G no Reconguista

>>14366638
The war ends because all the agitators died and the primary motivations were resolved.

The specifics of how and where the batteries come from has been revealed, the Venus Globe and Towasangan people that want to move back to Earth can, and apparently now everyone knows each other they can have real dialogues. So there's no longer various factions of people coveting what each other has.

The primary people moving the world toward war were the Amerian president saber-rattling over batteries, Cumpa arming the Capital Guard, and the Dorette Fleet wanting to invade Earth. All three cases, their leaders are dead, so new people took over who aren't so batshit.

>>14366661
But Capital Tower still has monopoly over the batteries.
And Venus Globe remains the only place that knows how to create Photon Batteries, Water Balls and Air Balls.

>>14366681
>But Capital Tower still has monopoly over the batteries.
Aida got over that like halfway through the series as she realises her view was just as taught as everyone else's. Her focus changed to finding out what is going on, how to stop the fighting and other stuff just wasn't as important

>Venus Globe remains the only place that knows how to create Photon Batteries, Water Balls and Air Balls.
Yeah, it may spread over time now as people don't listen to the taboo much now but the system works

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>>14366638
>Ringo+Kerbes killed a Capital Army commander.
no that was all best boy ringo

The Amerian fleet was destroyed and forced to surrender, the Dorrette Fleet in orbit was trashed, the G-IT Institute were defeated and the survivors surrendered, the Gondwan captain fled to his homeland, and Cumpa is dead along with the Army commanders.

It wraps up pretty well with the annihilation of all parties, really. It's worth nothing that the belligerents except Ameria and the CA represented a minority faction- the Hazm Government weren't in the same league as the Dorrette Fleet who were operating independently, and G-IT were rebelling against Venus Globe's leadership. Even though the CA and Ameria were were majority, they were opposed by minority factions like the Guard and Aida's crew, and institutes like the SU-Cordist church didn't pick sides.

>>14366802
>and institutes like the SU-Cordist church didn't pick sides.
Hell, the church didn't actually scream TABOO! that much. The pope looked like a pretty chill guy.

>>14366681
Yes and now they can talk about batteries without blowing each other up. The Ten Police came with the Megafauna to see how fucked up shit was in the Earthsphere and will report back when they go to Venus Globe.

>>14366808
IIRC even Space Pope knows the religion is a bit of a farce but still spreads its teachings.

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>>14366638
>Raraiya killed an entire ship
NO REGRETS

>>14366638
Klim didn't kill his dad. Incredible the amount of people who don't see this was a joke.

>>14368471
He tried to, though.

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>>14368471
>It's just a prank bro.

But really, did we ever get info on wheter he died or not?

>>14368471
>this was a joke
What is the joke?

>>14368471
He did out himself as the manchild he is in front of his entire nation, not caring about civilian casualties and collateral damage to the state.

But hey, it's G-Reco. Everyone's still so drunk on peace that they will simply view it as "Oh President Nick's son is just showing us how scary war really is and we should stop" or some other shitty excuse.

G-Reco itself was a joke, which was kind of the point. All the conflict was a joke, the personal character drives were also a joke, etc etc. That Homer/Bellri analogy really hit it home and is basically the tone for the entire series.

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>>14366779

did all that work and he still has to share with Kerbest

So this takes place 500 years after Turn A right? So whatever happened to the Turns in their Moonlight Butterfly cocoon? I mean, that would have to be a pretty significant historical event if the cocoon unraveled within that time period. Would Gym be kept alive by the nanomachines?

And even if it didn't hatch, wouldn't America be posting watch over that shit 24/7 to keep tabs on it? I mean, it's only the machine(s) that could reduce the planet back to the stone age.

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>>14372364
How can one side character be so based?

>>14372099
>Everyone's still so drunk on peace that they will simply view it as "Oh President Nick's son is just showing us how scary war really is and we should stop" or some other shitty excuse.
They don't even know Klim is in the ship, the point was that Ameria population will think SU-Cordism was punishing the president.

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>>14373156
cause he's the audience's self insert

>>14373148

Gym is dead. The nanomachines don't keep people alive, and while the Turns can apparently reconstitute people, they only do so if they die in the cockpit - and Gym isn't in the cockpit of either. I doubt the machines are any better off, given the nanomachines appear to be malfunctioning when the units are damaged and even if the Turner's nanomachines repair it, for instance, the Turn-X's will just damage it as it's repaired, rendering any repairs null and void. And considering how fast it can damage a suit compared to how slow it can repair one, damage will always win out.

>>14366638

Kill the old people, end the war

That's the Tomino way

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>>14379834
he got a couple of yungns to

>>14366808
>The pope looked like a pretty chill guy.

Best part of G-Reco as Pope was never made out to be a bad guy for sake of cheap plot twist.

>>14380373
Specially since one of the interviews Tomino did prior to G-Reco's airing was basically "Religion is the source of all problems *tips fedora*"

>>14366681
>But Capital Tower still has monopoly over the batteries.
Ameria wanted more batteries and their economy (and war efforts elsewhere in the world) were being constricted/choked by the careful metering of batteries out of the Capital Tower. But if you remember, Bellri & Co repair and soup up the Crescent Moon ship that transports the batteries between Venus Globe and the Moon, which was the major bottleneck for battery delivery. With the efficiency and speed of the Crescent Moon ship increased, supply goes up, Ameria's demand for batteries gets met, everyone is happy.

>>14382308
But Capital Tower still has the power to deny other countries from getting batteries.

>>14382591
But why would they, now that everyone has stopped being cunts? There was never any complaints about unfair distribution unless I'm remembering wrong, just that there weren't enough batteries.

What really bothered me about G-Reco was there was never real fucking tension ever.

Everyone is 100% chill all the time.

>>14382628
Ano onna

What tension there was came from character interactions/relationships. Not from the bigger political backstory. Standard tomino fare.

At least luin didnt fuck aida and wilmit

>>14382591
Didn't the venusian skeleton say that, now that Earth people wasn't happy with just staying on the planet anymore, they would lift the restrictions?

The final battle was so strange, Raraiya kills an Amerian ship and Aida gives her a "good job".
Megafauna does nothing.
Bellri has the most powerful machine in the battle but is too busy not killing Luin/Manny who are obsessed with killing him.

>>14382711
Don't forget how reentry took out a bunch of stuff without any enemy action necessary.

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>>14382711
Manny was a grade a patty hearst waifu

You want to kill bellri because his adoptive mother is in charge of the orbital elevator and he'll always be succesful because of that no matter what he does ? K

>fighting a war when Bellri 'Warning Shot' Zenam is on the loose
They all surrendered

>Bellri is too privileged and will become a dictator

Was Mask tumblr the character?

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>>14379783
>audience's self insert
I wish I was a pretty purple boy

>>14383617
>reentry took out a bunch of stuff without any enemy action necessary
That was the best parts. It shows you how much Amerian army was full of themselves.

>>14366638
The war didn't really end, they just ran out of resources and the Capital Army was presumably disbanded.

We see in the epilogue that President Zuchini wants more money to continue fighting.

>>14379891
What happened to Noor anyway? She was cute

>>14386724
Space warred

Pay attention more!!!!!!!!!

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Explain the plot relevance of this.

>>14387507
Gotta go somewhere on those long trips.

>>14387507
Your opinion's gotta go somewhere anon

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>>14366638
What did Tomino mean by this?

>>14387507
not sure why they don't have a recycling system in the normal suit

>>14382676
>What tension there was came from character interactions/relationships

Out of our main characters all we got were "murderer wants to fuck his sister but social conventions won't let him" and "designated tard-wrangler fails spectacularly at her job over and over again" and those weren't really that tense

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>>14366638
Goddamn, I should watch this show on acid.

>>14386546
He was trying to make himself the hero of the story.

>>14391745
BEAM TREEES

>>14392171

God that was such a disappointing fight.

> Oh man, it's shooting out beam trees and they're hitting everything and branching out in every direction and how the hell are the Megafauna crew going to stop this?
> Oh...I guess Bellri will just turn on an invincible shield, fly down and hit the unit with a single beam saber strike
> That one way to do it I guess

The series didn't have great fight choreography on the whole, but there were some good bits and that was just the lowest point of the whole thing I think. At least in terms of fight choreography anyway.

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>>14392186
Idk what's worse. Your opinion or that you think your opinion matters.

>>14392186
While the series had great choreography for Gundam, I'll admit that fight wasn't the high point of it.

>>14392186
I dunno i enjoyed the teamwork, but i do wish the other Megafauna pilots did more than COVERING FIRE. Yggridsil itself was fucking awesome though

>>14392296

I dunno what's worse, that you think that's good choreography, that you think anyone cares enough about your opinion to warrant a name or that you don't realise the exact same complaint you made could be levelled against you with no modification.

>>14392554
I was hoping they'd work together to take it down. As is though, everyone elseight as well have not been there. But yes, the Yggdrassil itself is great.

>>14392217
Sup snap fit kun you been doing well?

>>14381440
Is it

>>14396855
Fuck off ESL

>>14366779
>one of the most one dimensional and bland characters
>best boy

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>>14396946
yes

>>14390805
Because catheters are nasty, and using nano machines to recycle waste would make m raugh

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>>14396946
one dimensional isn't a bad word anon and he's far from bland. he's best boy

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>>14392171
she's totally fine she ejected yep she's fine that's what i'll keep telling myself.

>>14399940
she did eject

she also got roasted

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>>14399940
she dead

So which subs are the ones used for GundamInfo's uploads of the show?

>>14373148
greco and turn a do not take place in the same universe. tomino is fucking with everybody or actually insane

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>>14399940
>>14400062
>Barara "dies" extremely similar to the way Yazan "dies" at the end of Zeta Gundam
Hoping for oxygen deprivation wackiness a la Fuala in Reconguista in F.

any webms of yggdrasil fucking shit up?

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Was it Lalah?

>>14400300

That looks far too antagonistic for her or a swan, so I'm saying it's Basara's ghost seeing time.

>>14400300
I read someone thought it was Dellensen.

>>14394259
Yes, I have. Thank you.

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>>14399975
>>14400062
>>14400235
N-no youre wrong

>>14400235
Yazan's escape pod didn't get engulfed in an flames. It actually flies free of the Hambrabi's explosion.

>>14400235
Fuala didn't suffer from oxygen deprivation, they left her with enough oxygen to last. She went crazy from being stranded and the syber newtype operation.

>>14403597
Dat space gangplank scene though

>one of the most powerful weapons in the entire series was a fucking pyramid
How was this allowed?

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>>14408197
Its power derived entirely from the fact that it was piloted by a jilted woman in a Tomino anime

>>14400235
>Reconguista in F

It'll be Reconguista in GG.

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>>14410764
>not Chuchumy's Revenge Assault

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What she reading?

>>14412813
How to instigate a future dictators divorce

>>14387507
>G-Reco
>plot relevance

The truth is that Tomino is incontinent and has a toilet chair, which he thought would be a good idea for a mobile suit.

>>14400062
>full second of ejector thruster burning
>decelerates to sudden stop
physics how the fuck they work?

>>14412886
Sasuga japanese health technology sasuga

The main issue the show was trying to explore was modern Japan's push towards rearmament and the whitewashing of its militaristic past by people who don't know or don't care about the actual consequences of war, right?

>>14412979
That about it.

Also, how dangerous it is when people act on assumption because of lack of knowledge and be fed with misinformation.

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>>14413007
>when people act on assumption because of lack of knowledge and be fed with misinformation.
And how that is especially bad for the youth to do, they need to go see for themselves and not let themselves be held down or warped by the problems of their ancestors

>>14412813
To Serve Kuntala

>>14413086
G-Reco is UNDERSTANDING done right.

When people understand the mistake of their action cause by their own limited view, people make change for a better future.

>>14414313

The only people who really understood the extent of their mistakes were the protagonists, the antagonists mostly died without understanding. You could say the same of several other Gundam shows, like Turn-A. You could even say the same of SEED really.

>>14414346
If people really understand their mistake in SEED, there would be no SEED Destiny, so no, SEED is shit and there is no Understanding at all in the end.

>>14414408

People didn't, but they didn't in G-Reco either - the protagonists did, in both. So yea, SEED is bad, but that doesn't mean G-Reco did that particular thing better just because it's a better show.

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>>14414346
>the antagonists mostly died without understanding.
Thus showing that not understanding leads to bad shit

>>14414875

Yes, the same as most every show to have UNDERSTANDING.

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>>14412813
Cookbook. She plans to serve Manny to Luin.

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>>14414939
>the same as most every show
I don't think you get why people dislike UNDERSTANDING

The problem is when they start creating rays fuelled by their unquestioning belief, can do no wrong because of it and are able to force anyone into submission cause they understand. That doesn't happen with greco, the characters that win getting more UNDERSTANDING didn't make them win but there is a thematic divide

>>14414985

And I don't think you understand that this isn't the first show even in Gundam to do that exact thing. Even if you want to create that specific definition to count out SEED a good few show have had it, starting with 0079.

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>>14415010
>starting with 0079.
But it didn't do that, in fact 0079 basically says the opposite of understanding as although Amuro and Lalah can connect they are pretty much the only ones able and it ends horribly. Char even says newtypism may not be the wank everyone thinks but just some genetic accident about war.

0079 isn't really a show with a positive message of understanding and it is a smaller part of the show. Greco is a show with a positive message about it and it is pretty important

>>14415043
>Oneechan, can I enter your cock-pit?

>>14400300
No it's literally one of the G-Self's abilities. It can eject minovsky particles to create something similar to a minovsky craft

>>14415043

And the message/theme you were on about was understanding mistakes, not understating one another. The White Base crew did understand the mistakes that led to the war, they just couldn't make everyone else share the sentiment. The Megafauna crew couldn't either though. They made a couple of the G.I.T. people understand, but only after the fighting was already done.

Even if you come up with a really specific theme about understanding to say G-Reco did, Turn-A at the very least will have done it previously.

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>>14415076
>not understating one another.
Which is what 0079 touches on, thus the difference

>The White Base crew did understand the mistakes that led to the war
No they don't, they were effected by it and didn't like it but lacked the ability to really change it even if any did understand.

>Turn-A at the very least will have done it previously.
Turn A is looking at the past to understand the mistakes of man so they aren't repeated, Greco is looking forward to understand what to do as the past has it place but we aren't bound to it. Greco straight up denounces worrying too much about the past while in Turn A the old machines are shown in a bad scary light even the titular ms

>>14415117

> Which is what 0079 touches on, thus the difference

Except that difference was only invoked after pointing out that the offered definition already fit other shows.

> lacked the ability to really change it

Again, this wasn't in the original definition of why G-Reco had done it right.

> Turn A is looking at the past to understand the mistakes of man so they aren't repeated, Greco is looking forward

Turn-A never says that the past has all the solutions, and in fact says we should get over it and move forward, hence why Loran, Dianna, Corin and company don't care that the Turn-A had caused the Black History but thought they could usher in a new future using it regardless, since the past shouldn't define the future.

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>>14415144
>Except that difference was only invoked after pointing out that the offered definition already fit other shows.
No the difference is that the type of understanding, what happens with it is different and the meaning behind it is different

>this wasn't in the original definition of why G-Reco had done it right.
So it was a non sequitur and irrelevant if it wasn't about what greco did? They couldn't change and didn't understand it, so not similar at all

>Turn-A never says that the past has all the solutions,
No it pushed it as a warning

> and in fact says we should get over it and move forward
No it says the events should be seen as horrible things and as a warning before things are repeated especially with the moonlight butterfly. The past is held in reverence. Turn A is not a show about the future and looking forward

>don't care that the Turn-A had caused the Black History
They certainly seem to and the show wraps up with it getting wrapped up so it and the turn x can't be used any more cause past shit is dangerous and that they shouldn't be using it.

Turn A is very much a show that is looking back

>>14415180

> No the difference is that the type of understanding, what happens with it is different and the meaning behind it is different

Okay, what enemies did the crew of the Megafauna make understand them to facilitate the ending? The only ones who understood anything were the two G.I.T. crew, and that was only after the fighting had already stopped and they were unable to continue fighting. The Venus leader wasn't an enemy at any point.

> So it was a non sequitur and irrelevant if it wasn't about what greco did?

No, but it moving the goalposts to try and make G-Reco different by doing something that other shows haven't. Even as early as Zeta though, Gundam protagonists show the ability to effect the outcome of the war as a whole and change things once they understood them. They even made Emma understand them. And the Federation heads at Dakar. And all the Newtyle ghosts.

> No it pushed it as a warning

So did G-Reco.

> No it says the events should be seen as horrible things and as a warning

Like some kind of taboo you mean?

> The past is held in reverence

Only by the villains.

> They certainly seem to

Loran constantly urges people to stop fighting because of revenge for the past, Dianna's flashback is about getting over the past, Corin gets better when he finally defeats the specter of the past. And so on. The villains are tied to the past: Teteth to getting back to her past on the Moon, Gym to the warrior past of his family, Guin to past technology.

> the show wraps up with it getting wrapped up so it and the turn x can't be used any more

Yea, G-Reco didn't end with it's main Gundam destroyed either.

>>14366638
The war ends because all the warmongers are dead.

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>>14415246
>Okay, what enemies did the crew of the Megafauna make understand them to facilitate the ending?
I don't think you got what I said, this whole line you have gone on was never part of my argument about what I argued greco did >>14414985 . Both series not touching a point doesn't make them the same

>but it moving the goalposts
Yes you seem to be doing that a lot and creating nonsense

>change things once they understood them.
>>14414985
>That doesn't happen with greco, the characters that win getting more UNDERSTANDING didn't make them win but there is a thematic divide

>So did G-Reco.
No it didn't not. Luin was all about muh prido and showed how getting mixed up in teh ideas of the past as a warning leads to negative things. It is the opposite of that

>Like some kind of taboo you mean?
Notice how Bellri gets over this as time goes on? The point is he learns that taboo means fuck all and finds his own path. I know it's cliche but you need to pay more attention

>Only by the villains.
If by that you mean they want it, in fact Guin is very villainous as time goes on and pushes for more technology. Gym also wants to dig up more and return to the past where people were warriors. Other characters like Dianna see the past as having a load of bad shit. Seems very past focused here.

>because of revenge for the past,
So what you are saying is, THE SERIES FOCUSES ON THE PAST AND HOW WE MUST UNDERSTAND THAT TO NOT REPEAT THE BLACK HISTORY. Meanwhile greco shows that although we can understand the past it isn't the main thing that should drive us to act and that the perception from it gives us a warped view that may no longer be relevant.

>Yea, G-Reco didn't end with it's main Gundam destroyed either.
Greco also ended with everyone using new tech and flying off to do more. Turn A ends with things mostly back to normal and just the moonrace using the ship to get back. Including red team returning to their ancestors home

>>14366638
When all the shitposters are dead, there's no more shitposting.

It's not that complicated.

>>14415325

> Both series not touching a point doesn't make them the same

The point you made was that G-Reco was UNDERSTANDING done right (assuming that was you) - not that two series touched upon understanding. My point was that it was hardly the first to do so.

> Yes you seem to be doing that a lot and creating nonsense

Okay, when? When I have ever wavered from saying that other series have done UNDERSTANDING right, despite your shifting definitions?

> change things once they understood them
>>14415117
> they were effected by it and didn't like it but lacked the ability to really change it even if any did understand
> lacked the ability to really change it

> Luin was all about muh prido and showed how getting mixed up in teh ideas of the past as a warning leads to negative things. It is the opposite of that

It still focused on the past what with Luin's pride and the taboo and the G.I.T. wanting to reconquer Earth and Cumpa wanting to reignite people via war like the past and so on.

> Notice how Bellri gets over this as time goes on?

Yes, I also noticed that Loran didn't care about the past at all, that Corin got over his, that Dianna moved forward, that Sochie had to let go of her grudge to move on and so on too.

> If by that you mean they want it

Yes, just like Cumpa. And Klim's dad/Ameria. And G.I.T.

> THE SERIES FOCUSES ON THE PAST AND HOW WE MUST UNDERSTAND THAT TO NOT REPEAT THE BLACK HISTORY

No more than G-Reco and conquering Earth and the taboo and so on. And no, they weren't a major part - but neither was the Black History which only got revealed in something like episode 45 and was hardly mentioned prior to that.

> Greco also ended with everyone using new tech and flying off to do more

No, it didn't. The Crescent ship wasn't new tech. It had been doing rounds for ages. If anything, the ship in the Turn-A finale is newer.

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>>14415470
>My point was that it was hardly the first to do so.
This nonsence point doesn't prove that by saying both didn't address one factor

>> lacked the ability to really change it
Why did you post this? They could change things, it was not magic UNDERSTANDING beams that did it. You seem to have completely missed the point

>It still focused on the past
Apart from the series doesn't, remember how everyone bitched they didn't explore kuntalas enough? The show didn't focus on their past, but how his idea of the past made him think the situation was like. He was never scared he was going to become food but that his people were informed how he saw the world. Meanwhile Turn A has them scared of stuff from the actual past returning again to do the same thing again.

> Loran didn't care about the past at all
Yes he very much did, remember the whole nuke arc where he was scared of them being a dangerous weapon from the past and didn't want them used again?

> Corin got over his
For the majority of the series all he is about is GUNDAMU cause of the past and even at the end kills himself because of his fears.

>Dianna moved forward
Again spent the whole series not wanting shit to go back, she never got over it just stopped it and especially not Will Game her lover from the past

>Cumpa
Again like Luin, saw what the past did to his people and this changed how he wanted to push humanity. Same with other two, they did not want a return it informed how they wanted to change. With GIT they figured humans hadn't even moved on.

>No more than G-Reco
I feel like I've explained this 5 times in this post, but Greco is about how the characters see the future and if it is based on the past cause they are jaded or being all UNDERSTANDING willing to see the issue in a fresh way to move forward

>The Crescent ship wasn't new tech.
Got me with that one (though technecally Aida is only in charge of mega still), other points in that post still stand

>>14415557

> This nonsence point doesn't prove that by saying both didn't address one factor

That was hardly what I was doing, since I spent most of it pointing out that other shows did things you brought up that G-Reco did to make it's ending a better example.

> Why did you post this? They could change things, it was not magic UNDERSTANDING beams that did it. You seem to have completely missed the point

I brought it up because I had pointed out that even as early as Zeta protagonists were changing things and you seemed to dismiss that by saying G-Reco wasn't a better example because it's characters changed things. So I was giving the example of you saying it. If you didn't mean that then I apologise and you can ignore it.

> Turn-A has them scared of stuff from the actual past returning again

Stuff returning isn't the only way to look to the past. Having enemies that want to reinvigorate people by looking to the past. Or reconquering the Earth like in the past because they think life was better then or what have you is also a valid way to look to the past.

> remember the whole nuke arc where he was scared of them being a dangerous weapon from the past and didn't want them used again?

I remember that it was only maybe 5 to 10 episodes in the show and that Loran himself wasn't concerned with how the past should influence the future at all in the show, just that the past not be used to define or destroy the future. Which isn't any different to Bellri who spent several episodes talking about the taboo and then didn't want the past to dicate the future by having people focus on it.

> For the majority of the series all he is about is GUNDAMU cause of the past and even at the end kills himself because of his fears.

If by majority you mean 15 episodes or so after he was introduced. He also killed himself while literally shouting about how the Turn-A piloted by Loran should make a new future, not out of fear of the past.

>>14415673


> Again spent the whole series not wanting shit to go back

No, she spent part of the series finding out about Kihel's life and part of it trying to prevent a war, but never looked to the past for inspiration or focused on it outide Will Game, who she had to get over and never mentioned again in the entire show. Outside of asking the ship be named after his ancestor for digging it up in the first place. Which isn't focusing on him.

> this changed how he wanted to push humanity

Yea, it meant he wanted to make a big war to make people better like in the past.

> Same with the other two, they did not want a return it informed how they wanted to change.

By reconquering Earth because they thought it'd make their lives better like in the past.

> I feel like I've explained this 5 times in this post

And I feel like I've explained 5 times that both G-Reco and Turn-A have the protagonists looking to make a better future and villains looking to use the past in some way to fuck up the future.

> Greco is about how the characters see the future and if it is based on the past cause they are jaded or being all UNDERSTANDING willing to see the issue in a fresh way to move forward

And Turn-A is about how the characters see the past and decide it doesn't have to dictate the future, but they can move past it and get a better future. They don't care about making it a fresh new future, just a new future not dependent on the past. Hence why the Turn-A itself was used as a tool several times in the show, as a cow catcher, train-trackers, a washer, a dryer (twice even) and possibly some others despite being a terrifying weapon from the past. Only the villains really focus on the past, which is why they're villains in the first place. The best example being Corin going from a bad character to good by banishing the past and defeating a fake Turn-A.

>>14413086
UWOOOOOOOOOOOOOH!

>>14415673
>I spent most of it pointing out that other shows did things you brought up
I pointed out how they were different and then you kept on it making no real point now

> Zeta protagonists were changing things
Again understanding has a negative effect in zeta and is a person to person thing. Not similar

>Stuff returning isn't the only way to look to the past
It is the one Turn A focuses on, they want things to return or are scared of them returning to that

>I remember that it was only maybe 5 to 10 episodes
So it doesn't count now even though it was about that?
> Loran himself wasn't concerned with how the past
Yes he was, he is worried because they are weapons of teh past and what they did in the past and if they do the same thing again.

> talking about the taboo
You are being dishonest now. bellri gets over the taboo no longer thinking going certain places is how it should be, Loran never starts thing oh using nukes for warfare is great actually

>15 episodes
In the episodes he appears this stuff comes up, even the float episode

>make a new future, not out of fear of the past.
So, the show has spent all this time focusing on the past and only at the end does one character go lets finally stop doing this yet the show still seals it away. Meanwhile in greco they are breaking taboo episode 1 when Bellri uses a cutter as a gun

>prevent a war
What kind of war? Oh it's the war with people repeating the black history

>inspiration
When did I say she did? Never I said she was fearful of it which is true

>outide Will Game
No you don't get to skip that, the show spends a long time with her wanting to go back to that and she never says she is over it even having that ship named will game. This is unlike Taboo where Bellri does get over it and break it

>>14415678
>like in the past.
Again, his idea was warped by how he saw the past. he didn't want to create the same war or use the same tech again to return people to the past

You try and do this again 3 times so I'll just explain it. They do not want to return to the past, they do not want to use old technology to make the future like it was then. That is what happens in turn a

how they think to do stuff is informed by the past but they are creating a new future. This is the difference between buying an old painting (Turn A) and painting in the style of an old artist (greco) instead of making a style of your own (greco)

>the protagonists looking to make a better future
You are just twisting words now. Loran is looking to return to the world along with the moonrace ending with him doing that and serving his Queen, Bellri learns to think or himself and not be held down by the past

>They don't care about making it a fresh new future
Good, then, you admit we are done.
> by banishing the past
so his actions are CARRYING OUT ACTIONS HE CARED ABOUT IN THE PAST

>>14415755

> I pointed out how they were different and then you kept on it making no real point now

Yes, and I pointed out the similarities depsite your objections. You kept on it making no real point now.

> Again understanding has a negative effect in zeta and is a person to person thing. Not similar

Not with Emma. Or Dakar. Or the ghosts in the finale. That finale one is definitely melancholic, since Sarah had to die to understand why Scirocco was bad, but she did understand in the end and there's definitely some person to person understanding there.

> It is the one Turn A focuses on, they want things to return or are scared of them returning to that

Again, only the villains, the heroes just want to stop them and move on. Which isn't dissimilar from G-Reco.

> So it doesn't count now even though it was about that?

Well when it was only a minor part of the whole and Loran's focus was on not letting people use them to fuck up the present it kind of doesn't, since he wasn't concerned that they were part of the past, he was concerned they were destructive regardless of origin. He only mentioned their past so people would understand where they came from. He also uses them to help the future by destroying Mistletoe. He's fine with them in specific circumstances.

> Bellri gets over the taboo no longer thinking going certain places is how it should be, Loran never starts thing oh using nukes for warfare is great actually

You're being dishonest now. Both of them are informed by something from the past and both of them try to prevent it from screwing up the future.

> In the episodes he appears this stuff comes up, even the float episode

Yes, which is why I said he dispells his fears by defeating the past. I never said he wasn't chasing the past, only that he got over it and looked to the future after the float episode.

>>14415897

> So, the show has spent all this time focusing on the past and only at the end does one character go lets finally stop doing this yet the show still seals it away.

I think you must be deliberately misconstruing what I said, since I never said he was more than one example and he doesn't just get over it in the finale, he gets over it around the half way mark. I gave other examples previous to that.

> What kind of war? Oh it's the war with people repeating the black history

Just like G-Reco is a war with people fighting over remnants of the past in the form of the photon batteries. They're both about preventing a war over ghosts of the past so people can move forward to the future.

> When did I say she did? Never I said she was fearful of it which is true

She isn't though. She's not scared of the past, just about people causing a war using ghosts of the past. That's like saying Aida is scared of the past because she didn't want people using the photon batteries or blueprints from the Rose of Hermes as tools of war.

> the show spends a long time

Two episodes isn't a long time.

> she never says she is over it

She also never mentions him again and throws away his picture before leaving his house, so it's kind of hard to think anything else.

> even having the ship named Will Game

After the guy who dug it up and delivered it. Also named Will Game.

> he didn't want to create the same war or use the same tech again to return people to the past

Neither did Gym or Guin. Both wanted to use the tech of the past to make a new world, not recreate the past. Cumpa and Gym both wanted to use the tools of the past (Black History or Rose of Hermes) to make people better by awakening their will to fight. Their motive is almost identical, even if they are very different in personality.

>>14415907

> they do not want to use old technology to make the future like it was then

And I'll explain it again: neither does anyone in Turn-A. They do want to use the technology of the past, but don't want to make the future like it was in the past. And that's not really different to Cumpa, or G.I.T. who both want to make use of the Rose of Hermes to conquer Earth and/or make a new war.

> Good then you admit we are done

If all you're looking for is to jump on a bit of semantics, claim victory at the first chance and move on then I guess yea. It's just semantics though and you know it. Both of them want to make a new future - I can use the word fresh too if you want, even though I don't think it applies in either case.

> so his actions are CARRYING OUT ACTIONS HE CARED ABOUT IN THE PAST

You don't have to care about something to not want it to dictate the future or banish it.

>>14415907
>Their motive is almost identical
Not him but they aren't, just similar

Both do see war as a way to help humanity, but Gym seems to see this only to create warriors (which he thinks the past mostly was) while Cumpa seems to only see that as a part and doesn't seem to want a warrior society. Gym wants a war to reawaken the fighting spirit like they were in the past, Cumpa wants to evolve humans to something else. Gym see that people have become weak in who they are, Cumpa sees they have become actually physically weak. Both see stagnation. Gym uses actual tools of the past, Cumpa is letting them make something new out of the blueprints.

The big difference is Gym does want the old you could called it a return to tradition to create something like the past, Cumpa is pushing the new from the old which is more a traditional method for a new outcome. This does have a big effect on what they are doing, one creates the past again and the other creates a new future

>>14416006
Cumpa was also a git who didnt like to party and let a dancer call her boyfriend

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>>14420340
lewd

>>14415557
How old was she again?

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What did they mean by this?

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>>14425782
Too old.

>>14425807
Dellensen was trying to shield the Earth from the nuke in the g self

>>14400300
It's a reference.

>>14380373
Reminded me of Boro at first from Votoms

>>14425819
Char plz

Why is Bellri so mad after finding out that Aida is his nee-san?
He's already breaking all sorts of Taboos by piloting G-Self, why not just break the taboo of fucking your sister while he's at it?

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>>14432056
As somebody who has watched several episodes of Law and Order SVU I can safely say that no normal person is attracted to their sister, and if they were to find out they were fucking their sister they'd go on a rape and castration spree