Can we talk about some /m/ video games? Namely Armored Core.

>>14267632
No. We cannot.

>>14267635
I saw threads about Gundam Breaker and SRW and thought AC deserves a thread.

But fine, have it your way

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>>14267632
Lets talk about the aesthetics, what makes a AC a AC, specially since V era broke the fandom.

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Hi. I'm sexy and you know it.

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>>14267652
White glint is good looking, but if you want sexy you need to look at 04-ALICIA.

>>14267651
When it comes to design, I'd say the defining characteristic of AC design are the head parts, which are a lot less humanoid than the average mech design, the exposed shoulder and hip joints needed for pieces to not clip into each other, and their utilitarian look, clearly using design elements from existing tanks, aircraft and even formula 1 cars (Aaliyah's chest is a 1:1 copy). Also interesting that all AC games have higher energy defenses on rounded parts and higher physical defenses on squared parts, which helps identify weaknesses at first glance.

I used to dislike the V era ACs, but after actually playing the titles I like them a lot more.
They're very well designed, specially in the way that their shape conveys how they move and work.

>>14267995

Somehow the aesthetic doesn't fit with the fact that ACs and Ravens (gets even worse with NEXTs and Lynxes [lynges?]) are pretty much one-man armies

I liked that V/D made me feel like a worthless piece of shit capable of being chewed apart even by MTs if outskilled. but at the same time I missed the massive relative power in the earlier games (it takes special MT designs or other ACs to actually threaten you, and then there's the nonsensical giant-killing missions versus the Massive MTs and their ilk)

So uhm, did anyone play Borderlands 2 or TPS?
One of the characters has a pet robot, and another other turns himself into a robot.

What about Destiny?
The Vex are shit, though tbqh, but you can play as a sapient android.
>>14267640
Just make a thread cause you wanna make one, not cause you perceive that it's deserved.
Also
>generals

>>14269021
It was an intentional change to make the multiplayer-focused gameplay fit better within the narrative. Since Ravens and LYNX mostly worked alone, they had to tone down the capabilities of single ACs so that it would make sense for them to team up.
I like being gruntier myself, even though I'd say V gen ACs are up to par with 3rd gens when it comes to trashing high performance MTs.
4/FA is a whole other thing, it gets quite boring to destroy tanks, MTs and Normals by the dozens IMO.

>>14269030
>generals
If vidya generals are ok a petty thread should be more than fine

>>14270964
That was my point.

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>>14267995
I will say that one of the most characteristic would be the cores itself, while there is some execeptions, many of the cores are long and no exactly human, look at any cover; Also the legs if I see a mecha with quad-hover-rever joint legs, I quickly assume is from AC, unless the aesthethics is really different from a "normal" looking mech.

>>14267632
Nexus killed Armored Core. Silent Line was the last good AC game.

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>>14271711
>what is Last Raven

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>>14267995
Armored core have the best cyclops heads ever.

Even better than Zaku and its clones.

>>14271711
Take your no-spread machineguns and your shitty control scheme somewhere else, nostalgiafag.

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>>14271711
did you even play Last Raven? that is the pinnacle of whole franchise.

>>14271937
>>14271991
>>14272079

Last Raven was shit. I went and re-played all the AC games I could emulate and when I got to Nexus and LR I couldn't believe how mundane the game had become. They buried all the fun and made it so much more difficult to enjoy the game. It went from customize your robot to a trial and error fest of hope your fucking robot can finish the mission with two enemy AC's showing up after you've exhausted your ammo.

NX and LR and fucking stupid. Nearly every review agrees with me.

I am currently playing through Xenogears and enjoying it, but that game is really a character study more than it is about mechs.

I still need to play Front Mission 5.

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>>14271711
>the game with the best music, best opening and introduction of a logical control scheme
>killed the series

>>14272392
Silent Line and AC3 had better music. All Nexus did was like remix a lot of the older tunes... badly...

>>14272392
>Nexus opening
>best

It's at best tied with Silent Line's, and those two are at best tied with the ACV trailer (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6QU2i6-BQc).

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>>14267632

Always down for that anon. Favorite AC is AC3 and LR. Special consideration for ACMOA and AC2 for having so much arena fun.

AC4 reminded me of a very pretty ps2 game. AC4A was very cinematic and accessible enough where I could get my normie friends to pick it up. Didn't play AC5 so I can't comment on that. Loved ACVD. Too bad it's dead on 360.

Really hope From takes a break from Souls and gives us a big blockbuster multiplatform AC with next gen tech and such. I'm hoping for the look of AC4 era with the tactics and features of the AC5 era. Probably a blend of the map styles. Definitely more UNACS and territory stuff.

PRAY

I never managed to get the two neutral ending in Last Raven. I only managed to clear the mission where you have to fight the shitty guy then Rim Fire once and I somehow fucked up and ended up on Vertex path.

Is there a good way of destroying that quad-legged asshole?

>>14271943
TIE-REDEYE is my headfu.

>>14272283
It sounds like it's your fault you can't enjoy the game, anon

But I do agree with you about how unfair Nexus is, some AI ACs are monstruously powerful. Especially Genobee, fuck that guy

>>14272434
>V had one of the best looking CG intro in the franchise
>VD have nothing despise evidence that one was at least in prodution at some point.

Why From?

>>14272438
>Really hope From takes a break from Souls

They are, DS3 is the last soul/bloodborne game for a while, they only thing left is the DS3 DLC, after that, the next game they do is either a new IP or one of the older franchise, there is high hope of AC being the one since Miyazaki had say that 1) he wants to make another AC game 2) AC is one of the pillars of FROMSOFTWARE.

We can only hope to get any information during E3 (if they will capitalize on the fame DS gave them to promote their other games) or in the TGS next year

>>14273181
>TGS

>lights dim

>Miyazaki walks out onto the stage

>holds up six fingers

>walks away

>King's Field V coming 6/6/16

>>14273189
isnt the souls series, specially demon's, basically a remake of kings field?

>>14273204
KF is the glacial and methodical ancestor of the Soulsborne saga.

It's more accurate to compare it to old-ass first person dungeon crawl games. Of which there is still a market, if Legend of Grimrock proved anything.

Compared to that genre, Soulsborne games might as well be character action games with RPG mechanics.

Last good AC games were 4 and 4A. V and VD a shit.

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>>14273295
V era is superior to 4 era, specially VD, the multiplayer is high tier.

best ac for singleplayer
best ac for multiplayer
best ac for emulated netplay with friends
all separate questions

>>14273372
>4A
>VD
>LR in fact there is a small community working on it.

Threadly reminder that Oldking dindu nuffin, also post your favorite AC song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3fxyw4FH0U

>>14273204
Closer to Shadow Tower if anything.

>>14273416
Oldking is better terrorist than Ali Al-Saachez

also this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZcJ-Gc2NAc

>start up last raven portable on ppsspp
>hard freeze after entering pilot name
god dammit

>>14273566
You need to get an older version of ppsspp. It has some minor graphical glitches, but otherwise works just fine

>>14272283
>Last Raven was shit.
>I couldn't believe how mundane the game had become.
>. It went from customize your robot to a trial and error fest of hope your fucking robot can finish the mission with two enemy AC's showing up after you've exhausted your ammo.

Why am I not surprised that Snapshit once again confirms his shit taste.

You fucking suck at AC, people have been murdering the everything included the Final Pulverizer with starting AC builds, GIT GUD and fuck off you moron, LR is not for plebs like you.
>>14273566
Really? Works just fine on my PC.

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>>14273416
Oh fuck you Oldking

Bi the way
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9LzUmyXXhiQ

>>14272442
For Rimfire I usually pack a counter quad. Beat him at his own game.
Pack an offhand machinegun, a back linear cannon, and a heavyweight Exceed Orbit Core, backpedal away from his range and watch as he melts.

>>14273372
>4A
>VD
>Emulated PSP Last Raven

>>14273566
Use this
http://www.mediafire.com/download/249ip5kpd37bcnc/Last+Raven+PPSSPP+Package.rar

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>>14274405

>>14273295

Not really. They all have pros and cons. 4 era was like the old ps2 games and pretty easy so new players and casuals could enjoy it. It was very cinematic and had a decent story. 5 era was more balanced, tactical and had a much bigger focus on multiplayer. The introduction of unacs and a persistent territory war and other chromehoundsy elements was a great entry for veterans and players that wanted a challenge.

Really they should blend both games and make it next gen.

>>14273372

4a
VD
LR

Pretty sure any other answer is BS.

>>14273416
>favourite AC song
This is way too hard, but I'll go with
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-BamISde_M

AND these two because fuck you
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2vib83SYTs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orLgPpGVNkY

>>14274782
For me they should ramp up the velocity of V era but no to the poin of FA, being able to fly but ala classics where you had a limited time before energy running out or using reverse joints for more time flying. If they want to retain the damage triangle of V, they need to distribute better the defenses stats on the part and no trap them in certain type of parts (TE defense is only on heavy parts, CE defense is only for quads, etc)

>>14274820
day after day would such amazing opening if Armored Core EVER get a anime.

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>>14274820

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>>14274847
Gonna post the other one from Sunrise, and the one from the Reprises album too, some comedy gold in there.

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>>14274870
Remember, the deep sea fish loves you forever.

>>14267632
I liked AC2 because it was set on Mars

>>14274873
Are you a Thinker?

>>14274910
>reminder that in the JP version of FA, Oldking is singining thinker while destroying the cradles

And the NA version didnt get that small, yet cool piece of call back to 4 why?

>>14274847
>>14274870
>>14274873
I really wonder if they write those lyrics with some, you know, meaning behind them or if its just to make the song cooler.

>>14274873
why is that line so popular when talking about the songs?

>>14274540
thanks

>>14274822

I like that you can only be good at defending against 2 out of 3 damage types at any given time apart from carrying a shield. VD was more balanced and I haven no complaints about the armor types but the map design and some aesthetics were better in the 4 era. Like I said they just need to blend what works from the different entries into the franchise. At this point Armored Core has tried out so many mechanics they might as well put it all together and make it a huge game that is actually marketed well for once. If more people knew about AC and they streamlined some of the menus and made more tutorials for casuals then this would be the game to end all games imo.

>>14275157
The public doesn't care about giant robots, they're too unrealistic for them.

>>14275190

>people don't like robots meme

I disagree. Transformers makes a killing at the box office despite having no redeeming qualities apart from involving giant robots and a hot chick. I don't think audiences care about realism. Look at Civil War or how most blockbuster games are basically shit like Skyrim or Darksouls.

>>14275226
Transformers are popular because they're western. People don't care about Japanese giant robots.

>>14275157
> be good at defending against 2 out of 3 damage types at any given time apart from carrying a shield.

It always surprise me that FROM manage to make, in a game like AC, shields a viable option and no either a OP part the gives to much defense that needs to be neferd ASAP or a subpar part that give to little in the sea of missiles and bullets.

>>14275268
isnt transformers, or at least its origins, japanese?

>>14275157
So what's your dream AC game anons?

>online multiplayer is there but it's not heavily focused
>KARASAWA MOONLIGHT combo makes a comeback
>quick boost is available but very energy consuming
>story told by mail and cutscenes insted of just cutscenes
>all hidden parts locked behind difficult tasks
>lightweight bipeds not outclassed by midweights
>can pick a color for your laser blade

I'm not sure if I want the heat system back or not though

>>14275288
>isnt transformers, or at least its origins, japanese?

Do you seriously thing normalfags know about that? The new movies are western and that's all that matters to them.

>>14275289
>story told by mail and cutscenes insted of just cutscenes

Damn I really want the mails coming back, Imagine those on V and VD, getting mails from MoH, Zodiac and Chief about how you are a nuinsance for them and telling you to stop or there will be problems, in case of Chief some pseudo sexual harrasment on it.

Getting mails from many of your clients thanking you for the help, or the reapers squad constantly threating you, and probably some side mails from Fatman and Maggy developing their characters more. and a secret post death email from Maggy.

>>14275289
>KARASAWA MOONLIGHT combo makes a comeback

No AC related, but I am vexed on why bloodborne didnt get a Karasawa seeing the game have firearms or some of the hunter tools are basically magic lasers.

>>14275300
Are V and VD playable and enjoyable offline? I wanna try them but I'm not really into multiplayer games.

>>14275289
>That its on PC .__.

A man can dream, a man can dream.

>>14275919
No. Half the content is online only, including all the postgame optional bosses.

Also V's servers were taken down so you straight up can't play half the game anymore.

Also the online shit is retarded grinding and shitty anyway.

>>14275919
VD campaing is good enough for singleplayer.

V is complicated, the story missions are long and hard if you avoid the garage mid mission but are fun, at least for me; meanwhile the order missions, the first half is tedium, doesnt get interesting until the second half when Men of Honor and Zodiac appears, but it will take you a while reaching that point. And since the servers are down, the only reason I could give you with 100% confidense of why you should play V would be to see Chief.

Or save yourself the trouble and have this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0JWS1IkDsQ

If I were to play the PS2 games, should I start with 3?

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>>14276878
is a good starting point.

>>14276897
Thanks!

>>14276926
and you better belive that thing about Last Raven, to show how unfriendly is for newbies, it lacks a tutorial for everthing.

>>14276897
>4 era
>have a new gundam look overall

Bullshit, we dont even have a decent humanoid looking head part, the core more likely to be from gundam is BFF new model for FA.

>>14276926
That's a troll image.

>>14275080
Some of them have a faint meaning if you know what they refer to, others are just an excuse to have singing in english by japanese people.
Day after Day is about mercenaries doing unsavoury work every day, for example, which is related to ACVD's storyline.
14275131
Because it appears in Thinker's lyrics and it makes 0 fucking sense. It's just a really strange choice.

>>14276897
4 is either fucking impossible if you use machineguns (like I did) or piss fucking easy if you use laser weapons (dual Altairs do 5000 damage a hit and hit once every second)

It's like FROM doesn't like ballistic weapons at all, but they don't wanna take them away from the player so they just nerf them into oblivion

>>14277924
well on 4, ballistic weapons are really useful, even on PvP with all the latency shit, is more if werent for the latency issues, dual motorcobra would be banned.

>>14278103
I mean 4A.

>>14277708
> is about mercenaries doing unsavoury work every day

I need to see re-read the lyrics then

>>14274873
>Thinker
>Can you talk about deep-sea with me
> I'm sleeping well
>the deep-sea fish loves you forever

Now I see all this as a bloodborne reference.

in term of skill in what tier will you guys place the usual elite AC pilot.

>>14278872
AC1 Raven is pretty stronk, he's able to take down Human Plus fags and Raven's Nest tried and failed to put him out of commission (with TWO Nineballs) because they were afraid of his power.

>>14278973
Not to mention he killed Valkyrie really early is his career, and Valk was something like the 4th best Raven

>>14278991
2nd best actually, only Nineball was better

>>14278973
>AC1 Raven
>Human Plus fags

Nine Breaker Raven says hello

>>14278872
The strongest pilot must be the Last Raven if you beat Zinaida route.
Holy fuck that was ass-shattering, I don't even know how I managed.

>>14278872
in what tier? withing the serie or in comparition with other /m/ stuff?

>>14280188
if you compared with other pilots of other series, in terms of raw skill, they are one of the best, but I am not sure if they can defeat someone that suddlenly goes super robot just by screaming in rage.

>>14279394
Final form Zinaida is a cunt but let's be real for a second:

The murder hallway you have to go through to get to her did half of the job for her.

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Best Girl.

>>14278872
Last Raven MC on Zinaida path is basically the MD Geist of pilots, he could take on Demonbane on his AC and win.

But Ravens are possibly the best kind of pilots in any /m/ multiverse contest.

They use highly customizable machines that can completely change functions and role just by swapping some legs and a core, they're familiar with an ungodly variety of weapons, terrains, enemies and situations and they BTFO foes with extremely unfair tech advantage, LR MC destroyed the True Last Pulverizer which is basically a proto NEXT on his normal AC, it's kind of like a Scopedog taking out a Gundam.

Imagine giving a Raven something like a Valkyrie, now that would be a good reason to make GHOSTs legal again, fucker could end up entire fleets without breaking a sweat.

>>14281908
THIS SO MUCH.

a Raven could fuck a entire gundam team with just a zaku.

>>14281908
>But Ravens are possibly the best kind of pilots in any /m/ multiverse contest.

a newtype could kill them.

>>14283194
I'm pretty sure there is some Newtype/Cyber-Newtype quivalent in AC

>>14283211
human plus? and even then some normal but skilled pilots kills them too.

>>14283213

Human Plus aren't newtypes, they're closer to some kind of superhuman. They don't have better reflexes and skill because of psychic powers, it's that their brains process information more efficiently, their eyes focus on things they see faster, etc

>>14283231
Or to put it more accurately, we always say that humans are smarter than computers, but computers can process more information more quickly.

Human PLUS have brains like computers

GOD TIER : YOUR LEAST FAVOURITE AC
SHIT TIER : YOUR FAVOURITE AC

its like im really on /v/!!!

>>14283250
Then I guess there isnt a newtype equivalent on AC then, LYNXs are more close to IBO with the AMS system being the equivalent of the Ālaya-Vijñāna, the closest someone have being of having psyhic power in AC is RD on V with his uncanny ability of sensing danger.

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>>14283252

>>14283257
sorry i really shouldent shitpost

i love /m/ really

best board and all that shit

>>14283250
Human Pluses have cybernetic muscles, skeletons, and nervous systems. They're cyborgs.

Lynx are implied to be superhuman and outrigh said to have psychic abilities, which lets them interface with and pilot NEXTs.

>>14283264
Human PLUS is kinda like the Imaginary Numbers in Front Mission, they just aren't grown that way from before birth.

>>14283264
>Lynx are implied to be superhuman and outrigh said to have psychic abilities

Where? isnt the only thing special to them is that they have enough AMS to pilot.

>>14283257
Strezoka must be my favourite weapon name ever.
Motorcobra is close second.

>>14274540
My PS2 died a few years ago, how different is the PSP version of Last Raven?

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Actually not really a huge fan on of the 4era designs, but I love the lancel.

>>14283363
Not in feature, mostly just the control (back to good ol' shoulder control)

>>14283314
Ye with enought AMS it have comparable ability and reflexes to newtypes. Their mind also capable of resist the negative feedback from their NEXT, which can drive you to insanity.

Do you even see how they do battle in 4/4A? They're fight war and duel at supersonic speed mate. Not even amuro gotten to that level.

>>14276897
That guide really needs corrections of the grammatical errors and other Engrish shit.

>>14283900
>good ol' shoulder control
The only real difference is your button preference prefecence (if you like to use shoulder buttons for basic actions or the face buttons)

I'm playing LR on my PS3 and because R2 and L2 buttons are the worst shit on this fucking planet I just stick to the shoulder control
Really you only get one more button out of "Type A" controls and no action to bind it to so it just goes to waste.

>>14274870
CALL ME, HELLO, HELLO, HELLO, HELLO, HELLO, HELLO
[distorted warbling guitar]

>>14285244
Vanishing is a masterpiece.
The TOO CLOSE at the start never fails to get my pumped.

>>14285262
All of Frequency's work is amazing.

Their Verdict Day DLC rendition of 9 is great. Every version of that song is great
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5vup40fUl4

>>14283211

Human Plus are made up of cybernetic enhancements, and augmentations, the closest thing to them would be the Spartans from the Halo games.

They use ancient augmentations and cybernetics from before the great destruction to allow for better performance, reactions and in some cases being merged into the frame of their AC to enhance reactions even further (ala Phantasma).

>>14285268
Did FreQuency worked on DS OST? will they ever release another album? the few songs that are original for the albums are great.

a favorite.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dILzFdsWg1shttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dILzFdsWg1s

>>14285262
while Vanishing is good, the real masterpiece is day after day.

>>14274998
4 and 4A's localizations are all kinds of whack, they're only saved by how good (and sometimes cheesy) the dub acting is.

>>14287536
>and sometimes cheesy

First thing in my mind was CUBE's scream when dying.

>>14287536
>they're only saved by how good (and sometimes cheesy) the dub acting is.
Suwabe>O'Briem

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lost planet 1&2 are at least an 9.0 minimum on the /m/eter

>giant enemy bug monster bosses
>mothra boss
>pilotable mechs that run on monster energy blood
>co-op carnage
>secret team giga attacks
>victory poses
>gambling!
>SECRET COMBINING SUPERMECHA
>snow pirates
>ORANGE TRANSPARENT CHAINSAWS
>fighting bosses on battle trains
and this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GLONAJKUjs

>>14289036
lost planet 2 with that big fucking Over-G boss. that shit was sick

>>14289048
almost all the bosses were amazing in that game, the only one i wasn't a fan of was the pair of sound sensitive bosses rampaging through the village in the desert.

I am have a verdict day lan party with my friends, Gon b gud

>tfw you are the only one to be competent enough to have UW's

>>14287723

aaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>14286478
The Frequency members are composers and part of From Software's sound engineering department, and they've made part of the soundtracks of Bloodborne and Dark Souls 3.
They'll probably team up again for the next mech game.

>>14289446
>They'll probably team up again for the next mech game.
Remember how sunrise album had some remixes for VD before it came out? If they release a new album soon I will take it as a sign that FROM is working on amored core.

Hey did you guys saw the april's fool joke about AC6? I understand that came from nips, how popular is the game there for such cruel joke be made?

>>14291744
>that joke
It still hurts

>>14291744
>Hey did you guys saw the april's fool joke about AC6?

My butt is still sore from that.

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Anyone know which AC this is?
I got it from the Armored Core Nexus One Coin Figure boxes (the 2nd series)

The 3rd series had the Prototype Pulverizer from Nexus as the secret figure, and the 2nd series has this thing, which I don't recognize

>>14292836
Uh, I'm pretty rusty when it comes to 2nd gen ravens, isn't that one of the Frighteners?

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>>14292847
Same here, unfortunately.

The box art says something similar to 'Crest', if my shitty katakana reading is not horribly wrong

>>14292892
Eh, I'll have to break it to you anon but it just says Secret.

Besides, that head and arms parts don't really look like Crest's stuff.

>>14292909
Dang, so it might just be a unit for you to customize by cannibalizing other AC parts..

It comes with empty sockets for the back weapons and shoulder extensions, after all

I've been playing Formula Front and aside from the Core, the other parts don't seem to exist in the game (maybe in LR?).

Welp, time to find another set of Dual Face and attach those sexy grenade launchers, leg weight limits be damned.

Say, you guys do know that From fired all the guys who worked on Armored Core, and that they made their own company and are now working on a new game for Steam, right?

>>14296884
Doesn't mean the game will be good, they got kinda lucky with the AC formula and just stuck to it. What AC really was is like 8 games using the same engine and with each release it went two steps forward, one step back.

>>14276850

>dat feel when your video is posted

Man.. I should do one for Rosary as she is one of my favorite characters too. Reminds me of a friend of mine.

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>>14283256

You forgot cultivators (J), complicated AIs (Nine Ball, Pulverizers, Controller, and Dove), human experimented people (Bob Cat), Lynx (Human Plus plus) and other (Lady in Vortex and other anomalies). The average AC raven is pretty extreme in terms of skill compared to the overt emotional newtypes of the Gundam universe, but their power is something I wouldn't underestimate either. The problem is when they face things they don't know or can't read which is a good portion of shit Ravens deal with such as Disorder Units, Ancient Tech, AI, and other.

>>14299778
So we can conclude that your avarage AC pilot is one of the best pilots in case of a /m/ multiverse crossover? and they will probably achive more if given a overpowered mecha like your general gundam?

>>14301023
Isn't an AC better in atmosphere combat than some Mobile Suits already?

Also, I would love to see how much ass a raven can kick in one of those Valkyries

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>>14301040
We need Armored Core in SRW already, or at least a new A.C.E that doesn't suck.

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>>14301069

Honestly I wouldn't go that far about Ravens being the best, because you have many, many ravens in the shit tier list. The average kill of a raven is probably within the 20 percentile of those at the mid-top if you count every arena in the series. Now without a doubt that Armored Core have more ace pilots compared to UC Gundam, but you have to actually calculate the amount of average pilots that couldn't achieve feats your ace can.

Armored Core's ace pilots outnumber UC ace pilots bar none. Your Armored Core ace pilots are the arena's top ten of any given game. There are 13 Armored Core installments in the series that's 130 top pilots plus main character that's 143 not including irregulars like Exile, Nameless, Mathias, Omega, and so on that enter late into the arena of any given game or pilots not accounted for in an arena. 143+5 or so good pilots from the ORCA faction that aren't in collard's arena and you have 148 as a very rough estimate (again, irregulars not including from Another Age and so on). I'd say the numbers favor your raven against pilots of the UC area, but not by a whole lot because their numbers are incredibly larger than ravens. I also forgot about corperate ravens like Argrya, Boyle, Remilie, and Leos Klien.

(Con)

>>14301304

The pilots themselves, unlike UC Gundam, are constantly tested not only against their environment by themselves but against other ravens who are also equally tested. I am not saying your average ace in Gundam isn't tested, because fighting amidst chaotic battlefields and living or having an extremely high kill-count makes a very dangerous opponent; however, we have to understand that this isn't very common in UC compared to AC (in fact less common in AC). ACs are designed to withstand punishment due to game mechanics but there's credence to ravens that fighting more than one near one man army at a time does translate to the power of a single raven (Strayed vs everyone in Old King's ending, Another Age, Master of the Arena's multiple nineball incident, Last Raven).

We really don't get that many ace vs ace fights in traditional UC battles and when they do fight it is usually only a few times (except Amuro vs Char's rivalry) but feel free to correct me on this. Ravens are duelers moreso than soldiers in this regard and their specialty is fighting other good pilots. UC Gundam doesn't have an institution for their pilots to square off so a pilot's true power is examined through their ability to fight multiple opponents and standing out, but not their ability to actually engage a single opponent in equal caliber since the lifespan of your average mobile suit pilot is probably shorter than a raven. The best of UC will be extremely dangerous contenders in AC, but AC's heavy hitters outnumber the heavy hitters of UC.

(Con)

>>14301327

Now the skill comes into question and the most we can do is gauge the hazards and danger of both. Your loadout on your Armored Core differs by generations but we can guess that one raven is carrying 5 unique weapons at once and only 2 out of 5 is in active use. Your average AC has no external protection against miscellaneous projectiles flying out them, and I am not including NEXT into the equation as they are more outliers than your average (AC1 to LR and V to VD do not offer PA protection). They do have shields but not at the broad or width that some of your mobile suits MIGHT have. The weapons of ACs among the top percentile usually carry cannons, rifles, a saber, and stun hitting weaponry. The heavier hitting weaponry is usually explosives (GL) or energy base (Karasawa, Shade, or solid rifle). Ace pilots of UC from the One Year War don't have a diverse array of weapons for their mobile suit such as Char only having a retrofitted red zaku has the same loadout as a regular one (maybe with some improvements). This doesn't really change later on, but the suits become diverse to your ace pilot of UC so it balances out (The O, Qubeley, Shiki and so on).

Your average top pilot in Armored Core is more prone to knowing who his opponent is by name and reputation compared to UC pilots so if I was say Evangel and my operator said "Enemy AC detected. It's Sight Hawk" Then I'm going to anticipate his load-out and fighting style, whereas a UC pilot might have an element of surprise because sometimes their best pilots are in any mobile suit at a given time. This means UC pilots have to be extremely careful what mobile suit they are fighting (so many with various levels of performance) with the pilot in them (random mook to someone like Scirocco) means that parity in diversity is extreme in UC. Ravens might have to deal with more weapon types per enemy in 3 dimensional spaces, but UC pilots have limited gear per fight having to deal with potential enemies

(Con)

>>14275289

8 v 8 teams. Maps about twice as biggest VD maps but instead of instant death borders you just get shot down by more and more mts. UNACS can be used and MT/normal armies of 16 can be customized and used in conjunction with your normal AC squad. Operator is an optional slot making the game 9 v 9 technically and that position allows you to read layouts of the maps, deploy recons and high end mts from a transport/carrier (that can be shot down)

It's a three faction persistent war but it never ends, land doesn't get reset. There are 60 large maps spread across Earth and another 40 maps on Luna, Space Stations and Mars. There are distinct benefits to owning territories such as buffs and extra mts defending your base. Bases can be customized and Mobile
Arms Forts and Giant Mts can be created if enough territory and resources are controlled.

Hover leg types are back. In fact every part from Armored Core history is back with slight aesthetic and numeric changes. Armor types, radiators, eo cores, overboost cores etc are all there. Physics is like VD era but overall look is like AC4 era. Story line takes you through original AC timeline up until AC2 timeline into space. Physics in space is much more like AC4 era, faster, no gravity or wall jumping necessary.

Out of suit elements are expanded upon. After your AC is destroyed you get one life as a pilot that carries anti-ac weapons, jetpack and a camera. After the pilot is killed you can view the cams of your surviving team mates. Pilots can steal wins and are hard to see so they are a relevant part of the game though it's over all more useful to be in your AC.

>>14301371

enemies having load-outs on par with Grey Cloud (Another Age), Leviathan, Phantasm, and more at a given moment (mobile armors are frequent in UC). This is kind of blurry but honestly being in say a GMIII dealing with that on average is scarier than being in very good NEXT dealing with The Answerer.

Newtypes are the penultimate answer to situation awareness that pilots have problems dealing with in 3 dimensions (space). It is true: Newtypes have an incredible advantage, but remember that newtype prowess is plot driven. A newtype is given gear suited for their abilities and some newtypes are better with remote weapons than others (Haman is more a funnel pilot than Char is, but Char is a better assault pilot). EOs, Obits, and remote weapons are automated in Armored Core with limited capacity. I don't know if a newtype can sense the intent of remote weapons operated by a machine and if they can't (say, Unicorn and Banshee's hacky way of making this happen) then AI enemies have extreme advantages over them. Nine Ball was an ace pilot that once lived and now he's a machine. I can't imagine your average cyber newtype (who by the way are kids with extreme emotional problems, inexperience in fighting, and poor judgement) doing well against something it can't sense. This is why newtypes of questionable talent are given heavy hiting weapons and mobile armor like Quess: they may be talented, but they won't live long enough in a real fight. You increase their chances of operating if you given them a clutch. Cultivators, AI, and Aliens that exist in Armored Core will throw off a very weak newtype pilot into making a mistake. I'd wager to guess that the best newtypes in UC alone are at a very top percentile which means there's very few of them.

Armored Core ravens on average are normals. You RARELY get someone extraordinary and if you do you can count them in one hand: Genobee, J, Nine Ball, and maybe someone from AC4A I am missing.

>>14272438

I seriously hope AC6 is the 2017 multi-platform blockbuster that From is working on. Let AC make everyone forget about Souls crap.

I would love if my normie friends are texting me to get online to play AC for once.

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>>14301304
I just wonder why you think copy pasting posts from months ago is gonna get anyone. You've even been spamming them even in other threads man. I don't know who you're even trying to fool, it's not even shitposting it's just lazy.

>>14301431

here's your (you)

>>14275268

I don't think western people see a distinction between Western and Japanese Giant Robots. They just see Giant Robots. It's not as popular in the states but people don't actively hate robots and you don't have to explain what they are. Many successful movies in the US directly involve mecha stuff. Terminator series, iRobot, Avatar, Matrix, Transformers, Alien etc.

>>14301444

It's just the narrative. You can sell robot action movies just fine if the CGI is good, music is rock or "epic" orchestra, and you don't add emotional gundam whiny newtype shit in it. That's usually the formula for a good selling movie, but japs can't into emotions and westerners can't into attention span.

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>>14276897

Nice chart.

All my favorite games are labeled as hard.

Thumbs up, moving along.

>>14277924

4 and 4a are some of the easiest games. If you make a balanced loadout and a half decent frame you can beat every mission without changing a thing. Machinegun(s). Pural? Theres your problem right there.

>>14283252

AC4A
ACVD

Starter AC
Nineball

>>14301431

First time posting in this thread. I'm just listing what I'm interested in for an AC sequel just like the another anon asked. I can think what I want. I don't go to other boards. Maybe you should go back to /v/ or /vg/ instead of getting butthurt that not everyone has the same opinions as you?

>>14301472

You shouldn't have given him attention. He's obvious bait bro.

>>14301449

Your the only one bringing up Gundam. Giant robots can be interesting and successful in western cinema. It's already been proven with past movies. Anime isn't as special snowflake/weird as you think it is. Many of the elements and tropes in mecha animes have already been in western movies with no pushback. Pacifism, super senses, love triangles, child soldier stories etc.

>>14301478

I haven't been on 4chan in awhile. I remember /m/ being one of the more polite and well-informed boards. When did the /v/ and /tv/ cunts start showing up?

>>14301479

What? That isn't an argument. The reason no one cares about giant robots is because of the whiney association of anime+awkward and non-simplistic stuff seen with stuff of Gundam. I basically listed what made Transformers selling and it's because it has action, simplistically, musical taste (choose between 2 genres), and characterization (if needed, let's be honest). Anime doesn't sell in the states.. so let's sell a title that is from Japan, but it isn't anime. Now you have a blockbuster. Don't get hurt.

>>14301486
I don't know. I just gave him his (You) and carried on because this is what he wanted and that's disarray.

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>>14301494

I would have agreed with you 10 years ago but now anime is full main stream. Some of my normie friends actively watch animes on netflix and ask me if I've seen Attack on Titan, Knights of Sidonia and Psychopass LOL

I like mecha and I don't think it's going anywhere in Japanese or Western media. Shit the CW is full Toku now and Cape movies are 50% about fighting robots or having a robot on the team. I think casual audiences are down for it and have no idea about this fictional war of ideas that you have about anime, robot popularity and japan vs us. Consumers will eat this shit up in both countries and have been doing so for decades at this point. You might was well try and argue that toku will never be popular in the US hahah

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>>14267632

Armored Core Franchise > other Video games

Game encourages creativity, math and tactics. Have to bring different builds for different situations. Don't get started on UNACs and the idea of making your own bot. I pray for more AC games.

>>14301505

>Anime is mainstream

Anime was pesudo mainstream since the 2000s boom and still can't sell a movie. You recall the last movie in theaters that's anime? Dragon Ball Revival of F and that didn't do hot in any part of the imagination. Dragon Ball Z. That title could sell itself and is much more popular than even Transformers on the internet and world over can't sell a ticket worth a damn. Anime will always be secondary to western media. Cartoons are associated with whacky Family Guy nonsense. It will NEVER sell outside of kids and say those on imageboards. Your average consumer isn't going to wanna watch that or admit to watching it to a girl or his friends.

Transformers work because they have a shitty cast with western highschool problems (until after the fallen), sports cars, 2 kinds of music, and MUCH MUCH action (and pro american military stuff which probably gives them half their funding). You won't win deviating from this with mecha. People wanna see machines explode not their characters explode into tears. Anime is associated with weirdo hugpillows, whacky XD humor, tentacles, and retardation (arguable: as perceived by the viewer). It isn't "cool" like marvel movies are.

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>>14301523

Eh I only really watch mecha animes so I can't really comment on the Dragon ball crowd. As long as we get a next gen Ac game I don't really care if we get anime movies or if people think anime is popular. So not a concern for me at all.

If your still trying to argue that westerners don't like giant robots or anime then I think your out of touch and wrong. Either way it doesn't matter. I came here for Armored Core discussion.

>>14301535

>Your out of touch and you're wrong
>I don't care really

I mean you can be passive aggressive all you like and live in denial for the next 30 years, but anime had a chance and missed it. Cartoon Network ditched anime to only bring it back when some crowd came to them and they had a revenue for it. Adult Swim even said "Anime doesn't sell" and it's pure fact. It's niche.

Armored Core probably has the most potential do make a decent selling movie, but it has to appeal to the attention span of your average westerner. Fill the movie with LOTS of action and good choreography and you're golden.

Does anyone else really like the voice acting in AC? There's just something about how simultaneously serious and cheesy it is, especially in the Agetec titles.

>>14301523
Resurrection F made over $8 mil, that's pretty good for a limited release. I still wouldn't say anime is mainstream though, but it's whatever the step directly below mainstream is.

AC2 had some great cheesy voice acting. Especially Leos Klein and the Frighteners.

>>14301578

Yeah it's secondary just as I said. 8 million is alright but that's 1999 numbers for success and you need to make double that for today's higher gross numbers.

>>14276897
>LR
>Fucking Hard
I bet is another overrated shit like the souls serie.

>>14301509
>Don't get started on UNACs
Programing a good UNAC is insane.

>>14301701
I fucking wish LR was as easy as Souls. It's basically mandatory to port a 90% completed save from a former AC game at the very least if you want to beat it. I don't think ACLR can be beaten starting from scratch on the first playthrough.
And even with all thise parts unlocked, Pulverizers, enemy ACs and Motherfucking Zinaida wilkcbest your ass up to eleven.
It's a masterpiece.

>>14301546

Different anon but who cares about Adult Swim and why the fuck would we want an Armored Core movie?

Go back to /co/ or /tv/ pls.

>>14301786

What are you on about? I'm giving reason why you have to tailor a movie a specific way for goods sales. Don't get hurt cause your precious anime is for weirdos and fringe people.

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>>14301423
Well, Lynx in AC 4A was mostly an above average pilot, even a bit more AMS in person is rather hard to find. When they do, they are basically newtype without extreme psychic power.

Piloting AC is not easy man, even with all that fancy loadout, bad control means death to all pilots. And most AC battles are done in high speed at 300kmh at slowest.

Ravens more like duellers because of their job as mercenary, they're not bounded by strict rules, and do job if paid. So most of the time they punch each other to hone their skills. But they also do good agains armies, that even 2 times more powerfull than UC goons, even with crappy starting AC. There is reasons the Ravens are feared, not just because fancy AC, but their skill as a warrior. Hell most ravens started out as pilot of Ball/GM-equivalent MT. When they see your potential, they pick your up.

Also, you know that some of the bosses (mostly at 3 and former i think) are unknown by yourself, so there's also surprise factor in AC.

>>14302848

I don't disagree with some of your points, but the fact your AC alone can fight small PMC armies in older games doesn't mean your piloting is good but that your AC is strong. I think this is more or less a bad gaming mechanic that was corrected far later in ACV.

I didn't really want to include AC4's generation because they a minority and sort of an exemption. Their tech alone is far beyond what even the most special irregular can do in the main games that even Pulverizer tech can only do 1/3rd its capabilities. The pilots are about roughly "physically" superior but I don't know about their qualifications as actual pilots. The entire premise of AC4A is based on what Strayed does and no one moves a muscle in the story UNLESS you do. Last Raven had actual background and offscreen action between characters. Strayed would have to be inhuman to fight the entire upper percentile and win in the oldking ending at once which is pretty sad.

Now for the surprise element? Yeah it does happen, but you're more likely to get ganked and ambushed in UC by people pretending to be in mook units then say that happening in AC in any regard. You'll get ganked in AC yes, but the entire situation of UC fighting is usually in groups of whoever depending on what model they are in. Shade in Armored Core 3 Silent Line will always be in Silhouette, but Amuro can be in a Doban Wolf during Neo Zeon and I'd never know.

who /formulafront/ here?

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>>14301701
>I bet is another overrated shit like the souls serie.
:^)

>>14304116
>Jack-o senpai will never notice you

>>14303173
>Copies the Sierranevada enemy in Arena
>Switch to dual Heavy Shotgun

Steamrolled every enemy except the very heavy AC ones. which can be killed with a heavier AC setup with dual bazookas

>>14302848
>basically newtype without extreme psychic power

I am really confused here and the newtype comparision, I understand that LYNX dont have anykind of special power or physic powers, the AMS is just the level of tolerance they have when connected to their NEXT, if you want a gundam equivalent, wouldnt be that with IBO with Ālaya-Vijñāna system? in IBO there is a couple of times that you see that using a big machine with bigger information outpot that you can handle can harm you, or in the end were Mika push his already high connection with 3 spikes to the limit and end fucking his eye and arm. I understand that the AMS compatibility is just the natural and unique (in other words vary from person to person) resistance to this, the higher it is, the less strain you get when piloting a NEXT.

This is out of the wiki.
>The pilot's nerves are literally wired, or "linked", into the NEXT's electronics, allowing lightning-fast reaction time and perfect 1:1 manipulation. The data output is sent to the IRS, which is the NEXT's centralized control system.

>those with low compatibility suffered from weaker control over their machines and larger amounts of psychic stress, such as in of Malzel or Don Colonel. Exceptions did exist, like low compatibility Lynxes such as Amazigh, who instead took lethal levels of psychic stress in return for greater control of his NEXT, and Hari, whose unique AMS compatibility allowed him to fight for only short periods of time before having to make a temporary withdraw and calm down before attacking again.

>>14304339
a truly sad case, because Jack treat him like shit while the guy have actual combat talent and is loyal to him.

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>>14304339
That's because Bolt was obviously not a Dominant and filthy plussie scum.

Kind of like that sucker Evangel.

>>14304426
Even both have look a like system, NEXTs are more stressfull than IBO gundam, even when smaller. It have far more advance tech and AI and much greater power output, much more complex system, and then far more faster (2000 kph fast at OB in med build, 700 kph sidestepping). And as your know, battling in AC is not cumbersome like IBO, even in heavy build you play at 300-400 kph at slowest. Also anything that happens to NEXTs is also happened to their pilot, more like extension of his/her body, so everytime NEXT get damaged, its also damaging the Lynx inside, and then you can see how destructive the weaponry of AC 4. By that, the Lynx reflexes, endurance and determination is more played out to superhuman level to handle their machine and their battles. Thats why i can compare them to newtype.

people that don't have enought AMS/incompatible and strong mind not just get heavily stressed, they also can be driven insane or worse, killed instantly.

>>14304547
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>>14302848
>>14301523
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>>14301494
why do you think copy pasting posts from months ago is gonna get anyone?

>>14304547

Newtypes aren't superhuman just psychics. Newtypes in gundam don't come anywhere near the same amount of stress a Lynx does when piloting unless we're talking about the unstable emotional brats of ZZ or Four.

If anything Lynx are more akin to pilots operating the Banshee or Unicorn.

>>14304943
The AMS connects the pilot's brain directly to the NEXT and damage dealt to the robot causes feedback which can kill the pilot (which is what happened to the Fragile guy).

>>14304951

That's not psychic power though. That's just pilot augmentation. Do you know what a newtype is?

>>14304957
I did not say anything about psychics and am not the guy you are replying to, retarded child. Learn to 4chan before posting please.

>>14304961

Then what point were you making other than just stating something everyone knows while you reply to me you moron?

>>14304965
Learn to 4chan before posting please, retarded child.

>>14304968

So you have no point? Good to know.

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>>14304972

>>14304461
AC visual novel/Tactic RPG with moe pilots when?

>>14304547
So what would happen if someone makes a ACFAxGundam Crossover?

>>14305118
if the primal armor manage to be a good defense against laser weapons, then ACFA side will win HARD....and fuck another planet for the extensive use of Kojima particles.

>>14305118

There will be rape, alot, and both Otsdarva and White Glint will going in too both Amuro and a Char boipussy, DRY.

Gundoom fags better pray that Assault cell aren't destroyed yet.

>>14305965
>Gundoom fags better pray that Assault cell aren't destroyed yet.

AC with space battles when?

>>14276897
> 4 and 4A listed as medium and easy
> Found both impossible and never got into the series
> 5 and Verdict day listed as difficult and hard
> Found both incredibly easy and remember starting a company with /v/irgins for fun back in the day

I guess
> tfw your autism lines up perfectly for a game

>>14301781
Probably just exageration, or the nostalgia is clouding your mind.

>>14306842
Not him but even the best AC players get pulverized in that game

>>14306842
>Probably just exageration, or the nostalgia is clouding your mind.
Not him, but stop being a tryhard, even Miyazaki said that LR was balls to the wall hard and Souls games are a joke compared to AC's difficulty level.

LR is unanimously considered the hardest AC and possibly the hardest FROM game ever made.

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>>14306798
Maybe thats just preference. I personally found 1 and project phantasma is harder than 3 and nexus, but thats because the fucking ps1 control.

And ill try 4/4A and its piss easy, (goddamn dat unlimited flying/skiing booster) but still fun.

Also best AC design.

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No mention of Phantom Crash? This game makes my dick rock hard. The mech designs, the feel of the universe, the music... everything. A very unique and underrated gem in my opinion.

>tfw ventuno master race

>>14273416

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_swd8ioRgE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JBlWOQ6WHY

>>14307825
You are so not wrong there, loved that game. Never played the sequel though.

>>14307774
> even Miyazaki said that LR was balls to the wall hard
source?

did he said that in a interview? I will need it to shut up souls fags.

>>14307813
>pic
Only if that thing were canon.

>>14301781
>>14306842
>>14307774
I think I'll put in my two cents here. Last Raven is indeed a very hard game. That's no exaggeration. I still get my ass handed to me from time to time. The problem I have with the game is that the only things that pose a threat to you are other ravens, which you will fight a few of them no matter what route you take, and the pulverizers. The choppers can shoot a few bullets and maybe a rocket, but go down easily. Fighter jets are a similar story. Those chicken walker MTs fire weak rifle rounds and are dispatched by a single bitch slap from a laser blade. I don't even know why FROM even bothered with adding foot soldiers since their attacks take around maybe 15-30 AP per salvo. I don't really know the exact number, but since an AC's total AP is at a bare minimum of around 7,000, they're practically irrelevant. Those high end MTs, especially the ones with ECM, can be annoying, but are never come in enough numbers to take you down. The Leviathan can be bothersome in the mission where you assault the old corporate headquarters but that's because it's flying too high for most AC's to blade it and there's ECM involved. As for the Raven's, many of them use OP-Intensify, so they're not playing on an even playing field. For example, Bolt (>>14304116) uses a very powerful laser cannon that would normally require him to kneel down to fire, but since he's an OP-I user, he can fire it at any position. Zinaida is the absolute worst offender of this because she gets an limitless capacitor and can fly the entire fight. It's still a hard game, and is still fun, but I can't help but feel that FROM cut a few corners to achieve the level of difficulty in Last Raven.

>>14309618
Something I miss, that while kinda overpowered because the OP-I, the AI is also well designed and made to exploit the build of each AC, DS doesnt have something like that just overpowered bosses and the gameplay itself, I dont mean is not fun but you dont see AI like that nowdays.

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>tfw equipping as many synchronized missiles as possible in the ps2 AC games

>>14309669
>"I will bring my OWN itano circus and no one is going to stop me"

>>14273196
what AC is this? I always thought it was one of Muv-Luvs TSFs

>>14309686
Latona, if I'm reading the art book right.

Anybody got a place to download the Armored Core soundtracks?

Nyaa and Baka aren't turning anything up, and those FFshrine/Galbaldia/KHInsider shitholes are demanding money these days.

>>14309686
LATONA made by Interior Union and appears only on For Answer.

Best waifu use that frame.

>>14309850
http://pastebin.com/Ek3kMtZW

>>14267651
Did the artist just pick these randomly? They're out of order

>>14272079
>>14272283
I like how people say that From Software makes hard games just by them playing Dark Souls. AC:LR is true suffering. Never had I ever played a harder game. Also, does anyone have opinions on the FS game Frame Gride?

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>>14309618
>>I can't help but feel that FROM cut a few corners to achieve the level of difficulty in Last Raven.

Are you saying giving opposing Ravens OP-I was cutting a corner? I heard that FROM cut OP-I from players because people were complaining about it at tournaments but continued to grant it to computer opponents to make it harder against you anyway.

I definitely think that there are more than a few expendable enemies on the field but I think the MTs, choppers, and planes are meant to kill your ammo reserves for more important foes rather than pose a threat.

>>14310238
I still have the anus that LR gave me even after all these years.

So. Random and probably lame though. Is Armored Core a cyberpunk series focusing on PMC's rather than hackers? The settings seem close to what cyberpunk tends to offer. Just focusing on a different part of that kind of decayed crapped up society.

>>14310718
the setting will be probably more industrial than cyber, and there is almost nothing with hackers of stuff, is just mercenaries killing each other with big robots, and capitalism is bad btw.

>>14310926
Well cyberpunk doesn't necessarily need hackers, just see Blade Runner, you don't even see one in the movie, yet it still cyberpunk. Cyberpunk is more emphasise in "punk" words, that life in future so shit you must fight it.

Also with thing like extreme bio-cybernification thing like human +, mecha, corrupt megacorporates, AI, human interface, rebellion that shown in AC games, i can say it is cyberpunk.