Godzilla 1.0 You Are (Not) Alone

>>14337774
Or a person banned from Toho Kingdom still harassed by its members

>>14337774
Who's willing to bet that the bony, toothy thing on the tip of its tail is a teratoma, and come the end of the movie Gojira will look like the fucking thing?

>>14337821
I heard that is was a whale's skeleton or some shit.

I bet this movie is gonna be edgy as fuck.

>>14337826
The trailer's pretty edgy and very Anno-ish, so I assume it's gonna be a fairly dark movie.

I just want to see a movie which portrays Gojira's gender accurately. Hopefully this movie will give us a few glimpses of his massive, scarred hemipenis.

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>>14337774
I can't wait for this film to come out holy shit.
I'm wondering if there are going to be other monsters.

>>14337837
>Hopefully this movie will give us a few glimpses of his massive, scarred hemipenis.

What makes you so sure Godzilla is male?

>>14337849
Kind of assumed it since everyone refers to him as a "him" in the movies and he's called the "king" of the monsters. Therefore he's a male and has a hemipenis, like other reptiles.

>>14337858
>"king" of the monsters.
That was just a subtitle added to the first Godzilla film when it was americanized, and it became kind of a nickname for western fans, but the japanese actually never refer to him as the king of the monsters.

>Kind of assumed it since everyone refers to him as a "him" in the movies
The japanese language has almost no pronouns for "him" or "her" and if you listen to the original audio in the movies and know how the japanese language works, he's mostly referred to as an "it," just like the other kaiju in the series.

I'd go as far to say that Godzilla's gender is never truly disclosed in the movies.

>>14337869
Haruo Nakajima stated in a interview that he thinks showa gojira is a hermaphrodite.

Did anyone screencap those rumors of the movie involving a new monster called Judas?

>>14338006
https://desustorage.org/m/thread/14266874/#14267583

>>14337843
this is a solo godzilla movie

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>>14338024
>new baragon looking motherfucker kaiju
>a monster referencing annos old work
>instead of being a reference to 2011 japan shit, godzilla is actually being controlled by another monster entirely

don't know whether i want this or not

>>14339132
We don't know for sure though.

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>>14337774

>>14339164
You forgot about Godzilla coming back with a new form after being dead for most of the film

>>14339164
One thing for sure, it would be a breath of fresh air that this franchise sorely needs.

>>14339164
Inb4 the new monster has something resembling an AT field.

>>14339132
BORING

>>14338024
Sounds like bullshit.

>>14341014
To be honest, had you stumbled upon the plot outline of the best Heisei movie - vs. Biollante, prior to its release - you'd call bullshit too.

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>>14341068
>best Heisei movie
They are all good

>>14341068
>best Heisei movie - vs. Biollante
That's a weird way to spell Godzilla vs. Destroyah.

>>14342177
Anon, please...

Vs. Destoroyah was the regurgitated epitome of rehashed shit, nostalgia-bait, edge and suits so bulky they couldn't even move(have you noticed there never was a shot of Final Form Destro walking?)

It's down there with Space Godzilla and Vs. Mothra

>>14339164
>>14341014
Yeah I'm not holding my breath on it being legit, but I do expect that there's some stuff that hasn't been revealed yet.

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>>14342205
You're funny

>>14342263
Also, the movie SOMEHOW succeds in looking WORSE than "84 and Biollante despite having a higher budget and being made years later.

That Aliens ripoff scene with 6" toys, bwahaha.
Also compare the glorious miniatures from "84 and Biollante to the cardboxes from later Heisei.

That movie is utter shit-tier, Ifukube's GODLY soundtrack is the only redeeming factor.

>>14342205
Destoroyah's overrated and it doesn't handle its characters and themes all too well, but I'd put it way above the all-round badly developed thrash that is Mothra.

And I honestly have no recollection of how I felt about SG. I know what it's about and I rewatched some scenes a while ago, but that movie apparently left me feeling nothing. Which might just make it a tad better than Mothra in my eyes.

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>>14342336
>Disrecpting the most heart-wrenching moment in the series

>>14342375
Not really, the music makes that scene ,and as i said - Ifukube's OST is transcendental, as usual.
But still, This ain't got shit on G"84 ending, those fucking squeals and music, mate...

Also, it looks horrendous - doesn't even try to pretend that it ain't a rubber suit on top of Styrofoam decorations and illuminated by a lightbulb.
It's almost like Kawakita forgot how to shot convincing SFX on a small budget, he was apparently an alcoholic circa 90's - so it's somewhat unfortunate, if understandable.

It's pathetic how low he fell after after 84, Bio and KG - which all had amazing SFX, considering the time, production time and budget.

>>14342420
Not sure I'd rank King Ghidorah up there. Maybe it's just me, but every time I think of that movie, the first things I recall are the stiff Ghidorah flying puppet that looks straight out of G vs. Gigan, the ungodly lazy flying effects done with the suit, and horrible compositing.

>>14342437
It also had amazing miniature work and rotoscoping, one needs to keep in mind that it had a smaller budget than Bio and half the production time.

But in the end, yes - it signifies the beginning of a massive drop in quality that plagued and increased with each successive Heisei entry.

>>14337774
so any word if its meltdown godzilla

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>>14342853
The original Gojira revived

>>14337843
Is that an Eva-lookalike?

Anno pls

>>14337869
Toho has referred to Godzilla with male pronouns in official merchandise and marketing. And they proudly use the subtitle "king of the monsters." If they felt it inaccurately reflected their character, they could have disowned it decades ago. Until Toho states otherwise, most evidence points towards Godzilla being male.

>>14343020
There's at least A Space Godzilla, which grew from an aborted movie. It's built around Godzilla being revealed to having been female all along.
Obviously there's a lot things in A Space Godzilla that don't reflect on the usual Godzilla mythos, but it seems the idea's at least been floating around.

>>14343040
Wasn't that Godzilla from space though? There was an entire planet of Godzilla and she was trying to get home. It's presumably set within Showa Era continuity, as it directly references some of the films. If that is the case, it creates some jarring contradictions with the latter installments of the era. But aside from the obscure story in question, there is virtually no substantial evidence towards Godzilla being female. At the most you could argue for gender neutrality, but various directors and official Toho statements have described him using male pronouns. And the Western dubs use male pronouns.

>>14343065
There's a lot of crazy shit in it. Like I said, it's clearly not to be taken as anything serious, just that apparently the idea has come up at Toho.

>>14343020
Would official tie-in media, like the Godzilland cartoons and that game in which Godzilla's shown to be a boy with a girlfriend, in any way factor into this matter?

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>>14343145
Toho is a pretty conservative company, so I don't see why not.

This from kpa of TohoKingdom:

I don’t have a problem with a female Godzilla… but Toho and the filmmakers consistently refer to the character (in all incarnations) as male. In the original film, Godzilla (in part) symbolizes the horrors of war… and the Japanese suffered those horrors thanks to the actions of their 100% male military leadership. Going beyond that first film, Kong calls his opponent “Mr Godzilla” in Toho’s advertising for KKvsG, in SON OF GODZILLA he is called a “proud papa” (and the Minilla calls him “daddy” in the trailer), Toho’s international posters often state “he” and “his”, Kaneko described the GMK as male, Masaaki Tezuka said Kiryu and Godzilla were “father and son”, and Godzilla is called “he” by Don Frye in FINAL WARS… which would mean that ever Godzilla movie that connects to the first film got the monster’s gender wrong. Or that Toho has been consistent on this topic for 50 years.

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>the tail has a face

>>14343251

Check my post
>>14337821

My guess is that he's now so horribly irradiated, that his DNA is fucked beyond all recognition.
His regeneration, instead of helping, is slowly turning turning him into a misshapen monstrosity - growing things that should not be where they are. There were pictures of a six feet tall statue unveiled at some event, some weeks ago - and someone rightfully notice that he has claws growing out of his ankles.

By the end of the movie, he'll look like he could fit right in in John Carpenters "The Thing".

>>14337774
What if this movie bombs? There have been rumors of Toho canning most of the practical effects because the puppet failed tests, reshoots, production going over-budget, and the filmmakers being behind schedule for what is normal. The first point seems to have been confirmed by Toho now touting that Godzilla is brought to life by full CGI, which goes against early insistence on it being a combination of various methods. And the latter point is probably why we've seen so little of the film. Is there hope, anons? Can Anno save the genre?

>>14343327
Unless you have some super secret unreleased trailer, the Godzilla in the existing trailer is mostly practical effects, which is even why some people complain about how he seemed kind of stiff.

>>14343350
According to the article August Ragone posted in response to the second trailer, the effects weren't finished. And after said trailer Toho began advertising the full CGI gimmick.

"Toho is now touting a "full CG" monster. Conversely, the official trailer reveals some traditional miniature photography, and (of course) Anno/Higuchi's renown fetish for military hardware.
...

WARNING: Be cautioned that in regards to the trailers, these are not the final visual effects shots, as the film is still in post-production. Remember that the movie is over three months away from release. Remain calm. Do not panic."

http://augustragone.blogspot.com/2016/04/tohos-upcoming-shin-godzilla-revealed.html

Then later Shinji Huguchi said most of the effects will be CGI. Things that proved too challenging will be done in a more traditional method. I'll look for an exact link on that.

>>14343327
>What if this movie bombs?
Then Godzilla will hibernate even more in the East, maybe for even longer this time, losing even more cultural relevance. The franchise will be carried by the West, until Legendary-WB trip over their own feet in their efforts to build up a cinematic kaiju universe and somehow work against the worldwide negative stigma that the giant monster productions and the Godzilla franchise in particular have been carrying for over half a century -- which, if Resurgence bombs, will probably grow even stronger.

As you can tell, I'm not exactly presenting an optimistic outlook.

>>14342155
>Vs. SpaceG
Uhhh.

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>>14343440
I'd like to hope this does well. Anno produced some of my favorite anime: Gunbuster and Evangelion. And I'm a pretty big Godzilla fan. So this is an awesome opportunity. Anno is a creative guy and I think he is the right guy to breathe some new life into a franchise that has grown rather stale and disappointing over the last couple of decades. Minus an exception or two like GMK. I really hope the filmmakers haven't bitten off more than they can chew.

But it seems Toho has put more effort into this film than normal. It has a longer production schedule, probably a much larger budget, will reportedly feature over 300 celebrities in supporting/cameo roles, and it has the crossover promotion campaign with Evangelion. Then there is Anno writing and directing. Shinji Huguci is in charge of special effects and he is famous for doing the special effects of the Heisei Gamera films. Mahiro Maeda responsible for art design. And the composer is Shiro Sagisu. If this fails it'll be an embarrassing and demoralizing failure.

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>>14343299
>By the end of the movie, he'll look like he could fit right in in John Carpenters "The Thing".

>>14343065
>There was an entire planet of Godzilla and she was trying to get home.
No. It was part of the plot of Heisei. Just a throwback to Showa camp. Each entry built on the last
>Return has Godzilla come back, ends with him/her/it in the Volcano
>Vs. Biollante ends with Biollante's cells flying off into space.
>Vs. Ghidorah sets up Mecha-G with the Futurian tech
>Vs. Mothra drops the respobsibility of protecting earth from the mysterious space threat from Battra to Mothra.
>Mecha-G intro's Baby.
Leading up to Space-G which was created by the Biollante(see:Godzilla) cells flying off into space. Space-G's intent is simplistic in just wanting to conquer Earth and seeing Godzilla as the only viable threat. Thus goading Godzilla into fighting it by kidnapping Jr. Although this is fairly murky because of a poorly written script.

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>>14343616
We're talking about two different things. I know what Godzilla vs. SpaceGodzilla.

A Space Godzilla is pic related

>>14343299
>and someone rightfully notice that he has claws growing out of his ankles.
Any pics to show that?

>>14343634
OH that one. yeah that's an acid trip.

>>14343539
Much like the last... God knows how many entries in the Godzilla franchise, I can't see this movie achieving much if anything outside its native country, so I hope it will at least have enough of a market in Japan.

Seems like they're going all out (or more than usual), and the cross-promos are probably helping the hype, but a single misstep can cause the whole thing to underperform or, less likely, outright crash. Wonder how long the franchise in its current state would keep going if that were to happen, though, since even the American branch of the brand is having its own difficulties.

>>14343604
Barubaroi came before his time

>>14343539
Yeah, this film has some top-tier talent working on it.
The thing that I'm worried is if Higuchi is going to be competent enough to co-direct. After the shitfest that was the SnK live action, I'm worried in how he's going to handle the human characters.

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>>14344052
>>14343604
Wasn't the first American Godzilla also supposed to feature a giant shapeshifting alien monster? I think it was called the Griffon or something?

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>>14346591
>Griffon
Ayy

>>14346591
Technically, the first American Godzilla movie was supposed to be that one from the 80s. The second attempt was the one with the Gryphon, and the third is the one that actually ended up getting made.

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>>14345371
If Resurgence under performs or outright flops I wouldn't be surprised to see Evangelion 4.0 getting delayed further. So hopefully Toho manages to pull things together and deliver a strong product for the sake of both properties. It Can (Not) Fail

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I still see a squirrel with mange. Every time I look at it.

>>14346591
>No Jet Jaguar/Jet Alone
Does this make Kaji Rodan? And Toji Anguirus?

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>>14346591
these are cute as anything. I just don't know what I would do with any of them. They're not even proper key chains.

>>14347361
This is pure cancer and should be purged

>>14339164
>>14338024
The guy who posted it admitted it was fake

Kinda liked most of the ideas sadly

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>>14346591

>Asuka
>The Best Girl

Good taste Ami

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>>14346591
The Gryphon looked so much better than fucking MUTOS

I mean look at this thing, he could throw Godzilla on buildings and shit

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>>14342853
>so any word if its meltdown godzilla
I was sort of hoping it was "Gigantis" Godzilla finally free from the ice 60 years later. They both have that creepy-ass look

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>>14346652
More like Anno would come back crawling to Eva because he failed at achieving his dream.

I hope this won't be the case, not only for Anno's sake but for the tokusatsu genre's sake. Fuck Rebuild, it sucked since the first movie.

>>14351291
Dude, you high?

MUTOs looked otherworldly in that freaky alien way, a worthy addition to Godzilla bestiary - blame the perceived poor showing on Edwards direction, because the design work was there.

Gryphon, well - it looks like a typical, try-hard monster from an uninspired, eighties B-movie - definitely one of Winston's poorer showings.

Remember - this is the guy who created the Alien Queen.

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>>14351392
>Remember - this is the guy who created the Alien Queen.
It's also the guy who created Lumpy

>>14351398
Winston's Godzilla is still pretty creepy looking

>monsterarts never

>>14351392
You must be fucking retarded if you think MUTOS are original in any way. They're lame as fuck, even their "personnalities" couldn't make up for it

The Gryphon is a far more interesting design, total opposite of Godzilla, mammalian and could fly
Their showdown would've been glorious


And there's nothing wrong with the Alien Queen or Winston's designs in general.
I bet you're sucking Neville Page's cock

>>14342912
>Nausicaa ripped off Evangelion

>>14347361
>Shinji and Minilla
>The 2 most hated characters from their respective franchises on a keychain

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>>14351415
> You sound mad, bro!

Yes, in context of Godzilla franchise they're original as fuck and the 1st truly fresh design since "89.

>mammalian and could fly
Not on those tiny wings, it can't - unless this ain't his final from and the pre-production never moved far enough to produce mock-ups of it, it was supposed to transform/evolve several times from what i read...

>Their showdown would've been glorious
Godzilla's showdown against anything really, could be glorious as long a s a competent director sits behind the camera. I just don't think like "Godzilla Vs. Cheap Gozer's Keymaster Knockoff with 100% more wings!" is the best the could do, as far as design goes.

>And there's nothing wrong with the Alien Queen or Winston's designs in general.
Obviously, I cited the Alien Queen to prove that Stan Winston at top of his game - can do far better than this... crap.


>I bet you're sucking Neville Page's cock
Stop projecting, faggot.

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>>14351451
> Yes, in context of Godzilla franchise they're original as fuck and the 1st truly fresh design since "89.

>>14351459
Not the same Anon, but how original is Desu compared to Biolante? It's pretty much a demonic version of space godzilla, it even has the same tusks and similar shoulder-thingies.
It's also egdy as fuck I love it.

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>>14351485
SpaceGodzilla was a mistake
Destoroyah looks awesome. A few similarities doesn't make them that similar.
Battra is also pretty based. He's a derivative of Mothra, though still manages to be unique enough. His Imago form is a letdown though.

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>>14351451
>Not on those tiny wings, it can't - unless this ain't his final from and the pre-production never moved far enough to produce mock-ups of it, it was supposed to transform/evolve several times from what i read...

Not sure which version this is supposed to be, but from the looks of it it has larger wings.

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>>14351451

>Not on those tiny wings, it can't - unless this ain't his final from and the pre-production never moved far enough to produce mock-ups of it, it was supposed to transform/evolve several times from what i read...

Yeah because Kaiju movies are supposed to be ultra realistic

>Godzilla's showdown against anything really, could be glorious as long a s a competent director sits behind the camera. I just don't think like "Godzilla Vs. Cheap Gozer's Keymaster Knockoff with 100% more wings!" is the best the could do, as far as design goes.

The MUTOS weren't a threat in any way in 1vs1, I know it's supposed to be the point, but it's lame seeing how fast he took them individually

>Obviously, I cited the Alien Queen to prove that Stan Winston at top of his game - can do far better than this... crap.

His Godzilla design made in 1994 still tops G2014, and he's far to be worst design

>Stop projecting, faggot.

Then stop being a tasteless cunt

>>14352598
This one is a older model

This is the "final" one >>14351291
But it could've change, but the production was stopped shortly after. I think they had already build sets at this point

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>>14351282
This

Never understood how Rei can be the "best" girl, she barely say a word, never was important to the story except the weird shit at the end
And Asuka final stand was awesome

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>>14351282
That's not AmiAmi's comment, just some guy that shared their post.

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>>14351485
>>14351459
Just watched the film again last night. Desto didn't fuck around.

>starts killing even as a microscopic lifeform
>tried very hard to eat that reporter girl in its small form
>got straight to business wrecking junior when the humans directed him at it, attacked extremely aggressively
>kept junior away from Godzilla when he did show up until he had sucked the energy out of him and left him to die
>attacked Godzilla from the air, only engaged on the ground when the JGSDF fucked his wings up
>shown to be extremely powerful, carved him up fierce with its beam horn
>debatable if Godzilla could have won without the JGSDF's help at the end and him going NUCLEEAAR.
>its fucking name is engrish "Destroyer"

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Stan Winston's design for Godzilla managed to be a cool update that remained very faithful to the source material. Too bad pic related wasn't used.

>>14353776
Who the fuck thought the giant iguana was a better option? How did they manage to fuck up a Godzilla movie so badly?

>>14353776
Its so American.

>>14353780
Sony had interns problems at the time and Emmerich proposed a project that was cheaper... At the beginning

>>14353780
Jurassic Park was the highest grossing film at the time and Roland Emmerich/Dean Devlin had nothing but contempt for the franchise.

>>14353790
>>14353794
These, plus Toho had trouble trying to distribute the Heisei movies in the US, and Godzilla 1985 was less successful than hoped, whereas the reimagined Gamera movies got a low-key but well-received release even in the US. Between this and general audiences ridiculing the old Showa movies, people at Sony automatically assumed that the Japanese Godzilla was impossible to market outside of Japan without a radical redesign.

The dinoguana look was basically Emmerich's way of forcing Toho into a corner -- they either accept his proposal and cut the micromanaging bullshit, or reject him and pass up yet another opportunity to break into Hollywood. ID4 was also successful as hell, so they gave him the benefit of doubt.

>>14353776
I like that much better than the duck-faced photo. Would like it even better if it had a more Godzilla-like skin texture rather than generic scales.

>>14353817
Which was fucking retarded because it was nothing like Godzilla

But it's really confusing because at the time there was the american comics and toys that were very popular

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>>14353817
> Godzilla 1985 was less successful than hoped
> Toho had trouble trying to distribute the Heisei movies in the US
> whereas the reimagined Gamera movies got a low-key but well-received release even in the US
Hmm... wonder if they ever considered that the films they were cranking out weren't up to par?

> general audiences ridiculing the old Showa movies
Vs Megalon was responsible for this reputation in the West. Somehow, it got to be the film with the most promotion.

>>14353847
>Hmm... wonder if they ever considered that the films they were cranking out weren't up to par?
Let's be honest, it was more important for them to consider if it was a good idea or not to make Godzilla vs. King Ghidorah about evil future Americans and their diabolical plot to destroy Japan's economic miracle, and then also for added measure include a scene where Godzilla heroically kills a bunch of American soldiers and saves an Imperial Japanese regiment.

Godzilla could have kept on coasting stateside on low-cost, low-distribution business model for steady, if small, returns. Instead they went with, "On second thought, fuck America."

>>14353825
Hell, even Emmerich was aware how much kids liked Godzilla, but in his own admission, he couldn't understand it.

Back in the 80s, the reason America didn't get to make a Godzilla movie was because the studios didn't see a potential to reach a more adult market. Everyone thought only kids liked Godzilla. Then TriStar hired a director who said he didn't understand kids, nor did he want to appeal to nostalgic adults, and they had him produce... a juvenile as fuck movie with tons of merchandise targeted at kids.

They took a nostalgic property aiming to remove the nostalgia factor and promoted it towards kids without understanding what they liked about it in the first place.

I almost started wondering whether Emmerich's heritage would have factored into things, being German and all. But then I remembered Germany is apparently one of the few places outside Japan and the stated where Godzilla was fairly popular. They even released some of the Heisei movies there while the US didn't get them.

>>14353847
>Hmm... wonder if they ever considered that the films they were cranking out weren't up to par?
For what it's worth, Japanese critics said at the time that their film industry was at a creative lowpoint. Heisei Godzilla movies were too foreign and low-tech for mass distribution. And it didn't help that some thought that movies like G vs. King Ghidorah promoted anti-western sentiment. Though by that point, Toho wasn't even thinking of American distribution, they just made the movies strictly for Japanese audiences.

>Vs Megalon was responsible for this reputation in the West. Somehow, it got to be the film with the most promotion.
Yeah, even the VHS became public domain for a while, so every chain started selling it.

>>14353875
They could've changed the nationality of the bad guys

And reshoots a few scenes for international exploitation

>>14353875
Also there was a scene where Ghidorah flew up and zapped the atomic bomb memorial in Hiroshima

vs King Ghidorah was not a subtle movie

>>14353938
Still the best Heisei movie

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>>14353903
> For what it's worth, Japanese critics said at the time that their film industry was at a creative lowpoint.
But Toho wasn't even trying. Shusuke Kaneko's Gamera Trilogy was made on a considerably smaller budget and they improved with each installment. Meanwhile, the Heisei Godzilla films declined with every entry. Shōgo Tomiyama, Tomoyuki Tanaka's successor as producer of the Godzilla films, actually admitted to being jealous of the quality of the competition. I think he was the one who recruited Kaneko for GMK after G2000 and Megaguirus didn't perform like Toho wanted. And what do you know, GMK was the most successful Godzilla film of the Millennium Era. It probably could have been better if Kaneko had more time like he wanted.

And let's take a moment to honor the man responsible for Godzilla having so much of a presence in the West. Henry Saperstein.

>>14353956
Based Henry. Too bad even he wasn't on top of the distributing game, but movies were a messy business even back then, especially when it came to niche markets like Godzilla and monster flicks in general.


Thinking back, this franchise has always had shitty luck when it tried to reach outside its homeland.

In the US, where it's had a long history and a prominent fandom, fucking Godzilla vs Megalon was easiest to come by, a quick and sloppy cash-grab that wasn't even meant to be part of the series. For a very long time people couldn't even see the original movies, just the American versions, many of which were inferior. With this in mind, it's no wonder Sony/TriStar wanted to shake up things with a drastic change.

And ironically, on a worldwide scale, fucking Godzilla 1998 became by far the most widely distributed, most promoted and easily accessible movie for over one and a half decade. Most American fans tend to understate its impact, but the movie did way more damage than some care to realize. So with all this shit piled up, all these blunders in distributing, marketing and movie making, the franchise has a loose footing even in today's world.

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>>14353993
Didn't Godzilla movies do good business in the West back in the 60s and 70s? Only one or two movies didn't get an American theatrical distribution. A solid success rate for a foreign property with fifteen films. And I know people are harsh on the American edits, but some are quite good. Examples: King of the Monsters, Godzilla vs The Thing, Ghidrah, and Monster Zero.

G98 was expected to outdo Jurassic Park. Instead it was universally derided and only barely made a profit. And you're right, Godzilla's popularity had been growing stateside before G98. Everything crashed and burned afterwards. Then Toho flooded the Japanese market with mediocre movies and killed the genre for over a decade.

Now here we are in 2016. The future of Legendary's trilogy is uncertain and rumors about Resurgence aren't the most inspiring.

>>14354035
What rumors about Resurgence ?

If you're talking about the "parasite leaks" it was a fake

>>14353686
You forgot about the chest beam that he has in the deleted scenes

>>14354035
>Didn't Godzilla movies do good business in the West back in the 60s and 70s?
Yeah, but there were still occasionally hindrances, like the brainless localization and promotion of Raids Again, or some movies getting released late (like when Nick Adams died).

Also, by the time the kaiju genre really hit its stride, monster movies were already losing audiences in the West. Later movies had poorer dub jobs on top of being questionable films in terms of quality to begin with, and a lot of people simply lumped them together with other, shittier monster movies. A lot of negativity stemmed from this era, which then bled over into the 80s (even the guys in charge of localizing G85 couldn't take the brand seriously and almost turned the US version into a borderline comedy) and 90s.

But that's only the American side of things, I was thinking more in global terms. I read an opinion piece from a European G-fan a while ago, which posits that G98 made big business there because audiences had little to no exposure to the original movies and thus couldn't give less of a shit about how faithful it was to its source material. Many were actually glad that it was different, because they dismissed the Japanese films outright. This could explain the discrepancy between the movie's horrid reception in the US and Japan (where many people knew and loved Godzilla) and its success in other places. I mean, yeah, it still made far less than anticipated, but it was the 3rd highest grossing movie of the year, and audiences in other countries fucking ate it up.

This is the damage I was referring to. That to this day G98 is considered "the" Godzilla in some markets, and people aren't as accepting of the original movies or the more respectful adaptations. Similar to how G98 was a failure in the US, apparently G14 also did badly elsewhere. And I'm thinking Resurgence could add to the confusion even if it's not given a wide release. So yeah, the franchise is still not in the clear.

>>14354312
At worst G2014 was mixed

But it made well enough for WB to launch a Kaiju Cinematic Universe

Also Frenchfag here, I'm pissed because we never really had Godzilla movies or Kaiju movies in general but in the 80/90's and even now we are flooded with Dragon Ball Z, One Piece etc... It's hugely popular and inspired many french artists (just look at Code Lyoko for example)

>>14354238
Extensive re-shoots and replacing practical effects with CGI,

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>>14354364
Not just that. Based on Shinji Higuchi's comments, it sounds like they're scrambling to get things done. He admitted that under normal circumstances there would be more to show by this point and that they are working tirelessly to make a good product. When you think about it, we don't know a whole lot besides production details. Makes me wonder how far behind they might be. Delaying it is not an option. Too close to release date for something of this magnitude and Toho has promises to honor. Still, I'm sincerely hoping they pull things together.

>>14354364
>replacing practical effects with CGI

Disgusting.

>>14354364
Reshoots is becoming a "normal" thing these days

Maybe Anno made some choices Toho didn't approve, just look how far he can go with Evangelion

Didn't know about the CGI thing, but wasn't it supposed to be a mix between practical and CGI?

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>>14354514
> Maybe Anno made some choices Toho didn't approve, just look how far he can go with Evangelion
Toho knew this when they hired him. Seeing how successful the Rebuilds have been, I think I'll side with Anno on this one.

> Didn't know about the CGI thing, but wasn't it supposed to be a mix between practical and CGI?
Reportedly the puppet failed special effects tests. But there will still be some practical effects sprinkled throughout.

>>14354535
If I recall the animatronic of G84 didn't well worked really at the time either

Honestly I hated the rebuild trilogy

>>14354335
Being Euro kaijufag is suffering.

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>>14354587
better than being one exposed to intense fan hate from Toho Kingdom

>>14354587
It's even worst if you want to collect figures and stuff
Even in anime shops you can't find shit

I was lucky enough some years ago to find a lot of bandai vinyls for cheap, now they cost an arm

>>14354607
Good thing I gave up on the idea of collecting kaiju merch.

I remember seeing only one official Godzilla figure in my life, it belonged to a classmate who always got cool shit from his relatives in the US. But back then I wasn't into this stuff, didn't even look at it up close, I only knew that it was some sort of "old Godzilla".

Ever since then, nothing, didn't even see any type of merch for the '14 movie.

>>14354801
I was lucky enough to buy a G2014 vinyl figure on Amazon before the price increases

Now I'm extra careful about the stuff I want, to be sure to get it online before it's going at after market prices

>>14354940
This is why I don't really go to kaiju threads on /toy/, all those figures I can't get look too tantalizing. And why I don't care about home video releases or news about G Resurgence's possible distribution and other licensing stuff. None of those will ever get anywhere near me, so why would I bother.

Which might be for the best. Maybe it's better to have no kaiju products than it is to deal with typical euro-plebs and drooling normie kiddies who only ever saw G98 shitting all over them. G14's release was by far the most retarded period I ever experienced with any kaiju related stuff because of them, and I dread the sequel.

>>14353938
>Also there was a scene where Ghidorah flew up and zapped the atomic bomb memorial in Hiroshima
Kek, I remember picking up on that even as a kid.

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Toho strikes again: Resurgence isn't connected to any previous Godzilla film. This will be the monster's first appearance in this universe.

http://www.scifijapan.com/articles/2016/06/13/godzilla-resurgence-exclusive-high-res-photos-from-toho/

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>>14356321

Which kinda of make sense because it's the tallest Godzilla so far, if it was the same Godzilla as G54 he would be only 50 m tall

So now I'm even more curious of the choice of this design

>>14356321
>Those thighs
THICC

>>14356321
I swear, every time I see that design from a new angle, I always fluctuate wildly between liking and disliking it.

But hey, if it's a new Godzilla, cool. Could mean that the movie will be less bogged down by what has come before. This franchise is always juggling between hesitantly trying out new things and sticking to well-worn ideas. Wonder how this is gonna turn out.

>>14356516
it wouldn't be the first time that he was much bigger when he came back

only a couple of millennium flicks kept him 50m

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"Godzilla exists in a world of science fiction, not only of dreams and hopes, but he's a caricature of reality, a satire, a mirror image. Recently, Japan has also been careless in the way it has attempted to depict him."- Anno Hideaki

"I’ll give you the greatest worst nightmare"- Shinji Higuchi

What did they mean by this?

>>14356669
Yeah but G54 is a specimen of Godzilla

Everytime "he" came back it was another one

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>>14356516
Is there supposed to be another monster in this film?

I kinda hope it's just Godzilla vs the Army. Always enjoyed it, like in Godzilla 84 were they just make cool scifi shit to fight him like the Super X.

>>14356686
wrong

>>14356684
>Anno gives a short but deep hindsight about the place of Godzilla on the Japanese pop culture and how the commercialism had defanged him.
>Higuchi basically says lel muh monster is big and scary
As expected from the master

>>14356705
It's true

Everytime they retcon the ending of G54

This Godzilla was supposed to be the original stil hurts by the oxygen destroyer. Guess it's not true anymore

>>14356700
I don't think so

His design isn't really suited for fighting

>>14356684
>What did they mean by this?
That Emmerich was right after all. That the recent Japan movies were wrong and that they want to tap into the fears of fans to satirize the genre. Godzilla's tailtip will evolve into Zilla, and Godzilla will in return disappear into Zilla's ass. It's symbolic.

>>14356902
Everyone would've been fine if they just adapted Godzilla The Series into film

I don't understand how a blockbuster director don't see the appeal of 2 giants monsters fighting in New York

But he's gay and German, so...

>>14356889
it wasn't "supposed to be" anything, the oxygen destroyer regeneration was just fan speculation regading the design, nothing more

>>14356910
That's why I said "It's not true anymore"

I used to think it was in a synopsis or some shit. But yeah it was probably Tohokingdom's retards that said it

>>14356909
>I don't understand how a blockbuster director don't see the appeal of 2 giants monsters fighting in New York
Because there's this mentality that stuff like that is stupid and kiddie and makes people think of "shitty old rubber monster movies". It's the same reason why I saw some normalfags complain about Godzilla fighting other monsters, because it reminded them of Syfy movies, since those are the only points of reference they have. They're too close-minded to give giant monster fights a chance.

>>14356937
To be fair, not even Japan cares about 2 giant monsters fighting anymore.

>>14356950
Ultraman is still popular

There's a new Gamera movie coming

So I guess it's still popular

>>14356950
Hard to blame them after 23 years of movies ranging from mediocre to bad, barring a few exceptions. G98 was really the turning point. Afterwards, everything went gradually downhill until exploding in 2004 with the abysmal reception of Godzilla Final Wars. Gamera the Brave bombed two years later. But Ultraman managed to get by fairly well.

>>14356954
Gamera is stuck in pre-production and desperate need of funding, no guarantee the full movie will happen anytime soon

>>14356966
They always wait until the new Godzilla comes out

Plus the movie is almost all CGI

>>14356970
actually they always wait until Godzilla dies down

the concept flick is all CGI (and looks fucking terible), no info how the actual movie would be

>>14356978
Godzilla vs Gamera never

>>14356964
Final Wars was objectively shit though. Practically unwatchable without heavy nostalgia goggles.

>>14356996
GFW is probably the best movie to introduce to someone who never watched Kaiju Eiga

All my friends loved it

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>>14357025
My problem with it was largely expecting a godzilla movie and instead getting commisar pornstache and his matrix buddies fistfighting on motorcycles for the majority of the movie. Fun to watch with some alcohol for company, but not a great Godzilla movie imo, as much as I liked the designs for Monster X and Kaiser Ghidora and even enjoyed the wire fights. It just felt like it was trying to do sentai or something whilst also trying to be a Godzilla movie.

>>14357033
bad for a Godzilla movie

fucking abysmal for the 50th anniversary Godzilla movie

>>14357042
fucking amazing for the 50th anniversary Godzilla movie*

>>14357051
Let's be honest. It was a bad movie. Tried too hard to appeal to the younger demographic. Blew its budget on expensive location shooting, which it doesn't do much with. Some of the monster redesigns were kind of bad. Borrowed more from American popular culture than the Heisei films. But it's perfectly fine if it entertains you.

>>14357080
It's just a "hate it or love it" movie

There's no middle ground with GFW. There's some discutable choices about this movie, but you can't make the same shit over and over again

>>14356700
Some signs (and by some, I mean only) point to another monster(s). That being the whole Kaiju A & B vinyls that are being released after the film. It at least says to me that something else maybe in this movie. Maybe.

>>14357143
Yeah

It's gonna be some reissue toys

>>14353956
>Henry Saperstein

i thought the jews feared the samurai.

>>14356321

he looks like a hamburger dildo.

>>14357224
Maybe, but I cannot buy into mystery reissues.

>>14354464
>>14354364
>>14354514
And finishing movies at the last minute is pretty common too. The Lord of the Rings movies were all completed hours before their premieres. Even the original Fantasia had to shoot that Ave Maria thing at the end like three times to get it right because the first time they had a fucked up lens and the second time there was an earthquake with the final cut of the movie just making it to the world premiere.

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>>14356954
>Ultraman is still popular
Only among his aging autistic fanbase that can't let their childhood go

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>>14357658
>tfw Ultraman will literally die with his Japanese fanbase in a few decades
I'm not ready for this.

>>14357269
The English dub added an American reporter via edition to give the American audience a character they could relate to. Also, the dub was infamous for not knowing what the hell the characters were saying and just guessing

>>14357670
He didn't save a damn thing!

>>14357670
>>14357658
Ultraman is doing that poorly?

>>14357403
Wasn't that the way with Star Wars, too? Like, last reel is on the way over when first reel starts spinning?

Hey /m/

Why isn't there going to be a Western release of this movie?

Doesn't Toho know Godzilla made crazy amounts of shekels in 2014?

>>14357658
>>14357670
>>14357693
I could see that Spielberg adaptation of Ready Player One helping give Ultraman a jolt if they actually get the rights to all those various properties featured within.

If it succeeds, it might even let Will Smith achieve that dream of playing him in an American Ultraman movie.

>>14357670
Asians are the closest thing to real life elves so the aging autistic fanbase may actually outlive us, despite their unhealthy way of life

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>>14357715
>If it succeeds, it might even let Will Smith achieve that dream of playing him in an American Ultraman movie.
but Sompote Sands already said that was happening! You trust him, don't you?

>>14337774
>He looks like a tasty brisket.
Would Godzilla meat be any good?

>>14357709
Because murricans like Asian things, not Asian people. Things got worse after 9/11 and diversity only mean more niggers on secondary roles

>>14357709
Toho did take a promo reel to AFM last November, but no distributor was interested in the movie apparently

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>>14357709
Western companies are probably playing it safe and waiting to see how Resurgence fares in its own country. If the movie gets positive feedback and makes good money, I don't see any reason not to give it a limited release stateside. Well, no reason besides potential confusion between it and Legendary's series. But aforementioned release would only really get the attention of the fans, people already in the know. So, it should be fine.

>>14357715
Will Smith wants to be an American Ultraman? I wonder why this hasn't happened yet. You would think he'd have the clout to things off the ground. Isn't he responsible for the Karate Kid remake?

>>14357745
Cause it was a rumor and attempt by Chaiyo to make a new Ultraman movie.

>>14357693
No it's not. They're barely doing the 'please buy our toys' now.

>>14357745
>I wonder why this hasn't happened yet
I love Ultraman as much as the next nerd, but let's be realistic.
It's a legacy series so they're gonna want a shitload of money for Hollywood to make the rights.
There's a legal battle waiting for you when Chaiyo steps up as soon as you sign the deal with Tsuburaya Pro or vice versa.
Then whatever bullshit to get in China.
And even in its homeland the franchise is not always a great performer, financially.

I could certainly see an Ultraman movie doing well, but there's enough hurdles to clear to make it happen that I can understand why an exec would just move on to a different franchise without as many challenges to overcome.

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>>14357783
>it's a weeboo claim to know more about the industry than the people working inside the industry episode

>>14357793
I forgot about the rights dispute. Yeah, sounds like a legal nightmare. Well, there's always Gamera geting a Hollywood remake. Or maybe Kadokawa should look into co-productions with American studios. Add willing, somewhat notable Western actors/actresses for more of a international appeal and pump $30-$40 million into the project.

>>14357709
Because no one would care about the movie outside of the fans.

I really liked the first Godzilla film.

However, just one question:

How does it make sense to metaphorically punish the nation who got nuked twice for the horrors of the atom bomb?

You'd think Godzilla would lash out at some of the other countries in the world, and you'd think the Japanese would y'know, stop appearing so guilty for being nuked.

>>14354535
Rebuilds are garbage. Their financial success rides entirely upon good advertising and a good name, the third one is a flop in terms of consumer approval.

>>14358077
Women liked it and they're like half of the audience of Evangelion on Japan. The Asukafags like 3.33 too, even if they admit it could be better, like killing Kaworu earlier and giving more screentime to their waifu who looks so KAWAII!!!! on her new hat.

The rebuilds are garbage but Anno would never get Toho's approval without them.

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>>14353091
Rei says less than Asuka, but what Rei says is more important, true and meaningful than what Asuka says.It's 100x "Anta Baka" vs 10x solid observations and helpful comments.

Plus Rei is more important to the story than Asuka is by a lot, she's the foundation for the entire human race, the tensions between father and son and a huge example of the frailty of the soul, plus a major decisionmaker.

Asuka isn't best girl, she's just fanservice action girl. Rei is a literal goddess.

>>14358092
I don't really know if the Rebuilds are weighing in positively, after all the story concerning his hire is a bit different, as I remember it was the more experienced FX-guy Shinji Higuchi who practically made the whole thing possible through lobbying. I may be wrong here, though.

Regardless, losing half your audience like you said definitely isn't a good thing. Rebuild ended up being garbage by pointlessly pandering to the people you mentioned.

It could very well have kept it's entire audience while also trying a bit harder with it's story and plot. Watching it was for the majority an insincere experience that sadly left most people thinking this one was "just for the otaku". So if there is anyone smart at TOHO, the Rebuilds wouldn't be a bonus but rather proof of risk in allowing Anno too much freedom.

>>14358117
The Rebuilds were huge hits on Japan and Anno only made indie ultra-low budget movies after Eva. After Rebuild, Anno got some mainstream recognition and the big shots of the industry started to see him as someone they can trust millions. Definitely the Rebuilds were a huge influence on Anno's hiring.

>>14358152
He's already made Evangelion prior to the Rebuilds, a monster of a mainstream franchise and shown that he can do administrative tasks. I don't see why anyone would need re-convincing. Rather Rebuild lets down much of it's mainstream fanbase.

>>14358072
G isn't punishment targeting a specific nation, he's an aftershock and another sufferer of the bomb

Japan appears wise and stong at the end, with Serizawa's self-sacrifice ensuring that the nation's own super-weapon will never be used again

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>>14358117
When looking purely at the financial side of matters, the Rebuilds have been an amazing success. Each outdid its predecessor in terms of gross. Between this and the killing undoubtedly made from merchandise has allowed Anno to fund others projects and give lesser names an opportunity to shine. Good all around.

The only Rebuild I was left disappointed by was 3.0. Yes, the films sacrifice some of the atmospheric nature for more action and mainstream appeal. However, it's not an unforgivable offense. Since MAL is one of the larger online anime communities, I'll use its stats. Looking at how users rated the first two installments of Rebuild and the television series, it seems they are all liked almost equally. 2.0 is actually ranked slightly higher than NGE, although keep in mind the former has 100,000 less votes. Personally, I don't think the Rebuilds reach the artistic heights of NGE. But they're perfectly entertaining films and haven't really damaged the legacy of NGE.

Be honest, which is the better movie? Godzilla vs Megaguirus or You Are (Not) Alone? Would most people rather watch Godzilla Final Wars or You Can (Not) Advance?

>>14358171
What mainstream fanbase? Nobody gives a shit about Anno works post-Eva and this is coming from someone who fucking love his post-Eva works, especially the live action movies. Karekano was a rating failure before Tsuda ruined the show and who the hell watched Re Cutie Honey and the live action movie?

As you say, Toho saw Anno can do administrative tasks and that's very important for working on big budget projects. Besides, everyone knows Anno is a huge tokufag and Godzilla need some prestigious name behind after the biggest gap ever and Japan not giving a shit about kaijus anymore

>>14358250
I'd watch paint dry rather than You Are (Not) Alone.

ANNO
WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MR_Q_rS3MmU

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>>14356902
>Godzilla's tailtip will evolve into Zilla, and Godzilla will in return disappear into Zilla's ass. It's symbolic.
Hell I'd watch that as long as the cinematography was tastefully done.

>>14358840
My biggest questions of the film are:
>Why does Godzilla have this appearance?
>What is up with the glow and the glowing tip of his tail.
>Why is Godzilla even going through Japan.

Also semi new footage:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmyJ-fpFsWs

>>14359664
Finally, Kaiju B - Judas... REVEALED

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>>14359701
>mfw Alphagon/Judas will never be more than just false Rumors.
>Fan artwork will never be made of them.
>Red will always be the fan favorite Godzilla "Horror" monster.

>>14359664
I really like the way he moves

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>>14359664
>What is up with the glow

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>>14359761
Reminds me of a Serial Killer slow walk.

>>14359701
>>14359734
>TK cancer

lads pls

>>14359821
>A Literal man/monster exiting a Godzilla/Godzilla Suit as a movie concept and monster reveal.
>Name of the monster coming out of the Back of Godzilla named, "Judas", the man who "Stabbed Jesus in the back"/Betrayed.

Cancer or not, that's fucking cool and right up Anno's alley.

>>14358250
>However, it's not an unforgivable offense.

Spoken like your typical retarded waifufag.

>>14359831
The idea was fucking awesome

But all the "angels" references are too fucking obvious. So yeah it's fake

>>14359815
Didn't know GMK and G2000 were so small

>>14359831
how's being 14?

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>>14359849
The Monster(s) and Introduction was awesome, but the rest of a fake Script was retarded.

It's kinda odd seeing Showa Godzilla, and comparing him to Heisei, then looking and seeing G14 and Shin Godzilla.
Just imagine how tall the buildings not would dwarf any Godzilla below 100 meters Tall.

Just like how the original script for G14 had Godzilla at 600 feet tall, and how in comparison to this, it can almost be justified.

>>14359860
100 m is a perfect size I think

But I'm not really a fan of Godzilla being dwarfed by his foes, like MechaGodzilla or SpaceGodzilla

>>14359865
100m seems to be the golden number for Godzilla.

The only monsters that should ever be taller than Godzilla are:
>King Ghidorah
>Biollante
>Destroyah

I've always liked it when Godzilla has to fight smaller foes like GMKzilla and Baragon, or Kumonga. It mades for interesting fights where both sides are at disadvantages for different reasons.

>>14359870
This

I would love to see a real physical fight against a powerful foe like Bagan, he's a really missed opportunity of arch nemesis

>>14359873
Bagan was the problem child of Toho that just never worked out.

People will always want what they cant have, and Bagan is the poster child of this problem.
I used to like Bagan as this monster who was meant to be powerful, but just didn't make the cut, but now he's become pure cancer in the fanbase.

The creators of "Godzilla: The Game" stated that if the first game did well, that they considered Bagan as a Final boss for a Sequel, and you know how "Well" that game and its PS4 version did.

Even if Bagan finally made an official reappearance, it would never be good enough or "Done Right".

>>14358250
3.0 really was an unforgivable offense once you understand the depth of it's crime.

It's very much related to the picture you posted. Anno could never get over the fact that Rei was so much more loved and critically acclaimed than Asuka, and well, the rest. But the thing is that all of NGE's characters were honestly and respectfully developed, so the love for Rei/Asuka/Misato etc.. was all genuine, and the audience's opinion of them was fair and educated.

He couldn't deal with that, and chose to reduce Evangelion into his own sadistic revenge fantasy, to subtly change the audience opinion so he'd feel more secure. The cost of it was the integrity of his franchise.

>>14360269
>He couldn't deal with that, and chose to reduce Evangelion into his own sadistic revenge fantasy,
you mean like when he did exactly that in EoE and had all the characters either die horribly or literally fall apart like inhuman things?

>>14360307
No at all, and if you're serious then both you and I watched totally different series. NGE runs twenty six episodes long, and gives it's characters full attention to the point of dropping regular storytelling. End of Evangelion is brutal, but more than fair to it's characters. Characters like Rei are given great treatment in it, and gets to fulfill her "destiny" as developed in the series.

Compare that to 3.0 which drops all focus on character and story substance, leaving us only with aesthetic designs and moe cliches, each specifically designed to make characters popular or unpopular, with nothing else to contribute.

>>14360323
The characters were already reduced to moe archetypes on 2.0, arguably 1.0 already started with the shonenfication of the Eva universe, but fans didn't complain because it gave them what they always wanted

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FckkZihQUaU

Anyway, 3.0 is beyond terrible but that doesn't mean 2.0 was good

>>14360403
>The characters were already reduced to moe archetypes on 2.0, arguably
Anyone who argues that would be wrong. In both 1.0 and 2.0 they've got character arcs, progressions and future fallpits to discover/explore. If you've watched the original Evangelion, you'd know that it's quite similar in this aspect.

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>>14359870
> The only monsters that should ever be taller than Godzilla are: King Ghidorah, Biollante, Destoroyah

Why not pic related?

>>14360417
I agree with this guy.

>>14360819
>> The only monsters that should ever be taller than Godzilla are: King Ghidorah, Biollante, Destoroyah
What about Bagan and Baruaroi, Bagan was 140m, and judging from scale Barubaroi would have been 200m AT L:EAST

>>14360819
I don't know, but it feels weird that Godzilla's "clones" are taller than him

Just like the Godzilla in Godzilla x Mechagodzilla was a great design, but he looked like a angry manlet all the time

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1XtFOUd13Y
Remember that time Godzilla ate Las Vegas?

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If Evangelion was made today, there would be a lot of episodes where the restraining armor breaks in fanservice style.

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Does this look promising, anons? Better than what we got 12 years ago? And do you think this is CGI or a suit/puppet?

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Since Godzilla Resurgence opens the weekend after One Piece Film: Gold, I decided to look at some box office numbers to see what to expect. Didn't adjust for inflation. Numbers from Box Office Mojo.

Last Godzilla film: Godzilla (2014) - $29,930,046
Last Japanese Godzilla film: Godzilla Final Wars (2004) - $9,133,840
Last Once Piece film: One Piece Film Z (2012) - $72,834,411
Last Evangelion film: You Can (Not) Redo (2012) - $59,891,241

All of the highest grossing films in the last several years have made around $100 million. Barring a few exceptions, these films have either been foreign (specifically Disney) or Studio Ghilbi.

No pressure.

As a side note, Gamera the Brave only made $2,654,792 in 2006. I knew it failed. But that's rough.

>>14363113
>Last Godzilla film: Godzilla (2014) - $29,930,046
Less than G98?

>>14363155
G98 is estimated to have made $25,000,000 in Japan according to Tohokingdom. But I'm assuming those numbers are unadjusted for inflation.

Let's switch over to see how G98 and G14 did in the US. Unadjusted for inflation, G98 made $136,314,294 and G14 made $200,676,069. Apparently when you take inflation into account, G98 made $249,376,700 and G14 $206,845,100. These numbers are from Box Office Mojo.

>>14363207
>G98 is estimated to have made $25,000,000 in Japan according to Tohokingdom. But I'm assuming those numbers are unadjusted for inflation.

For what it's worth, this often linked-to article, http://www.scifijapan.com/articles/2015/05/31/godzilla-unmade-the-history-of-jan-de-bonts-unproduced-tristar-film-part-4-of-4/ says it made $33.1 million. Some other sources give it as $31 million, so these are likely adjusted numbers.

Interesting to see these comparisons.

>>14363235
Toho was responsible for the Attack on Titan duology, so we should examine those too. Will be using Box Office Mojo numbers again. According to Wikipedia, the combined budget was ¥3 billion or around $28 million.

Japan
Part 1: $25,786,343
Part 2: $13,232,553

United States
Part 1: $449,523
Part 2: $305,934

>>14363013
looks nice and smooth but I really wish his head showed some range of motion

>>14363522

i agree, but thinking back, has there been a g suit that really ever let his head turn?

>>14363565
I believe the Heisei suit had a motorized head in one or two movies.

>>14363623

Minor articulation in G84. Full articulation in Vs. Biollante and Vs. King Ghidorah - additionally aided by a 30ft tall, advanced animatronic puppet in "84 and more reasonable "shoulders up" animatronic puppets with wide range of facial articulation for subsequent two movies.
Suit was stolen during a break in, and in subsequent movies a cheaper replacement was used - an able eye will notice that Godzilla got suddenly FAT, a different configuration back-plates and generally a lesser amount of detailing.
The animatronic heads also fell in disuse - probably - fell apart and were never rebuilt(the suit material is very fragile and prone to quick rot)

>>14363754
>Suit was stolen during a break in
so with this and Leopardon, do thieves sneak in under dark of night, or is it just where you walk in like you're supposed to be there and get it done before anybody thinks to question you

>>14363788
Dunno, all i saw were archival information and the pictures of the dilapidated, rotten suit, dumped at a riverbank - possibly after realizing that nobody will buy it as a display piece to incriminate themselves.

>>14363788
From what I know, a lot of workers hated handling the suits, so maybe they just let any random fag walk out with one.

>>14363268
Woah, the budget was huge for a Japanese production.

>>14359815
You know, those thick thighs actually make it look like all if his meat is melting off down to the legs

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>>14359815
Better chart here

>>14364680
Those darker lines around his shoulders and the way he holds his hands make Resurgence look like he's wearing suspenders.

>>14364680
Godzilla '74, where the fuck are you going?

>>14364680
Is there a canon explanation to the size changes between the Toho films?

>>14365840

different continuities.

>>14365848
1984-1991 was the same continuity, but after they altered the past in Godzilla vs. King Ghidorah they ended up with a bigger Godzilla.

>>14337774
when does this come out? I'd like to torrent that

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>>14365815
That specific suit made its debut in Destroy All Monsters in 1968. It was last used in Godzilla vs Gigan in 1972. Not sure why it's listed as 1974, there was another suit by then.

Godzilla 2000's absence is pretty jarring. But overall the chart seems well made.

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>>14365966

so basically when Anno was a kid he had a creepy idea about Ultraman's suit ripped off and it being creepy flesh under it and he's been making it ever since?

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>>14365977
Yeah. Not sure how that got approved.

>>14365966

i actually approved of that parasite spoiler because he wouldn't look like a fucking HAMBURGER DILDO the entire movie.

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>>14366011
Yeah however the swerve goes I hope it involves him getting into normal Godzilla form and then it is the legendary go time

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>>14366011
>>14366021
Almost anything is on the table at this point because Anno wrote it and details about the film have been scarce.

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>>14366038
Also, is this a coincidence?

>>14366080
Ah, bullshit, man.

But yeah, maybe. Too bad they can't keep the immortal line from the dub in the Japanese dialogue.

>>14364680
How much bigger is he gonna get? In 20 years' time, will there be a Godzilla movie where he's so big that people will fight him in space by dropping colonies at him?

>>14365815
Zone Fighter needs help.
Or there's an alien about to attack the Earth.
Or there's a second banana monster in trouble.
Or there's a little girl who doesn't appreciated the importance of brushing your teeth.

Really he's got a busy schedule.

>>14365840
>>14365890
Different continuities but also that the models made for these film became more expensive. So to cut costs they made smaller models which in turn made the Godzilla suit/actor appear larger.

>>14366158
Waiting for Devil Godzilla that absorbs shit with nanomachines until it's read to devour Earth

>>14360323
EVERYTIME evangelion is brought up someone says something almost exactly like this. Are you the same person? Have you been saying this for 3 years now? I just don't even care about my opinion on it anymore I just have to know what is up with this guy or if I'm crazy or not.

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>>14366182
That mixed with the fact that since the Showa series buildings in japan got much larger, so they had to scale up Godzilla so he still looked threatening, not dwarfed by the new architecture

>>14339331
STANDING

>>14365977
>Niggerzilla,..
c'mon - tell me i'm not the only one who sees a nigger here.

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>>14366453
I kinda like the thought of ghidorah having different personalities for each head, happy ghidorah, angry ghidorah, retarded ghidorah.

>>14356321
dem hipps pls

>>14366593
no, you're the only one

>>14366854
That's actually been on my mind too, unrelated to that picture.

But for me, the middle head is the angry one.

>>14367399
well It got blown the fuck up, I should hope it'd be angry

>>14367399
The middle head is still bitter about that time that they wrote him out of the movie and recast his part as a robot head because he asked for too much money.

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Who would be Godzilla'a GF?
pic related

>>14367591

some tumblr donut steel?

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>>14367591
He can only be happy with himself.

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>>14367591
what a cutie

>>14367591
Can Godzilla even breed?
Species propagates through adoption.

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>>14367591
His half-sister, like a true Japanese.

>>14368153
Godzilla isn't big enough to satisfy her.

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>>14367591

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>>14368188
>200000 tons

>>14368405
Hold up. If plants have boy and girl parts and Godzilla is a boy, shouldn't Biollante be a boy?

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>>14368490
She's only mostly plant.
She's also part reptile and part human
And humans only have two genders

She also has a human soul thrown in there somewhere, so its safe to assume she's female. Roses are traditionally a symbol of femininity anyways, which is the first form we see her in.

>>14368813
>TR note: Rose means Bara

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>>14342375
>If you look closely, you can pinpoint the exact moment where Godzilla's heart breaks and he starts going into meltdown

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>>14366169
>Zone Fighter
What a mediocre toku series that ruined one of my favorite movie villains.

What do TKers think of ZF anyway?

>>14365815
He's trying to get away from Zilla, obviously.

>>14367608
that's malachite from steven universe

>>14368934
never seen it, like Goji fans SU fandom seems okay with sending its exile members to suicide inducing social conditions so I don't watch it mainly because of that.

>>14368967
It's a good show, just ignore the fandom and you're set

>>14368967
sometimes I wonder how TK would react if that guy legitimately killed himself, wasn't he around since 2005?

>>14369009
The sentai reviews on Henshin Justice would have stopped at Kakuranger, you can tell he was mentally destroyed after a while.

so is this thread dead yet?

>>14369057
Well there's no information on Resurgence and there hasn't been anything in forever, so there's no a ton to say once we've cycled through the weekly, "Ugh! The new design is so ugly!"

Is anybody taking odds on the movie getting pushed back past its planned release date, given how little has been released this late into production?

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Where would Godzilla be on here?

>>14368813
Don't forget Dr. Shiragami referred to Biollante as a she consistently. Even factoring in that it is [[CURRENT YEAR]], that's pretty decisive evidence.

Now lets get back to speculating over burnt toast Goji before the tranny mods call us shitlords and send us on vacation.

If there's something strange in the neighborhood, who you gonna call?

>>14370849
Ghostbusters! (which is likely /m/)

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So, who wants the GIFT OF ZEGAPAIN?

Almost to the bump limit

>>14370858
Aaaaaaaaaaand I forgot we added like 10 posts to that, fudge.

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Godzilla vs. Orochi when?

what kind of whales do kaiju like to munch on? You think they also eat calamari?

>>14370875
I think some dude calculated how much Godzilla 1998 should eat to stay alive

He would kill all sea life within weeks

>>14371225
>1998/GINO/Zilla
>He

>>14371295
HAS

>>14370862
He has to beat Rugal first.

>>14366211
>Waiting for Devil Godzilla
Well there is that one comic that came out recently.

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Let's get to some speculating about the plot. What are some expectations? We know it's a complete reboot, we know all the main characters have government ties, and we know it intends to invoke of the spirit of the original movie.

>>14342468
>>14342437

Yeah, KG was where the heisei series started going downhill in a number of ways

>>14357033

Final Wars is in my top five "so-bad-it's-good" movies. Every scene has at least one thing in it that makes you pause and go "wait, what?" It's like a 12 year old's fanfiction come to life and it's glorious.

>>14372147
It is a gentrification plot where the government is trying to use Godzilla to destroy low-income districts and make new jobs rebuilding modern architecture, but they lose control of Godzilla and suffer for their hubris.

>>14356684

That Godzilla is supposed to be scary and is a warped reflection of Japan's cultural memory/history, and turning the whole thing into a franchise missed the whole point of the character

>>14372276
How much time do you think Anno meant by recently? The last couple of decades, namely the Heisei and Millennium films? Most of Godzilla's history? And by handling him carelessly, do think he could be referring to the quality of the films and not Godzilla's changes in character? He has evolved over time to reflect the times or anxieties of the times.

>>14372147
>Godzilla_Bewildered_By_Floating_Japan.jpeg

>>14372271
Boy that'd be something

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>>14372311
Now those are some smart questions worthy of Magician dubs.

I really wish I had an answer for you anon, but if I had to make an assumption it would be the general decline in quality of the Hesei series. Returns and Bio are excellent movies that nail his character perfectly, but as the 90's rolled on he grew more and more humanized to the point where he is no longer an animal by vs Destoryah. The Godzilla that wept for Jr just isn't the same one that was lured in to the volcano and attacked an immobile monster purely out of instinct. This just happened to coincide with quality drop offs, such as how vs KG is being discussed above. With the rocky-at-best Millennium following afterwards, the 90's and 00's didn't do much to help the series reputation or Godzilla's characterization.

It's incredibly easy to write off the 60's as being the best period out of pure, blind nostalgia, but with an impressively consistent production staff at the helm for that period audiences ended up seeing a genuine character development in the big lug. How many other title characters make the transition from object of mass destruction to adopting a son? The inherit jovility and optimism in Honda's work at the time also removed an immense amount of potential juxtaposition as well, making the development more natural.

I think part of what Anno is saying is that he's criticizing the notion that Godzilla is a disposable character----that you can have him be a vicious animal in one film and a humanized hero in the next. Either direction can work if you take care to set it up, but trying to have it both ways cheapens the character and his legacy of films. To use a food metaphor, it's like a chef (toho) wondering why his customers are angry with him for topping their ice cream with BBQ sauce.

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H-Hey

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>>14373963

>>14373969
>"take a picture with the burned hellbeast, kids!"

>>14373969
>>14374008
If this is Godzilla, what would Destroyah look like?

>>14373482
If that's the sort of thing Anno meant, it will be interesting to see how his version plays out and how well people might react to it. So much shit has piled up on this brand name that it isn't easy trying to break out of it. The franchise has a long history of trying to modernize itself, attempting to stay true to its roots or just sticking to a formula that clicks with some people but doesn't guarantee huge success. Even though Godzilla for the most part retains his characteristics, his character bounces around all over the place, so I can see why Anno would make such a statement.

But the decline of the franchise and its stale state is pretty apparent anyway. Even with all the talk of a potential Hollywood cinematic franchise (which on its face sounds promising), the franchise still hasn't quite managed to stabilize itself.

>>14366453
Who's the big guy behind them?

Looks a bit like Baragon, but he's in the front between Ang and Titano.

>>14368918
depends on the number and quality of ZF toys

>>14375626
That's Destroyah, bro