth won't sail out for the queen

>>14396592
>God forbid we get Salvini or M5S to decide to get out of the EU. It will be the end.

Honestly, it looks dreadly possible.
They're the only ones who want to get out and both of them will destroy Italy more than any thing Renzi and his cronies can possibly cook up.
It fucking sucks, there's really no way to not lose the game in here.

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The EU will fall, and it will be glorious

>>14396548
>is there a historical precedence for this?
Yes. Many times in history. It usually results in the fall of empires, and in some cases ethnic cleansing.

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>>14396615
Based Straya

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>>14396635
US confirmed for the next Rome/Yugoslavia

>>14396596
People from England don't have very good reputation anywhere. Bad drunks, aggressive behavior when drunk, etc.

>>14396615
This is because people were drowning when human traffickers make up stories about these countries to make some money. It might feel harsh but it's also a responsible thing to do. In Italy they go pick them up and in Denmark there's some "humanitarians" who try to smuggle people in because they feel bad for them which is just enabling that behavior.

>>14396421
>the vast majority of the electorate is 40-60 years old ignorant bumfucks with no common sense who believe in everything the TV shows them
>believe in everything the TV shows them

If they listened to the mainstream media they'd still be in the EU you fucking dolt. The cognitive dissonance is astonishing with your imbeciles

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As a Swede, I hope the EU is at the brink of collapse by the time we have our next election in 2018. Our nationalist party peaked at 20% this year, which isn't enough to un-cuck us.

Do your best, Britain.

>>14395244
GOD SAVE THE QUEEN.

EAT A DICK, MERKEL.

>>14396650
>If they listened to the mainstream media
you say mainstream media when it's opposite of your spectrum when both sides have mainstream media outlets which is where they compete for viewership and how they try to alter the public's opinion

>>14396661
Sweden's problems wouldn't be fixed though(housing bubble, lack of teachers, growing cultural crash)

>>14396665
I think when people say mainstream media in Britain they mean BBC since it's tax payed

>>14396650
I knew a guy who claimed the same thing about Trump even though everyone from CNN to FOX was shilling against him. These idiots parrot what they hear on facebook and buzzfeed.

>>14396665
>Both sides
The UK does not have a two-party government rule like the US. I don't live in the UK, nor do I watch BBC, but I'm sure that the mainstream was all pushing for Remain. It's just that some of them were doing it from a Labour angle, others were doing it from a Tory angle, and so on.

UKIP does not have much presence in the mainstream media because they were considered fringe for quite awhile. That may change now, however. This is roughly the equivalent of the Green Party making it big in America.

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>>14396669
>growing cultural crash

Which is entirely self-wrought.

Europe is entirely to blame for thinking they can add diversity into a continent comprised of ethnic nation states.

It's not like the US.

>>14396480
So they destroyed their economy because of immigration?

>>14396680
Immigration is just one of a number of factors. Britain was one of the stronger EU economies, and you can bet that a lot of its money was forced into the underperforming ones at various points, such as the whole Greek austerity bullcrap. Britain won't have to bail out other countries anymore.

>>14396646
Italy didn't give two fucks during the Berlusconi years. They made rescuing Africans from drowning a crime even.

>>14396685
But they just lost like 2.5 billion

>>14396650
>If they listened to the mainstream media they'd still be in the EU you fucking dolt.

Top kek. Try reading some other nation's papers. Anti-Eu sentiments are about as high in GB media as Anti-US sentiments are in German media.

>>14396000
Actually he's blaming a trade deficit, job shortages, outsourcing and illegal immigration

There's a neat outline of his plan on the net that no one reads because they're too busy watching The Young Turks 'inform' them. I don't think he's racist or sexist at all.

Why is this a big deal? The EU was just an economic alliance with some ballsless governing council no member state listened to. Why are people acting UK is over our going to take over the world or whatever?

The greatest flaw of the democratic process is that no matter what you do, you can't prevent stupid, ignorant and/or maliciously-minded people from voting.

>>14396697
Memes. In reality U.K is fucked.

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>>14395244
It's not happening. It is what this anon said >>14395273 plus picture related.

>>14396700
I'd still rather take that option. At least I can think it was something we deserved rather than something we were forced into.

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>>14396697
>The EU was just an economic alliance
That's what it was originally sold as, yes.

>>14396680
Yes, brown people are a threat to all Western nations.

>>14396702
>picture related
>Not "Lawrence of Allau snakbar wannabe"/"perfidious albion playing big game again" dot jpg

cheeky wanker.

>>14396665
No I don't. I say mainstream media referring to mainstream media. As in the big giant news stations and papers that people actually read and watch. They are very prominent and visible, there's no guesswork or ambiguity here.

>>14396700
Yep.

The only thing the leaders can do is to just make the best out of whatever the people voted.

And if UK goes down from this, it'll be the prime example of democracy's flaws.

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>>14396708
I'm guaranteed this guy is just hired to make EU look the worst possible option

>>14396689
Most likely because foreign investors started pulling out. Which is fine; that money was probably all tied up in multinational corporations based in Britain which may not be as profitable because trade may not be free in the future. It's unlikely that much of that money would ever have gone to the average working class Brit anyway.

Britain is going to undergo a time of turmoil and instability, as what most massive government shifts occur. What happens after that is entirely dependent on what kind of parliament appears in the wake of this decision. UKIP is going to try their hardest to make it work while Labour is going to attempt to crash everything with no survivors just so they can look good politically. Britain now needs to support growth of British businesses over multinationals. If it does, it'll come back stronger than ever.

>>14396716
Then what about all the jobs going away? Face it the economy is fucked with no benefits. And brown people are still going to remain.

>>14396708
>That's what it was originally sold as, yes.

It was sold as: "We can get France and Germany to not fuck each other and the whole rest of us over again by giving them control over each other's coal and steel." From there it snowballed as it turned out that they actually wanted to liberalize trade as well, to the point where they had to say that they need some sort of political body to deal with all that trade policy stuff, because that came with a whole rattail of other issues that needed to be harmonized as well.

>>14396716
>It's unlikely that much of that money would ever have gone to the average working class Brit anyway.
Funny, because apparently the average working class is not the getting the EU money too
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cA3XTYfzd1I

>>14396728
>And brown people are still going to remain.
Commonwealth citizens are going to replace the Poles, probably alongside illegals from the current ongoing crisis.

Means more brownies for Britain.

>>14396736
Oops.

>>14396695
Outsourcing is a matter of economic efficiency, if you force every American company to go domestic eventually you'll see a spike in cost of living as the consumer is expected to pick up the added cost.

Unfortunately, we live in a world where foreign workers will settle for low wages with no one else willing to compete to see who will take it up the ass longest for the smallest paycheck.

Well, actually the bigger problem is we live in a world where people are so self-entitled that they'll turn down employment because "it doesn't pay enough" even as they still live in their parents' home. That really pisses me off, as someone who has been unemployed since getting their degree. I can almost begin to understand what it's like to be a black kid in the ghetto, opportunity supposedly all around you but never actually within your grasp.

>>14396733
>Funny, because apparently the average working class is not the getting the EU money too

Reminder that up to a third of farmer's income came directly from Brussel. But then again, the farmland falling fallow and forests taking it back again is both good for the climate and an investement into the future.

>>14396728
Once again, fucking support British businesses.

The more they expand, the more jobs they create, no matter how big or small they are to start with. Of course, you're probably going to need some tariffs like the ones Trump is proposing to keep bigger corporations from outsourcing to third world slave labour countries, but with those in place, you'll create many more British jobs.

>inb4 you use the prices will rise argument

They will, but two things: they'll go back down regardless by continued British investment creating more competition and lowered demand, and isn't it preferable to invest in products that are ethically made by companies that don't treat their employees like dirt? I'd gladly pay a bit extra to ensure my money isn't going to Chinese scumbags.

>And brown people are still going to remain

The important thing is making sure Britain doesn't take in anymore and ensure that are already present are working and contributing to Britain instead of draining resources and committing crimes. Allow immigration all you

>>14396440
No /pol/, just politics in general. No one here is yelling about national socialism or slaying niggers or anything

But politics, religion, and money are the 'three things' that start arguments. Since we don't know eachother money is fine, but politics and religion?

Guaranteed to start arguments anywhere on any site. They should stay on boards designed for their discussion.

>>14396752
Economical Isolation doesn't work when your currency is dead.

>>14396757
Well then you better get that Bank of England under control if not getting rid of it entirely, eh?

>>14396760
Well good luck is all I say.

>>14396752
>and ensure that are already present are working and contributing to Britain

You wouldn't even have to vote for that to happen. This whole thing was BS from start to finish.

>>14396728
nothing wrong with migrants as long as they properly integrate. If you live in britain your nationalism should be for britain, not making a little pakistan in the middle of town

>>14396752
This could be a huge boon for local businesses without the corps crowding them out. Like you said, it depends on how they handle it.

Regardless this brexit is a hugely complex complicated issue, with people setting up strawmen on both sides. There are things like EU overturning decisions parliament made, EU appointments that UK had no say in, regulations, etc. This is a massive shake up in a millennia old nation, and people going >hur hur it's just a bunch of racists
are just as ignorant as those they condemn.

While immigration is a huge part of the debate, it's stupid to try to make something as complex as this, with so many working parts into a black vs white issue. Especially since each side thinks they are the good ones, and the other guy is the evil one. (That said, Globalists do tend to act like bond villains, which doesn't help their case much)

>>14396712
Face it the time of Lawrence is gone. The Saudi Royal Family is far richer than the the British Royal Family. That and they actually rule their nation instead of relying on democracy.

>>14396752
>I'd gladly pay a bit extra to ensure my money isn't going to Chinese scumbags.
Sadly most people aren't and they keep buying cheap shit they don't even need. But people think something like this can be magically changed when they vote for some kind of savior, it won't.

>>14396763
I think all we need to do in this instance is look at Japan. Its currency is, of course, much weaker than Britain's, but they enjoy a very high standard of living that only grows year by year. And they're perhaps the most isolationist of all developed nations.

Of course, they have the whole "overworked salaryman" culture thing that's keeping them from actually enjoying life, but that doesn't seem to have much to do with politics. I feel for them, but then again, they bring it on themselves.

>>14396770
>migrants in the 21st Century
>ever integrating

>>14396779
Their country is literally dying due to no one having kids. Not exactly a system to emulate, I would think.

Also their political system is a joke. Nothing gets fixed and the youth don't care.

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>>14396778
>they keep buying cheap shit they don't even need.
dude but that mouse I got glows it's way cool and only a dollar

>>14396790
yeah precisely. I'm just clarifying the problem isn't inherently the concept of migrants like so many progressives try to portray it as.

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>>14396752
>Once again, fucking support British businesses.

It worked so well before, why not try it again?

>>14395830
>A good chunk of Africa has free WiFi to help boost economic and educational activity. If he goes someplace relatively well off like South Africa he probably won't notice much real difference.

I was just shitposting, but that is genuinely good to hear. Thanks for the info anon.

>>14396779
>but they enjoy a very high standard of living that only grows year by year
>Implying

Must be why your average japanese low wage worker lives in internet cafes cabins and can only afford to eat junk food.

>>14396432
Ya know, all things considered, this has been a very cordial thread.

I'm guessing it hasn't been reported either cause this is off-topic as fuck and would get rekt immediately.

>>14395875
This. The EU put in import charges for my model kits.

>>14396775
>There are things like EU overturning decisions parliament made, EU appointments that UK had no say in, regulations, etc.

The UK used to be a member and the voting proceedures are listed on the EU's homepage. It's ridiculous to claim that they had no say in the EU.

Fucking Switzerland has no say and so they ended up having to rubber stamp an endless stream of EU law wtihout being able to meaningfully discuss it in their Parliament.

That's the future you chose.

>>14396779
the japanese economy has arguably been stagnant for almost 30 years since the bubble bursts back in the 90's and what is happening with the UK right now just undid a plan that might have a chance to move them forward a little (not single handedly but it pretty much threw the wrench to the whole plan), Japan likes to think itself as an isolationist nation but financially they're tied to the rest of the world, just like anyone else

Japanese products used to be the most sought after product in the market but now people are buying chinese and korean goods without batting and eye

it's currency is weaker than the pound because it's artificially made to be weaker because if the yen is too strong people aren't buying their product, if it's too week it kills the economy.

is that the model you're looking for? one that instead of taking control of the economy it's subservient to the market?

>>14396779
Japan has a lot of psychological problems going on, though.

It's actually surprising and somewhat unsettling how few massacres are reported in that nation. I refuse to believe it's because of the strict gun control, the Akihabara Massacre if anything is testament to the lengths an individual will go to kill people even if they can't get themselves a gun.

>>14396791
It is because the Japanese are not having kids that they are prospering. Their GDP is falling, but their population is actually shrinking faster, which means the average citizen is getting richer. GDP per capita is going up.

>>14396218
It'll be fine. The UK hasn't declared Article 50 and there's two years minimum until we can leave.

>>14396779
They're moving towards a society of working poor employed in temp jobs and old people who die alone because they can't afford care - or even afford paying for their relatives to care for them.

>>14396421
The Italian Economy is smaller than it was in 2000 thanks to the EU and the Eurozone.

>>14396834
Sounds like they're becoming a proper Western liberal society

>>14396675
Almost everyone was for Remain, then a few papers went the other way at the end but still put out pro-Remain articles.

>>14396577
>Implying that'll happen.

>>14396841
the sun, daily mail and telegraph have always been anti europe

>>14396791
>Their country is literally dying due to no one having kids.

I'm sick of this liberal shit.

Their population is stabilizing. I know you liberals like to go, "YOUR POPULATION IS AGING AND DYING ACCEPT IMMIGRANTS FAGGOTS", but they will manage.

Just because your country likes importing poor brown people for cheap labor doesn't mean Japan has to.

>>14396866
So who takes care of the aging population that is way larger than the younger ones?

>>14396866
>Their population is stabilizing
If by stabilizing you mean going to drop like flies with no significant turn over in the next twenty years, yeah, I guess it is stabilizing.

Good job handling the pensions.

>>14396874

Filipinos. Taking care of old foreigners is literally what they were put on this Earth to do, according to the Archbishop of Manila.

>>14396874
In my utopia people would take care of those close to them, such as family

>>14396778

Cheap labor actually helps modernization in third world countries in many cases, because the people who get it are almost always women - which gets them out of an arranged marriage where they have like 8 kids, most of whom die and where they never have any choice in life. If they work cheap jobs they get a small but stable wage which they have direct control of, often get a small bit of education outside work and choose work and self determination over marriage in a lot of cases, so that when they do have kids, it's normally only 2 or 3 instead of 8 or 10. Kids they can afford to keep alive due to proximity to a doctor and the advances in medicine an enriched economy affords. Kids who then get put through at least some school and have much better prospects thanks to richer parents, a better social environment and so on, which then results in that society going from third to second world in a couple of generations.

Lots of women actively choose to work those jobs and defend them despite the abuse of low wages and long hours because of it. They can definitely be policed and improved but getting rid if them all because of low wages is worse than having them in the first place, since it impoverishes countries even more and dashes their chances of ever improving just so people can feel good for helping someone they'll never meet or know.

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>>14395390
>Can 51% even be considered a majority?

>>14396885
You're right, anon. Guess Japan better get to work importing foreigners, because their entire population is literally going to die and disappear.

Au revoir, Japan! We hardly knew you!

>>14396866
that's not what he's saying, the population is dying because they're not having kids as a result of them thinking they have neither the time nor money to have kids, the population decline in Japan is real enough that it becomes a regular discussion on TV talking about solutions, including financial incentive to those willing to have more than one child to opening up more immigration, which they are, slightly.

>I'm sick of this liberal shit.
how is this liberal shit when it's one of the top concern every sitting japanese government for the past 10 years?

>>14396890
No one is making families anymore in Japan though.

>>14396902
>how is this liberal shit when it's one of the top concern every sitting japanese government for the past 10 years?

Wanting immigration is inherently a liberal idea. Conservatism is about conserving what you have.

>>14395446
There's a saying that goes something like, "The average person is an idiot and half the population is dumber than that." I find it to be reasonably accurate, having spent two years working at a customer service desk.

>>14396886
Oh man, reminder that their President thinks Trump is a spineless faggot who can't even command death squads without using a dog whistle.

>>14396904
But you still have your parents and taking care of them is least you can do for giving back what they've done for you.

I guess I'm biased because I do social work and when I was doing my studies I worked at retirement house for a while and it was the most depressing thing I've ever gone through. Definitely don't want my parents going through that.

>>14396744
>if you force every American company to go domestic eventually you'll see a spike in cost of living as the consumer is expected to pick up the added cost.
Why can't the rich ever pick up he cost? They're the ones who can afford to do so.

>>14396902
>thinking they have neither the time nor money to have kids
That's common across a lot of countries with the same problem.

Having just one child is expensive enough, and you need two per couple to keep the population up.

>>14396804
Anime has led me to believe that Japanese food is all junk food anyway

>>14396825
>but financially they're tied to the rest of the world, just like anyone else
They are most likely tied to the rest of the world in very different ways than everyone else. They have a very export and specialized labor based economy, and that's probably the whole reason they've been stagnant. Demand for their stuff has probably remained steady or even fallen a little given declining populations in first world countries absent immigration and they haven't exactly needed to take in more either since their own population has been shrinking for some time.

>Japanese products used to be the most sought after product in the market but now people are buying chinese and korean goods without batting and eye
Depends on what market you're talking about. I don't see Korea and China having a booming auto industry.

>it's currency is weaker than the pound because it's artificially made to be weaker because if the yen is too strong people aren't buying their product, if it's too week it kills the economy.
>is that the model you're looking for? one that instead of taking control of the economy it's subservient to the market?
Sounds like they're already taking control if they're keeping it at an artificial level. Anyway, the economy is always subservient to the market unless you do away with the market entirely and replace it with something else, which no country has ever done. This is just a matter of which market the economy is subservient to; the global market, or its own. And while Japan may not have its own agricultural or textile industry to be fully self-sufficient, that's just a result of geography. Otherwise, I'd say they have their bases covered and will not crash anytime soon regardless of what happens to the rest of the global economy.

>>14396907
he didn't say Japan's problem was lack of immigration though, he said their population is declining and that's mostly because of a prolonged stagnant economy.

besides, Japan is allowing more foreign workers to come in only as a band aid measure (and to finish building stadiums for the olympics), once they get their things in order they'll close it back up again, or at least that's what govt. officials say

>>14396901
How is importing foreigners any bad?

Especially in the case of Japan, they owe literally everything they have now to foreigners, without the old Gaikokujin of the Meiji era they wouldn't even have their fucking currency, let alone the militiary, roads, sanity and education.

The whole world works around foreigners, America and Australia are fundamentally nations of immigrants, same thing with the Roman Empire, no good has ever come from being closed, isolated nations of inbreds, no nation up to now has ever been such.

>>14396914
What?

>>14396943

The guy's famous for cleaning up the city he was mayor of via the time-honored method of vigilante death squads.

>>14396919

That's essentially communism, making the rich pay more for the poor just because they're rich. The poor have to pay a good deal of it too, and it'll always effect them more.

>>14396825
>it's currency is weaker than the pound because it's artificially made to be weaker because if the yen is too strong people aren't buying their product, if it's too week it kills the economy.
What is this if not control?

>>14396933
America and Australia are not ethnic nations with a distinct culture and identity.

>>14396951
>they call him "The Punisher"
Holy shit.

>>14396974
They genocided the natives and stole the survivor's children in order to at least give them Anglo culture and an Anglo identity.

But do keep on trying.

>>14396985

Right? Most Presidents of that shithole have had people killed (directly or indirectly) except the previous one, but this guy is the only one who's outright bald-faced about it.

>>14396752
> I'd gladly pay a bit extra to ensure my money isn't going to Chinese scumbags.
too bad most thing was "made in China" because cheap labor. nowadays people are more demanding than ever but wanted it in the cheapest price possible.
cheapskate nowadays are much more worst than ever, i tell ya.

btw there's no sentiment for the youth into jobs where oldfags does. most of them was "huurrr imma study something better & be a white collar workers so i won't dirty mah hand with shits while gain more money!".
turns out those youth can't even handle any shits, or even learn about basic life 101. i could tell most of them have no idea in doing or comprehend simple things like how to change a light bulb.
it's even pathetic, especially those engineering youth was more to software stuff. but when come to actual production after the software part done, they have no idea to produce it physically. i would say their hands-on skill is zero. nothing. empty. kaput.
engineering nowadays was worst compared to the past, where the past have balance in between hands-on & some software things.
more like "huurrrr imma just do mah designs & jobs, let dose dirty peasant slave cheap workers do as i design & says!".

guess who's those group referred to? minority ageing local oldfags & majority young non-locals.

not a britbong, but this is what i feel about society nowadays & could be applied to any country in this age of time. globalization is a bitch i would say.

>>14396893
Name an example of where this has ever worked with a foreign industry.

Countries have to do this with their own industries. Foreign industries are going to make sure that the labor stays cheap and profitable. If the country starts modernizing and the workers begin to demand better wages, foreign investment drops, the economy and political climate falls into chaos, and the foreigner investors move on to the next slave country, leaving things right back at square one. That's how I see this all going down.

>>14396933
Culture clash. Foreigners aren't inherently good, they don't inherently wish the best for the country, and what we're seeing now is many foreigners, particularly from the Middle East, going to new countries and demanding that the countries they go to turn into the exact same shithole countries they left. This isn't about skin colour or race, it's about ideas. Memers aside, /pol/ will respect any middle class working black man, or Saudi, or whatever. What they don't respect is niggers and durka durka ragheads who leech off welfare. And the unfortunate fact of the matter is that the latter do exist in some capacity.

>>14396933
Not him.

Importing foreigners is not inherently bad.
The problem is when they start importing foreigners with god awful attitudes, which is what people don't like a lot.

There was a slight shitstorm when a mainland chinese's kid shat on the streets in public, and the kid's mother allowed him to do it. It was absurd.

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>>14397004
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/apr/19/philippines-apologises-rape-comments-rodrigo-duterte-jacqueline-hamill
> Duterte was shown telling a crowd of laughing supporters at a campaign rally: “They raped all of the women … There was this Australian lay minister … when they took them out … I saw her face and I thought, son of a bitch, what a pity … they raped her, they all lined up.

>“I was mad she was raped but she was so beautiful. I thought, the mayor should have been first.”
What the fuck.

>>14396997
None of what you said disproves what I said.

They are not nations composed primarily of a singular ethnicity.

The US has been a white majority since its inception, but even their "white" is composed of several different European ethnicities.

>>14397014
What this anon said.

Immigrants who go into another country, assimilate, and adopt that country's culture and ideals are fine.

Immigrants who go into another country and act like they did in their home country are not welcome.

>>14396974
>America and Australia are not ethnic nations with a distinct culture and identity.

Last time I checked they pretended really hard to be to be though, and I checked around a few hours ago.

What does that have to do with foreigners being bad anyway? You do know that most of the ancient "traditions" or whatever even here in Europe are actually the byproduct of immigration and cultural exchange, right?
Christianity sure as hell wasn't born in Europe, same thing with silk, potatoes and tomatoes aren't European flora either yet they're integral parts of centuries old "traditional" cuisine and so on, Buddhism is Japan didn't magically sprout out of nowhere, it came with chinese monks who were in turn taught by indians.

>>14397015
>mainland chinese's kid shat on the streets in public
as someone who witnessed this personally in a FUCKING TRAIN let me tell you, you complain about cheap brown labour now wait until you see cheap mainland chinese labour, that goes especially to you australia, not too long ago you've relaxed your migrant worker permit for under qualified mainland chinese tradies

>>14396933
>no good has ever come from being closed, isolated nations of inbreds, no nation up to now has ever been such
I agree. But it's also a matter of what kind of migrants come and can they assimilate. Do you think for example Somalis could assimilate in Japanese society?

I live in sort of ghetto so I have lot of Kurdish friends and they can't stand Somalis because Somalis tend to be very strict Muslims and they often clash because Kurdish Muslims are very rebellious to Muslim standards. They are glad to live in Western nation where they can do what they want but not all people want the same freedom. There's more fighting between this kind of groups rather than migrants and natives.

>>14397056
Based Kurds.

>>14397056
I always knew Kurds were the best kebabs.

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Murrican here, what is Brexit and why is everyone talking about it?

>>14397056
it comes down to one thing isn't it? everything in moderation

>Kurdish
Kurds are cool people, those who manage to get out of the hell hole situation they were in don't take their problems with them, they maintain their own thing but they manage to integrate fine, one thing I learned though, never piss of a kurdish woman, they can be scarier than the men

>>14397081
Britain voted in a European Union referendum last night to leave the EU, resulting in their Prime Minister David Cameron giving a resignation speech.

>>14397092
Oh, so it's like Texas trying to leave the US but it actually worked?

>>14397092
and apparently a number of those who voted to leave are shocked and distraught, thinking they just wanted to show that they can vote to leave but they didn't really want to.

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>>14397079
Well that's why /m/'s favorite is one

>>14397102
Not quite the same, but sure.

>>14397102
Kinda, but not really.

The EU didn't have as much power over Britain as the US federal government has over Texas, but it's still a step towards more sovereignty for the British people.

>>14397014
>Foreigners aren't inherently good
Why?
>>14397015
>The problem is when they start importing foreigners with god awful attitudes, which is what people don't like a lot.
How are they any worse than locals with godawful attitude? Assholes are universal, it's not a prerogative of foreigners, hell, we are all foreigners to a degree at the end of the day.
>>14397056
>But it's also a matter of what kind of migrants come and can they assimilate.
That's true but that also varies between people of the same ethnicity.
I too live in a small sort of ghetto and have lots of bangla and paki neighbours, most of which are wonderful people, especially their kids, but even though my closest neighbours even prepared me dinner a few times the same bangla from two blocks down aren't nearly as cheerful and friendly, although I can't say they're as hostile and grating as most of the locals anyway.

I don't know how to respond to you for the somali question.
Looking at history, I'd say that as long as both parties get a good, clear deal in living with each others things go fine, but it's a complex problem nowadays and I don't feel I have the necessary knowledge to answer your question.
>>14397079
>I always knew Kurds were the best kebabs.
Not joking, but the best kebabs in my zone is made by kurds, so yeah, I can confirm they're quite literally the best kebabs, they also work their ass off, never seen people work as hard as them here besides bangla and chinese, literally 24/7 work.
Respect.

>>14397079
> kebab
> good
nah, i don't think so.

i would like to see any good kebab who not keep shoving kebabs to natives for annex purpose & later use those annexed kebabs for political tool shits.
that if it happens in front of my eyes.

>>14397115
>but it's a complex problem nowadays
not as complex as you think, those who are more devout to their faith are less likely to negotiate their lifestyles even when they're in a different environment.

we're taught to respect other people's faiths, which is fine but sometimes this relationship doesn't go both ways, this is what causes friction.

>>14397105
You can't be serious.