Gundam questions.

>>14193109
>What happened to Newtypes being humanity's next evolution or whatever? Even in late UC there are barely any newtypes even though things like Victory and Greco take place a long time later.
Because those fucking idiots used the newtypes to kill other people in war. Going to war usually means they die. Dying means they don't make newtype babies.
In the end, they effectively killed what was going to be the next evolution(If it ever was) with their own hands.

>>14193109
>What happened to Newtypes being humanity's next evolution or whatever? Even in late UC there are barely any newtypes even though things like Victory and Greco take place a long time later.
Actual evolution takes a while.

>How are Mobile Suits not locked after they keep being stolen out of the hangar plenty of times?
Locking up vehicles and machinery is not common practice in militaries. If there's an emergency and you have to spend a minute unlocking the vehicle, it's a minute more with your pants down.

>>14193109
>How is it remotely possible to sneak up on a colony? You'd think a place so vulnerable would have massive security protocols.
This one's easy. You just fly your Zakus right up to the door, type on the giant robot keypad, turn the giant robot handle, and walk right in. It's not like anybody is going to look up and see the Zeon mobile suits marching around.

>How are Mobile Suits not locked after they keep being stolen out of the hangar plenty of times?
According to some faggot that posted here once, the military doesn't lock up training tanks with no ammo, which means they certainly don't lock up top secret prototype machines loaded with a nuclear warhead.

>>14193109
>What happened to Newtypes being humanity's next evolution or whatever? Even in late UC there are barely any newtypes even though things like Victory and Greco take place a long time later.
No one in UC has any fucking idea what Newtypes actually are, a lot of them were just rolling with Deikun's theory that they were some kind of space master race for their own manipulative purposes

>>14193126
Typically military equipment isn't locked so someone can hop in at a moment's notice if shit hits the fan. You don't need locks if you have competent security. Gundam's problem isn't a lack of locks, it's an apparent lack of guards.

>>14193109
>How is it remotely possible to sneak up on a colony? You'd think a place so vulnerable would have massive security protocols.

Space. Read up on it.

>What happened to Newtypes being humanity's next evolution or whatever? Even in late UC there are barely any newtypes even though things like Victory and Greco take place a long time later.

They left the Earth sphere and formed a pan-galactic newtype empire (see the Turn A side materials).

>How do people actually control funnels? Has it ever been shown what actually is required to understand/utilize funnel technology?

Newtypes emit psychowaves which resonate with psycommus and let them control them with their mind.

>How are Mobile Suits not locked after they keep being stolen out of the hangar plenty of times?

Same as in real life.

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>>14193135
>nuclear armed prototype that doesn't officially exist
>typical

>>14193150
>Space. Read up on it.
>durr how do I put sensor on the airlock to tell me when it open????

>>14193150
>Space. Read up on it.

What?

>>14193109
>What happened to Newtypes being humanity's next evolution or whatever? Even in late UC there are barely any newtypes even though things like Victory and Greco take place a long time later.

Deikun's newtypes are a fantasy that don't exist except in 00 as Innovators.

The psychic space people left the Earth sphere for outer space, except for a select few that became the "true" newtypes which are thought entities with no physical bodies. Amuro, Char, and Lalah are the only confirmed ones, and they hang out in a newtype ghost paradise around Jupiter. This was confirmed in Unicorn when they recovered the Sazabi and Nu's cockpits which were empty.

>>14193151
>Gundam militaries
>Competent

>>14193151

> Reading comprehension

>>14193190
Explain how in the fuck that's a "typical" scenario, you shit eating fan-boy fucktard.

>>14193203
See >>14193185, Mr. Angry Pants

>>14193151
I know it isn't the same thing, but none of the jets I work around are ever locked up. The only thing protecting them is the military police that sit around the flightline half the time, the other half the closest thing you have to someone guarding it is the crew chiefs on smoke breaks, and they probably couldn't care less about what happens to the jets so long as they don't have to fix them because of it.

>>14193135
>>14193150
These fucking guys get it. To expand on the space colony thing though:

Think for a moment about how fucking huge space colonies are, they're effectively as big as, if not bigger than, modern cities. We don't protect every single city with a division plus of armed forces, it would be way too expensive to maintain. Plus, it's in space in an age where radar is useless, they only have so many options available to them when they can't reliably detect if a threat is approaching at all.

Plus, we have the benefit of seeing everything in hindsight in a franchise where the audience expects huge robot fighting inside of space colonies. In UC, they had the expectation that since so many rules were violated and so many people died when space colonies were destroyed en masse in the opening salvos of the One Year War, that following military leaders would respect the treaties and understand how delicate space colonies are. Of course, given how corrupt and insane all of the respective leaderships are, this doesn't happen, and colonies get gassed, dropped and invaded repeatedly.

>>14193124
>Locking up vehicles and machinery is not common practice in militaries. If there's an emergency and you have to spend a minute unlocking the vehicle, it's a minute more with your pants down.

Just once, I'd like to see a Gundam series do a scene that addresses this just to finally shut the argument up.

Some upstart faction that's never been in a war before gets attacked, and because they decided to go the 'let's put locks on this shit so it doesn't get stolen' route, their hangar gets destroyed before anyone can even launch because of the time spent getting shit open.

It'd be a throwaway moment, but for all the times people have commented on this, it'd be rewarding as Hell.

It's turned into /m/'s 'Why not just have the eagles take the ring?'

>>14193109
By either minovsky particle thick areas, or keeping your heat signatures down. Basically, unless you get an energy signature from the reactor or heat: you need people to spot it visually.

Evolution is slow unless you're a designer child or are the result of a selective dog breeding process. Lots of inbreeding for the latter.

In theory, minovsky particles can carry a charge over long distances and humans seem to have adapted something similar to sonar using said particles. The rest is over developing that sense until you can read minds by picking up other peoples signals or clearly make out what's pinging fast. If you noticed that in stressful situations in minovsky sense areas that there are lots of people start possessing newtype abilities. So, use it or lose it.

Do jet fighters even have ignition keys? They just want to be able to sortie the units with whoever needs them. Mobile suits are disposable and losing the keys leaves you without a unit for awhile or for good. Those are seriously the only reasons that I can think of. Also, multiple OS development might sound like an unnecessary cost and waste of development time to a corporation.

>>14193203

He never said a nuclear loaded weapon was typical, only that typical weapons weren't and that the failure was in the surrounding security, not the lack of locks. The word typical was only applied to current weapons.

>>14193124
>Locking up vehicles and machinery is not common practice in militaries. If there's an emergency and you have to spend a minute unlocking the vehicle, it's a minute more with your pants down.

Security on bases IRL is already so that they only really look at people coming in/out, once you're in everything's unlocked and open.

I mean, some fucker waltzed into the barracks and stole my PSP from my locker and they never caught the son of a bitch.

>>14193151
If the US government can get away with stashing nuclear warheads in an unlocked storage shed for years...

They could just put a password on the mech that pilots are required to memorize.

>G-Reco
>UC

It takes place well after Turn-A, you stupid Turnfag powerlevels shitter.

As to there not being many Newtypes in Victory, there really aren't that many Newtypes in UC, period.

>>14193447

> emergency attack
> pilot's scramble to put butts in seats
> adrenaline is flowing
> pilot can't remember password
> has to call tech support

Or they could just use competent guards to secure it. Which works.

>>14193834

What does the first part of that have to do with anything?

>>14193880
OP's phrasing suggests Reco and Victory happen relatively close together.

Reco takes place after Turn-A and Turn-A is pretty clear that Newtypes have ditched the solar system.

>>14193955

No, it doesn't. Also Turn-A doesn't suggest anything to do with newtypes and the information that they've left by Turn-A is (a) only from side materials, never coming up in the show itself and (b) contradictory to G-Reco being later were it true that they all left on converted colonies, since Turn-A has no colonies, while G-Reco mentions some.

>>14193991
>Turn-A has no colonies, while G-Reco mentions some.
Ja ja, I suppose 500 years would be too long for colonies to be built.

>>14193834

>believing, shiggy, etc, current year, maymay

Is it even fair to point to 0083 when you talk about Gundamjacking?

Because I'm pretty sure everyone realizes 0083 was retarded.

>>14194001

Of course it wouldn't, but if you're going to take Turn-A and the explanation that all the colonies were converted and left as read then G-Reco having some seems to run against it. You don't need to though, because it's never even hinted at in show and only said in side material of dubious canon.

>>14193880
>Which works.
It's literally never worked

>>14193109
>What happened to Newtypes being humanity's next evolution or whatever? Even in late UC there are barely any newtypes even though things like Victory and Greco take place a long time later.
Seems like actual Newtypes need to be put in danger a few times before their powers activate. Probably why the Feds field kids in Gundam Thunderbolt.

>not having the Gundam be biometrically locked to the pilot and lead designer.

What are they gonna do, hack the pilot's arm off and take it in the cockpit with them?

>>14194040
It's never been tried with competent guards though. Plus we're only shown the successes, who knows how many fail off screen?

>>14194040

It works in real life anon, not in anime. So the change necessary if you're going to ask for a realistic one isn't locks of any kind, but competent guards. That said, 00 had bio-metric locks and voice prints if I recall, since only a given Meister was supposed to be able to use the Celestial Being suits. The Thrones presumably didn't, so Ali could steal one, but the normal Gundams did. I think the Knightmare Frames in Code Geass have some kind of lock too.

>>14194057
KMF have a USB key and a password.

>>14194057
Unicorn has a biometric lock.
Gundam X has its joystick.

Ribbons was in charge of both the Thrones and Ali then, so any locks could've been overridden by him.

In Turn A, how in the hell did the old UC mobile suits survive buried deep underground for as long as they did? Nanomachines, sure, but the Deep South isn't really geologically sound. Those Zakus, Kapools, and Nukes would've realistically been crushed by subtle tectonic movements and shit, especially within the span of 3,000 years.

>>14194051
Then you'd best be prepared to keep those two under lock and key, cause if something happens to 'em, that means that Gundam is worth fuck-all to you on short notice until you can get it set up with someone new.

>>14194413
>you weren't secretly cloning the pilot just in case he dies or you need one more "loyal" to you

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>using pilots
>not creating an AI army specifically so that you have a military that follows your orders unquestioningly with absolute loyalty, and disguise it under the pretense of keeping soldiers safe

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>>14194984
WHAT
COULD
GO
WRONG

>>14194966
>not setting up the situation specifically to rely on a teenage boy savior to appear at the last second and have the MS work miraculously to save the day

>>14195037

Nothing went wrong in Wing, because AI can't just suddenly become sentient or go beyond the limits of its programming.

The problem was it all went right, and OZ had an army that listened to no one but them.

What is the best gundam series to start with?

>>14195584
0079 cause it's really good

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>>14195584
0079 because it's what started it all, and >>14195621 to boot.

Catalog has the Gundam production list thingy, go get that too.

>>14195631
What's the Gundam that appears somewhat plainly painted: second row from the top, far left? 02 on the shoulder. I had that thing as my first model 20 years ago....

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>>14195666
Zeta Plus C1.

>>14193126
>According to some faggot that posted here once, the military doesn't lock up training tanks with no ammo, which means they certainly don't lock up top secret prototype machines loaded with a nuclear warhead.
>>14193126

you're fucking stupid

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Thanks guy. Even found the grade I had.

>>14195584

0079, but if you were born in the US then odds are you saw Wing first anyway.

>>14195899
The only gundam I've really seen is seed.
And when you say 0079 that's the very first one right?

>>14195914
Yes, as in just Mobile Suit Gundam.

>>14195914
>The only gundam I've really seen is seed.
Good news: it only gets better from there ha-chacha

>>14195921
Thanks.
Any I should try to avoid?

>>14195928
Don't think about that, just form your own opinions as you go.

Only advice I'd have is to take a break after Zeta Gundam before starting Double Zeta. The mood whiplash can be pretty big.

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Oh yeah also pick up [EG] releases where possible, as they're usually the best quality.

>>14195935
Side note: Go in production order, chronological is shit and will not feel right due to the anachronisms and cluttering of timeframes that happens. So between Zeta and ZZ, don't watch 0083 (Stardust Memories). If a side entry from way later looks absolutely irresistible, make sure there are no direct prequels at the very least, although I'll warn you that production order builds on the themes of previous works, so chronological feels a little strange. Not to mention the animation changes.

>>14195972

And as for AU, just do whatever. There will be some in-jokes you might not get in Turn A if you didn't watch G and Wing, but otherwise it doesn't matter.

>>14195939
>G
>Future Colony

It's Future Century

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>You managed to work past your crippling self doubt to pilot the Gundam, congratulations Amuro Ray!

Why did Tomino have to rip this scene off from Hideki Anno?

>>14194057
>The Thrones presumably didn't, so Ali could steal one

False. If you'll recall, right after Ali killed Michael and Johann and Nena retreated to their Gundams, they were surprised when Ali came at them with Michael's Throne. If the Thrones didn't have locks, why would they be shocked that he didn't come up with his Enact instead?

>>14196051
It's actually Fight Century. Or Fist Century in the English dub

>>14193109
>What happened to Newtypes being humanity's next evolution or whatever? Even in late UC there are barely any newtypes even though things like Victory and Greco take place a long time later.
Tomino didnt feel the need to use them in the plot so much since he felt he had finished with them after CCA
Also Judau has a colony with millions of newtypes in it shortly after V gundam
>How do people actually control funnels? Has it ever been shown what actually is required to understand/utilize funnel technology?
Psycommu technology uses psychowaves produced by newtypes to communicate with funnels
In SEED and 00 they just use computers to control the patterns
>How are Mobile Suits not locked after they keep being stolen out of the hangar plenty of times?
Plot

>>14193272

Did he actually waltz?

>>14199229
>some fucker waltzed into the barracks
Can't you read anon? Clearly, he did in fact waltz.

>>14193109
>What happened to Newtypes being humanity's next evolution or whatever? Even in late UC there are barely any newtypes even though things like Victory and Greco take place a long time later.
A false belief. The people in UC invest their beliefs in the coming of the newtype and believe that if humans evolve into newtypes everything will change for the better.

But nothing changes and by Turn A humanity has basically self-detonated several times. The newtypes that never came are an allegory for humanity's inability to change.

Which Gundam protagonist is the most autistic? I thought Kamille clenched it, but Heero is pretty out there too.

Which one is the least autistic?

>>14201350
Kamille's the exact opposite of autistic.
Motherfucker's hypersensitive at the start of the series and picks up on the littlest shit in people's attitudes.

If you want cloesr to textbook autism you're looking closer to someone like Setsuna or Mika.

>>14201350

Setsuna for most autistic, Loran for least.

>>14193236

A better solution is to just confine Katz to the brig every time there is a battle. Better yet, leave him on Earth.

>>14196174

Because they figured he would use his more familiar MS instead of wrecking them with one he's just stolen. Also the Throne Meisters were idiots.

>>14193109
>How are Mobile Suits not locked after they keep being stolen out of the hangar plenty of times?

Why didn't the imperial officer at the start of Star Wars shoot down the escape pod ? Because otherwise we'd have no film *omer simpson doh*.
Same logic applies to Gundam. You need a Gundam to start the show. If you keep them all locked down then what ? No Gundam show for you.

>>14201416
>No Gundam show for you.
Only if the show absolutely has to have some scrub jacking it. A lot of series have the Gundam start and stay with the appropriate pilot trained for it.

>>14201350
Mikazuki, he actually shows sings of autism even in his flashbacks as a kid, most AU protags had a clear reason for being weirdos, he didn't

>>14201416
This is more of a problem relating to Zeta gundam.

Where characters just jump in a mobile suit's cockpit without authorization on multiple occasions and no precautions have been shown to be made.

>>14203184

Mikazuki has better reason than most (Setsuna and maybe Uso excluded) what with the whole child soldier thing. Even as a kid he was still obviously poor and living within that world, given that he had a gun and was able to, and okay with shooting someone.

>>14193109
M I N O V S K Y P A R T I C L E S

>>14193151
They've left bunkers with fucking nukes unlocked before, anon.

>>14194036
0083 was also an ALL ACCORDING TO KEIKAKU situation, but honestly I can see exactly that situation happening. Well, aside from the "load the nuke into the thing the night BEFORE testing and then don't leave guards to watch it no matter what happens" bit, of course.

>>14194057
The Thrones did have biometric locks, but Ali was able to steal the Zwei because Veda had been hacked.

>>14201350

Heero isn't autistic, he's just shellshocked. He was a perfectly normal emotional boy before THAT LITTLE GIRL AND HER DOG.

>>14203065
>A lot of series have the Gundam start and stay with the appropriate pilot trained for it.

Not as many as you'd think.
On a quick count I show CCA, 0080, 08th MS Team, G Gundam, Gundam Wing, SEED Destiny, 00, and Thunderbolt

Of that list above, G is a whole different set of circumstances than just about any other Gundam, Wing and 00 are both cases where the pilots were specially picked by a shadowy secret organization and most official military groups sure as Hell wouldn't pick these pilots. In the case of 0080, Chris is only the test pilot, and honestly, it's Bernie and Al's story first and foremost anyway, so she's kind of a disingenuous example here.
and meanwhile, CCA is itself expanding on the story of a pilot who himself previously fell into the Gundam pilot role anyway, so that's more half-credit here.

From there, it goes into varying degrees of 'plot convenience', ranging from your classic 'hop in and pilot or die' to 'well, this thing needs a pilot - you'll do!'