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>extremely high quality art and animation >very well-produced

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>extremely high quality art and animation
>very well-produced epic soundtrack
>develops the politics and technology of Universal Century to an extremely high depth
>modernises and revamps old, obscure, but well-loved designs while still remaining faithful to their original appearances
>tons of references to old fan favourite characters, stories, mobile suits, and so on
>actually develops the Early Universal Century storyline without just being another OYW spinoff

>plot and characters are absolutely pants on fucking head retarded and shitty

Fucking why?
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Because Gundam never had a plot or cohesive characters since 30 years.
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It's the UC by someone that isn't Tomino. Also, I think Unicorn is highly overrated. It's really not that much different from SEED in terms of what it's trying to be
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>>14281972
>plot and characters are absolutely pants on fucking head retarded and shitty
Pandering to the lowest common denominator brings in money.
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>>14281978
Fucking this!

Unicorn is just another example of a fan getting their fic made legit.
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It's beautiful but I just can't take the characters droning on about how Zeeks have it hard and some stupid kid is always right in what he does.
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Unlike some of the other side materials, this literally was Zeon fanwank in its purest sense
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>>14281991
Did Banana evolve or develop the whole time? I mean, he just kind of reacted to everything around him and just sided with whoever he thought was right at the time, which always happened to be whichever group he was with at the time since they always suddenly grew a conscience whenever he was around. Until, of course, Team Banana is Awesome was formed and every even slightly sympathetic character was thrown onto his side to fight against the cartoonishly evil Federation and Zeon
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>>14281993
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>>14282002
>Riddhe was the bad guy for killing the person who was slaughtering civilians
Christ, it's SEED Destiny tier
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>>14282001
He evolved into space God from his desire to get into the pants of a girl he had like three conversations with if that counts.
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Laplace's Box was the stupidest plot device ever.
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>>14282006
He's the bad guy because he killed a newtype, newtypes are always a priority over oldtype trash lives.
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>>14282002
>>14282006

What was worse? The narrative making Riddhe look bad for executing Zeon Terrorist Scum or the director haphazardly trying to whitewash Loni with that 'her victims don't count as innocent civilians because they're peripherally connected to the military' bullshit?
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>>14282001
Banana is one of the worst protags
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>>14282002
>>14282006
>They actually tried to get us to believe Riddhe was the bad guy after this
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>>14282018
You can be right while still being as asshole.
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>>14282028
That didn't answer his question
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>>14282018
>director haphazardly trying to whitewash Loni with that 'her victims don't count as innocent civilians because they're peripherally connected to the military' bullshit

"Loni didn't do nothin wrong, she a gud grrl."
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>>14282038
>>director haphazardly trying to whitewash Loni with that 'her victims don't count as innocent civilians because they're peripherally connected to the military' bullshit

Source?
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>>14282069
http://pastebin.com/eT7jMp7N

Just the juicy bits:
>"While 40,000 people died at Dakar in the novels, in the OVA most of the damage done was to buildings because it was a holiday."
>"People living at Torrington were affiliated with the army (soldiers and their family) so there was no declaration of war after that either."
>"Frontal had no intention of starting a war, the attacks were mostly to let the Zeon remnants let off some steam. "
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>>14282095
This one really takes the cake though:
>"When Frontal says that he doesn't want to fight, he really means it, and the Neo Zeong is proof of that."
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>>14282095
But Unicorn totally isn't Zeon fanwank right guys?
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>>14282095
>Zeon was just letting off some steam. Don't worry, that city was military affiliated so it's okay :^)

Of course, it all makes sense now. Black Knight is Furuhashi.
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Because it's SEED in UC clothing
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>>14282095
>"While 40,000 people died at Dakar in the novels, in the OVA most of the damage done was to buildings because it was a holiday."

I don't think people randomly de-populate a city just because it's a holiday.
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>>14282154
It's the Feast of Minimum Occupancy
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>>14282154
40,000 people from the same city went on a holiday. At the same time.
Sounds legit.
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>>14282166
>>14282169
It was bring your own slurpee cup day at 7-11. Unfortunately the only 7-11 was in the next town over. Traffic on exit 8 was a nightmare.
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>>14282154
>>14282169
This is 4Kids/Saban Dragon Ball Z levels of bullshit

"LOOKS LIKE IT WAS A SUNDAY"
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>>14281972
It's just standard Japanese autism OP; 99.9% of anime is tainted by it.
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>>14282095
>>"People living at Torrington were affiliated with the army (soldiers and their family) so there was no declaration of war after that either.">"Frontal had no intention of starting a war, the attacks were mostly to let the Zeon remnants let off some steam. "
Why did the emperor not use these excuses after Pearl harbor?
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>>14281990

> he thinks Fukai decided the plot of Unicorn
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>>14281978

The difference is Unicorn has beautiful animation while Seed's has Hirai face and constant stock footage.

Proof that all you need is pretty animation for Gundam fans to eat it up.

If Seed was well animated nobody would care about the flaws of it.
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>>14281978
I think it succeeds better than SEED with the whole pacifism issue.
That doesn't make it good but it's an improvement at least.
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>>14282027

Well he does become the bad guy after this because he takes the Banshee and goes to try to kill the Nahel Argama to silence them for knowing too much at the conspiricy's behest, and because he's butthurt Minerva rejected him.

He wasn't wrong for killing Loni though.
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>>14282387
>Implying Gundam fans outside of /m/ don't eat SEED up.
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>>14282387
>Proof that all you need is pretty animation for Gundam fans to eat it up.

That's anime fans in general, not just gundam fans.
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>>14282393
He was the bad guy for what he did after, not because of Loni. The OVA tried to paint him killing Loni as bad
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It felt like Unicorn spent all its time trying to create character interactions and and plot occurrences simply because they happened in other Tomino works.
I don't mean things like Puru 12 showing up and a bunch of call outs to older suits. I mean the whole typical tragic teenage girl gets killed piloting mobile armor and a LITERAL Char clone.

The only segments of Unicorn I thoroughly enjoyed were scenes depicting random aces and grunts duking it out, and that apparently had nothing to do with the novels.
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>>14282387
>If seed had a positive trait. people would like it more

I mean, your not wrong. But what is so unusual about that?
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>>14282475
It's what happens when your work is planned by a corporate committee rather than a creator.
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>>14282027
Killing Loni was completely justified.
Now, killing Puru-nee...
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>>14282488
Isn't most of that content straight from the novels though? Unless your saying even the novels were planned by a corporate committee.
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>>14282387
Well Gundam is written for 14 year olds. When I was 14 I thought shit like Wing was riveting, and I'm sure I would have eaten up Unicorn too. Most 14 year olds are virtually immune to bad writing, bad dubs, all kinds of things. /m/ is also full of people in their 20s who are mentally still 14 years old.

As an old fan myself I only enjoyed Unicorn for the mech porn. My enjoyment of Gundam is based on many years of absorbing the world building so I enjoy all kinds of little details moreso than character drama. It should come as no surprise that people enjoy mecha for aesthetic reasons.
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>>14282492

Banrise announced they'd be making an animation of Unicorn even before releasing the first novel. I think they might have done so before hiring Fukai but I can't recall. Regardless, Fukai has at the very least gone on record as stating that part of the plot (Unicorn going God mode) was stupid as well, so chances are, he didn't like or even decide at least part of it.

When you have that much time and money riding on something and already know it's getting animated, chances are, someone meddled. Franchise entries with that kind of attention generally are dictated to some degree. Even the Star Wars EU (pre Disney at least) the direction of novels was committee directed and authors were normally handed a list of beats to hit to keep it in line with the rest of whatever series it was in at the time.
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The issue with Unicorn is an issue with UC and sequelized series as a whole: the creators don't think about building a universe, just a single show. If it takes off make shit up later on. The most "hook'y" thing UC has done was "oh look Char may have escaped!" in MSG and again in Zeta. Tomino had his chance with Zeta & ZZ but then he got his movie and basically went "fuck this shit". Did CCA lay any groundwork for F91? Nope. Did Unicorn? Nope. There is no foreshadowing... only callbacks such as bringing a character from a previous series into a new one. Rather than having a series bible from the get go, full of ideas, characters, conflicts, etc. everything is simply produced after the fact.
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>>14282502
If you think Unicorn is for 14 year olds, you're retarded
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>>14282441
Not really; the OVA shows he was being pretty reasonable. They were literally about to get melted by Loni and she decided to block the beam at the very last second. Banana freaks out because he's an idealistic puss and also he could probably psychically sense she was going to hold back or something, but the moral judgement of the audience isn't supposed to come down on Riddhe for that.

Riddhe's badguy transformative moment is when he gets his goodguy mobile suit rekt and ends up in the Banshee.
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>>14282597
it's a 14 year old level narrative that happens to have referential shit that older fans will recognize.
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>>14282154
>I don't think people randomly de-populate a city just because it's a holiday.

you've never experienced spring festival in Chinese cities.
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>>14281993
>this literally was Zeon fanwank in its purest sense

and what would you call this?
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>>14281972
Because Gundam can't let Zeon win. If they did, peace would finally happen and you couldn't have any more UC Gundam series.
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>>14282640
they pretty much won in Thunderbolt.
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>>14281972
I liked the fat captain because bears make the best mecha captains.
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>>14282638
RX-78NT-1 Gundam "Alex"
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>>14282001
He's one of those characters I personally like to say "has enough personality to move the plot" and that's it. The plot needs him to pal it around with Zeon, sure thing! Okay, back to the Feds! Now back to Zeon! Back to the Feds again!

The only reason he got involved in the plot is that he just so happened to be in the right place to catch Audrey and attached himself to her like a lovesick puppy
What's his answer to everything? Even so! But even so! Will he ever say or do anything decisive without someone else telling him or being based around Audrey! Nope! If he had a personality, it might actually ruin the "plot!"

I mean, I'd still put this over GSD, but Banana and Unicorn Gundam just catch me as a mishmash Gundam/pilot tropes thrown in a blender and diluted with water. We want a kid who doesn't like the fighting, but we didn't give him any personality or any real drive, and we've got this Gundam here, and it's got a Super Mode so we can sell extra models and show off the cool power up, because the Gundam needs a new power up.

I mean, after that ending sequence tried to pass off Banana and his dad's relationship as 'touching', I decided I'd never watch UC ever again. One of the most pretentious things I've ever seen.
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>>14282640

Hahahahahaha, god no. If Zeon won you'd have a Neo Federation or something within a decade and yet another new series. Probably faster because a Zeon win would cause a lot of destruction and shittiness in general with a dictatorship ruler.

Honestly, I want it to happen just to put an end to the idea that the Federation only needs to lose once for peace while Zeon can lose infinite times and they'll always cause yet another war but it's totally not their fault.
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>>14282648
The thunderbolt OVA covers only a small conflict in the war. Zeon still gets its shit kicked in at A baoa qu.

And while Zeon reinforcements rounded up all the survivors on both sides, the victory is really the EFs as the zone is now cleared for them to move the fleet through which was their goal the entire time. They actually were sort of hoping the brotherhood would get wiped out in the process as well iirc.
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>>14282095
Why would you bother trying to write an excuse like that in after the fact? I mean, honestly. How shameless can you get?
Nothing can change what we saw on screen, so why? No excuse you can come up with will EVER be a good one? Do we really have to trip over ourselves to try and justify such an attack.

I mean, come on! I guess because they were military famlies, that means it's okay? Wouldn't that be more of a reason to start up a war? Didn't this same goddamn battle start off because of EA-kill-the-Zeeks event they made up for this series? I guess that makes it even?

For fuck's sake, we see the crazy woman's attack evaporate a woman and her baby? I guess she was just unlucky then?
Jesus Christ
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>>14282696

Probably because they weren't trying to justify or excuse Loni killing all those people and only wanted to justify why the EA didn't see it as an act of war and bring the entire might of the Federation to bear on them.
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>>14282490
She commuted suicide by Banshee. She dropped her i-field.
Riddhe just pulled the trigger, but the NT-D system would've done it even if he'd pussied out.
Riddhe still did the wrongthing, but his worst transgression was being written as second fiddle to Banana.
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The OVA tries to make it look like Loni surrendered
had she or banana actually said as much he WOULD have been wrong for it
but an undeclared surrender isn't one.
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>>14282648
They won a battle not the war.
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>>14282763
Loni and Riddhe are both the same, their failing is that they held onto their parents' grudges and legacies blindly until it was too late.
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>>14281972

>develops the politics and technology of Universal Century to an extremely high depth

tfw people actaully believe this
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>>14282795
>Implying psychoframe miracles aren't the greatest depth of UC technologies
What the fuck did the Bio-Computer have to do with cat's cradle?
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>>14282810
seabook's mom used it as the basis for wiring up the different components in the bio-computer, the bio-computer wasn't hooked up properly yet and the F91 wouldn't work without it for some reason
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I'd be interested in a Gundam series where the "Federation" and the "Zeon" of said series already had the war and the "Zeon" in this universe won already and the story would be a world with the antagonists actually in power.
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>>14282831

I'd be interested in this too, especially what formula characters like the Char of the setting are doing in this new world order.
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>>14282858
Anti-Zabism
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>>14283265
I want a side story starring this guy. It could even end with this fight lol.
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>>14283280
>>14283280
I've heard on here that he was a Londo Bell vet who participated in Char's rebellion, but I don't know where that info actually comes from.

Anyway, could a reorganization of the Titans after the near-disaster that was Char's rebellion have prevented all the shit in Unicorn from happening? With newtype pilots like Riddhe, I think they could've nipped it in the bud.
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>>14281972
>plot and characters are absolutely pants on fucking head retarded and shitty

Well, Unicorn is

>Newtype shenanigan
>Zeon shenanigan
>Psycoframe shenanigan

I can stomach everything except Loni
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>>14283299

No, because Londo Bell essentially was the Titans reorganized and working as intending rather than co-opted to a new purpose by it's leader.
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>>14282638
Bernie wank at most
That series has Zeon threatening to nuke a colony
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>>14282095
>Fukui thought actually having them really travel through time would not be Gundam-like and would make the psychoframe too ridiculous and insisted that they leave it as a mental/spiritual thing.
So I'm guessing Sunrise wanted otherwise.
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>>14282789

Even if we suspended our disbelief that the charter has any actual power and not a retarded MacGuffin, Riddhe is perfectly correct in believing that it would be better to have it remained hidden or destroyed. Lineage has nothing to do with it. Even another outsider could have made that decision. The show couldn't make a rational case against him so they turned him into an edgy bad guy just because MUH POSSIBILITIES.
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>>14283674
Don't forget that it has a Zeon CO named Killing.
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>>14282638
0080 is perfection. It allows for equality on the small scale in order to humanize the tragedy of war, but also makes it plainly clear that Zeon is in the wrong.
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>>14282105

I mean they're sort of right in a roundabout kind of way. While Frontal certainly isn't against blowing up some Feddie folk his main goal isn't to wipe out the Federation and/or wreck the earth and kill the people living on it like previous Zeon leaders. He just wants to make his economic zone that excludes the Earth and let them rot.
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>>14283299
Depends on if they were allowed to be proactive like the Titans, or if they were limited to a Londo Bell level.
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>>14282126

It really isn't. Unicorn includes

> The two main characters (Banana and Mineva) decrying Zeon on at least two occasions each
> Banana does each while in the company of Zeon soldiers, once while having dinner with one soldier, his family and a pilot and on the other occasion punching a Zeon captain for allowing war crimes as revenge
> Mineva calls Char passionate but insane
> She goes on television in front of the whole world and says "Zeon was wrong, don't do that shit again"
> The Federation aligned ECOAS has some of the most helpful people in the show and the only Fed soldier or pilot who's even slightly bad is Riddhe
> Full Frontal uses Marida and is ready to trade her life for some combat data
> His plan involves crippling Earth and he knows it'll only result in a reversal of fortunes for both sides and a war in several decades because of it but doesn't care

And yet people decry it constantly as Zeonwank regardless of that. The best I can tell it's because Laplace's Box has provisions for newtypes, which supposedly justifies and excuses everything Zeon did. It doesn't though. No-one in show ever even suggests it does.

Not only does Mineva ask people not to use that as incentive for another uprising when she finds out, but nothing in those provisions would have prevented the Zabis from inciting the One Year War because while they occasionally spoke about newtypes, they mostly rallied people using Spacenoid oppression, Contolism and Zeon Deikun's death and did so far a war that was really just about putting them in control of the Earthsphere. None of which having clauses for newtypes prevents.
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>>14284025

It wouldn't have even prevented Zeon Deikun from starting the whole thing, because his main beef was Contolism, not Newtypes. Even if it did prevent any of that, which it wouldn't, it doesn't matter, because the show doesn't say that such things justify Colony Drops, gassings, genocide and war. Banana argues the opposite and that even good causes don't justify those things and that Zeon lost any hint of credibility or sympathy by engaging in them when having dinner at Palau.

In short, it really isn't Zeonwank of any kind as far as I can tell.
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>>14284025

> The two main characters (Banana and Mineva) decrying Zeon on at least two occasions each
> She goes on television in front of the whole world and says "Zeon was wrong, don't do that shit again"

They merely decry their method, not the fanatical idealism of Zeonism itself and the fairytale of Newtypes. She clearly stated that the madness of Char was preferrable to Frontal's more "logical" plan to achieve Side independence because it was genuine passion. Unicorn's thesis basically tries to reaffirm the myth of Daikunist Newtype, the ultimate Zeonwank, which Gundam as a metaverse has come to reject and preferred instead a more down-to-earth humanism. Newtypes are not some superior human form, but just a particular adapation to space.

>his family and a pilot and on the other occasion punching a Zeon captain for allowing war crimes as revenge

Yet when Riddhe actually takes the shot to do what needs to be done, it's all KILLING MUH POSSIBILITIES.

> The Federation aligned ECOAS has some of the most helpful people in the show and the only Fed soldier or pilot who's even slightly bad is Riddhe

Only by association with Banagher they became the "good guys". Riddhe was not "slightly" bad. He was clearly bad, through piloting the POSSIBLITY killing Banhsee (see the theme here?), to make Banagher right..

> Full Frontal uses Marida and is ready to trade her life for some combat data

Cyber-Newtypes. Period.

> His plan involves crippling Earth and he knows it'll only result in a reversal of fortunes for both sides and a war in several decades because of it but doesn't care

But it's actually the most sensible plan out of all the crazy Zeon plots to overthrow the EF. But I guess that's too sensible and not clinging to the Newtype myth enough to be Zeon and therefore evil.
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Unicorn gave us an MC named Banana. That alone makes it all worth it.
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>banana and mineva reveals the box because muh possibility
>total loss of faith in the Federation among the populace
>due to lack of support, federation begins decaying, no longer has the economic strength to project force in space and withdraws to Earth
>colonies become subject to violence by Jupiter-funded forces like the Crossbone Vanguard, the Jupiter Empire itself, and Zanscare
>dozens of proxy wars in Late UC between Jupiter and Earth that would have never have occured had the Federation remained powerful claim millions of lives
>all because of MUH SOREDEMO

when did you swallow the red pill and realise that the 'good guys' of Unicorn actually did everything wrong?
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>>14284248

> They merely decry their method, not the fanatical idealism of Zeonism itself

One of the main themes of the story is not letting pre-existing prejudices blind you. Loni and Riddhe are bad specifically because they buy in to their families grudges and in Loni's case is chasing revenge for something she doesn't even really understand. It's only when she rises about that baseless desire for revenge, when she rises above Zeon that she becomes sympathetic.

Loni is the criticism of Zeon in the show - a child raised to hate because of something she has no personal ties to or knowledge of. Angelo is a criticism of it too, a child supporting it because he idolizes the leaders rather than because he really cares about the cause. Zinnerman too, who still believes in them mainly because of a desire for revenge. The faction as a whole is an indictment of them really, since they all call Mineva princess, and then completely ignore everything she asks them to do because they're more interested in revenge and killing than the peace that is there and trying to settle matters. The only Zeon character who listens to her is Marida.

> Gundam as a metaverse has come to reject and preferred instead a more down-to-earth humanism

Like 00 you mean? Or maybe SEED and Destiny? Or perhaps you mean AGE?

Even if Gundam has come to prefer a more down to Earth humanism, and I don't think it has, UC itself hasn't, and every series Tomino wrote in UC centered around and was helmed by newtypes. Unicorn is UC the Series, it regurgitates every single thing, good or bad that UC did, and that includes worshipping newtypes and having them act as deus ex machina who save the day.
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>>14284365

> Yet when Riddhe actually takes the shot to do what needs to be done, it's all KILLING MUH POSSIBILITIES.

Banana condemns him at the time for killing someone Banana and only Banana knew was just after realizing she was doing something wrong. He acted emotionally because that's what people do in those situations. Riddhe killing her is supposed to be a tragedy and call to mind Lalah and her death, by having her die unnecessarily due to Riddhe not being a newtype and not knowing what Banana knew. No character is supposed to come off as totally right or wrong in that scene, because that's the nature of tragedies.

> Only by association with Banagher

They didn't magically become nice people the moment they met Banagher. They still commit to rescuing him from Palau and do so without really knowing him or anything about him, they're still nice people (and one even has the backstory to prove it) and the Federation pilots in general act decently during the show.

> Cyber-Newtypes. Period.

The show never asks you to not care about her because she's a cyber newtype or to find her death less than because of it. She herself dies because that's the legacy of cyber-newtypes in UC and this is UC the Series, but she's never treated as an inferior because she's a cyber newtype. The only one saying she should be is you.

> it's actually the most sensible plan out of all the crazy Zeon plots

It's also a plan that he's committed to knowing full well it'll lead to another war and the Federation becoming the underdog aggressor instead of Zeon within a few decades, perpetuating the cycle in a very slightly different way instead of ending it. It's sensible, but it's cold and exclusionary and it's consequences are really no better. Mineva prefers Char's plan because insane as it was it was fueled by a desire to help the whole, rather than just a part of it and she sees the real Char as someone who did care about everyone, even if only in his own rather special way.
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>>14284365

>One of the main themes of the story is not letting pre-existing prejudices blind you

Except that's not what I said. You did not address my point

>Like 00 you mean? Or maybe SEED and Destiny? Or perhaps you mean AGE?

Like Crossbone, V Gundam, Gaia Gear, X Gundam, Turn-A, G-reco?

>No character is supposed to come off as totally right or wrong in that scene, because that's the nature of tragedies.

Is this seriously how Unifags think? Stopping a rampaging MA killing innocent people clearly is the right thing to do in any circumstances. Does Lalah go on a rampaging spree in a populated area for vengence? How is it even a comparable tragedy?

>Federation pilots in general act decently during the show

If they are not jobbing like retards, they are scheming to shoot down Magallanica with the colony laser and brain-washing Marida for the Banshee. The only good people are the Nahel Argama crew, because they are Banagher's faction.

>Mineva prefers Char's plan

Killing a ton of people on Earth so they might become some mythical superman is not as that bad becuase he meant well (which one could argue is a lie, Char probably didn't even mean it). Yet, using a political solution that MIGHT cause a political reversal with the trade off of a few decades of peace and probably the best you could hope for considering human history is worse because he didn't mean it.

So this is how Unifags actaully think.
>
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>>14284365
>a child raised to hate because of something she has no personal ties to
>mother and father were literally murdered in cold blood by Feddies
>her father figure literally murdered in cold blood by Feddies
>no personal ties
You're an idiot.
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>>14284632
>>her father figure literally murdered in cold blood by Feddies
You mean shot down in battle after killing numerous Feddies and attempting to trigger a nuclear explosion in a final suicide attack after being disabled?
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>>14282105
The Neo Zeong has a fucking lambda driver that can wish things to explode, yet he doesn't use it to wipe out the feddie fleet on his own even though he could but uses it to give Banana a history lesson.
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>>14284681
>>14284632
It's amazing how badly the OVA mangled this, the novels handled Loni totally fine. Her father's a crazy rich arab muslim who hates white people and buys the plans for the Shambro off the sleeves, builds it, and then forces his kids to pilot it with him to kill the evil white federation people. Loni backs out while inside and is shot by him, and Banana just blows up the cockpit.

Keeps with the whole sins of the father theme going on while not being absolutely fucking stupid.

It's easy to tell from the pastebin that Furuhashi was the one who fucked everything up, Fukui stopped him from putting fucking time travel in the show.
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>>14284710

>Her father's a crazy rich arab muslim who hates white people

I think it's more of white man culture than just simply hating white people. I could actually understand where he is coming from, spending his life-time subservient the Feds to get rich enough, only to see his culture eroded into nothing by westernization. It's basically ZZ's Blue Team
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>>14284739
>basically ZZ
I'd forgotten about that. Oh that Fukui and his ZZ and Ideon.
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>>14284632

None of that is in the OVA.
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>>14281972
The pros you listed far outweight the cons.
A series doesn't have to be perfect to be enjoyable you know.
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>>14284973
>good animation and fanservice outweigh fucking terrible characters and plot
What kind of fucking pleb are you?
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>>14285137
I don't think the characters and plot are that terrible. It starts out allright and gets worse as the series progresses, but it never got to the levels of offensively bad /m/ likes to think it is.

Good animation, designs, soundtrack and battle sequences make for a good watch when it's focusing on that, and each episode had a serviceable amount of action. I'm sorry if I watch mecha anime for the action as well, and not just to be overly autistic about how bad and nonsensical the plot is.

Besides that I do like the concept of the Laplace Box and secret conspiracies kept by the Federation. It turned out to be shit because of it's content and how the show expects them to be taken, but while the mistery lasted it made for a interesting premise.
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>>14281972
>plot and characters are absolutely pants on fucking head retarded and shitty

Well you're right for most of the part, but Marida is the best fucking little princess I've ever seen.
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>>14282656
I totally agree.

10/10 best daddy.
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>>14285620
>>14285630
The one Unicorn scene that managed to get the emotional response it intended.
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>>14285722
Tfw she'll never call you daddy ;___;
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