Iron Blooded Orphans

>>14204488
>>hold on hope, 'it's Gundam, it's supposed to be good right?'

When was this ever a certainty?

There are good Gundams, and there are bad Gundams. IBO has some sweet mech designs, but the plot is rather lackluster.

>>14204488
>everyone praises the new Gundam
Where did you get this idea? The newest good gundam is 00.
Unless you count Thunderbolt which is OVA and still ongoing.

>>14204488
The sales in Gunpla is overwhelming, the tv ratings exceeds the 00. This is the most god-tier gundam series I've ever seen.

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>>14204488
When you realize the show is going to be shit.

>>14204525
>The sales in Gunpla is overwhelming
(Citation needed)

>>14204513
ANN, IGN, MAL, Reddit. Those kinds of places are nuts for this show.

>>14204525
>the tv ratings exceeds the 00.
The ratings couldn't even exceed AGE. At least G-Reco has the excuse of airing in the middle of the night for it's ratings, IBO's are a joke.

>>14204513
>Thunderbolt which is OVA and still ongoing.
Thunderbolt is ONA and ended 2 weeks ago. There's a film cut of it coming out at the end of the month or next month, though.

>>14204556
>ended 2 weeks ago
Wait, so it just ended on Episode 4? That's it? They don't break out of Zeek jail? Io says the war isn't over yet then it ends?

>>14204547
Mostly because the people reviewing it clearly haven't seen much, if any, anime in their lives.

>>14204589
The OVA is pretty much an ad for the manga/treat for the manga's fans, kinda like those OVAs in the older days.

>>14204589
>the war isn't over yet
That's basically just them saying "Buy the manga if you want to find out what happens next!" and a sequel hook at the same.
And they can always just pick up where they left off, since they left it at a very easy spot to do so. I would guess it was rather successful for what it was, so I would imagine they'd adapt the rest of the manga.

>>14204547
that's because IBO is Gundam for casuals. It fucking worked.

>>14204513
>00 good

I want this meme to end

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>>14204547
>ANN
>The site that told me not to watch 00, Igloo, ZZ and Victory
Only idiots take their opinion seriously.

>>14204657
It wasn't perfect but it had the ambition and balls to follow through with a story it wanted to tell, fan outcry be damned. It's arguably the second best AU in the franchise (after G).

>>14204488
watch Gundam Thunderbolt and then never touch Gundam again. You'll enjoy the experience.

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>>14204687
>not even recommending the 0079 movies for basic context
You should be ashamed.

>>14204669
They got 3/4 right

That's better than this board already

>>14204657
>I want this meme to end

Never shithead. If you can't understand why 00 is good give back your /m/ card.

>>14204711
Because the movies are the inferior project

>>14204735
If you think 00 is good you don't even have an /m/ card, your still stuck with your nostalgia and /a/ card, you MAL retard.

>>14204786
Not him, but /a/ and MAL hate 00. They only like SEED.

>>14204685

I wouldn't even day it was arguable, X aside the rest aren't much good. And X is only so/so, because it has dull villains, runoff suits and a tepid story. It's main characters save it, but they're not enough.

>>14204820
>/a/
>liking SEED

Just because Jesus Yamato is a dank meme doesn't mean people like it

>>14204820

SEED ranks lower on MAL than 00 though, by several hundred places. Destiny by over a thousand. It's one of the highest rated Gundams there - only Unicorn appears to score higher.

>>14204513
>00
>Thunderbolt
>good
I love this meme

>I want this meme to end
>I love this meme
Meme meme meme meme. Meme meme? Meme meme meme meme meme meme, meme meme meme meme meme. Meme.
>meme
Meme meme.

Having just read the entire of Origin in one sitting, I have to say it's probably the best entry in the whole franchise.

I still like plenty of others though.

>>14204870
americans love 00
look at those color themed power ranger-y suits and transparent symbolism
00 is gundam 'murica

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>>14204533

>>14204735
So tell me why 00 is good then.

>>14205081
>So tell me why 00 is good then.

You tell me why 00 is bad. After all you said that "00 is good" is a meme. So you start.

Grimgerde and Graze a best

>>14204488
>everyone praises the new Gundam

So you knew to /m/?

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>>14204657

If you don't like the Union Flag, get the fuck out shonen.

USA! USA! USA! USA! USA!

>>14204669

Any website that judges an anime on how "problematic" it is, or by how much it disagrees with nu-wave feminist dogma, is shit. This is axiomatic.

I've just finished this anime today OP. I'm into mecha now.

>>14204687
>not watching the entire run of 079, then Zeta

The "muh animation" fags on /m/ are cancer. There's nothing wrong with old anime if you aren't an autist, and seeing Amuro become a man and Kamille spergrage his way through the UC is worth doing even if it means you have to sit through the pre-Odessa desert portion of 079.

>>14205020

It's actually because it accurately portrays the Union as fucking awesome and the EU as total worthless shit.

>>14204488
IBO is shit. Even Mecha fans hate it. Well ones with taste anyways

>>14204510
Also this a good chunk of Gundam is shit.

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>>14204488

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>No arc where Shino rescues a female human debris.

Why did it not happen Okada? I wanted my Gundam version of FM:DLDS' Fruit of Eden.

I mean you were willing to show how shitty life is on Mars but nothing exemplifies shittiness like "saving" a prostitute and fucking her

>>14204488
>It goes to shit after they go to space, literally the shittiest writing I've seen
>Also the blonde whore was probably the most retarded/annoying character I've seen in a long while.
IBO in a nutshell.

>>14206339
Because they would have gotten in bigger shit from jap parents if they did. Holy shit they complained so much as is until they changed it.

Now if IBO had a later time slot? Yeah you would have probably seen more shit like this. Maybe something worse.

>>14206352
I saw a thread on /a/ a wile back about the original IBO ideas Okada had, but unsure if they have been verified
https://desustorage.org/a/thread/139862980/
It sounds a lot less vanilla than what we got

>>14206373
There was a thread here on /m/ too.

It was more than likely true.

>>14206352

I don't Okada wanted to glorify this under any timeslot, it's one thing to show how bad conflict is, but yet if you have a scene where Shino gets an eavesdrop on how hot that human debris chick and a sex scene it would be actually pretty hypocritical given the nature of the subject

"LOOK AT HOW GIRLS ARE FORCED TO BE PROSTITUTES AND KILLERS! NOW LOOK AT THIS SEX SCENE GLORIFYING/SEXUALIZING IT! WAR IS HELL EVERYBODY!"

>>14205277
>>ibo is shit, mecha fans that hates it are the ones having taste..

fuck you and your shit taste anon, ill take ibo over 00 gay shit.


thunderbolt >> ibo though.

>>14206386
Nah if you want to go full Okada then you have the prostitute is a 12 something young girl who has lost limbs so she can't fight back, beaten to high heaven, can't speak, dead eyes, and emotionless.

There you go. Maybe have it be someone's sister or something.

It happens to one of Biscuit's sisters.

>>14204488
I dunno OP I really enjoyed it.
>Be me
>Haven't watched a gundam show since G/8th MS team
>Have writers block about a story set on Mars
>Friends says "Oh hey anon that new gundam show is supposed to be set on Mars. We should watch it."
>Didn't know the gundam franchise was still going
>After 3 episodes of IBO, I binge watch all the series I've missed
>Get into gunpla
Even if IBO wasn't great outside of the dick throbbing first three episodes it got me back into the franchise as a whole.

Is IBO really Okada's fault though? Since it seems to be the usual criticisms of the director's work, just without it being an adaptation of something.

>>14206407

I was thinking how cross ange handled it.

>>14204488
>Everyone praises the new gundam
Literally who praised IBO?

>>14206386
It could work if you developed the chick and the sex scene happens later on with Shino and her. It'd be interesting to see a prostitutes views on sex change from seeing it as something of a commodity and abuse, to an act of love.

Of course, that'd require a very delicate hand to write.

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>>14206400
I unpretentiously agree to this. Everything about 00, from character designs to storytelling was disappointingly primitive. No matter how flawed IBO was, at least it was far more entertaining. As for Thunderbolt, I don't think it's entirely fair to compare it to the latter two, but yeah, it is quite superior.

>>14206467
Literally everywhere but /m/

>>14204488
>start watching ANY FRANCHISE with the most recent entry
You have only yourself to blame.
>it's Gundam, it's supposed to be good right?'
Said noone ever.

Why am I even responding, I know you're pulling our legs and bits. Yer probabling wanking to the string of responses you've got so far.

>>14204964
You're the meme now, dog.

>>14206492

Of course, you eroticize the hooker's backstory and you have fucked up.

>>14204488
Welcome to Cloverfield.

>>14204525
Such shameless bait.

>>14206610
>No matter how flawed IBO was, at least it was far more entertaining.
The entire space arc disagrees with you, along with the badly done human drama.

>>14206426
Probably 70% Nagai being a retard, 20% Okada writing crap and 10% other factors.

>people wanting shino to rescue a female human debris chick
>shino is literally yaoi fujobait
>most of shino's important scenes are him interacting with a boring yaoi guy
>even his near-death was reacted to the most strongly by said boring yaoi guy

You guys are delusional.

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>>14206610
>character designs

Yeah, what it really needed was more people like these fuckers.

That wouldn't get in the way of it at least trying to tell a vaguely serious story or anything.

>>14207482
Idk I personally laughed my ass off at it which I enjoyed. Same with Hitler-kun's design.

>>14207482
Ugly as they are, they're still more interesting than 00's generic bishounen clones.

>vaguely serious story
If you don't want your 'serious story' ruined by some fun, stick to Gasaraki.

>>14207633
>Ugly as they are, they're still more interesting than 00's generic bishounen clones
I hate to have to agree with that.

>>14207633

Oh, they were fun, and not obnoxious and pointless?

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How old was she supposed to be? She has these characteristics that make her seem kind of retarded or at least extremely young. I guess it's to make her "moe". I know she is sheltered but they go so far with it she becomes unbelievable especially when they also try to drive home she's a capable politician.

>>14207464

Well Shino is Tekkadan's horndog. Only he goes on about how he badly wants some booty and get other guys some booty. And its a good way to show a girl who isnt amused by Naze's harem as a women's shelter act seeing how she dealt with clients like him

>>14206610
>No matter how flawed IBO was, at least it was far more entertaining.
Huh. Funny, that's what I usually say about 00.
My biggest problem with IBO was how it was boring and shallow at the same time. 00 at least was fun to watch for most of it's run. And it had better animation, that helps too,

>>14207971
I think she is 16 or 17. Pretty sure her age appears as on text screen, I just don't remember exactly what it was.
Also initially IBO makes it clear she is not a competent politician, her naivety is made clear severam times. The problem arose when the writing of the show tried to pass she getting better at it after a point, when neither her perception of things nor her reasoning changed, so it all falls flat.

>>14206610
00's designs got simplified between S1 and S2 to reduce model costs or something you see it in AGE aswell with alot of designs lacking in detail.

Story in 00 was fine until they dumbed it down and started ramming old gundam cliches n' asspulls in to please 2chan in S2.

>>14208466
>00's designs got simplified between S1 and S2
>goodbye sumeragi sex hair
I hate that S2 piece of shit so much.

>>14208524
Between them forcing morally dubious CB into a whiter than white role and anyone who opposed them as being massively misguided or blacker than black and the "rainbows fix everything" plot devices i honestly consider the simplified designs to be the least of S2's issues.

>>14208435
Pretty much hit the nail dead on Anon nothing about her changes yet everyone acts like it has.

>>14208466
>to reduce model costs or something

no it was to simplify it for animation. The model kits actually contained more detail than their onscreen counterparts. It was rather weird.

>>14208548
That's actually worse then.

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>>14204488
>everybody praises the new gundam

>>14208466
Season 2 had shitloads of fight scenes and S1's complex designs would have killed the animators.

>>14208551
If I recall correctly the animators complained about the deisngs being too complex and difficult to animate given the small timeframe to do so.

>>14208576
The 80's called and they laughed hard when they heard you call S1's designs complex.

>>14208582
They wern't that much more complex than previous stuff.

>>14208541
>i honestly consider the simplified designs to be the least of S2's issues
They are but the moment you start thinking about S2 and realize that every single aspect of it is a massive downgrade from S1, it just hurts.

>>14208691
That's true. I think the one thing I really appreciate in Season 2 is Ribbons. He is an entertaining villain.

I also like how during 00 they gradually stop giving a fuck and make the robots more and more ridiculous. It was fun seeing something that became relatively grounded going full over the top super robot.

>>14208716
>something that became relatively grounded going full over the top super robot.
Something that startet*[...]

>>14208716
> think the one thing I really appreciate in Season 2 is Ribbons. He is an entertaining villain
There are two things that S2 did well, Setsuna's character development which by some miracle managed to avoid dumbed down decay and Ribbons' portrayal.

>>14207443
>>14204546
>>14204549


IBO got a second season. No series in the Gundam universe got this so far.

>Original Gundam has no second season
>Zeta is not Original Gundam's second season.
>Double Zeta is not Guindam second season. It has a new character so nope.
>CCA has no second season.
>Seed and Destiny are two different shits.
>Gundam 00 is shit. New gundams, therefore not a new season.
>Age is supposed to be three seasons but compiled into one because of ultra low ratings.

IBO is the only one which had the same MC and same exact mobile suit therefore it is second season.

>>14208832

That's a really arbitrary and stupid definition of second season.

>>14208832
Do you really think that IBO's 2nd season will have no new main Gundam?

>>14208857
They'll scrap the Barbatos current appearance at most but the frame will remain the same.

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>>14208609
>They weren't that much more complex than previous stuff.


Every little raised surface, recessed circle, adds up. The forearm on the model kit lineart is completely different from the one in the show

>>14204488
>everyone praises the new Gundam

Bait at its very finest.

If you had spent a day when IBO was airing on /m/ you fucking know this wasn't the case.

>>14204547
Maybe you should have stay there instead of imparting your pleb opinion made based on one single show onto us.

Honestly I've had more success introducing casuals to IBO than I have any other Gundam sadly. The way I see IBO is this: It has a very strong start, especially for people who are bored by convoluted politics. This start is much stronger than a lot of other Gundam series starts, and to me, I felt more captivated by the characters' struggles.

But, it dips down very fast a couple of episodes later into flatness, and its worst crime is just being boring. Very boring. Painfully so. While other Gundams, while I didn't "attach" as strongly at first, at least had a consistent climb up in plot and character development and culminated in a (usually) strong finale.

>>14208943

The biggest difference I can see is the forearms, less severe angles and the official lineart being thicker.

>>14209100
there's also more panel lining details

both are official lineart, one's just "designer's illustration" and the other is "animated illustration"

>>14209079
I agree with this statement.

Although being scarce on mobile suit combat isn't as big of a complaint to some casual as it is to the usual mecha fan which I think is why It's held on a higher regard in other places.

>>14208943
Should have posted Exia vs 00 instead.

theres no point on changing barbatos at all in S2

however, if theres a graze..

>>14209180

There's no point in changing suits when Mika has literally just unlocked true Alaya Vijnana mode with the Barbatos. It'll certainly get a few cosmetic upgrades to reflect new enemies and situations though.

Is the second season of this 12 or another full 24 episodes?
Do people have expectations of what the plot will be like? I honestly though it would be fine just ending in 24 with som more epilogue. Stretching it more feels like quality will decrease way more. Hell I found the dort arc was already stretching it

>>14208857
No because it is the best gundam of all. It can beat Turn A with the fucking dino mace.

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>>14209124
00 is so fuck ugly.

>>14206339
It should be obvious that they don't have the guts to actually go through with it (what with moral guardians and all that shit).

I wonder if the back-pedalling on Naze's harem is part of the original plan or due to some backlash of some sort.

>>14206386
>>14206492
Yeah, it can be done properly. See manga like Yellow Heart where one of the main character is a prostitute. It's certainly possible to show that sort of twisted relationship. That said though, even if they did get a late night time slot, still unlikely for anything too extreme to happen since Bandai still need to get kids to buy gunpla.

>>14206610
As bad as the story for 00 goes, it at least had some pretty good mecha action. I'm of the 's2 is shit' camp, but I'd readily admit that Ribbon vs Setsuna was one of the better boss fights in Gundam. IBO had a weak story AND weak mecha action.

Thunderbolt still the most superior though, since it knows exactly what it is, embraces and indulges in it.

>>14207464
I take it that you aren't familiar with fujo materials then. 'Guy who proclaims to be straight and fucks bitches but later have gay sex as the top anyway' is actually fairly prominent for fujo works.

I'm just watching it now because I've been on deployment over the last half year and why the hell are people saying the space arc is bad? Alright, I'm only on episode nine and there's plenty of time for it to shit the bed, but right now, it's pretty good.

>>14207971
Literally the worst part about the show was Bernstein bear there.

>>14211220

It continues on until like episode 20 and whitewashes terrorism. It gets very repetitive and they even make a detour to go shopping.

>>14211244
Oh.

>>14211244
Well I mean there was other shit. Like workers having a strike (while armed for some fucking reason) and then getting murdered. Also kills off a character.

>>14211244
>episode 20
God, I just realised I had forgotten IBO was 25 episodes. For some reason I remembered it being around 15.

>>14210943
There's only one genuinely good episode in S2 and it's the last one.

>>14210933

Thanks for the rec

>>14210924

It showed that Orga and Naze were different sides on the same coin. Both formed groups that helped bring hope as well sheltered vulnerable members but Orga took it a step further.

>>14210933

We probably won't see a sex dungeon rescue. As I mentioned, as long as it isn't glorifying the trade it is fine. But the moment you introduce the character by having her naked and on a dog collar with leash you have fucked up.

>>14211492
What if its a character we already know? Like one of Biscuit's sisters?

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>>14211499

As I said, if it is depicted sexually on this, it doesn't matter if it's an established character turned to a whore or not. It has failed it showing that cruel aspect of reality in a depressing way.

I will make an comparison, Puru's prostitution past vs FM:DLDS's Margo. One was only briefly show in flashbacks while the other had it's sticky details fleshed out. Mention it offscreen or through a flashback but avoid showing the sex dungeon if your intention was to show how sad her past is.

if not though? Feel free to show her dirty, naked and cock hungry. Like Lise from Muvluv

>>14211530
Yeah that is what I was thinking, show her missing some limbs (maybe some other things that you can't see on the outside), and in a cell. Show how fucking cruel it is on Mars. Have it be really personal for Tekkadan in S2.

wait they have sex dungeons awesome
maybe this show isn't so shit

>>14211562
It doesn't

I don't know how but we got into talking about sex dungeons and how you could use it to show how much of a shithole Mars is without having it be poorly implemented.

>>14211580
>It doesn't
>I don't know how but we got into talking about sex dungeons and how you could use it to show how much of a shithole Mars is without having it be poorly implemented.

Mainly because I thought i wasn't grimdark enough and Shino need a true personal arc like Akihiro. Given how he is Roybea with someone gay for him, the logical conclusion was to have Shino fall in love with a prostitute who got the AV system because the bad guy wanted a battle harem.

>>14211536
No, it has to be willing. She has to be fully dependant on the job, not trapped in a sex dungeon, otherwise that defeats the purpose. So missing organs would be from selling them herself, probably no limbs missing outright but if a few fingers and toes aren't working then it shows that Mars is a place where the economic system was so fucked up you had to do that to survive. Which is the main conflict, not the end of human debris.

If you're going to show it, it CAN show (indirectly) the sex itself, but like others have said it can't be NTR-doujinshi-tier; it has to force the viewer to see it from her point of view, not third-person where they can insert into the man so easily. And it can't linger on it too long. Personally one of the more powerful rape scenes in my opinion was from Now and Then, Here and There. It's an example of sex slavery, not dependence on prostitution, but the first scene where they brought the girl back to the cell was pretty intense. Imagine being forced to come back to that every day or starve to death. That's what I'm getting at.

>>14211622
>Now and Then, Here and There
That really was raw and evocative. Being reminded of it, it makes me wish that one of Naze's harem members had been revealed to have has a similar background to Sara, in that she was a sex slave who murdered the guy who owned her and then fled to take refuge with the space mafia, but that's too big of a wish.

>>14211492
>It showed that Orga and Naze were different sides on the same coin.
Except that there's no point pulling the bullshit about claiming to be his harem in the first place. This is IBO, they're not known for subtlety. This is a series where if they have a point to make, they'd have it made in your face in a lengthy exposition right of the bat.

>>14213008

Come on, a man loves to brag about his conquests. Both of them in the end have a "family" to call their own

>>14213008
Not to mention they used the harem thing to bring in jokes about Atra's fantasies and the romantic aspect died out awkwardly not unlike the harem

>>14213145
Right, a space mafia prince with his own ship has to brag about a fake harem instead of just getting a real one. It's sad you go this far to defend shit writing.

>>14204488
You were supposed to watch a good gundam, not IBO.

Also fuck you for not starting with Gundam 0079, and fuck you for not doing any research before making a thread