Explain THIS, feddies

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>>14383253
>late UC

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>>14383253
Explain this Zeek

>>14383253
Children are fucking stupid and need to die so us old folks can live in peace. What's YOUR excuse space pirate?

>>14383261
It was only Ghiren's fault

>>14383253
It didn't work though.

>>14383253
sauce ?

>>14383359
Gundam F91

>>14383253
>One Mid-level Feddie officer is an asshole
Look how Evil all the Feds are!

>All Zeon movements consistently carry out all sorts of atrocities
It's only a few bad apples, honest!

Zeekfags, everyone.

>>14383284
Following orders isn't an excuse, those participating in Operation British are just as guilty as Ghiren.

>>14383412
But Zeeks are all dead in late UC. So what is the justification for using children as shields?

>>14383580
>But Zeeks are all dead in late UC.
How is this relevant to what you just replied to?

>America keeps killing civilians with drone strikes, therefore Hitler didindunuffin.

>>14383586
Nono. Hitler did everything. What I want to know is if nazis are dead, who does America blame when America prepares to sacrifice for freedom?

>>14383457
>Following orders isn't an excuse

Worked fine for the feddies

>>14383761
That's because The Federation actually has a military. Zeeks are just terrorist rebels. There's no chain of command so orders can't be given. You can't follow orders if there's no one you report to, after all. But the Federation has an established chain of command and every soldier has a superior they report to.

>>14383792
>There's no chain of command
Wrong.

>>14383261
DELETE THIS

>>14383580

only in the animeverse. zeon is on mars a few years before f91

f90 was p boring tho

>>14383253

He was naive enough to think spacenoids care about other spacenoids' lives as other Feddies would

>>14383803
Not after Char was done there wasnt

>>14383792

> Zeeks are just terrorist rebels.

After 0079, sure. In 0079 itself though, along with 0080 and 08th MS Team they're not, because Zeon is a nation with its own military and chain of command. Something The Federation has to have recognised to embargo them, because you can only put an embargo on a nation.

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>>14383596
The tourists, enemy of freedom

>>14383261
>All of those Zaku II's without any thrusters
Are they just kinda floating around towards Earth?

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>>14384425
There was no differentiation between F types and J types until someone fixed Okawara's shitty art.

>>14383261
What the fuck I hate Zeon now!

>>14383261
>>14383284
>zeon dindu nuffin
And then, when Titans gets out of leash, is actually fault of the entire Federation.

>>14384425
In the anime the Zakus backpacks just have slots where the thrust comes out of, like a bar. Toys and shit turned it into nozzles and it was adopted by the updated designs for future shows.

>>14383253
Can't you read? The children are in no danger, they won't attack if children are used as shields.

Illiterate zeeks, baka

>>14384573
>when Titans gets out of leash

Implying they ever even gave a fuck

>>14384624
>what is AEUG

>>14384662

Meant more in the sense that Titans couldn't give a fuck about the Federation because well.

If you watched the damn show you know.

>>14383261
It was aimed at a military target. It's not Zeon's fault that the Federation deflected it to a civilian population center. The environmental damage would have been vastly less if it had hit its intended military target.

>>14385434
And Dublin? Was that the Fed's fault too you Zabi cock slurper?

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>>14385434
>Try to shoot someone
>Target manages to punch the shooter and he hits some innocent bystanders instead
>It's the targets fault for fighting back and not letting himself get shot

That 's not how it works you Zeon apologist fucktard. Also good job remembering the millions of people who lived in that colony who Zeon gassed before turning their home into a guided missile.

Why are Zeon apologists such objectively terrible human beings?

>>14383253

An unfortunate result of the Zeon rebellions.

Just like how 9/11 shifted the US government towards more surveillance and violation of individual rights, the OYW and subsequent Zeon rebellions shifted the Federation to be more ruthless in maintaining order.

This of course isn't the first time the Feds took a hard line on spacenoids in response to their terrorism. That just goes to show that Zeon has a history of bad ideas.

But expect Zeeks to keep telling you that Zeon is an ideology of peace and it's all America's fault.

>>14385955

cause they're just so fuckin stupid.

like, i think they literally don't, and can't, get it, so it's kinda like dealing with a baby or someone who suffered massive head trauma. you can only expect so much, y'know?

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>>14385487
>>14385955
>>14386129
>>14386274
>Pic related

>>14385434
No I'm pretty fucking sure the damage would as bad or a lot goddamn worse, also Zeeks are literally space Nazis mixed with space Imperial "warcrimes" Japan so fuck off

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The go to response to all Zeon apologists.

every UC series after the original has pretty been an slow attempt into making Feddies the actual bad guy and legitimize the Zeon's revolt .

Eventually they are just going to have a gundam series where the Fed and zeon switch role. The closest one yet was basically SEED.

>>14386961
>what is IBO

>>14385434

The environmental damage would be much the same. The civilian damage might be smaller, but the environmental damage is unlikely to be much different. If anything, a single large object hitting the Amazon would probably be worse for the environment than two somewhat smaller objects hitting Australia.

And even the civilian thing is doubtful, since Australia currently has a population of around 25 million and even assuming that was the figure in a future where a lot of people live in space instead, and all of the population of Australia died in the impact and aftermath, Jaburo is in the Guiana Highlands, which borders on several countries, namely Brazil, Venezuela and Guyana. And while Brazil is big, the other two aren't. So the impact alone would almost certainly effect several other countries like Surinam and French Guiana. Venezuela alone has a population of 30 million though, so the civilian toll too would probably be higher if it hit it's intended target.

Not that it's the Federation's fault regardless, because trying to divert a danger doesn't make the danger your fault.

>>14386961
>Eventually they are just going to have a gundam series where the Fed and zeon switch roles

That was pretty much Unicorn, though. Hell Unicorn is lterally SEED with a UC coating.

>>14386961
>Eventually they are just going to have a gundam series where the Fed and zeon switch role. The closest one yet was basically SEED.

But in SEED everyone in the Fed and Zeon armed forces who wasn't a frothing madman either died or switched sides to the third party, leaving only the frothing madmen in charge of both, unreduced, forces

>>14387042

That's not anything like Unicorn though. The Feds are still the dominant power, Zeon are still the insurgents with much less power, the Federation heads are still selfish assaults, Zeons leaders are still mad assholes, Zeon is fingered for several things during the show, they commit war crimes, they show willingness to sacrifice comrades for little and so on. Them being sympathetic doesn't make them the opposite of 0079, because Zeon in 0079 had sympathetic members but committed shitty acts too. Just like Unicorn.

Now I'm just waiting for Black Knight to show up and Zeonigger all over the thread.

>>14386948
Is the thread of origin, archived somewhere on the internets?

Must have been glorious...

>>14387049
>The Feds are still the dominant power, Zeon are still the insurgents with much less power,
The Laplace Box is a vehicle to blame everything bad in UC on an Evil Feddie Conspiracy and justify Zeon. It pretty much IS the epitome of 'making Feddies the actual bad guy and legitimize the Zeon's revolt'

>Zeon is fingered for several things during the show,
Only the colony drop. Meanwhile the idea that Zeon are poor, misunderstood freedom fighters ('Zeon is the Light of Hope for all Spacenoids') is repeatedly forced down the viewers throat. While the fact that Zeon gassed colonies, destroyed whole Sides and murdered billions of Spacenoids is blatantly ignored.

> they commit war crimes,
The Zeon remnants were just letting off steam, anon. The director himself said so.

>>14387157
>Point 1

Legitimizes Deikun's independence movement, maybe - gassings, nukes and colony derps, not so much.

>Point 2
I took it as a case of unreliable narrator - characters regurgitating propaganda that was hammered down their throats, right back at you.

>Point 3
...lol srsly?

>>14387174
>Legitimizes Deikun's independence movement, maybe - gassings, nukes and colony derps, not so much.
It's still retroactively demonising the Federation in order to justify and absolve Zeon. Now instead of the war being the fault of the Zabis, now Zeon are tragic victims of history who were forced into war because the Evil Feddie Conspiracy stole away their 'possibility' when they sealed the Laplace Box.

>I took it as a case of unreliable narrator - characters regurgitating propaganda that was hammered down their throats, right back at you.
Except Unicorn's narrative itself supports that nonsense. Case in point: Full Frontal's Side Co-prosperity Sphere plan, that everyone from Mineva to random ECOAS grunts thinks will succeed. It can only work if Spacenoids DO see Zeon as the 'Light of Hope' and lovingly flock to Zeon's banner while forgetting all the evil shit that Zeon did against them.

>...lol srsly?
I'm just going to post this again:
>While 40,000 people died at Dakar in the novels, in the OVA most of the damage done was to buildings because it was a holiday. People living at Torrington were affiliated with the army (soldiers and their family) so there was no declaration of war after that either. Frontal had no intention of starting a war, the attacks were mostly to let the Zeon remnants let off some steam.

>>14387157

Laplace doesn't do any of that. Even if Degwim had had the box it'd have made no difference because Zeon wasn't fighting for newtype rights, they were fighting for Spacenoid independence. And that's taking their rhetoric at face value, the reality is they weren't even fighting for that. It'd have made even less difference to Deikun, since newtype were only a theory he created to act as an example of how space was the place and his main concern was always Contolism.

You're also ignoring that even in 0079 we know the Federation heads are selfish assaults, so them hashing something up to make money is completely in character for them.

You're also ignoring that the Zeon peons always believed in a better cause. Why else do you think Ramba Ral fought for Zeon? All Unicorn did was give that a new source (religion) instead of bring totally dependant on patriotism or nationalism. Them having a better cause was never meant to excuse or justify their actions, only explain their loyalty. Even then, the two people who talk about it betray Zeon regardless, so that loyalty only goes so far.

Unicorn also named Char's attack at the very least, though no it doesn't mention everything, because it wasn't going through a list at any point, so naming them all isn't necessary to condemn them.

>>14387174

> lol srsly?

No, not really. Itsjust perpetuation of people almost willfully misunderstanding a quote to justify thinking Unicorn justifies Zeon, when the main argument of the quote was to say why the Federation didn't declare war on the Sleeves (attack wasn't severe or damaging enough essentially) or why it wasn't taken as a declaration of war by them. That's all it really says.

>>14387157
>It pretty much IS the epitome of 'making Feddies the actual bad guy and legitimize the Zeon's revolt'
Its like you didnt even watch it. It's Zeon's fault that the box had to be hidden for so long to begin with.
It didnt legitimize shit

>Meanwhile the idea that Zeon are poor, misunderstood freedom fighters ('Zeon is the Light of Hope for all Spacenoids') is repeatedly forced down the viewers throat
>"UNICORN DOESNT PORTRAY EVERY SINGLE ZEEK AS A GENOCIDAL MANIAC FUCKING ZEEKWANK REEEEEEEE"
Let me guess, you also forgot the fact that all the sympathetic zeeks end up going against Frontal by the end anyway

>The Zeon remnants were just letting off steam, anon. The director himself said so.
The director wasnt justifying it, he only said that starting a war wasnt their intention

>>14383253
>Sin título

>>14387213
To be fair I'm not sure if the Zeon Remnants guys could have stopped Loni if they tried, the rule of sending grunts up against powerful mobile armors would come into effect then.

>>14385434
Didn't the colony drop fuck up the environment and other things on Earth?

And it did so much damage, despite only being a PIECE of the colony.

Imagine how much worse it would be if the entire colony fell on Earth? Wouldn't it kind of destroy a fuckhuge portion of Earth?

Sort of like that huge ass meteor that killed all the dinosaurs, except replace the meteor with a colony that MILLIONS OF PEOPLE LIVED IN WHO ALSO DIED.

>>14393985
Whole colonies did fall though, on Dublin and Lhasa.

>>14394008
Oh yeah, I forgot about Dublin. I didn't know about Lhasa though.

Damn, what is with the zeeks and dropping colonies? Is that how they try to solve all their problems?

Seriously though, I feel like a large portion of Earth should be ruined if a colony ever fell on it, especially if three. Just one city and whatever's around it being destroyed doesn't seem realistic when you consider how gigantic a fucking colony is. That shit should shatter the Earth or something.

>>14394033
To be fair, it is hollow

>>14383261
Wouldn't happen if you stopped being tyrants and gave them them independence.

>>14384484
>shitty art

You know there wasn't originally any difference?
And that they used to only have one type of Zaku II.

>>14394008
>>14394033
Lhasa had a small asteroid dropped on it by Char in the Char's Counterattack movie

>>14386948
I love this so much

>>14383253
>Sin título.png

Spic detected

>>14386962
>IBO
>Implying Wing didn't do the same

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>>14387229
>implying /m/ watches half the shit it complains about

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>>14386307
>Feddie propaganda

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>>14395071
Time to use your own weapons against you

>>14383261

Operation British was an inside job.

>>14394033

> I feel like a large portion of Earth should be ruined if a colony ever fell on it

It wouldn't, regardless of whether you feel it would or not. Partially because they're hollow, as >>14394087 pointed out, and don't have nearly the density of the KT impactor that killed off the dinosaurs, but also partially because a falling colony wouldn't have nearly the same velocity as a meteorite would have while falling to Earth given that it'd have been accelerating through space for millenia in most cases.

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>>14395142
Two can play that game

>>14386961
I think the whole point is showing that BOTH sides are fuckasses.

>>14387229
>>14395000

>Its like you didnt even watch it. It's Zeon's fault that the box had to be hidden for so long to begin with.
It didnt legitimize shit

Look who is talking Unicorn apologist. It was you who didn't watch the show. The box was hidden by Syam to blackmail the Feds. That was a good 20-30 years before Zeon Daikun was even old enough to start yammering about spacenoids right and newtype

>Let me guess, you also forgot the fact that all the sympathetic zeeks end up going against Frontal by the end anyway

And they are not sympathetic how? Full Frontal was the "evil" false zeon like the Zabis (despite being most rational) who mislead these bunch of misunderstood passionate freedom fighters until a fucking peace princess come a long to guide them to the right path. This is SEED tier garage that only people with shit taste would buy.

>The director wasnt justifying it, he only said that starting a war wasnt their intention

HAHAHAHA no. This was literally what the director said. If decimating a city is not an act of war I don't know what is.

>>14387213
>While 40,000 people died at Dakar in the novels, in the OVA most of the damage done was to buildings because it was a holiday. People living at Torrington were affiliated with the army (soldiers and their family) so there was no declaration of war after that either. Frontal had no intention of starting a war, the attacks were mostly to let the Zeon remnants let off some steam.

>>14403195
That is perhaps the most sensible thing that anyone has said in the past three days.
Why are you on 4chan?

>>14403890
I come from 2005 4chan. That's why.

>>14403360

> If decimating a city is not an act of war I don't know what is.

Dropping a meteor on one? No, wait. That wasn't taken as a declaration of war either.

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>>14404022
>yfw 4chan's true allegiance in UC timeline would be to itself as generations of anons side with every villain faction ever for the sake of fucking shit up

>>14404177

>Feds sending Londo Bell to deal with them.
>Char having backroom deal to pretend to stop the war by surrendering fleet in exchange for Axis

Sounds like a war to me

>>14405471

The drop happened at the start of the film and Londo Bell only pursue Char against orders, while the Federation's regular forces are told not to antagonise them at all in case it upsets Spscenoids and the EF heads sit down to work out a deal with Char for what they say is giving him new territory. No part of that sounds like a war.

>>14386968
>wo somewhat smaller objects hitting Australia.
>>14393985
>it did so much damage, despite only being a PIECE of the colony.

Iffish broke into three large pieces. Roughly 1/4 of it hit North America, 1/4 of it hit Europe, and slightly over half of it hit Australia. That's three separate impacts, two objects over a mile long and a third between three and four miles long, as opposed to a single impact of a six mile object pushing straight down.

Secondary damage such as earthquakes and tsunamis would have still been triggered by a Jaburo impact, but there would have only been direct impact damage on one continent and only a single epicenter of those geological aftereffects instead of three evenly spaced geological disruptions.

>>14384300
Fuck tourists, always taking up too much space and acting like complete newfags

>>14403360
>That was a good 20-30 years before Zeon Daikun was even old enough to start yammering about spacenoids right and newtype
Exactly. If the box had been revealed before Zeon started talking about that shit, there would have been just a minor political scandal and nothing more.
The fact that the zeeks dropped a colony made it necessary to keep the box hidden.
You could even say that the zeeks ruined everything.

>Full Frontal was the "evil" false zeon like the Zabis (despite being most rational) who mislead these bunch of misunderstood passionate freedom fighters until a fucking peace princess come a long to guide them to the right path.
Now you're just talking out of your ass. Frontal was not, in any way, "false zeon". He WAS Neo Zeon.
I dont see where you got the idea that the Zabis were false zeon, considering that they preety much started the whole thing.

>This was literally what the director said. If decimating a city is not an act of war I don't know what is.
Its stupid that they said that it wasnt intended to start a war, but its not like they were saying "FRONTAL DID NOTHING WRONG SEIG ZEON" either, like you cucks are pretending.

>>14405539

And one large impact generates a larger shockwave than three smaller ones. Larger earthquakes, larger tsunamis, larger amounts of volcanic activity and dust in the atmosphere and more damage overall. One bigger impact is pretty much always more worrisome than several smaller ones, especially when the sizes are several kms in difference, because several smaller ones spread the damage around and dissipate it.

Which is presuming you mean environmental damage and not how many people will be affected by the result of those things, because that's a different matter and again, given the population numbers, hitting Jaburo will almost definitely be worse.

>>14405539
>>14406006

By the way, checking around the usual places (Gundam Wiki, Ultimate Mark) along with random Googling I can't see anything about the colony hitting Europe. Only that the colony broke when passing through the atmosphere, with the front half hitting Sydney and the back half breaking in to pieces that hit across the US and the Pacific.

Which makes more sense to me spatially. If you have something saying Europe though, I'd love to see it.

>>14387213
I still love how fucked up that explanation is.

>Don't worry, no one was really in the city because it was a holiday. The semi-annual "feast of depopulation".
>And the civilians you did see were family of soldiers, so it was okay to kill them. Especially that mother and baby trying to flee.

>>14406164

I still love how people think that's actually what was said.

>>14406169
proof?

>>14383253

It's just a mistranslated sub.

He said he was going to protect the civilian refugees so the CV won't attack as they protect civilians.

>>14406304

The post I quoted saying exactly that wasn't proof enough?

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>>14406316
That is exactly what is being said

Transcribed the line myself and looked up the correct kanji for stuff

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>>14395071
>Zeek threatens innocent civilian
How surprising, usually they just kill them

>>14406361
photoshopped

>>14406375
But Bottom Left guy didn't actually really do anything...

>>14404399
to be fair most of the anons would end up dead because they have no idea what the fuck they're doing

>>14387042

Remember the time when the Earth Federation did heinous shit that's just as bad as openly jonesing to commit genocide when a giant doomsday laser was waiting around the corner, microwaving their own forces, enslaving the local population to build a base and made their own Nazi-style concentration camp, like the Earth Alliance did? I don't!

>>14408489
>What are the Titans

>>14408788
Didn't they disown the Titans after all the horrible shit they pulled? Titans pretty much turned into their own entity after being granted extralegal powers that prevented the Earth Federation from holding them accountable.