Gundam X

>>14289773
Keep watching

>>14289773
Protip: they didn't win.

In fact no one did. What the UNE did was ultimately pyrrhic in nature and backfired on them.

>>14289773
It only gets better.

>>14289773
>No wonder the Not-Federation won
>won
>implying anyone won the 7th space war

>>14289773

They weren't their mass produced mobile suits. They had the Daughtress for that, the Gundams were limited production suits for aces, with mobile bits being built in limited numbers to compliment them.

>>14291187
Tactical victory is victory enough!

>>14291250
They were mass production suits anon, just not as mass produced as the daughtress

So is there any good info about the behind the scenes stuff of X? Mainly just curious if it really did start out as a what if story about the OYW that got changed into something else at the last moment cause it really feels like that at times.

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Fun Fact: The Gundam X's Satellite Cannon sequence was only correctly animated once in the entire series, the prologue.

The famous second episode firing completely fucks its up and has the reflectors unfold as they are on the backpack instead of moving above the X's right shoulder.

Difficulties with animating the Satellite Cannon sequence are a likely reason why the DX's Twin Satellite Cannon is so much simpler.

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>>14291776
Oops, wrong image.

>>14291776
Such a good MG.

>>14291250
The G-Bits are straight up the original gundams with some minor design changes and a Flash System receiver instead of a cockpit. Any given GX Bit could easily be considered a full on Gundam X.

So yes, they were all mass produced.

>>14291772
I've always seen it as a what-if AU loosely based on UC.

Does anyone ever talk about the Newtype dolphin? I was moved by it to be honest familia.

Nobody won the war OP. The Earth got fucked by the colony drops and the colonies got fucked by the satellite cannons and being used as weapons.

And the gundams were limited production ms with their numbers swelled by G-bits, which required newtypes to control the bits and the federation was in short supply of. And iirc the gundams were mostly only used towards the end of the war right before everything got fucked. Their rarity is why they are so valuable at auctions.

>>14291250
They were mass-produced. They weren't grunts, but they were mass-produced.

The King Tiger to the Daughtress's Panther, if you would.

>>14295994
They were mass produced anon, but they only got into action right at the end of the war
There are 3 Xs and dozens of G-bits that we see, and obviously many more throughout the world
And remember op, the war was in space so many gundams would never have got to earth

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>>14289773
I enjoyed the hell out of X. I wish it had a firmer connection to the UC era or its style counterpart Wing but you can't have everything I guess. I suppose I just like self contained universes better at the end of the day.

HGAW Crouda when?

>>14291789

Even if you count the Bits there's probably only a few dozen copies of any of the Gundams. Which isn't really mass production. We probably saw most of the Gundam X's in the prologue for instance, since the Federation almost certainly designed them specifically for a colony drop scenario and has no reason not to field them for it even if they didn't. Or to leave any someplace else instead of using them there.

It's also likely that even if Jamil wasn't the only X pilot, that there weren't many of them, since he probably wasn't firing alone, but most people seem to have failed in some regard considering the scenario in X.

>>14296592

> I wish it had a firmer connection to the UC era or its style counterpart Wing but you can't have everything I guess.
> I suppose I just like self contained universes better at the end of the day.

The first part doesn't sound like someone who likes self contained universes better.

>>14296633
There could have been plenty of X pilots, we only saw one section of the battle a few kilometres across and there were 3 X+bits shown in that (they might have been leopards and airmasters)
Even in SEED they had an entire division of newtypes from the start of the war, im sure they could find quite a few from ten billion

>>14296682

I don't doubt there was more than one X pilot, but I really do doubt there were hundreds of any of the Gundams, even including Bits, since their exclusivity in show would clash with that at the very least. As would their specialised nature. Especially the X.

I also don't believe SEED ever included squads of Newtypes. Even Mwu's old squad didn't include them to my knowledge. And the series itself only had Mwu, Kira and I think Rau. Across both shows.

>>14296691
It is a safe assumption that most Xs would have been destroyed because they were the only things stopping colony drops and as such were the SRA's bigfest target
They did have an entire academy to train these guys so they obviously had a decent newtype stock before the war

>>14296761

And they would've had to destroy plenty of Daughtresses just to get to them, since they'd also have the most protection strategically out of all suits given their nature as a valuable asset. And yet those suits aren't rare at all. And they were around a lot longer to be destroyed too.

Also you can have an academy with only a dozen or two students. Especially if you make the academy part of a larger school.

>>14296761
Wasn't it clarified pretty hard in the series that newtypes were rare as fuck during the war which is why the EF heavily relied on Jamille as the x pilot and he and his girlfriend as the test subjects?

>>14296761
The academy is the not!-Flanagan Institute of X, and was less about training newtypes as it was studying them and developing weapons around them. There were not that many newtypes there.

>>14296633
>Even if you count the Bits there's probably only a few dozen copies of any of the Gundams. Which isn't really mass production.

Anon Garrod finds his GX in the middle of a factory. They were totally pushing those things off the assembly line as fast as they could once they got the whole system working, it's just then the colonies were dropped.

>>14297860

Anon, you do realize that factories can produce more than one thing. And that even if it was set to mass produce X's, then (a) it'd be crazy for the not-Federation to not check that factory for some after the dust had settled and (b) that sentence still tacitly admits they hadn't mass produced it yet.

>>14297871
anon there was a seven year nuclear winter and the new federation didnt know about the factory

>>14297871
You're getting too hung up on the details. There were full on factories for pumping out the Gundams and their corresponding G-Bits. They may have not actually created a number sizable enough to be compared to the Daughtresses, but that doesn't suddenly make them not mass production designs.

Also, you know, factories need materials and workers to run and that's kind of hard to get when everyone's fucking dead.

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>>14297871

At the very least, we know that they had 3 digits for the individual ID of each Gundam (for example, Janmil's is the "GX-9900 NT-002", while the one that Garrod finds is the "GX-9900 NT-001".

There's also the random custom Leopard and Airmaster from the Gundam X Hyper Guide, which suggests that there were quite a bit of those around.

>>14298971

It being in a factory doesn't mean the only possible deduction is that it was mass produced, because a factory can and often does produce lots of different variations of thing. Also, while the electricity might have been gone and the materials no longer delivered and so on, at least one of the designers, military adjutants or what not that knew of it almost certain to have survived if it was known to be pumping them out.

>>14299020

I wouldn't have even taken them for an Airmaster and Leopard, those are some heavy modifications. I can see it after a second or two looking, but on first glance they look very different. I'd take the numbering on the X's to mean a low actual production at the very least. I don't know how official the Hyper Guide is, but if it counts 400 odd Leopard's and Destroys then I'd rescind my argument on those at least assuming it's as official as it sounds. That said, I wouldn't discount the possibility that the government in X counts 400+ as limited numbers, since they control the entire world and probably make thousands or tens of thousands of anything they really produce like the Daughtresses. 500 or 600 is pretty low on a global scale I suppose.

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>>14299042
>but if it counts 400 odd Leopard's and Destroys then I'd rescind my argument on those at least assuming it's as official as it sounds.
Huh? If you're talking about those 413 and 42 numbers, ignored them. Those are just card game stats. I just used that image since it shows both a modified Airmaster and Leopard at once.

>>14299042
>Hey so our big weapon to turn the tide of this war is a bunch of disposable remote-controlled MS. Since we need so much of them since our enemies aren't completely helpless and are fully capable of blowing them up, should we use our factories to pump them out?
>Nah, let's just make a couple and call it a day.

???

What are you even arguing anon?

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>>14299054
>that Gun Master

>>14299042
>at least one of the designers, military adjutants or what not that knew of it almost certain to have survived if it was known to be pumping them out.

Or, you know, they didn't because they all fucking died.

What part of "multiple colony drops" and "seven year long nuclear winter" is so confusing for you? And hell, even if they did know about it, the NUNE didn't really get off their feet until about midway through the show so they wouldn't have had the manpower to spare on checking what must have been dozens of factories just to see if anything still worked. They were too busy cranking out a new army and developing the DX.

>>14299042
I don't think the NUNE would've been so interested in getting G-Bits if they had anyone left who knew how to make the things.

>>14299042
I wouldn't put it past the Frost Brothers to have silently murdered any surviving people who worked on the Flash System just to ensure that no Newtype would ever outshine them again.

>>14299054

Oh right, never mind then I guess.

>>14299074

> Hey this weapon that we could mass produce but which has just one primary use for a very specialized purpose we won't likely see much of is completely materially and monetarily unlimited and we can produce as much as we want

???

What are you even arguing anon?

>>14299090

The part where multiple people involved in the previous Space War are alive and kicking by the time of the show so assuming everyone died that knew of the factory seems kind of silly. And the part where apparently there were dozens of factories producing Xs, not just a handful at most. Or why they wouldn't want one while designing and manufacturing new suits, despite obviously wanting the X in show.

>>14299123
Not going to lie, I can't even parse what your sarcastic response is supposed to be saying. And since when were the Airmaster and Leopard and their corresponding bits extremely specialized weapons?

G-Bits are disposable MS. By their very nature they kind of need some sort of assembly line to pump them out, so I don't see why you're so adamant that the old UNE wouldn't have done that.

>>14299123
So do you just think the GX was the only Gundam the UNE had or something?

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The Airmaster bits are much better looking than Airmaster itself.

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>>14299054

>>14299042
So why do you think there was just a random GX lying around in a factory then if that factory wasn't making it?

>>14299138

The point is that such high quality suits probably used expensive materials and didn't produce much extra results outside specific circumstances.

Also, the G-Bits are never implied to be disposable in a one use and done manner, only in that they could be sacrificed defensively above the controlling unit to save a human life. Which isn't the same thing and doesn't imply thousands of them existing.

I don't think they pumped them out because we just don't see any proof of such. There's only a dozen or so in the prologue, they scarce and highly valuable because of it in the show and with the limited number of newtypes around mass producing doesn't make sense.

>>14299144

No, I think they had three and that while the Airmaster was a speciaized aerial unit the Leopard was a specialized artillery one that had a higher cost per unit than neceassary considering comparable units at the time by the same faction and factoring in things like their armor, the G-bit system and so on.

>>14299150

I do like it's head.

>>14299185

Because I think it's entirely possible the factory only produced a limited number of them, or even maybe just one or two, rather than pumping out a production line of them. And that it also produced other stuff too, rather than just Xs.

>>14299138
>>14299099
>>14299074

Just want to point out something with the g bits.

You need a newtype to control them. And newtypes are supposed to be as hard to find in X as they were in UC. It wouldn't make sense to pump out hundreds of g bits when you most likely only have a few people who can control them.

As for the X itself. While you only need a newtype to establish the initial connection to DOME, the fact that everyone points to Jamille being the one to pull the trigger and actually use the satellite cannon (He's pretty infamous for it in X) leads me to think that the X's use or deployment wasn't very widespread yet. Possibly only being a couple dozen units by the time the colonies started dropping.

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>>14296633
>The first part doesn't sound like someone who likes self contained universes better.
Ya caught me. I just like any series with Gundam on it really, but I think there is something to watching the original M.S. Gundam and watching everything then Unicorn. They are a little disjointed here and there but self contained universes lead to some nice payoffs like char in zeta for example. Its also interesting to see how Zeon has come full circle since the original series well depending on the series anyways.

>>14299179
That Leopard Z'ssa'gok is charming in a clusterfuck kind of way.

>>14299202
>I think they had three
The show disagrees with you as in at least one of the flashbacks there are multiple Airmasters zipping around.

>>14289773
Mots underrated Gundam show. A shame about the cancellation.

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>tfw you will never live in a world with snowboarding mobile suits and newtype dolphins

>>14299020
Swordmaster and Leopard Iron? Why not, gundam hammers are sexy as fuck.

>>14299179
Leo Tank and Leo Diver?

Leopard confirmed for the Getter-3 of the team. Then again it spent half a dozen episodes with dedicated water gear in the actual show, so.

>>14300087

I meant three as in X, Airmaster and Leopard anon. Three designs.

>>14300243
Carry on then. Thought you were the other guy. Mea culpa.

>>14300267

I was the other guy, if you mean the guy arguing they had a limited production. I just meant an exact number of designs in that one case. A screenshhot with a dozen Airmasters (or whatever) doesn't mean they were mass produced.

>>14300243
rip Belphagor

>>14300282
A photo of 12 Tiger Is doesn't mean they were mass produced either.

Y'all niggas need to decide how much 'mass-produced' means, especially for giant expensive war machines.

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How the fuck did this get canned?

if anything this blows wing outta the water

>>14303619
executive meddling

>>14289773
I really liked how it captured the feel of the original, even if they weren't technically in a war they were still all huddled in the White Base-thing.

Newtype dolphins sucked and were the only bad part of this show.

>>14303657
There was literally ONE (1) psychic dolphin in the entire show, and it was psychic for the same reason Tiffa was psychic.

The whole point of the dolphin was to push how Newtypes are really just as much of a sudden mutation as anything else rather than something mystical.

Is there any reason a dolphin couldn't be a newtype?

Hell, UC has newtype monkeys.

>>14303619
Gundam fatigue, perhaps?

Victory Gundam: April 2, 1993 – March 25, 1994
G Gundam: April 22, 1994 – March 31, 1995
Gundam Wing: April 7, 1995 – March 29, 1996
Gundam X: April 5, 1996 – December 28, 1996

They had pretty much been airing Gundam nonstop for over 3 years.

>>14303657
>not liking the newtype dolphin
spotted the landnoid

>>14303768
Why is there no sentai or kamen or precure fatigue, then? Those have been airing for a lot more than three years.

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>Supposed to be the SRA's Zeong equivalent
>Literally only has the finger cannons and ejectable head
Surely they expanded on this thing somewhere, right?

>>14303779
Shorter attention spans from their target audiences.

>>14303793
This one always confused me
They had the bertigo which was literally a qubeley and they give their newtype ace this thing
It looks like it would be a very good mobile suit but I think some funnels wouldnt have hurt

>>14303779

According to the Japanese wikipedia, the issue is that Gundam's 90s ratings were considered low from the start and they had been losing sponsors ever since Victory. Wing broke that trend and gave them a little more time, but they needed another Wing-level success afterwards, not a show performing worse than Victory and G. There's also the issue of the Gunpla sales. X's year, and the immediately following one, had the lowest Gunpla sales for the 90s, so even Bandai didn't have as much interest to keep pushing the tv series, which is why they didn't just replace X with another new Gundam.

>>14303793
IIRC, either SRW or G-Gen gave it funnels coming from inside the "skirt".

The official profile only mentions the 10x beam cannons though, yeah.

>>14303768
I wish the gundam fatigue happened once again and we got a new trendsetter like SEED.

Pretty sure Luna's summon from Tales of Destiny is inspired by Gundam X.

At 1:07.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6QQOcpwgY8

>>14303793
It had funnels in one of the SRW games. I think some material somewhere said that the finger beam cannons double as beam sabers too.

>>14303958
Let its skirt open up like octopi tentacles and reveal some scattering beam cannons underneath or something.

>>14306717
>It had funnels in one of the SRW games. I think some material somewhere said that the finger beam cannons double as beam sabers too.
Although we don't see how, part of Lancerow's flashback shows the Febral and the X clashing in melee from the distance (with both just being streaks of light though), so it had to have some kind of melee weapon to counter the X's Beam Sword.

>>14306771
I just rewatched that scene and they arent actually clashing, just passing close by, so beam sabers wouldnt be necessary
The X doesnt even have its beam saber with it in the bit of the fight we see

>>14303986
IBO is here to do the work of SEED,Wing and X combined.

>>14296691
dumbass, think about the scale of the war even if they didn't produce as many as they did the daughtress there's likely to be hundreds of them if not thousands that got ran off of production lines. The thing to remember is most of them are very likely gone/broken beyond repair at this point. War on any scale is fucking massive and if its in space where you're dealing with battlefields in the millions of Kilometers you can bet your sorry ass there's gonna be a shit ton of anything out there.

>>14299042
the thing is factories also need their lines retooled each time they make a production unless the core of the thing is the same and even then further down the line you still need to swap parts and shit out. Its a production model gundam is all it was made in decent numbers but few likely survived.

>>14309603

Or more likely the factory produced suits other than the X and had production lines set up for those other suits and so didn't need to swap out parts for the whole factory just to change the line. It isn't like equipment that's produced on a limited scale, like particular high end cars with production numbers in only the dozens or hundreds aren't made in a factory too. Being in a factory does not equal mass production by default.

Its important to remember, the gundams were only deployed when the final colony drop started
They wouldnt have had time to make many and they were only in combat for a short while

>>14310111
You mean just the GXes or all Gundam models? Cause I doubt the Airmasters, Leopards, Virsagos, Ashtarons, and Bephelgors were all fielded just at the end of the war, especially with the G-Falcons being made for support.

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>>14310387
Virsago and Ashtaron are post-war models.

>>14310111
They still had enough time to attempt stuff like the Strike Airmaster.

http://www.ultimatemark.com/gundam/gx_timeline.php

According to this timeline translated by Mark Simmons, Gundam development starts in January, and the colony drop is in August, so you'd still get 4 months before "After War" starts. The prologue does say that they continued fighting even after the Colony Drop.

>>14299020
Those never existed, actually; most of the Leopard and Airmaster variants in the Hyper Guide were theoretical upgrades Kid Salsamille had considered for those Mobile Suits before they became the Leopard Destroy and Airmaster Burst.

>>14310420
There's something just incredibly badassfully tragic about two aces just wailing on each other in the rubble of a war that's already ended in nearly total disaster for both sides.

Holy shit, that's metal.

>>14310420

That timeline only mentions they began development in January, not when they were fielded. Unless you're taking Operation L to be something only Gundams could be used in, it seems pointless to rely on that as indicative of the timelune.

>>14310420
>>14312099

Oh wait, yea, I see what you're doing now, implying that there were Gundams in use for at least the four months before the start of the new year/calendar.

We don't know there was any being used then though, and while there was continued fighting then, I'd imagine it was sporadic stuff by remnants trying to hammer a win out of an unwinnable situation out of sheer desperatation. They almost definitely had no real leadership or organisation given what was happening at the time.

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>>14303793
>>14303958
>>14306717
>>14306771
>>14307838
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJIwg6dekAs

>>14310438
The Virsago/Ashtaron ones were theoretical variants, but that's also true for the others? Their description don't seem to mention what makes them unreliable, unlike the Virsago/Ashtaron ones.

Airmaster Burst and,Leopard Destroy are analogous to the X Divider in that they're custom models Kid Salsamil made using the Base units and replacing some if their weaponry after the units got wrecked.

As such, I'm curious what a Double Airmaster or Double Leopard would look like. What would a successor unit to each line be, instead of a custom variant essentially.

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>>14313316

For the Airmaster at least, there's the Strike Airmaster, although it was a prototype made during the war itself, rather than by the New Federation.

>>14310420

It's basically an Airmaster with everything boosted. Twin Satellite Cannons for extra firepower - although it doesn't have a Satellite receiver, so it needs to use its own condensed power to fire and has limited operation time in that case. But they can be used as standard beam cannons too, like the DOME Bits Satellite Cannons.

Extra boosters for high atmospheric flight, able to intercept enemy troops during reentry.

No G-Bits though, since they'd need to be customized to keep up with its new speed.