Infinite space thread

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Posting the epic battle between Elgavan forces and Lugovalian vanguard fleet.

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>>14328454
Last pic.

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Bumping before bed and hoping this thread hasn't dissipated by the time i get back.

>>14328445
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>>14328454
No! ;_; o7

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yfw they were right

That reminds me, I need to do another playthrough of this and save Roth this time.

>>14332277
Just remember to not get on little missis "i got a planet per birthday" Lancos bad side.

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Welp!

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Are ya ready for some creepy?

>>14327818
Don't have any

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>>14340502
Then how about a favorite nation?

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>>14340502
I like plasma, but damn I just wish you could swap out more weapon batteries in their ships

>>14341979
Regeinland really had the most beautiful ship designs.

Roth's flagships and the Agrell were personal favorites of mine.

>>14342062
Plasma a shit unless it's the Absoluta.

Well, actually plasma is still bad even on the Absoluta, but the ship is broken enough for me to overlook such a minor flaw.

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>>14342125
I preferred Kraus myself.
>>14342062
I would have loved to use the Enemonzo ships, but the Enemonzo class just looks plain ugly and the Dandolo class lacks in fighter coverage.
There's just no winning with them.

>>14342144
at least they aren't rail guns which is a shame because space thirdworld had beautiful battlships

>>14327818
I need to get around to actually playing it,I downloaded it on my phone but I haven't started it since I'm already playing through pokemon platinum.

From what I've heard about this game it's gurren lagann with space fleets

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>>14342265
story's good enough to make up for the meh gameplay

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>>14342261
Agreed.

I wouldn't mind a remake on the 3DS with improved gameplay.

>>14342381
I'd kill a man for this t b h

>>14342381
Anime based on it would also be awesome.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0R51zE2XhU

>>14342675
Till then, these are all we got...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWSxt_cO_mk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DdM2v1ipNI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7M2Cr9p-Wg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbHvIgn8NAo

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>>14342144
Oh no, make no mistake. The Absoluta is an awful fucking battleship.

It's just that's utterly irrelevant because of how unbelievably good a flagship it is.

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Reading through rankings is sometimes hilarious.

>>14332116


>Adism speaks.jpg

>final sector is Sol
>literally everyone in every other sector not in your fleet dies

Kinda saw that coming the moment they hinted towards the REAPERS being a thing.

>>14344809
Spoiler that shit, anon.

And it's not really confirmed that EVERYONE dies. Besides, Yuri could probably just Flux them back or something.

It's a very open ending, but I don't think it's quite that dark.

>>14344822
Serious talk, while the game's plot was engaging, I felt they really did take a lot of elements from Mass Effects, from the Mass Relays/Void Gates, Reapers/Overlords and Epitaphs being some form of Protean artifact. Not saying that's necessarily a bad thing, but I kept experiencing every new plot point with a sense of deja vu

>>14344849
There are certainly quire a few similarities, but a lot of them are due to the two making similar references to classic sci-fi (mostly Clarke), rather than necessarily being a direct reference from one to the other.

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Sup guys?

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>>14345211
Gotta love that, of all the things to survive the transformation into a monstrous unstoppable embodiment of interstellar travel and chaos composed of pure space magic, he still has that stupid fucking tache.

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>>14341979
Lugovalos, of course.

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So, to whomever in the last thread inquired about making Infinite Space ships in Galciv, I happen to have Zenito in that game, with the ships to match, though they're a bit shittier than the Lugovalos ones because I threw them together on the fly from memory so I could actually keep playing the game instead of losing the will to live.

In keeping with Zenito tradition, they had terrible population growth, hull capacity and ship durability, but high research, evasion and accuracy.
Th

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>>14346512
The Absoluta actually did manage to buff accuracy and evasion thanks to thulium mods, though tight supplies meant I couldn't build many, and my insistence on playing to type and not getting any hull space boosts nearly prevented me from fitting actual weapons on top of those modules and the hangar. As it stands, it's firepower is pretty lacklustre (unlike the Kajto, which killed all the things).

Also, yes. I made beeline for plasma guns and avoided fighting till I got them. It just wouldn't have been the same.

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>>14346530
If you wanna make one of those Lugovalian battleships, i can provide you with some pictures.

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>>14346807

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>>14346807
That one ship was the only Lugovalian ship I never actually built in GC2 (besides the Toutatis, since that game had no carriers). I just never got to the right point to build it, plus I didn't want to burn myself out spending hours on it (that and the more simple geometric shape would be a pain given how GC2's designer worked).

No need for pictures though, I can just keep my copy of the game at one side with the ship database open.

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Are ya ready for some feels?

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>>14349190

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>>14349198

>>14349198
Stop it!

>>14349316
It's already over.

>>14327818
I really, desperately, desperately wished this game was a PC or console title. It's so underrated and it had so much potential.

It was an A++ game.

>>14349487
>DS game
>Not on PC

Nigga do you even emulate?

>>14349911
You know what he meant. If it was actually made for PC, the ship models probably would have had more than a dozen vertices. Which would have been quite nice, because the DS graphics really undersell some very sexy ship designs.

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>>14349911
I initially tried emulating it, but it ran kinda janky. I later got a DS copy.

>>14349966
Yeah, the sketch art for the ships was absolutely gorgeous and it's a real shame how simplified they had to be made. Some poor, incredibly talented graphic artist had to be crying over that.

>>14350306
Got more of those pics?

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Ready for more feels?

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>>14350480
I found this one more hilarious than sad actually.

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>>14350483
And the final tragedy, a fine ship going down.

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>>14350476
>>14350480
>>14350483
>>14350487
You forgot the set up.

How this game actually made me feel bad about this despite literally introducing these characters in the chapter where they both bite it I'll never know.

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>>14350487
Now, a moment of silence for the honored departe...HOLY SHIT! THAT'S A LODDA LOOT!
And artillery crew, stop fapping, the battle report is starting to count them...

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>>14350493
Yeah, it's sad how Merril's death had no cool pictures, just some dialogue in a box and his static regular image. At least we had this guy there.

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>>14350405
Alrighty, beginning obligatory Infinite Space artbook dump (again).

>>14350503
THAT FUCKER! As if it weren't bad enough him already being the biggest shit in the game, he has to go and fuck up more likeable characters even from beyond the grave.

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>>14350524

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>>14350507
Cheers anon, always love it when cool art gets dumped.

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>>14350537

>>14350513
Let's see.
>Fucked Katida literally if you set up her recruitment flags
>Got Merril killed
>Got Franny killed
>Indirectly got Ursula killed

I believe Desmond had the highest kill count on named characters, right after Yuri.

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>>14350547
It's really telling when the people on his own side, the villains of the story no less, actually summon him to chew him out for being such a fucking prick.

I always imagined Coyle resignedly rubbing the bridge of his nose during this scene, like "I've been running galaxies for thirty years, why do I still have to put up with this shit?"

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>>14350714

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Whats with all these lowres pics?
Use the damn High res Emulator, it makes it look so much better.
http://shikaver01.webcrow.jp/desmume_x432r/index.html

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>>14350716

>>14350725
Oh, I guess that's all I got.

>>14350717
Do you have a non-moon rune version of it?

>>14350709
>>14350725
I like how you can see Libertas apeing Zenito designs/tech

>>14350547
Y'know, thinking over it Desmond really was a chump.

I mean, when we meet him he's a bootlicking toady with ambition beyond his station as Eremon's adjutant, which was as far as he'd ever get under his own power. Then, just after conquering the SMC, Eremon got fucked up when the second most powerful man in the universe dropped in out of nowhere and blew half his fleet away, allowing Yuri to finish the job of shooting his now crippled flagship out from under him. This humiliating defeat entailed an automatic demotion and being stripped of his honours, which left Desmond holding the ball for all the credit, credit that he in no way deserved.

His superiors knew, of course, that he was a scrub. So they brought Coyle in to actually run the place, and gave Desmond a token acknowledgment in rulership of a Podunk little backwater system and the 'important' job uncovering the secrets of the epitaph which he was never going to be able to do since he's not an observer or tracker, which the emperor full well knows.

Basically, Desmond got kicked upstairs because no-one else in the Lugovalian command staff wanted to put up with him. And he STILL manages to cause them grief. What a loser.

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>>14350880
That's one thing I really like about Lugovalos. The empire may be rather violent and expansionist, but almost all the people involved are surprisingly decent. Desmond is obviously the exception, but even Eremon, asshole that he was, got a few rather nice humanizing moments.

>>14351753
Yeah, Lugovalos is definitely my favourite evil empire in fiction because the evil part is debatable. As you say, most of the individual people are in some way sympathetic and likeable, with Eremon only really being subject to particular hate because of personal beef Yuri has with him. The only Lugovalians we see that are total assholes are Desmond and potentially Katida, and the latter didn't start that way and is kind of a monster of your own creation.

But it's not just the people. I love the chapter where they go back to scout out the SMC, filled with righteous fervour, only to discover to their shock that most people actually quite like their new masters, since they've improved quality of life, removed all the corruption of the old governments and now actually get shit done. And they take care of their people, as that clip showed. The only downside is that they've cracked down on unlicensed space travel, but for most people all this means is that they actually cleared out all those fucking pirates that infested the place, and that's not even including the other reason they do it i.e.interfering with the overlords. They're meritocratic too, with several of their highest placed people (Merril, Eremon, Ian, Katida not having been born in the empire at all and rapidly rising in rank through ability alone.

All this of course contrasting with the LMC governments that are violently squabbling over internal politics and who gets to be in charge even with an invasion on their doorstep, and you sit their seeing them repeating the mistakes of the SMC and wearily trying to sort out this mess and start to wonder if maybe Lugovalos doesn't deserve to win.

>>14350717
Does that even work with this game? afaik that build is terrible.

>>14352498
In the end, they're really doing the same thing you are: uniting a bunch of squabbling, corrupt governments against an external threat, by force if necessary. They're just doing it on a much larger scale.

>>14352574
And against an extra-dimensional threat, not just extra-galactic threat.

>>14350524
rip Schneizers

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>>14350717
Im trying a different magnification filter now, does it look any better to you?

>>14353201
At least they join your crew in extra mode. And Bastian is an absolutely amazing gunner. Sadly, his brother is outclassed due to the "jack of all trades, master of none" thing being completely useless in a system where only one stat matters for any given crew position.

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>>14353358
>And Bastian is an absolutely amazing gunner
Maybe so, but why use him when you can have the legendary space pirate dream team of Valantin, Zachman and Celina (or Taranis if you don't use him as your XO)?

Of course, what characters are good to use in extra mode depends partly on what you get from the grab bag. Some characters are guaranteed, mostly major ones like Taranis or Brian or Safira (all of whom are very good), but a lot of the others are randomized.

Incidentally:
>Taranis Lugus
>Affil: Lugovalos
>Male
>Age: 38
BULLSHIT.

>>14353402
Wait, how old is Cico?

>>14353440
Same age as Yuri, 16 in act 1, 26 in act 2. Chico isn't his oldest mind. The only other one we know of is Oisin. that guy with the minelaying ship, who's 20, though he was inferred to have many children.

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>>14353457
>Oisin was 20, 10 years ago
>Taranis is now 38
>Taranis was 8 years old when he sired Oisin

>>14353461
Nah, the extra mode ages are drawn from both time periods, since it has characters from both. Taranis's would be from act 1, presumably since that's when he was introduced, though he looked the same back then too.

You just don't really expect the conquereor of LITERALLY THE ENTIRE OCCUPIED UNIVERSE SANS TWO GALAXIES to be middle aged.

Actually, come to think of it, Macklin is 75, which means he was kicking about before Taranis was even born. I wonder what the story behind the two of them is?

Taranis backstory prequel when?

>>14353483
He was?
At what scene, at what point?
First time i remember seeing him was when Cico was proclaimed crown prince and he was by then already a grown man.

>>14353501
>First time i remember seeing him was when Cico was proclaimed crown prince and he was by then already a grown man.
I may be misremembering, but I think that scene was between act 1 and 2. Hang on, I'll check.

Well, the scene is indeed between acts, though ambiguously. Taranis mentions that Cico's journey took 5 years, so likely it occurred no more than halfway through the act break.

Also, he's said to have 46 kids. Not bad for a guy in his friggin thirties.

I wonder how the empire works with Taranis being an observer. I mean, they just get magicked into existence, but he's supposed to be descended from the royal line, unless he just retroactively started that way. In either case I wonder what the empire was doing before he got in charge of it. Was the mandate to stop the overlords entirely his own design?

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>>14353483
Still...
If Oisin was killed 5 years ago when he was 20 and then Taranis was 38, it would still mean that Taranis was 13 when he became a daddy.

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>>14352527
It works I played through the entire game with it at around 2x, 3x super resolution which makes the game look much better.

After I finished I turned all the settings to the max and uploaded some of the database pages to the wikia.

http://infinitespace.wikia.com/wiki/Belenus

>>14353297
He is talking about a special fork of the emulator that allows for super-resolution rendering. Magnification filters just blur the pixels to smooth the image. Super resolution rendering does nothing to the 2d images however.

>>14355918
You know, it would be pretty awesome if you could add all the ships in that game into the wiki.

It's just sad how that wiki still doesn't have pics of even half the ships from the game.

>>14355647
Become a father at age 13? Wow even in black culture that's a few years too young.

>>14353461
>>14355647
Hehe yes

>>14353402
Perhaps that just means it's been 38 years since he magically appeared.

>>14357576
Nah, couldn't be, since Yuri is listed as 16 despite existing for a matter of weeks at most.

HOLY SHIT CLUSTER MISSILES ARE FUCKING AMAZING.

I mean, I've seen their stats and all, but I still wasn't prepared for how easily these things tear apart entire enemy fleets. It's just fucking brutal.

>>14344849
I thought a lot of it was more like Gurren Lagann. Panfilov was like the ox gunmen, Lugolavos was like fighting the beastmen, and the overlords were like the anti-spirals. Plus, Nia is basically Kamina, and in both stories, a woman named Nia dies.

>>14357661
>Kira was 14 Though she started existing only once Yuri left the planet.

>>14357716
Yeah they're great, and it's no wonder Lugovalos uses them so heavily, plus unlike plasma weapons you can stick them on anything with the right slots. They're balanced out by only becoming available at the vey end of the game...but of course you can go nuts with them in extra mode.

The only real downside to them is that they only come in small and medium sizes.

Fun fact, the L3 small cluster missles are exactly as powerful as their equivalent QUANTUM TORPEDOES (and seven times more accurate, and target everything).

Medium quantum torpedoes are still much stronger though (as in over twice medium CMs at 500 attack, making them the single most powerful weapon system in the entire game), so if you can offset the accuracy issue and don't mind focusing on one target really hard they're also a very potent option.

>>14357737
>She loved the piano

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>>14355647
Wait...
What if Taranis wished himself a mass of kids by flying into a Phenomena fluctuation sector?
For that matter. How much of the universe is actually like it was before he came into being?
Did Valantin wish himself a ship with warp gate on it?

>>14357731
Wouldn't that make Kira the Nia, in that she's a mole created by the villains, but turns on them to aid the protagonist at the cost of her fading from existence?

>>14357748
>if you can offset the accuracy issue
[Absoluta intensifies]

>>14357761
Hey yeah, maybe he wished himself the empire too.

>Did Valantin wish himself a ship with warp gate on it?
Nah, I think that's just regular (if advanced and expensive) tech. Taranis's flagship has one too, and Adis had the technology to upgrade it.

>>14357766
Indeed. Stack that with a good gunnery team and some fire control rooms and that 10 accuracy may as well read 100.

Then you get to sit and watch the 400-500 damage attacks and crits just rack up thousands of points of damage in a regular old normal attack.

>>14357753
You lost me with that one.

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>>14357792
Surprised you didn't recognise it on /m/.

>>14355918
Tried it out and yeah it really does make a huge differance.

IS's gfx always held it back sadly.

>>14353297
>Don't mind me just blowing up a planet because they wasted my time and didn't fight back.

Taranis was fucking based.

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>>14361287
Damn right he was!

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>>14363103

>>14353297
>>14365016
I always loved that the capital of Lugovalos was a thirty kilometre battleship. Only fitting really.

>>14363103
>scotty what did you do to the transporter? I said beam me down not beam the planet in half.

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Are ya ready for some feels again?

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>>14368896
This is strange. There's sad music playing and all, it's like something sad happened.

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>>14368916
Who's Kira?

>>14368924
No, fuck you. Don't do this to me.

>>14368892
Quit dragging it out. We all know you're just dying for a chance to post the Lord Roth scene. Just get it over with already, you sadistic bastard.

>>14369544
I cant, im currently on a playthrough where Katida is not a psycho.

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Time for some famous last words.

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You are flying some cargo between sectors and before getting to the void gate you see this.

What do?

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Oh the humanity!

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>>14371090
>2 barrages and 1 final roar later

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>>14371100
Well that wasn't so bad.
What's Taranis up to?

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>>14371103

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>>14371107

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We told that guy to ram the sun.
He did it! The absolute madman!

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Welp, that's that then.

>>14371170
>Evstafi flagship
>not commanding from the flying brick
It's almost like you don't even want to break the game in half.

>>14371194
Its because i picked the Enemonzo route.
No borg tech for me.

>>14371205
That's unfortunate.

The Evstafi is still a bit of an odd choice, though. I've never found it hugely useful outside of a "poor man's Corsair" meatshield role at the front of the fleet. I mean, its stats are nice, but the fixed weapons are annoying, and the Hi-Stream Blaster is obviously rather useless. Unless you need durability, it's outclassed a bit by some of the other endgame battleships.

But then, the game's nowhere near hard enough to require some kind of optimized fleet composition, so it really doesn't matter.

>>14371242
Yup, i was running a fleet of Imperos for most of the late game and then after defeating Taranis i decided to blow my vast amounts of cash on something.
Corsair was still a bit away from my budget and so i decided to grab the Estafi.

>>14371242
Well, there's always the desire to take the best ship for yourself, and the Absoluta is really the only ship that kind of has to be a flagship. Every other special ability isn't all that exceptional.

>>14327818
After careful consideration, I would have to choose a Type 102 TARDS for my personal ship

>>14371205
so how did the space france route go?

>>14371679
Id say they are more like space Italy based on the ship names, though i am a bit torn on whether they are French or Italian.

Anyways, there was a choise to go against either their regular military with rear admiral someone or with Schneizer against the Zanetti corporation.

I picked rear admiral jarhead and went against the regular schmucks.
In return i fought some mediocre ships, i got some mediocre ship blueprints and i managed to shanghai the elder prince of their nation into my fleet where he acted as a great security officer.

>>14371896
Yeah, Teodoro is the only captain besides Zachman to put up any kind of actual fight in a melee.

I recall that which route you picked determined which minor Regeinland officer got microwaved by the ZR1, either the bland guy or the green haired lady.

I always wondered how the group that went to Zenito in the Enemonzo route (Lord Roth? I think it was Lord Roth) actually succeeded, considering the circumstances of the situation there. Enemonzo is a straight fight, but Zenito presents a more unusual problem.

>>14372145
That's odd.
Because in my game i talked with Brad Lennox about the microwave weapon after freeing him from the pirates and then i managed to warn Lord Roth who kept his troops back from attacking the Orders forces so they wouldn't get microwaved.

>>14372145
space krauts got that little nebula radar ship

>>14372343
Hm. Maybe it's the other route.

I guess that would make it Schneizer that went to Zenito.

>>14372345
How does this help with Rubrico though? Yuri only succeeded because he had a supah hackah

>>14372343
Ah, hang on. You're referring to the ZR2, and stopping Orders from zapping Regeinland with it. On the Enemonzo route you encounter the ZR1. I think it gets used at least once, though I might be confusing it with that file where I let them complete it so I could fill out my ship database.

>>14372379
Well i went on the line where i met the Enemonzon regular forces while Schneizer handled the Zenito route, but he didnt get fried back then.

>>14372430
Naw, it's some of the Regeinland forces with you in Enemonzo that get zapped.

>>14372467
That definitely didn't happen in my latest save.
Apparently Schneizer managed to nuke ZR1 before it was finished then.

>>14372490
Maybe it's only if you let the Impero get to the ZR1 then.

>>14371170
I liked it myself but yeah all dem plasma's ruined it abit.

>>14371194
The bricks boring as hell though so personally i stick with something else.

Is Limit Theory dead? ;_;

>>14373547
I dunno, plasma seemed to work pretty magnificently against the phages.

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>>14373547
>>14374614
Plasma actually is quite powerful, level for level it's much better than lasers. The issue comes from the fact that they're always fixed and are often at lower levels. The Evastafi has good standard weapon slots (all medium and large), and all of them are as high as plasma is seen to go (level 3, save for the diffusion plasma which is Lv2, but the Evstafi is the only player ship with one so it's not possible to compare.

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>>14375896

Just to compare, the best large laser (Lv5) is strength 340, 20 more than the best large plasma, the best medium laser (Lv6) is 10 points weaker than the best medium plasma, and the best large particle laser (Lv3) is 10 weaker than Lv2 plasma.

So there's not all that much of a performance difference. The only issue is with some ships (mostly Zenitonian and cheaper libertasian ones) being stuck with lower level guns.

Just look at the Absoluta. It's medium guns are actually stronger than its large ones!

>>14375964
>the best medium laser (Lv6) is 10 points weaker than the best medium plasma
On the other hand, quantum torpedoes kick the shit out of it to the tune of 220 extra damage. And while they have shit for accuracy, you can stack accuracy out the ass on late-game ships, even without the Absoluta.

The Evstafi also lacks any XL slots, so other ships have that advantage over it as well. My personal preference (barring the Picaroon and Corsair, of course) is the Haruul. With its five free weapon slots, including an XL, it can unload 2020 damage in a single attack action, quite an advantage over the Evstafi's 1190. As an extra bonus, it can also carry fighters.

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>>14376046
Yeah, as established the most powerful medium weapon (and most powerful weapon of any size) is quantum torpedoes, though their comparatively low accuracy is still noticeable even with end game modules and crew.

XL slots are overrated, I think. They're nice to have, but no ship has more than one, and multiple large slots are just as good.

>As an extra bonus, it can also carry fighters
It can carry 25, tops. And doing that requires you to use the most spacious module location on the ship. And on that note goddamn is the module capacity and layout absolutely atrocious, being Adis built and all. Compare the Evastafi, which has tons of space, including many 3x3 slots. It has better base stats too.

All this is academic to me though. I'm not particularly fond of the Evstafi (found it kind of underwhelming myself). But I couldn't ever bring myself to use a Haruul because of its biggest disadvantage of all: it's ugly as sin.

>>14376117
Adis ships are pretty hit-or-miss as far as appearance is concerned, but I don't mind the Haruul. Sure, it doesn't look as nice as some of the Enemonzo and Regeinland ships, but I wouldn't call it ugly.

>>14376143
It's that rampart/high collar looking thing at the back that really kills it for me. What the hell even is that? It makes the whole ship look like a particularly flamboyant drag queen.

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>>14376117
Gotta agree with you there.
Personally, i find Nova-Nacio, Regeinland and Libertas ships most beautiful.

>>14376187
I'm personally a fan of the kind of Art-Deco-In-Space aesthetic of Lugovalos. It's very distinctive.

Nacio/Nova nacio ships are kind of hit and miss for me, and I dislike the disjointed hulls on many Regeinland ones. Libertas ships are certainly all very sleek looking though (well, except for the Freedom).

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>>14376192
Yeah, their battleships and flagships were pretty great.

>>14376117
Problem with the Haruul is the terrible module space

>>14376046
I could never take the Picaroon seriously whenever i tried it just went from retarded to hideous.

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>>14376660
>retarded to hideous
It is undeniably both of these things, but it is also undeniably the best ship in the game, statistically. Its stats are very high, though not the best. However, its extremely high module space (tied for highest in the game) allows you to cram in all the best modules and exceed all the other super ships. Thanks to navigation and thruster modules it can have flat out the best evasion in the game on top of being among the toughest and most well armoured, especially with shield frames and deflectors factored in, making it hellacious to take down. On top of this it has an excellent full set of open weapon hardpoints, and a catapult with room for a full fighter complement. And it can do all of this at once.

Think of it like this: the Picaroon is a macrocosm of its captain. At first they appear very silly and comical despite their fearsome reputation, and this impression lasts right up until they take off their coat and start punching, at which point it becomes immediately apparent that they are absolutely no joke.

It's a perfectly fitting ship for him really.

>>14376687
Yeah i still can't bring myself to use the thing.

>>14376691
Well don't, its not like there's ever a situation that requires a sip that overpowered.

>>14376250
Always wanted one of those but hey at least you get the Belenus.

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>>14376687
>flat out the best evasion in the game
Not quite.

It may be a joke build for a useless ship, but if you REALLY want to dodge every single attack that comes your way, look no further.

Fun fact - in addition to its absurd mobility, the Plugilo also has the highest base gauge speed in the game. Still useless, though.

>>14377494
Actually no.

I always figured you could never fit enough evasion modules in a Plugilo (it being Zentionian and all), so goes to show how much research I did. But I just had a thought, and it turns out that if you take a Lykougos (a much more spacious ship with a base speed of 45) with and fit it with the best evasion modules you can get its evasion up to 93. So the Picaroon is only the third most agile ship in the game. Still really fucking good considering its other performance and the competition though.

Of course, the Picaroon still beats both in survivability because of its higher armour and durability.

Messing about with my own Picaroons, it seemed like I had a choice between 10 points of armour and 5 of evasion and went for the former. You can't fit the best of every module, but you can get close.

>>14378329
Wait, nevermind. Turns out you can do it with the Erebos as well, and probably a few other ships on this list. Well, whatever. The Picaroon isn't even built for speed, it's a tanky battleship, and it's still capable of hitting evasion in the seventies.

>>14378329
>I always figured you could never fit enough evasion modules in a Plugilo (it being Zentionian and all)
If you're willing to focus down on specific aspects of a ship's performance rather than trying to upgrade everything, a little space can go a long way.

That's why I said earlier that I don't mind the relatively limited space on the Haruul. If you keep it off the front lines, you can ditch the defensive modules, leaving it with plenty of room to support a very respectable offensive setup.

>>14377494
This thing needs more turbo boost.

>>14376687
oh fuck this ground fight

>>14378941
>little space
Yeah, but Zenito is even worse than Adis when it comes to module space. Look at the Absoluta. Aside from the (practically essential) hangars, there's very little that even fits in there.

I don't know about specialising the Haruul. I couldn't even fit both top level fire control rooms (presuming the catapult is used, since you mentioned it). I guess I just prefer having ships that can do everything well instead of just one thing really well. Nor could I stand to see a battleship without any kind of defensive enhancements. Though at the stage where you consider using any of these ships their actual performance has long since ceased to matter. I kind of wish the game didn't gimp its enemies so heavily, especially later on it's clearly lying through its teeth about how much health their ships have.

How do you stand on carriers? Worth it, or do you prefer putting your fighter squadron together piecemeal from smaller hangars?

>>14379863
Thats always been my issue with the Absoluta the NOS makes it insanely broken yet the ability isn't something you'd expect from
a ship that goes into battle at all it's more like a command and communications vessel that should never be in battle in the first place.
And it's stats support that fact. Not just a behind the battleships deal but out of the fight all together.

The fact it's so bad aside from the NOS only kept me from using it because it felt like cheating and to be honest you
can win without it easily enough.

>>14379863
I prefer piecing together battleship hangars if I'm using normal fighters, since it's really easy to hit the cap. That changes a bit when mobile weapons come into play, though.

>>14379895
Real command vessels are (and have been) usually in battle, or at least in the field. Carriers and battleships and such.

The Absoluta makes sense stat wise when you consider its role in Zenito. They have no other vessel with a catapult, so the Absoluta is kind of an all in one flagship. It has lots of fighter capacity, but not as much as a real carrier because it has to fit other systems. Its weaponry only barely squeaks into battleship grade, there are heavy cruisers with better gun slots (it's only slightly more well armed than Zentio's own Kajto), again because it has to do other things. It has decent armour about right for a battleship of that tier, but has a flimsy hull behind it, making it less durable than a real battleship.

Basically, it has to fill both of the game's usual flagship rolls. I'd say it's less battleship though. If the Renkonti and Eleganta count as carriers then the Absoluta is damn well a carrier.

It's really not all that bad outside of NOS. It's just not as good as the other late game battleships, because NOS is kind of its gimmick, and its stats are the sacrifice it pays for them. It's really more a support platform (fire support, fighter support, electronic support) than a real battleship.

>>14379863
Also, to elaborate on my choice to ditch the defenses on the Haruul: I like to run something similar to the Space Mexico strategy, with something really durable (Corsair is ideal, but the Evstafi works almost as well if you're on a budget) parked at the front of my fleet to soak up fire and protect the other ships. With that defensive measure in place, I can afford to skimp a bit on the defenses for my other vessels, because those formation bonuses really do have a huge effect on incoming attacks.

>>14379925
No you're mistaking Battleships with command abilities with what i said which is more like what the USS Saipan and USS Wright after being refit.

Also noone put's carriers into the line of battle unless they had no other choice.

>>14379942
Modern carriers have plenty of command and control capabilities, which is why they use them as flagships.

>Also noone put's carriers into the line of battle unless they had no other choice.
Well no, but that's because of the mechanics of modern naval warfare. In the context of a space opera where everything has as much range as missiles, yes carriers are counted as in combat.

>>14379937
>something really durable parked at the front
I thought most people did that. Common sense really, deploying like the AI does is a waste. I did once try a set up with cruisers up front using evasion and health boosters, but I still lost three of them to the final boss using this strategy. Nothing beats a battleship up front.

Though my need to have a battleship at the front and my equal need to have a battleship flagship nearly landed me in trouble eventually, since my aging Agrell didn't take well to Zenito.

I was also doing this largely because my other ships were a carrier up the back, and a pair of Borodinos that I'd clung onto from act 1 and outfitted with upgraded gear to use as gunboats. You want to talk about glass cannons, try using SMC ships in act 2.

>>14379994
Agrell works okay in Zenito, if only because fighters work wonders in that chapter. Its hangars may not be massive, but it's quite serviceable. It's what I had as my flagship there.

I also had one or two SMC ships still hanging around (I actually pulled my massively outdated Eudora out for the duration of Zenito, because I wanted all the fighters I could get), and it is pretty sad how fragile they are.

>>14379942
The point is moot anyway, the Absoluta isn't a dedicated command ship, the Kuraja is.

>>14379994
On my first playthrough when i didn't know diddly i had a carrier as MY ship when i hit the timeskip.
Oh boy did i wish i'd
kept a Borodino as ship numero uno.

>>14380026
I quite like it, it kind of makes sense. You can gut a ship and replace all the internals and weapons, even add extra armour. But there's only so much you can do to reinforce a hull that was just made with less advanced technology. They're also usually much smaller.

There's even a ship class demonstrating this. The Adrasteia is a Kalymnos battleship design retrofitted with Lugovalian equipment. So it has this weird mix of stats that fall right between the divide between Magellanic clouds.

>>14380038
> using SMC carriers
> ever
I'm so sorry, anon.

>>14380038
SMC ships have such poor durability at that point, is there even much difference? You grab something from the Xeos belt union or run away and hold out until Regeinland.

>>14380065
To be fair, the game flat out hides key stats from you. It's not like most players could be expected to know that you can buy a cruiser with better carrier capability than any of those overpriced junk piles.

At least Nova Nacio has no other catapult equipped ships. What the hell was Kalymnos thinking with the Daphne?

>>14380073
> the game flat out hides key stats from you
That is unfortunate. If I have some time later, I've been thinking about trying to add some of those to the reference images that have been posted in this thread and the one last month. Gauge speed, fighter capacity, etc.

Yeah, fighter capacity is understandable because it depends on available hangar modules, but there's no excuse for hiding guage speed. And that's just the stuff I don't know, in game it also conceals the module capacity and layout, as well as weapons and hardpoint sizes, all it gives you is how many are fixed. Sometimes shopping for new hardware feels like entering a lottery. Or a car dealership.

"Can I interest you in a Kolonio? Finest carrier in the SMC!"

>>14380123
Kolonio would have been fine if the Eudora didn't do it better with more guns. But there was alot of things that appeared wonky or outright broken.

>>14380136
Well no, it would still be a terrible ship. It's very overpriced for that point in the game (like most carriers), is utterly flimsy, has crap for guns, and to top it off carriers are a waste of a slot early on anyway because of how weak SMC fighters are and how few slots you have.

>>14380123
Hey kid, i can see you want some high quality, high performance machines, why not try a Necesia?
The fanciest and priciest battleship in the entire SMC!
It's made by folks who came from LMC ages ago, so its gotta be great, eh?

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>>14380424
>priciest battleship in the entire SMC
Technically this is most of Kalymnos's lineup. But at least they HAVE a lineup, and at least their ships are worth a damn. You're playing for quality, not a brand name.

Nova Nacio's whole catalogue has that feel about it. Did you know that the Admiralo is actually more expensive than several LMC destroyers? It's not even very good by SMC standards! What a gyp. Lanco Warship Manufacturing is a bunch of hucksters, they've not produced a single decent design, yet they make you pay through the nose. In fact, fuck Lanco himself. I bet the only reason he pawned Katida off was because Lugovalos actually know good workmanship when they see it, so he wasn't staying afloat on merit.

>>14380527
No wonder the thing that constantly came into my mind when ever i saw nova Nacio was vid related.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Cy9HeM8QQc

>>14349160
I hated her so I kinda didn't care about her stupid death.

Also it was obvious someone would die so that the betamax kid would finally get his shit together so it doesn't come very surprising.

>>14384968
That's pretty much exactly what it was. The show took place in a largely ignored backwater region much like the SMC.

Great show, too. S2 probably never, unfortunately.

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Maybe off topic, but the thread's about dead anyway so fuck it. I was watching this the other day and it started feeling familiar to Infinite Space. Specifically the Grand Cross and Parabellum (and their crews) were giving me strong LMC vibes of being bigger way more advanced ships (with grandiose interiors) from a much more important region where grand space opera events were occurring and them being a big fish in a small pond around all these dinky junk ships.

Some LMC nation testing a gimmicky new battleship against pirates in the SMC, and an LMC pirate intervening seem like exactly the sort of thing that could have happened in that game.

>>14384977
Actually, now that I think about it, isn't that fairly similar to the situation with Cico and Celina when you first meet them?

>>14384985
Yeah, that was probably one of the things that affected that notion.

Of course, that particular event turned out to be on an even bigger scale.

I do wonder. Why was Celina slumming it in the SMC? And more pressingly, what in the world prompted Cico to choose a fair to middling Enemonzan planetary defence ship for his quest to pick fights with every pirate in either galaxy?

>>14384977
Sorry for noob question but what show?

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>>14385175
Boku no Bodacious Space Pirates/Moretsu Space Pirates.

It's not quite as exciting as the title suggests, but it's alright.

>>14381464
I was hoping Yuri'd bend her over and go at it myself.

Right infront of the Garner sisters.

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>>14327818
I loved everything about this game. The characters, the story, the music/OST, I just wish it had gotten a proper direct sequel instead of a spirtual successor on the PSP. The combat system was okay but jesus christ the game would've shown off a lot better on PC or a 3DS or Vita then the original DS.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_QaKgH3f-0

>>14386117
Yeah even sticking it on 3DS/PSP would have been enough the DS just wasn't upto the task for a game like this.

Can you imagine IS on a PC/PS3/360?

>>14386234
I imagine we'd have LotGH tier numbers of vessels in glorious high resolution fully 2D animated or 3D modeled warships. It'd be great.

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>>14386117
>>14386234
>>14386340
>Infinite Space for PC
>with larger fleets, better graphics, and more elaborate customization/combat systems
>this will never exist

Do you guys remember that certain SCENE where a certain character was killed off? Still gives me feels to this day.

>>14386439
Gonna have to be a bit more specific than that. What's the point of spoiler tags if you're just going to beat around the bush?

>>14342296
sauce

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>>14386976
Legend of the galactic heroes.
Note: the guide was made in 00s so it isn't very up to date atm.

>>14385002
Cico just saw that strong independent pirate queen and couldent help himself. He had to have her.

>>14386966
Brown tan's death

>>14388073
Hey, Lugovalian woman won't settle for anything less.

>>14388120
To be honest, I wasn't all that surprised by it, her being the mentor character and all. There were more impactful deaths for me, like Roth/Nele & the Schniezer brothers. Katida's fate if you recruit her was also a bit of a gut punch.

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>>14388073
Naw, I meant his own ship, the Rudianos. I know he customized it for more firepower and all, but it seems like he could have picked something a bit less mediocre to work with.

Reminder that Valentine did NOTHING WRONG!

>>14388637
I think that was the whole trail thing.

He and his siblings go out alone and whoever comes back alive is recognised as an heir or something.

>>14388802
Valentine spent way to much time dicking around but other than that he was far from the worst.

>>14389272
But his older brother had a battleship, one apparently based off of the Erebos (or vice versa), a fairly high end custom ship design.

>whoever comes back alive is recognised as an heir or something
Actually it was about accumulating glory. This is why Cico kept picking fights with opponents way out of his league, it could get him more fame and acknowledgement faster. Though Oisin decided to just off the competition.

>>14388802
>>14389279
He stole Yuri's plot device (though after Yuri had already parted with it) because Yuri wasn't ready yet, and dealt him a non-permanent injury. Apart from that he did nothing but swoop in and save the day.

>Valentine spent way to much time dicking around
Well yeah, but only because he had to wait on you.

>>14385002
More balls than sense

I really liked his friendship/rivalry with Yuri