G Reco vs IBO?

>>14239790
Mikazuki is just a Setsuna pastiche but with more plot armor gary stu thrown into the mix

>>14239798
>I have no idea what I'm talking about but want to say words.

Honestly I thought they were both awful

>>14239798
>Mikazuki is just a Setsuna pastiche
Setsuna was showing actual emotions by like episode 16 or so and changing as a person. Mikazuki hasn't done jack shit in comparison

>>14239790
I'll go with IBO because of Chocolate man

G-Reco.
G-Self is a better looking MS.
Also, IBO is just too boring.

>>14239790
>>14239800
>>14239803
>>14239834
Jesus, IBOfags are just as retarded as the actual show

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>mech designs
Greco
>character designs
Greco
>sound affects
greco
>character personalities
greco
>non-nonsensical characters
Greco
>easy to follow plot
IBO
>spoon feeding the viewer
IBO
>pacing
both horrid but on opposite ends of the spectrum
>easy to tell who's the good guys to bad guys
IBO
>best girls
greco
>best boy
greco
>re-watch ability
equal

I'd say Greco is better so far but IBO will be getting a season 2 so that season may tip the scales. But GReco was said to make a movie so that might fix the pacing issues.

>>14240039
You're not exactly proving a point here.

>>14240039
I was criticizing IBO in my post

>>14239790
Whoa wheres that image from?

>>14240752
extreme versus maxi boost on

http://gundam-vs.jp/extreme/acmb-on/

I much prefer G-Reco, but I never hated IBO, I just thought it was mediocre.

>>14240057
I'm going to have to disagree with you on the characters. Yes, G-reco had better characterization but I hated all the characters and wished them all slow painful deaths.

I mean, seriously Klim, first you demand their surrender and then jam all communications? How the hell are they supposed to even offer their surrender? And Bellri? She's an enemy POW, not your girlfriend. Why the hell didn't you tie her to the railing? Why didn't you kick her out of the cockpit? AND HAS ANYONE EVER HEARD OF MORSE CODE AND A SIGNAL LAMP?

I had to stop after the first story arc. It was just too stupid.

>>14240786
That's one of the themes of reco, humanity was been at peace so long that they didn't remember how to properly conduct war.

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>>14240039
Dont ever reply to me unless youre contributing to this thread

>>14240829
THAT is something beyond belief. Humanity can't seem to go a single generation without somebody shooting somebody. Even in modern times there are countless brushfire wars and civil strife going on. To say there's no war anywhere is like saying humanity is no longer humanity.

>>14240039
How the fuck did you get IBOfag out of us calling Mikazuki a shit character?

>>14240953

Not the other anon.

They were under threat by tangible (to the earthnoids) deities who gave them all their technology and power. But Ameria and some other country did go to war but it's all off-screen and as far as we know from the show just a big shitshow.

Basically they do wage war, they're just really fucking dumb about it like a bunch of cavemen. There's no code of conduct and Klim himself proves himself to an almost Char-like swindler and brat who just happens to be on the winning side.

He even tried to ram the moon gods' ship into his dad to kill him at the end because Klim got mad over being sent out to space to fight the spacenoids as a distraction. If Klim demanded surrendered and then jammed communications he probably did it on purpose, though I don't recall when that was. He outright advocated wiping out all of the Towasangas and said he was planning to get rid of the Capital Army while they were in a temporary alliance under Towasanga.

Klim is the real Char of G-Reco. Mask is just some buttmad pretty boy who froths at the mouth whenever someone brings up privilege.

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>>14241018
>Mask is just some buttmad pretty boy who froths at the mouth whenever someone brings up privilege.
How dare you!

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>>14241041

>>14240829
>>14240953
>>14241018
Aren't the Amerians supposed to be in a long-ass war with Gondwan and that's the entire reason they have aerospace battleships and mobile suits in the first place?

Doesn't matter both have good porn

>>14241104
sorry but IBO has better. GReco is few and far between

>>14241081
Fuck, I don't even know anymore. I never watch it through the first time and I have no interest in picking it up again.

>>14239790
Bellri is just Amuro x Judau with incestual tendency

>>14241109
Actually this.

G-reco porn is almost non-existent, but we got a good amount of Fumitan and Kudelia's fan books

>>14241109
>that one THICK Mick doujin

It remains undefeated. I'd take quality over quantity

What if i like both for different reasons?

G-reco definitely. IBO is boring and hideous with characters that felt like they were copy pasted from different shows.

The dialogue is just annoying because it's filled with textbook like comedy, reactions and naive shallow pretentious speeches. Everything and everyone are set pieces that mostly exist to job to the main cast and provide exposition dump. Also, characters don't have dynamics despite being family and shit. I feel like people only liked the stupid dialogue because of the enormous exposition that gets them up to speed and thought "that's smart".

Everything is just too convenient and battles have no tension. People tell me this is better than 00 for not having trans-spam are retarded because MC privilege beats everything.

G-Reco while not fantastic is still far better than IBO. IBO made watching mediocre shows feel good because everytime I see a bad part I'd kept telling myself "at least it's not as bad or boring as IBO".

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>>14241468
>People tell me this is better than 00 for not having trans-spam are retarded because MC privilege beats everything.
I don't believe you

They're both fun and only hipsters hate them.

>>14241294
I still need to find that doujin

>>14240786
>AND HAS ANYONE EVER HEARD OF MORSE CODE AND A SIGNAL LAMP?
Manny has.

>>14239790
G-Reco I could enjoy and find good things about, IBO I had a hard time finding anything decent to it aside from Ein Graze.

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>>14240057
>>best boy
>greco

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>>14241662
you think IBO has better boys than Greco?

>>14241468
>People tell me this is better than 00 for not having trans-spam
oh I remember that promise
>IBO has no beams, no flying backpacks, no special weapon, no powerful guns
>you know what else IBO doesn't have? animation, choregraphy, plot or enough fights.

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>>14240953
>THAT is something beyond belief.
How many of us have fought in Iraq or Afghanistan? Some of us surely, but not most of us. We are currently living in the most peaceful time in modern history and while, yes, shit still sucks for most of humanity, most of our understanding of killing people consists of going inna woods, watching gore gifs, or shitposting on /k/. Which is the point. We EXPECT that people act in a manner befitting their position, but that's not the case.

Keep this in mind: One of G-Reco's many social commentaries is the fact that the current adult population in Japan has not been in a major war in nearly 70 years, and yet, at the time of G-Reco's airing, there was a concious public shift towards redifining their constitution to allow for more offensive military operations (which, of course, passed). Tomino is chastizing certain politicians of his country for their saber-rattling when they are too young to remember the horrors of growing up in the aftermath of war they lost.

>>14241485
Brutha

>>14240786
>I hated all the characters and wished them all slow painful deaths.
That IBO for me. All of Tekadan with the exception of Guts, Biscuit and Mechanic were insufferable.
Making stupid ass decisions, never once trying to question them when those very decision come and bite them in the ass. Instead they continue to make them all while babbling about "My family" and "My bonds" and how the enemy will pay. You could argue that in times of war it's simple to hate your enemy instead questioning yourself but Tekadan not only has a literal hand holding babysitter by their side but they were given many chances to pull out and multiple characters call them out on their shit but they never learn. Even worse is when things miraculously work out for Tekkadan those characters calling them out start to believe that Tekkadan is right.
We are to believe Tekkadan and Mars has it tough and yet Tekkadan after joining Teiwaz they start enjoying the good life. The phrase that Mars has it tough is repeated several times yet we are shown only background scenes of that, just showing us that it's there. Multiple shitty sob stories, shit writing, stupid character progression, crappy animation.
The worse gundam for me tied with destiny.

>>14242358
This is exactly the same for me. Personally I found Carta, Laughter and Gali enjoyable, but aside from that it was like I was watching a show filled with nothing characters.

>>14240786
But characters in IBOs constantly mad stupid plans, only in IBO they worked if it was a Tekkadan or associate plan.

For example the time the dort workers are caught by the please, are held at gun point but then slowly bend down to pick up a gun and starts firing before the police can do anything. Well that and no one on dort having a picture of Kudelia when they are trying to catch Kudelia, can't even use the excuse of well it takes time to get a message from Mars cause not only have people travelled from their back to earth by that time but old man rape doujin sent a message to the colony in like a few minutes. Fuck if you really want to talk about leaps in logic how about Fumi agreeing to get Kudelia killed, letting the plan go ahead saying Kudelia is still a fucking moron but then saving her cause apparently only this moron can be the maiden of the revolution. Or the snipers not taking another shot when she is right there cause they got a call saying this is good enough and the plan didn't actually need to be so convoluted with killing a young girl which tehy must have spent years setting up.

Fucking hell dort arc was a mess


>>14241762
>One of G-Reco's many social commentaries is the fact that the current adult population in Japan has not been in a major war in nearly 70 years, and yet, at the time of G-Reco's airing, there was a concious public shift towards redifining their constitution to allow for more offensive military operations
that's an interesting point. Greco was able to do this a lot and it was nice as it didn't just stick the concept in your face, it was actually part of the world and story

On the other hand IBO would go OH MUH POOR WAR OPRHANS and then have them happily running around a ship with lots of food constantly winning. There was a huge dissonance between what IBO said and tried to use thematically and how shit played out

>>14242487
This

>>14239790
G reco :^)

>>14239790
>G Reco vs IBO?
ITT: There hasn't been much shitposting lately so lets reignite that shit flinging session
Fuck off OP

>>14239790
I didn't like either.

>>14241762
Irrelevant, in most wars only a fraction of the population was at war. During world war 2, the US had a population of about 130 million and had just over 12 million deployed.

Military tradition and officer schools preserve our proficiency at war. Bellri was in fact in one of these programs. If anyone should know about the practices of war it's him.

>>14239790
IBO, G-Reco was not only terrible but a huge disappointment. But both were pretty terrible, GBF is the only good Gundam in recent years.

>>14242759
But you again forget that these people aren't trained soldiers and have at best seen a little action. As opposed to the Ghorn which are all trained soldiers on duty but are completely incompetent

>Bellri was in fact in one of these programs.
no he wasn't. Capital Guard weren't a standing army and at best some had be in tiny dog fights against pirates

I honestly haven't enjoyed a Gundam series since 00 S1 ended. I guess GBF was a good distraction but I consider that more like a spinoff thing

>>14242831
>no he wasn't. Capital Guard weren't a standing army and at best some had be in tiny dog fights against pirates

Even an entirely peacetime anti-piracy force would know better than let a prisoner run wild. Hell, precisely because they are a peacekeeping force means they should know how to manage prisoners.

>But you again forget that these people aren't trained soldiers and have at best seen a little action. As opposed to the Ghorn which are all trained soldiers on duty but are completely incompetent

So they're trained in mobile suit, wear uniforms, and are charged with the protection of the capital from outsiders. That basically puts them on par with the coast guard or state troopers. Either way they should know better than that.

>>14242907
>let a prisoner run wild
What? They locked her up in a secure prison. Bellri went to get her when shit went down, that isn't letting her run wild. Cumpa knew her real origin and that she wasn't a threat so that's when she was in his office later to have a talk. When they all got in the G-Self it was Cumpa setting his plan in motion, the rest wanted to stop Klim and the wanting to figure out want is going on in the world because shit is going down.

There is nothing wrong there

>That basically puts them on par with the coast guard or state troopers.
So they aren't a real army and don't actually engage don't engage in any warfare just using their monopoly on photon batteries to control people. So no, they wouldn't know about that stuff as it hasn't been relevant to them for ages and as >>14241762 pointed out it is to make a point about how Japan doesn't really understand war like it use to so becoming more militarised is an issue. So your point really isn't valid, the Capital Guard is not an army and do not face warfare so do not properly understand it.

Also if you are so dead set on this you can't ignore how incompetent Ghorn are and try and say the point is what makes IBO better. In fact it makes less sense as Greco is a more light hearted silly show and IBO tries to be dark and mature.

>>14242957
> Bellri went to get her when shit went down, that isn't letting her run wild

She wasn't tied up and she managed to get into the cockpit with Bellri. She was running wild.

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>>14243336
>She wasn't tied up and she managed to get into the cockpit with Bellri
They were told to get in the suit, she was the one who could stop klim with no fight, Bellri felt there was something special about her which is an actual phenomenon when family separated at a young age feel, they wanted to go back to her ship so Bellri could spy on it learning what is going on and it was part of Cumpa's plan to have the suit stolen so he could start war.

Still waiting for you to explain why it is okay for IBO to have an incompetent army that was meant to be controlling from here to mars for 300 years, but not for Greco to have people who have barely if every experienced it not understand war

>>14243370
>Still waiting for you to explain why it is okay for IBO to have an incompetent army that was meant to be controlling from here to mars for 300 years, but not for Greco to have people who have barely if every experienced it not understand war

That's because Gjallarharn wasn't so much incompetent as corrupt. Much of their tactics are by the book and would work against a typical foe. For example, Lt. Zent actually got the upper hand on Mika in their duel at one point but lost because he didn't know about the pile driver in Barbatos's Mace.

Tekkadan got away with what they did for two reasons. First, every member had a fanatical resolve to get the job done at any cost. As a result they'd throw themselves unflinchingly into any danger and accept any casualties. The second reason is the Alaya-Vijnana system. With the A-V system every one of Tekkadan's pilots were fighting like veterans and with the combat experience they accumulated they might as well all be aces.

Gjallarhorn's rank and file were as good as you can expect. They don't make idiot mistakes and don't panic. The problem is that their officers couldn't adapt to Tekkadan's tactics as fast as they needed to. Take Carta's first encounter with tekkadan. Using the Brewer's ship as a shield is a bit weird since it only protected the isaribi from the front. Carta's fleet would have taken the Isaribi from the sides as it passed. The Nanomirror chaff was another surprise but one that's easily countered. Carta's only mistake was not ordering the chaff destroyed as soon as it showed up.

>>14243484
>That's because Gjallarharn wasn't so much incompetent
>Carta

Yeah...you're an idiot

>>14243484
>That's because Gjallarharn wasn't so much incompetent as corrupt.
They were incompetent they just so happen to be corrupt as well much of the time
>The leader on Mars who rammed his head against a wall screaming like he's a saturday morning cartoon villain
>Crank going for a 1v1 duel against a Gundam that can destroy his mech in one swing
>Ein being mad that orphans didn't let themselves be murdered
>A squad of 6 aren't able to take out 2 people in their first fight in space, hell their first time being n space
>Literally unable to do anything against the kids once the leave for Mars
>Let dort workers pick guns back up to start shooting when they have them at gun point
>Can't get a picture of Kudelia or even a description
>Lost a colony in a day cause one girl claimed they were bad when she had zero evidence
>Lost the colony to people they had basically all killed which we saw them doing
>Carta's worthless blockade
>Carta asking for a fair duel
>Carta asking for a fair duel again
>Only sending fucking Carta the most worthless shit after them on earth instead of all those troops they have
>Ein's zero kill count
>Were constantly destroyed by a group of children with 3 MS
Yeah, they were incompetent at every level

>But muh orphan pride and 2 AV systems
Oh I guess that is what made them stand still and have mechs made of cardboard. McGillis even points out the Barbatos's specs aren't really that special. This isn't fucking getter where if you feel something enough you get more powerful, it was trying to be more grounded.

>. The problem is that their officers couldn't adapt
So, they were incompetent

You can't say Greco is bad for a reason IBO suffers worse from

>>14243538
To be fair to Crank, he didn't know it was a gundam at the time. He and the rest thought it was just some junky old ms leftover from the war the kids dug up somewhere. In comparison his graze was a post-war design based on one of the highest performance frames of the war.

>>14243575
He saw it rip through a Graze with one swing, you have to be pretty stupid to think going 1v1 with that is a good idea.

Plus surely they had records to look through what kind of mech it is, in fact we see Mcgillis do just that. It could be argued they just don't have that data but I see no reason not to share it around your force especially those at the place gundams seemed to be used the most and are still out there.

>>14243589
>I can't think like an aristocrat
lol
>interoperability of forces and exchange of information
>a concern in a political career machine

>>14243493
Carta got her position through political measures. That's a matter of corruption. Her subordinates, however, were rigorously disciplined and other officers like Fareed and Gaelio are pretty damn good at what they do.

>>14243589
Mind you, Crank managed to go toe to toe with Barbatos and actually broke it's mace at one point.

>>14240786

Kim is a glorious American prince. Su-Cord loving Eurofags won't understand.

>>14243613
So that means she isn't stupid and neither are her subordinates?

You realise Klim got his position being the son of the president right? So I guess everything he does is fine now

>>14241294

Link it bro. Please. For me.

>>14243613
Her subordinates were all young men handpicked for their looks and not skills or experience. Her entire unit was not intended to see actual combat and was created solely to get her out of the way and keep her safe so daddy fardeen could continue to absorb her families influence.

>>14241485

Ma nigga

>>14241555
>>14243645
baka

I'll spoonfeed just this once because this is truly art and should be seen by everyone.

http://g.e-hentai.org/g/844641/e388f2e424/

>>14243613
>>14243484
Didn't you say earlier than it was dumb Bellri didn't know shit when he was a cadet? Cause Carta plus the rest of them would have gone into actual miltary school and had real training. So even saying but corruption they still should have known better

IBOfags Get-REktCO.

>>14241041
>>14241052
Why don't you go eat a hamburger or something you hamburger.

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>>14243716
But I want to eat Manny!

>>14243631
>>14243650
Carta's initial plan in both the orbital defense and the attack on the island were textbook. A bull's horns formation to catch and surround the Isaribi and a distraction play on the island. If you looked in a textbook that's the kind of tactic you'd see. The problem was that Orga saw those plays coming and had a counter waiting in the wings. Carta's real failing was that she couldn't adapt when the situation changed and let her emotions get the better of her. Not bad for a soldier but not enough for a commanding officer.

Bellri doesn't quite understand the word "Treason". More than that, the Capital Guard doesn't seem to have any concept of signal lamps and morse code. Why would they know morse code? Well when the enemy can jam you're radios at the drop of a hat it's generally a good idea to start learning alternate means of communication.

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I did not particularly enjoy G-reco or the first half of IBO, and honestly feel like they are just making Gundams for the sake of making Gundams at this point. This franchise could use a nice break. Hell, it's needed one since AGE was shit out.

So greco ibo and delta is /m/s instant colony drop this summer?

>>14243988
If you enjoyed the second half then there's probably an issue with your taste m8. If not then I can respect your opinion, I guess.

>>14243997
Second half didn't air yet?

>>14243996
Only people trying to resurrect IBO and GReco shitposting while going after Delta. Thankfully Delta isn't enough to cause a shitstorm (except when a girl wins) so if people just stay smart enough to not participate in stupid fanvase wars then we should be fine.

>>14244003
Ah, that's what you meant. I see. While I liked G-Reco I completely agree on everything else.

>>14243996
What is delta?

>>14244015
Macross Delta.

>>14239790
>Now that both have finished
>not Now that the dust has settled
3/10 pretty weak

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>>14239790
I think they're both bad shows overall. I liked watching G-reco but I don't think it was very well put together and the characters felt lacking, a lot of the interactions between them during more serious scenes were okay and actually pretty atypical to the stuff I'm used to watching which I enjoyed. As much as people will meme about tominoisms being screamed during battles, outside of those I felt some of the character interactions had some nuance to them, particularly surrounding Klim since he thinks he's outsmarting everyone.
I understood a lot of what G-Reco was trying to do but that's only because I'm a filthy gaijin that relied on translated interviews before airing. I get it, if you dont know how to fight a war it'll be a complete mess. Maybe not as big of a mess as the Yggdrasil malfunctioning but a rather large mess.

Also, I have to say the plot did feel hastily slapped together with a lot of beautiful set pieces without much reason to explore them other than it just being the next link in the chain of places for them to explore while finding out who they can talk to about photon battery distribution.

IBO's plot "feels" a bit easier to digest but my biggest gripe was the execution and cliche's you see coming a mile away. The entire middle arc felt really stupid. It's harder for me to forgive shows that present themselves as seriously as IBO when they basically operate entirely on really barebones and shoddy politics and basically an entire government being scared of one little girl to the point they create a convoluted series of assassination plots.

>>14242907
The Capital Guard arent a military, they're glorified linesmen, they say it in the show. Check somewhere around when they go back to the Capital.
>>14243966
Bellri was considered kidnapped within the context of the show. It was a ruse to mobilize the army. Very few people knew he piloted the G-Self and they didn't care because their objective was retrieving the G-Self for Cumpa.

>>14239790
I'm going with WING because Treize. Also you're a fucktard.

>>14244049
>Bellri was considered kidnapped within the context of the show. It was a ruse to mobilize the army. Very few people knew he piloted the G-Self and they didn't care because their objective was retrieving the G-Self for Cumpa.
And now I feel bad.

And still don't want to finish watching G-reco

I think they should stop with the TV shows and just make OVAs for a while

>>14241669
At that point it's pretty much Takaki and a couple others vs Bellri and Klim. Really depends on how gay you gay. IBO had all strips from the little redhead artist all the way up to Eugene, Arihiko and the Yamagi pairing. Reco had Bell, Ringo, Klim on the low/foppish end and then Cahill, Dellensen on the high end, with the Megafauna captain for those who like the hairy fat guy doujins.

>>14244049
>particularly surrounding Klim since he thinks he's outsmarting everyone.
Reminder that KLIM WAS RIGHT ABOUT EVERYTHING

>>14244898
Thank fuck you're not in charge.

>>14245582
quality>quantity

>>14239790
IBO is only half done

>>14245649
Half plate of shit is still shit.

>>14244898
Then we get shit like Thunderbolt.
They just need to STOP for a little bit honestly.

>>14245590
He did predict the Reconguista.
>>14244879
Made me feel real bad when he just fucking murdered his teacher who was fighting to rescue him by an accidental combo of learned reflex, habit and the RAYHUNTON CODO

>>14239790
Dude we already have this discussion way back
G-Reco wins period due to Aida Ass
post em

G-Reco for me.

IBO is probably my least favorite Gundam of all time. Say what you will about SEED Destiny, but it's at least sensational enough to be entertaining in the moment even if what's going on is stupid.

>>14250004
Whoa let's not get hasty now.

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>>14241683
>>you know what else IBO doesn't have? animation, choregraphy, plot or enough fights.
Savage.

>>14242759
>in most wars only a fraction of the population was at war.
This is pretty much irrelevant. Tomino's point wasn't that kids must see at least 1 year of real war to grow up into decent human beings ready to live in a functional society. He was saying that people are detached from war because nobody educated them to reality, kids grow up in closed circles and they never manage to experience real world for what it actually is and not for what your parents told you. That is why Bellri and Aida had to detach themselves from their parents and disagree with them for a reason or another.
Family, politicians and society found easier to grow a generation of people who doesn't ask question or think about the consequences of their actions, instead of educating them to find out what is actually happening.

>>14242907
>Either way they should know better than that.
Are we seriously saying this after years and years of prisoners running wild inside the ship during battles?
I mean, how many times did Sarah, Katz or Chara do something VERY stupid and dangerous under Bright's watch? And he actually experienced war TWO times.

>>14243336
You do realize that was part of Cumpa's plan to get Bellri captured and his agenda of remilitarizing Capital Territory pushed against Willmit's will?

>>14243966
>Capital Guard doesn't seem to have any concept of signal lamps and morse code.
Why do you keep saying this bullshit? We have seen Manny using morse code and Capital Army officcers translating it when she goes back to Luin.

IBO all the way. Barbaetos reminds me of a skinny savage kid with ragged clothing. G self is just another gubdam.

And IBO is getting a sequel, whereas Bandai already forgotten about G-Reco.

>>14243652
god bless Tomino and this h-doujin artist
and god bless THICC MICK
bless you too anon for the link, youre a real bro

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>>14246374

Isn't Bellri's sister canonically a bisexual slut?

Kudelia, meanwhile, is as pure as a Puru.

>>14239790
g-reco was physically painful to watch so I'm gonna go with ibo

>>14241468
> I feel like people only liked the stupid dialogue because of the enormous exposition that gets them up to speed and thought "that's smart".

It's a case of the show following a self-contained narrative. People like narratives because they're unlike real life. Things are easy to follow (unrealistic use of exposition, recognizable words rather than future-speak, flashbacks), the cast are neatly-defined characters instead of fleshed out individuals, people get to say that final (Oscar-bait) goodbye, in the end everything is wrapped up nicely and the world is smaller since it only has to tell this one story. Consequences can go fuck themselves unless they're part of the plot, and there's music to amplify whatever mood the show is going for. It's a world it's fans want to escape into, rather dealing with the randomness of real life or real people.