Macross Delta

>>14302345

> Mikumo asking you to break her and to come feel her

Tease.

I can't wait for him to die while shooting down that white knight.

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Why are you raging homosexuals even STILL watching this?

>catchy songs they said

>fun show they said.

Nothing but awkwardly placed idol singing shit during dramatic, tense scenes and the same 3 trite songs get played over n over n over throughout each episodes.


Calling it now, this shit is worse than frontier and it will end exactly the same.

>>14302400
>Nothing but awkwardly placed idol singing shit during dramatic, tense scenes
Been a trait since 7

>and the same 3 trite songs get played over n over n over throughout each episodes.
This is factually wrong

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>8000 years in the future THIS gesture is still an insult.
WOW WOW.

>>14302405


Yet, it still doesn't change the fact that the show is complete garbage and offers nothing new to an already trite and tired franchise that simply keeps regurgitating the same concepts. Incoming all out war with contrailling missles everywhere and idols in the backdrop hurrrrrrrrrrr. Motherfucker, at least firebomber was catchy and original at the time.

>>14302427
>and offers nothing new to an already trite and tired franchise that simply keeps regurgitating the same concepts.
It's so far the only mainline TV series to actually be doing something with the Protoculture for real. It's actually using the lore that has been in the background for pretty much everything except Zero for the actual plot. And having the same concepts doesn't mean the series themselves are the same
> Incoming all out war with contrailling missles everywhere and idols in the backdrop hurrrrrrrrrrr.
If you have a problem with all out war with contrailing missiles, just get out

>>14302423
And? Its like giving someone the middle finger, its eternal.

>>14302427
If it weren't for those things they couldn't call it Macross anymore, dope.

>>14302447
>inb4 "WELL MACROSS IS SHIT ANYWAYS"

>>14302423
404 is still around in the future too

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>>14302447
You can have a Macross that's just transforming jets. Call it Macross Classic.

>>14302423
A thousand years ago, comparing someone to feces was as valid a way of insulting as it is today, shithead.

>>14302453
But Itano Circus and idols have been around since SDF Macross. There would be nothing classic about it.

>>14302453
>You can have a Macross that's just transforming jets.
That's not Macross, that's just some mecha with transforming jets. You need the love triangle and the singing in some fashion to be important too. And some form of bad guys that are in need of Culturing

>>14302345
>when you're in the middle of a class but you have to take a shit so bad

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>>14302373
A double knockout would be garbage. There must be a decisive end to the rivalry

>>14302471
Nah the white knight would live, he would get a better jet and fights the MC.

>>14302476
That would just be copying SDF more or less, just a little more direct.

>Mentor dies
>MC takes his place in the team
>Becomes way more important

I like that Hayate's only like the fourth best guy on the squad

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Hayate doesn't need to fight Keith when he's already going to be dealing with Bogue trying to kick his ass for the rest of the series

>>14302481
But it would make Mirage and Hayate better pilots.

>>14302490
There's a number of ways you can do that without killing someone off. In fact I'm pretty sure Mirage is already somewhere in the early stages of it by realizing she will need to chill the fuck out and fly freely like Hayate

>>14302471
Messer and the white knight'll duel. Messer will be edging out on top when windemere reinforcements will show up and end him.

>>14302493
>Hayate needs to be able to act a bit more like a soldier
>Mirage needs to relax a little and read the tides of battle
>Messer is a full blown merc
Did you know...

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>>14302501
>A lead character dying to grunts
Hahaha

And the MP VF-31s will get more screentime

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Hey guys, general reminder what the true OTP is

>>14302453

> you could have a Marcross without contrailing missiles and idols
> posts a webm of a Macross that had both
> you could call it Macross Classic
> implying there'd be anything classic about it

If you want more Plus just say it.

>>14302524
Nah she is gonna go to ojii-san pilot because Messer is flying with tons of death flags.

>>14302453
>Call it Macross Classic.
How would that be classic?
SDF Macross practically INVENTED Japanese idol culture, and the Itano Circuis is still called the "macross missile massacre" by some faggots.

Plus is the exception, not the rule.

>>14302553
>N-no b-b-but muh Plus.

>>14302548
>flying with tons of death flags.

Maybe he can Gamlin his way out of them.

>>14302556
I wish I liked Plus as much as other people do. The fights are grand as hell but I just hated everybody and the plot

>>14302548
>Nah she is gonna go to ojii-san pilot
There are literally no flags there. I mean, I thought at first there was but as the show went on, they aren't really pairing them

>>14302564
I like watching the movie version of Plus. It looks really nice but I think of the people who want Macross to be just Plus all the time to be the same people who love everything about 0083 in Gundam.

>>14302600


Faggot, I just want macross minus the emphasis on the whole idol(s) bullshit. One idol is more than enough than having 5 just to cater to each sub group faggotry in japan. And a more refined sound like that of Sheryl, sharon etc etc without the chipmunk shit that's clearly aimed at loli loving cancer.

>>14302453
I like Macross Plus to as well anon, but wake up and face the reality:

PLUS is just an OVA/movie
PLUS started as something not related to Macross initially
PLUS doesn't add anything to Macross world building other than its technology
PLUS characters are irrelevant to Macross universe

PLUS is irrelevant to Macross Universe other than as an eye candy and supplemental material. STOP using PLUS as standard as how Macross should be..

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So how exactly does one protect someone else without fighting?

It's like saying "I wanna be a NASCAR driver but I don't want to get my driver's license."

>>14302719
>macross minus the emphasis on the whole idol(s) bullshit
That's not macross anymore.

May I suggest other series?

>>14302726
More like he does not want to kill, which so far he has not. He does fight though and he knows he has to.

>>14302789
>which so far he has not
Wait what

>>14302726
I once read an air force pilot say something along the lines of "Pilots don't join the air force because they want to kill, they join because they want to fly."

>>14302804
I don't recall him ever killing anybody. I believe the bellri lookalike was shot by Mirage, I think? I don't know I might need to rewatch that. Yeah I will go rewatch that.

>>14302808
Thats a good man. I respect people who want to fly.

>>14302808
That's why I signed up for the air force, too.

I didn't make it.

>>14302823
We'll always have Ace Combat anon

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>>14302789
That makes more sense.

I'm enjoying his and Freyja's interactions. They're a cute couple, but I dread future episodes knowing Japan's love for shitty forced melodrama and dumb love triangles.

>>14302823
I know that feel. I tried too. Hopefully someday we can both fly anon. Someday.

>>14302829
In the latest episode there was a misunderstanding but it was cleared said episode.

Yeah they are a cute couple, too bad Freyja will only live till 30.

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>>14302812
Nah, Bellri was almost ready to take out Mirage, which is why Hayate had no time to take it easy and aim to disable. That's also why Hayate was depressed the episode after.

>>14302812
Hayate killed Bellri in order to save Mirage. I don't know how you got that mixed up since the last part of that episode was Hayate dealing with how he killed someone.

>>14302833
>>14302823
Nothing stopping you two from going to a civilian air academy and learning to fly Cessnas.

>>14302842
Yeah just rewatched it, yeah my mistake. At least he understands and got over it.

>>14302841
But we're only 9 episodes in. How many episodes is Delta planned for?

>>14302842
>That's also why Hayate was depressed the episode after.
No he wasn't

>>14302833
Do what I did, get your private pilot's license and fly cessnas. The flight sensation is just the same, and you'd be amazed at the kind of shit you can pull off in those clunky cessnas.

>>14302841
Pull her brain out and stick it in a robot body

Or did Galaxy fuck that up for everyone?

>>14302846
What? All this fucking time I could have gotten to my dream of flying and instead I am stuck working a fucking job I fucking hate that barely pays for everything I need.

FUCK.

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>>14302726
He joined Delta squad to protect Freyja and fly around and do whatever. But then he got a dose of reality in episodes 4 and 6 so he's cool with fighting now and doesn't showboat anymore

>>14302851
Dunno.

>>14302856
Yeah, I am going to do that.

>>14302858
Your state might have a flight academy. There's one near where I live. Literally five minute drive from me. If I wanted, I could be flying. It's my dream to fly too, but I'd like to fly helios instead of jets.

>>14302866
Yeah there is one the city over. Yeah I am going to do that.

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>>14302869
Well aren't you the lucky one.

>>14302719
The only one with a particularly cutesy-wutesy singing voice is the pink one. Everybody else has varying tones of voice. JUNNA's voice as Mikumo is very refined on that note

>>14302829
>but I dread future episodes knowing Japan's love for shitty forced melodrama and dumb love triangles.
The director seems to keep insisting the love triangle is faint and even called it a feel-good love triangle. I am not sure how that's even possible but we'll see.

>>14302857
I think anything involving cybernetics shut the fuck down after the Galaxy incident

>>14302548
Kaname and Arad are more like Kathy and Jeffery.

Odds of Messer surviving the series ___

>>14302904
45%

>>14302345
Would you say he's just having a guld old time?

>>14302904
30%

The man flies with so many death flags he put the grim reaper on his VF.

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Kawaii.

Mikumo's kinda scary.

>>14302920
I swear I think Mikumo is some android singer. Or some other shit. All I know is that she is going to play a huge role.

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>>14302920
I want this anglerfish to win so bad

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>>14302942
Looks like she will. It's nice to see a male MC who doesn't pussyfoot around. Though I wish they bring back that sick footwork from episode 1 soon.

>>14302951
Also its not one sided it seems.

>>14302951
>Looks like she will.
She's leading but it's way too early to call. This isn't like Frontier where shipping was everything and Sheryl was just so in front of everybody it was almost a joke

>>14302956
Yeah, that too. I think it's my favorite thing about Delta.

>>14302958
I don't know man
I'm getting a Ranka vibe from Frejya
I just want to protect her and help her find a good husband

Now I'm not saying that Sheryl was best girl, it was clearly Klan Klang. Then again I'm not saying Mirage is best girl, that's clearly Mikumo.

I actually don't know what I'm saying. There are different factors going on here, but Ranka and Frejya are in very similar roles, only Frejya is way more genki.

>>14303026
>I'm getting a Ranka vibe from Frejya
Only on the surface like from an outside point of view, but not in terms of character. If I was to make a comparison, I would say Freyja is dominating just as much as Sheryl was the difference being Hayate isn't being a blushing harem MC about it like Alto so there isn't any romantic development going on until this episode.

>>14303026
Yeah, but Hayate seems more into Freyja then Alto was into Ranka.

>>14303026
I know I want to be that big brother or Frejya for some reason.

Was Klan born the standard Meltran way or as a result of sexual reproduction between male and female Zentradi? Hell, are there any Zentradi born that way? Aren't they all clones or genetically engineered or something? It's not like there aren't precedents for Meltrandi giving birth.

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>>14303033
Alto was a stoic
To be perfectly honest, until the end I thought there was a good chance of Alto going "Fuck this shit, the Future of frontier isn't going to rest on who I love." and spend the rest of the series single or with Michael.

>>14303038
Hayate doesn't seem to be in to anything. I mean he's growing as a character but I don't think that either of them are beyond friendship yet.

Then again I might be biased. Hayate is also the kind of person who pisses me off. He reminds me too much of myself

>>14303039
P R O T E C T
T H A T
S M I L E

>>14303066
Of course I would protect that.

>>14303066
I want to protect that smile. Hopefully she gets many many years to smile.

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>>14302427
>it still doesn't change the fact that the show is complete garbage and offers nothing new to an already trite and tired franchise that simply keeps regurgitating the same concepts.
Are you describing Gundam? Because that definitely sounds like Gundam to me.

>>14302481
>I like that Hayate's only like the fourth best guy on the squad
Well that are only 4 guys on the squad and 1 gal.

>>14303115
He gets a huge stat boost when Freyja sings though. We don't know how he stacks up against the others during a syncronisation event yet.

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>>14303038

yeah well, Kikaru was super into Minmei too

That said, Is it weird that as a Miragefag I want Mirage to loose? Id just really rather she not be a love interest and her own story about becoming a better pilot and wingman to Hayate is much cooler. Chick bros rule.

>>14303129
It's not weird at all
Hayate isn't any good for anyone in his current state.

>>14303129
Nah that is perfectly fine. I would fucking love that.

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>>14303134
Well not everyone can be as sexy and well regarded as Alto.

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>>14303140

make an entire squadron of space amazons gush their panties and then you can talk about sex appeal

>>14303140
Alto's case was the opposite.
No one was good enough for him.
He had to settle.

>>14303148
He died a virgin though.

So are the MUH KAZE faggots wearing invisible helmets?

>>14303169
Yes.

>>14302400
AND WE

>>14303152
Only the sky was good enough.

>>14303169
How are you supposed to feel MUH KAZE if you had a helmet?

>>14302519
Why aren't they using VF-25s for their grunts?

>>14303241
SMS was running combat trails on the VF-25 during Frontier. The Spacy might have decided not to do a full roll out for any number of reasons, and I think by the end of the Varja conflict the VF-17 had been updated to VF-25 specs

>>14302904
Pineapple salad (Classic ver.)

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How do you color your VF-25s /m/? Ozma's is still grayish when painted white, and every time I try to make a black VF-25 it looks a lot edgier than other black valks.

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>>14303302
Why not Char red?

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>>14303140
>tfw you'll never win the Alto bowl and make him your waifu

>>14303302
Accept it
Embrace the edge
Like Messer once Kaname bites it

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>>14303309
Not a bad idea. I'd use Klan's since it colors better but the perma-yellow on the fins trigger me, as well as Ozma's having a cooler head.
>>14303322
No, please. The thought is too terrible to bear.

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>on a whim check out what plays after the ED
>it's a kicker
Fuck, I wish shows with kickers were more obvious about which episodes have kickers and which have next episode preview.

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>>14303333
Looks like you're now 3 times faster... Times 4!

The idol shit is horrible. It's a crying shame that it's viewed as a staple of Macross. Aliens being hurt by singing is probably one of the worst plot devices ever conceived, but just in general the whole idol thing is unnecessary. It could just be a gritty war/survival drama about transforming robots on a giant transforming robot ship, and the world is destroyed, and these people are fighting bitterly alone against a superior alien force. Is that not enough!?

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Really? Really?

Really?

Really?

>>14303322
There's no way Messer would survive that happening

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>>14303362
Pls no bully the Mirage

>>14303322
>Derail expectations from Messer death flags
>Kill off Kaname
>Messer suicides in an attempt for revenge on white knight
Oh no

>>14303361
Go watch more Robotech. Not even kidding. That's exactly what you want.

>>14303362
This just makes me think Mirage is a better waifu.

>>14303361
>people are fighting bitterly alone against a superior alien force
You can go many places for that really boring and over played premise.

>>14303362
Listen to that scene again, I'm fairly certain Mirage finishes that statement with a Nyan. She's just having fun, which is nice to see.

>>14303527

from the previews I was expecting her to be a lot bitchier. But no the only really bitching she's done was completely justifiable given how huge a cunt Hayate was.

>>14303537
Ditto here. Like Mikumo is a million times bitchier then Mirage.

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>>14303543
Mikumo being a bitch really just comes across as tough love

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>>14303527

just checked. She says it twice. Subs probably should have went with NYO cat puns because Freya does react to her joke

>>14303547

Nah Messer was tough love. Mikumo is just catty

>>14303527
she doesn't actually. It's a just typically japaneseism, to repeat the topic at the end for clarity (the topic being nyans). It's not like she's being a bitch even with this revelation though either way

>>14303547
There's tough love, then there's "Jesus Christ lady you're gonna make that poor girl kill herself"

Mikumo isn't in the former category.

>>14303556
You're clearly exaggerating. And it's meant to come off as tough love, but they did overdo it back in episode 4. You don't tell someone just minutes before their debut that they're a goner if they mess up. Like, don't put pressure on someone just before a performance, jesus.

>>14303564

It's pretty clear she's having some fun at the poor girls expense. She probably is looking out for her but she's not above getting a giggle.

When will Mirage get bullied?

>>14303567
No it's more like the writers overlooked it. It's fine for her to put pressure on her, she wants her to perform better, and if she can't make it it's not untrue either that they don't need her. But you don't say that minutes before a live.

>>14303569
she got punched in episode 8

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Was this kid raised in a barn? You don't go into someone's home and just start pawing their stuff.

>>14303556
[it ain't me playing in the distance]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9t4FgmaKOy8

>>14303578
That doesn't count, that was sexual.

so any cool Delta toys announced yet? Id love a Mirage Siegy

>>14303581
The plot required him to suddenly lose respect for someone else's possessions.

>>14303598
>>14303581
Considering Hayate is an orphan and was a hobo who couldn't hold down a steady job before joining Walkure, he was probably trying to steal it and pawn it.

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>>14303302
Some of the presets are pretty good.

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>>14303607
>Hayate's been stealing shit from Chaos Ragna since episode 2 and selling it
>This will be a plot point in the second half
>mfw

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>>14303597

>>14303129
I'd be fine with that too. She is my favorite character so far.

>>14303637

Nice.

well not so much for my wallet. Why are valks always so expensive

>>14303637
Can't decide between Arad's or Messer's.
Do we have a pic of the head designs for all of them?

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>>14303656

>>14303661

Arad and Mirage's are my favorites. Hope to see some transformables of them soon

>>14303661
Too tiny. I like the side horns much better than the single horn like on Hayate's.

>>14303661
Messer-ki is best girl

>>14303667
>horns
They're laser cannons. Also interesting that Hayate's the only one with just the one

>>14303671
Because it's the junior model.

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>>14303667

>>14303675
macross protag's never used the single cannon head model before, is what I'm saying.

Though you're right the single cannon head typical is used by fodder pilots

>>14303679
Hikaru did use a VF-1A in DYRL.

>>14303679
Does the YF-29 not count? It wasn't even a gun there, just a horn.

And now I join the waiting for subs club. Didn't expect I'd finish all of Delta in a single day.

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>>14302823
>tfw when you've joining the airforce as a mechanic

Close enough i guess.

>>14303697
Subs for ep 9 were out for a couple of days by now.

>>14303682
He switched to the 1S after Roy's death. So did Max.

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>>14303679
Isamu's YF-19 and VF-11B, Hikaru's VF-1A, Shin's VF-0D and VF-0A say you're wrong.

>>14303703
Yup. Kinda glad I started now and now 20+ episodes from now.

>>14303714

antenna not losers

>>14303661
This just makes it even more obvious that Hayate and Mirage will not end up together. Their VFs don't even complement each other.

>>14303728

man you guys will reach for any straw you can reach

>>14303723
I started watching when ep3 came out, and weekly eps are fine for me since i go just enough free time to sit on the shitter for 20min's and enjoy some VF action and singing.

>>14303129
I'm perfectly fine with that as long as it's a two-way "we're best wingmates" thing. No forever unrequieted and repressed love hiding beneath the bromance BS.

And ESPECIALLY no "marry Freyja, move over to Mirage when she expires" BS.

>>14303739
>spoiler
YOU SHUT THE FUCK UP. DON'T YOU DARE MENTION THAT AGAIN!

THEY'LL FIGURE OUT A WAY. LOVE WILL WIN! REMEMBER LOVE!

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>>14303739

Well that's kind of my big concern. Like a little crush may be fine but I really want this shit to resolve cleanly for a change. No heart break, no turning her into to a damsel who needs rescuing. Just let them be comrades

>>14303738
It's fine. I have other shows I need to watch. Like Garo. G-Reco, Arvegelion, ZZ Gundam, and M3.

>>14303739
I'd prefer them coming to mutually respect and rely on one another, and fall in love that way.

>>14303747
So do i.

But not a whole lot, just Victory Gundam and Votoms (Yes, all of it since i'm a pleb) left for now.

>>14303406
>Kill off Kaname
>Messer suicides in an attempt for revenge on white knight
Anon please.

I got some ideas to make that better.
>Messer goes Var'd in the fight, but he plays the song in the bracelet as he slowly goes uncontrollable
>The song has the effect of him only focusing on Keith the whole time despite flying around shit that could have distracted him while he was fully Var'd
>Var'd Messer shoots down Keith, then rampages through the enemy's fleet
>While destroying VFs and ships everywhere, in his Var'd state, he suddenly sees a vision of Kaname
>Reaches his hand out and accelerates faster and faster till he dies from the Gs and the VF falls apart

>>14303754
I find the whole "love forged in battle" thing appealing, so that works for me.

>>14303789
It runs in the family.

>>14303787

>Starts going Var
>Divine Winds himself into the enemy flagship

>>14303787
Nah. Kaname dies, Messer goes full hulk, turns the limiter off and rams Keith.

>>14303804
You gotta play up the Walkure/Valkyrie symbolism as well

>He sees a vision of Kaname just before he dies

Guys

Guys

Messer dies

Kaname becomes a pilot.

>>14303808
Followed by a close-up of Hayate and Mirage shouting MESSAA-TAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII!!

>>14303724
Those are all head lasers you idiot. Stop posting.

>Messer says one-on-one duels rarely happen in the battlefield
>spends the rest of the show only doing one-on-one duels with Keith

>>14303787
>>14303804
>>14303800
Neither of them are gonna die. Stop being melodramatic. I guarantee you there's gonna be an UNDERSTANDING ending where Walkure, Delta Platoon and the Aerial Knights all survive and team up. Even the Bellri lookalike didn't die. Screenshot this post so your grandchildren will know I was right.

>>14303812
Yes
Yes
Yes

>>14303812
>My Boyfriend Was A Pilot

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>>14303815

>>14303815
>Even the Bellri lookalike didn't die

but he did

It's gonna be Fishbro

>>14303839
>>14303815
Bellri will be some Protoculture spirit, like the things in Fire Emblem, come back as a slave to the true evil.

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>>14303815
>spends the rest of the show only doing one-on-one duels with Keith
He actually directly acknowledged this in this episode even

>Even the Bellri lookalike didn't die.
Yeah he did

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>>14303066
>Alto was a stoic
I don't know what your definition of a stoic is but I'm pretty sure Alto does not qualify as one. In the entire show he had two distinct emotional states, either angry moody teenager or blushing romcom protag

>>14303839
>>14303874
Just watch. Make sure you screencap that post. So that when I'm right you'll have something to show your grandchildren.

>>14303882
>So that when I'm right you'll have something to show your grandchildren.

Well at least Ill have people to show

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>>14303879
He's just too beautiful for this world

>>14303939
He was the best girl.

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>>14303945
Ahem.

>>14303956
Only when full-sized.

>>14303956
>That filename.
Man, Fleet of the Strongest Women was an erection from beginning to end.

>>14303957
Both sizes of Klan are best thank you very much

>>14302345
He is not going to be the pineapple salad of Delta, right ?

>>14303161
>He died a virgin though.

After having brougth the power of orgasm to the universe.

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>>14303956

>You will never be childhood friends with a giantess
>You will never sleep in her dolls house when you have a slumber party at her house
>She will never confess her true feelings at the perfect moment to activate your death flag

Feels bad man

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KanaMess

>>14304006
>Reina's bust is the only one with no open mouth
Every time. Is she trying to be a ventriloquist?

Haha all the Wind haters will hate it when Chaos will help Windermere from being nuked by evil NUNs

>>14304049
They're called NUGs now. Those damn NUGers, always gotta ruin everything!

>Windermere must be glassed
Missing the point of Macross.

>>14304080
Like I said. UNDERSTANDING ending. Walkure, Delta Plat and Aerial Knights will team up. Nobody is going to die.

>>14304080
They already glass themselves, they don't need help.

Macross does UNDERSTANDING better than Gundam y/n?

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>>14303679
In Macross Zero the protagonist used two of them

>>14304097
Gundam's whole point is that UNDERSTANDING is a load of shit and only human interaction can solve conflicts and bring happiness. Even Unicorn got that.

Some shows just didn't get the memo *cough 00 cough*

>>14304137
Hard to have "human interaction" with a bunch of aliens.

Unless you're talking about the tv series, in which case you're full of shit. That wasn't even an UNDERSTANDING ending, the conflict was solved by exterminating the Innovades. In tv 00, violence was the answer.

>>14304171
I almost made a fool of myself. I misunderstood what you had posted and wrote about half my post before I took a minute, stepped back, reread your post, then realized my mistake. I'm sorry for what I almost did. I will go sit on a mountain and mediate on my failing for a century.

>>14302883
>and even called it a feel-good love triangle.

...isn't that just friendship? The three of them seemed to bro it up good in most episodes.

>>14304340
That wouldn't be a love triangle then. That would just be three friends.

By feel-good love triangle, I think it means one where it isn't the most and solely important aspect of the story and definitive of the characters lives

>>14304344

I'm just hoping it means one where the third wheel moves on and finds new purpose and life aside the triangle by the end of the show, and it isn't an Evol end. That said, Freyja definitely kicked off the triangle this episode, even if she was able to get over it and was kind of embarrassed about doing so in the end.

>>14303361

Only 7 had aliens hurt by singing, and even then the singing wasn't the main cause according to fluff. Even without idols though Macross wouldn't be a gritty war/survival drama about transforming robots on a giant transforming ship where people fight alone against aliens in a bitter battle or being bitter about. That wasn't even true in II, Plus or Zero. If you want that, look elsewhere cause Macross has never and will never fulfill that wish.

>>14302423
>8000

it's like 70 years at best

>>14304352
>I'm just hoping it means one where the third wheel moves on and finds new purpose and life aside the triangle by the end of the show
That's pretty much what always happens.

>>14304420

It didn't happen with Mylene, Gamlin, Ranka or Guld. More importantly, it didn't happen in another fairly recent Kawamori show and I'm hoping we just avoid more of that, regardless if how often it happens elsewhere. Which I stated fairly clearly in my post.

>>14304438
>Mylene
She wasn't the third wheel, she was the center
>Gamlin
He did move on. By the end of Dynamite 7 he doesn't even seem to care about Mylene anymore
>Ranka
In the series yes, in the movies, no
>Guld
Ded

How come the Sky Knight's Draken is as maneuverable as the Delta' Siegfried when the former is multi-role aircraft with heavier load out ( each has two Ghost fighter, each of the fighter has their own missile and fuselage) and the later is an interceptor ?

>>14304533
windemeran engineering

>>14304533
Because the weight of the VF is mostly irrelevant when the thrust-weight ratio is like 40.

The vernier thrusters in Macross-verse could make a Ghost zigzag through the fucking atmosphere.

>>14304560
Then why NUNs did not give all VF armored pack for increase both defense and attack capacity while not affect the maneuverability of the aircraft?

>>14304560

Plus the drones can act as rotating engines, able to spin a full 360 to give thrust in any direction, which probably offsets the weight and drag they add.

>>14304576
Because armored packs, before the VF-25's, forces the VF into battroid and keeps it that way until they purge it. Battroid-only is way less versatile than being able to switch between all 3 modes with say, a super pack, and still be faster and more armed than a VF with no packs.

That said, in atmospheric conditions, a VF with the armor pack has no control surfaces for that, it would literally fly on thrust alone. It works, but thrust vectoring+control surfaces works better in atmospheric conditions.

>>14304576
>why NUNs did not give all VF armored pack for increase both defense and attack capacity
Armored Packs are really heavy

>>14302519

More closely resembles the YF-30 than the VF-31.

>>14304707
the 31 is pretty much the MP version of the 30

>>14304711
Did't 30 involve time travel or something?

>>14304711
Yea but it's like they created two off shoots, one higher spec 31 and another tan version for grunts which varies significantly.

They made a MP version of an MP version.

>>14302719

>more refined sound

>May'n

Yeah, we're going to have to talk about that.

So apparently Delta is the first voiceover for Freyja's VA. Also she has this accent because of her VA.

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Am I the only one who thinks the Draken and Siegfried seems less advanced compared to VF-25/27/29?

>>14304762
durandal was a one off prototype

>>14304725
nah i think delta force's 31s were stock then heavily upgraded by whoever's bankrolling the operation

While we're on the subject of the Chronos, does the Siegfried's battroid store the wings better than the Chronos?

>>14303956
Armored Klan a best.

>>14303812
That'd be some hardcore training for her to be useful.

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I'm surprised this isn't BEST girl considering her love for the mecha.

>>14304879
To be fair, she is a very secondary character right now.

>>14304879
She's incredibly secondary. I like her /m/ antics but she's not the best girl. I mean, to me anyway. She can your waifu, I'm not here to judge

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Hi-metal VF-1J

>>14302524
>muh kaname
Messer has good taste.

>>14302726
>So how exactly does one protect someone else without fighting?

ORE NO UTA WO KIKE

>>14302942

YOU WISH SO BAD

SHE LL LOSE SO HARD

IN THE END

>>14303362
Why is Freyja such a racist.

Any chance that Kawamori actually kills off one of the idol singers. I don't think it's ever been done before...and no Sharon Apple doesn't count.

>>14305106
Probably Kaname. Her song is life

>>14305106
What happens to the irl concerts if a character dies, though.

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Im gonna be very bummed if Mirage doesn't go giant at least once

>>14305106
>Kawamori killing off idols
Hahahahaha

>>14305220
Mirage is a failure, she doesn't have enough zentradi blood to go big. She's only good at whining and feeling miserable.

>>14305244

go die at 30

>>14305106
Macross Zero had her pretty dead

>>14305252
Go blame Kawamori, a man known for letting people down again and again.

>>14304061
The way they're translated and shortened is a mess really.

>>14305220

That honestly could be kind of great

> The Ariel Knights lead an infiltration mission to sabotage Walkure, backed up by reinforcements of windemeren soldiers once the defenses are brought down. the goal is to cripple the Elysium before any planes can be launched.
> Windemere soldiers prove too goddamn strong and fast to hold back in the blitz,
> Mirage can't make it to the launch pad, not sure what to do
> screw it
> Mirage gets Macronized, goes to town on the knight

REMATCH, BITCHES

>>14305359
its not as if normal humans can't be macronised

>>14305370

I dunno. The only time we have ever seen it happen was in DYRL, which is of especially dubious cannonicity. Like, we know that the events of DYRL didn't really happen that way.

>>14305359

Nah.

>Arial knights decided to get the drop on our heroes
>Infiltrate the planet
>Get ready to attack
>suddenly get punted by macromirage

>>14304087

Except we're a good way through the show and there's no true inkling of any hidden machinations. It's not like the Vajra, Zents or sort of the Protodevlin where misunderstandings were involved, these people are idiots who dropped a bomb on themselves, fucked themselves up royally, and respond by attacking and mind-controlling anything and everything that isn't them.

Even if a third party turns out to be responsible they're still assholes.

>>14305421
>hese people are idiots who dropped a bomb on themselves, fucked themselves up royally
Wait a minute there anon. There's a pretty good chance that we aren't getting the full or true story on what happened there

>>14305523

It's pretty obvious that all the leader Winders are cunts

>>14305632
Ketchup-sama will save us.

>>14304006
I'm so getting that ReiRei

>>14305632
I would absolutely love if the King caused it and then blamed the NUN and he actually believes it.

I swear I think winders are naturally stupid.

>>14305689
It's almost implied that the leaders know they used the dimension weapon on themselves, but use propaganda to make the rest of the Zeon citizens think the Feddies did it. Now weather or not the rest of the Chimera Corps is aware of this is debatable.

>>14305632
>Calling Heinz a cunt
Don't you dare

>>14305380
There was Graham in Dynamite 7. Granted he's a Zolan but Zolans were never macronized before then either.

>>14305721
Nah Heinz is clueless to what actually happened, though he will switch once he figures out that the King did it. Then he will die.

I don't think the king knows about it because he was all like "hold to your hatred and revenge" and stuff to Heinz. And I'm pretty sure a theme will be "revenge is bad" so that wouldn't work if he know they nuked themselves

>>14305721
I through Heinz is doing all the shit for Keith

>>14305758
Again what if he is an idiot.

>>14305689
>I swear I think winders are naturally stupid.
Well they were still using rocks and fire before the humans gave them electricity and the wonderful technology that followed.

>>14305764
He is. It's obvious in any other series Heinz would be the doting trap little brother who has a more or less super obvious brocon fetish. So basically what he is now, but with less suffering.

Though to be honest, it's surprising that homosexuality is even a concept, considering that no one lives past 30, making new babies so that your race doesn't die out in 60 years seems more important then SJW Cult bullshit.

>>14305792

That's not remotely surprising, since for much of human history the average lifespan would have been around 30 if not lower and that didn't stop us. Plus, it's not like if some guys are gay everyone else will stop making babies. Not that I have any idea why this is even being brought up since Heinz doesn't seem to be gay at all.

>>14305771
The windermeres who actually dropped the bomb have probably all died of old age already.

>>14305806
Oh man that would be fucking great.

What if it is a third party like with Grace though? Maybe some anti-NUGs set off a bomb, then bankrolled Windermere.

>>14305837
I think that a third party was involved, but they tricked someone in Windermere to bomb themselves or someone turned traitor to start the war

>>14305837
Right now we haven't see anything resembling a third party

>>14305845
I really do think that the whole thirty year life span makes things interesting because as
>>14305806
said, everybody who knows is either dead or not inclined to talk anyways, especially from the NUG higher ups.

>>14305847
>Right now we haven't see anything resembling a third party
Not yet

>>14305802
>for much of human history the average lifespan would have been around 30 if not lower
Only because so many people died in infancy and early childhood, dragging the average down. If you survived the first 7-8 years, you could usually expect to live into your fifties at least.

>>14305937
Grace and Galaxy were mentioned from episode 01 of Frontier, and the Protodeviln were there from episode 01 of 7. The only possible third force in Delta is the Ragnans or the jellyfish.

>>14305806

I guess the biggest concern about a 30 year life span is that your history gets muddled a lot quicker than most.

I mean Windermerian A can be 20 something. Have a kid. Die. That kid will grow up. HAve their own kid. Die. And the third kid will only know what their folks said as fact meanwhile you're in you're 60s being all "Ummm no. That's bullshit. I was fucking there"

>>14303637

WANT!!!

>>14306322
Yeah that makes sense, because Winder C won't believe Other Person A who is 60 something because "Muh dad said otherwise"

I like Durandal better than Siegfried.

>>14306364
I hate the thrusters mounted on the wings.
Its too far into spaceship territory.

>>14304725

I got this nigga.

YF 30= YF 19
Delta squadron= sound force customs
VF 31A= VF 19F

It's simple brah.

>>14303241
>>14303241
>Why aren't they using VF-25s for their grunts?

Why would they? The VF-25 is one out of 1027102837123 YF-24 derivatives that SMS was testing, this is a completely different PMC

neo stream's instrumental is dope

>>14306364
>>14304762

sorry guys, the Durandal is objectively over-designed trash. Messiah was already best girl

>>14302345
are those supposed to be veins

>>14302427
>Yet, it still doesn't change the fact that the show is complete garbage and offers nothing new to an already trite and tired franchise that simply keeps regurgitating the same concepts

yeah man, gundam is stale as fuck

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>>14306445
>Implying the messiah is any less lame

Git some taste famicom

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>>14306445
>sorry guys, the Durandal is objectively over-designed
So?

>>14302453
Every single thread, every single fucking thread some guy whos only ever watched or liked Plus comes in here and whines about Macross being Macross.

Like dude, you realize Plus wasn't even supposed to be a Macross thing in the first place right?

Have you even watched SDF before?

>>14302883
Not to mention given how it goes for bodies, she'd probably be brain-fucked by 50-60 anyways, whereas humans are starting to get waaay longer from all the tech in macross too.

>>14303261
Just needs to get together with that waitress first to trigger it.

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>Muh...wai...fu...

>>14306524
beautiful scene, doesn't change the LETS PUT MORE JETS ON THE WINGS aesthetic

>>14306553
God damn this fucker has tons of fucking death flags.

I too prefer the Mesiah to Durandal, I find the color scheme better and the overall silhouette appealing.

Also, Pineapple salad only works if the character is a womanizer, this was already explained in frontier. Steak may be another thing

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>>14306555
Nothing wrong with that.

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>>14306560
They come in different colors.

>>14306555
>doesn't change the LETS PUT MORE JETS ON THE WINGS
I'm still not seeing a problem here.

This is like complaining about the Draken's Little Drakens. Those are jets on the wings too

>>14306571

now if they can just stop it with the forward facing wings

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>>14306582
Never.

>>14306582
>now if they can just stop it with the forward facing wings
>stop it with the forward facing wings
>stop
>forward facing wings
>implying forward facing wings are bad

Son, just dont

>>14306587

I dont know why but the the froward wings work on the Sieg but it bothers the hell out of me with the Durandal

>>14306587
Oh come on, i want my "inspired by" F16 and Blackbird

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I'm honestly waaay more invested in this than I am the main triangle.

>>14306592
The VF-14 and VF-27 are already similar to the Blackbird.

>>14306592
>Blackbird

You already have the VF 14 for that you tard.

>>14306597
The main triangle doesn't even exist romantically yet. Just Freyja maybe figuring out she may have feelings

KanaMess is already full of DRAMA and HEARTACHE so of course we are all going to gravitate toward it

>>14306558
His extreme waifufagging will pull him through. His waifu on the other hand...

>>14306611
If you can have 5 berkut copies i can have 2 blackbirds

>>14306617
Don't you see? He will sacrifice himself to save his waifu.

>>14306664

One of them WILL die. That's certain.

The only question is whether Messer's death flags will catch up with him, probably right aftter/during his admission of feelings...

Or whether Kaname will bite it, sending Messer into a rage the likes of which no one has ever seen.

I could easily see a scene where Messer goes FULL VAR after Kaname's death, Windemere does their song of the wind crap, and to their surprise and growing horror they realize it doesn't work on him. He is just a mad dog on a murder spree, and he won't rest until every Draken is blown out of his sky. For Kaname.

>>14306828
>One of them WILL die. That's certain.
Is it though? Everybody thought Ozma would die

>>14306364
Durandal is quite possibly my favorite VF design, so I'm inclined to agree.

Siegfried still looks rather nice, though.

Is the original Macross worth watching? I haven't watched much anime before and wanted to try something in the Mecha genre.

>>14307057
Yes

>>14307057

Overall yes but it's not without it's lows points and more than a few places made me want to kill myself

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So she's gonna get Var'd, isn't she?

>>14307233
What makes you say that she will be? Mirage hasn't shown any signs of being infected.

>>14307233
Possibly. The director did say one of the nice things about a original series is that you can go back and rewrite scripts in order to foreshadow things and that seemed like some foreshadowing.

>>14307259
Well she could always get infected in the future since Windermere will probably have a new method to spread Var soon enough. Walkure and Hayate seem to be the only truly immune ones due to having fold receptors.

>>14307281
But why Mirage specifically? Arad and Chuck have as much chance of getting infected by Var.

>>14307302
It's going to affect Hayate and Freyja the most, plus we haven't seen a grill get Var'd yet.

>>14307318

this is a fetish thing for you isn't it.

>>14307318
That's beside the point. Mirage Var'd would really affect Freyja as they're not even close. Hayate perhaps but we know he won't shoot to kill even against an enemy. It really won't develop either characters or the plot if she was.

>>14307369

plus it's just really cheap

>>14306597
best macross couple since max n' milia

>>14307233
We've so far only seen men get VAR'd

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>>14307350
Y-yes. Pls no bully.

>>14304762
The VF-31 is on par due to ISC. The Delta Squad VF-31 at least kept the Fold Wave Resonance System from the YF-31.

ラグナ星は年に一度のクラゲ祭りの時期で大賑わい。Δ小隊もワルキューレも、戦争の緊張を忘れて束の間のひとときを楽しむ。ラグナの海神様を称えるクラゲ祭りでは、お祭りの夜にクラゲの下で愛を誓い合った恋人同士が永遠に結ばれる伝説があるという。

脚本:根元歳三

>Planet Ragna is lively with the jellyfish festival that comes once a year. For a brief moment Walkure and Delta squad both forget the tensions of war and enjoy themselves. There's also legend that if two lovers vow their love beneath a jellyfish on the night of festival that honors the seagod, they'll be bound together forever.

>>14307475
>YF-31
YF-30 you mean?

>>14307482
Yeah

Is there a comparison chart between the latest valkyries, from say 25 onwards? I don't feel super confident in telling appart all of them yet.

>>14306524
It;'s funny because when I think of Frontier the first thing to come to mind is always this scene and the rest of the movies.

The movies look so fucking good compared to the series.

>>14307302
Because Mirgae is a main trio character and that would create drama.

Still I'm not sure that she will be specificly unless it's multiple Chaos personal getting infected at the same time.

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>>14307549

>>14307620
Cool. More focus on older stuff though, which I'm confident about already.

Interesting nonetheless.

>>14307617
>Because Mirage is a main trio character and that would create drama
Not really. Though Hayate and Mirage are getting along well with each other they're not that close yet to stir much drama. She won't pose so much of a threat even if she was infected by Var and Arad and Messer will just easily disable her valkyrie. And like this anon said >>14307382 it will just feel cheap.

>>14307657
Uh anon, there is going to be another 18 or so episodes you know. Further down the line it WILL cause drama because by then characters will be developed and everything.

>>14307661

and by then we will have seen so much other shit that it would be incredibly lame. Really I know you're desperate to give your waifu any edge but this is sad

>>14307668
Ok anon

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If we're talking females getting Var'd, wouldn't the bridge bunnies be the prime candidates? I'm thinking Brain Slug-chan is the most likely...

>>14307896
The jellyfish got to her first

>>14307915
>Brain Slug makes her immune to Vars
>"We should all wear brain slugs! :3"
>Chuck's starves to death