Is Kuuga a piece of shit? Or Am I the one who is a faggot? Am

So this is what this board has come to, huh.

>>14186739
Kamen Rider Kuuga is perhaps my favorite piece of media to ever exist. Everything from the cinematography, to the attention to detail enraptured me. There's just something about a man who's dedicated to protecting everyone's smiles that I find to be absolutely beautiful.

After Kamen Rider had been gone for 11 years, Godai Yusuke slapped on the Arcle and became the Kamen Rider of the modern age, facing things unlike most Riders have ever before, and doing so all alone. Even from the very first Kamen Rider, there has always been an ally Rider by the main Rider's side, but against the Gurongi Tribe, Kuuga fought all his battles alone.

And they were a fierce group of enemies, killing civilians left and right, thousands upon thousands dying in their games. And very horrible, graphic deaths at that.

But even with the odds stacked against him, Godai perseveres, at the risk of his very own soul as the thing that gives him power is also the thing that made his enemies into what they are.

Kuuga is a horror, a comedy, a slice of life and mystery all rolled into one with action tying it all together.

It is not just my favorite Kamen Rider, it's one of my favorite things ever.

>>14186739

You're not a faggot for not liking X. You are a faggot for not giving any kind of reason for why and then starting a thread with an inflammatory first post to say so.

>>14186781
Nah, not really.

>>14186762
Hmmm. interesting. IMO Kugga is the worst thing I have watched so far. And I think Godai being the only rider made it more boring for me (it doesn't help that I didn't like Godai, I only liked Ichijou of the whole serie).

>>14186781
Sorry if it really looked so bad :/ I didn't intend to look like a flammer

>>14186762
>Kuuga fought all his battles alone.

Except for Ichijou. And the other members of the police.

>facing things unlike most Riders have ever before

Mass murdering mutants who explode when you kick them hard enough. Pretty sure the franchise has had those before.

>>14186808
>:/

>>14186739
I wouldnt call it "piece of shit". It has great writing, but is either mediochre or shit at everything else.

It IS overrated as fuck though, since people here watch kids toy commercials for the WRITING, but it's not bad.

>>14186808
This is what happens when you watch out of release order. Kuuga does a good job setting the standard for early heisei rider. There's also the fact that you just watched 10 shows with very similar elements, you're bound to get tired of the formula sooner or later.

>>14186857
You say that like as if though kids toy commercials don't commonly have at least decent writing

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>>14186864
I don't think so. Kuuga was the third Kamen Rider serie I watched, and I actually hate it. The last I finished was W and I enjoyed it a lot, cool stuff (even it wasn't as great as Blade, Kiva or Fourze).

>>14186739
You just have shit taste, no two ways about it. Kuuga is the best Kamen Rider series and the only one that could actually be considered real cinematography.

>>14186912
>Kiva
>great at anything other than dropping the ball

>>14186923
>Cinematography

Seeing that it isn't a film in the first place or the photographic composition of a film itself, you really wouldn't consider it that. In any way.

Not liking Kuuga honestly says more about you than about the show.

>>14186923
Then cinetography is overrated as fuck. I usually don't like most of the films I watch tho. And if Kuuga is the best this franchise would be the most boring thing ever for me.

>>14186924
Best love story. One of the best stories of the franchise. One of the cooles final forms. The serie that uses the best insert songs. Ever. Everythin. And Otoya is one of the best fucking characters of the franchise.

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>>14186947

How many Rider shows even go for above story? I don't know that I think anu of them pull it of well enough to deserve being called best, but Kiva certainly ain't the one I'd choose. OOO, maybe? Can't say I like its final forms either. Then again, I think Kiva Emperor and Ixa Rising ruin their respective suits and hate all of Kiva's upgrades. Kiva has a great first episode and setup too (possibly the best in the franchise), but its actual story is horrible in my opinion. Otoya drops the ball part way in when he suddenly changes his affections to the Queen for no real reason. It drops all the good will his character built up.

>>14186947
Yeah, Kiva was super original. Faiz already did the protagonist being the same as the monsters hes killing thing years back. Takumi being an oprphenoch was a way better reveal than Wataru being a fangire.

>>14186979
OOO... Great story... There's something there I don't understand. OOO has only a bit more story than W, but not enough to be praised for it (one of the worst KR I have already finished in my opinion).

>>14186980
Original isn't the same as good. Yeah, Takkun revel was better but Wataru > Takkun, and Wataru's was put much better there.

>>14187008

I was speaking specifically about it's love story and I didn't praise it - only said that if I had to pick any Rider show to have the best one, it might be that but that none of them were really deserving of it to me.

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>>14187008
Kiva also wasted Rina Koike's character..Give her more screen time!

>>14186739
Kuuga is the best Heisei era show, with Agito and Double following very close. It IS you who is a faggot.

>>14187044
It's they other way around.
She, and Wataru didn't have time for Kiva.

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>>14187035
But what about this?

>>14187070
Y really liked Agito. It's like Kuuga... But being good, really good. Good characters overall, nice and insteresting story, good paced... The opposite of Kuuga.

>>14186808
It's quite obvious from your posting style that you need to lurk more.

Can anyone remind me what's the Kuuga episode where he does the rider kick that makes a 300km diameter explosion? I stopped watching at that episode and want to finish it

>>14188516
Are you thinking of the first use of Rising Mighty's finisher? That might be in the late 20s.

>>14188516

None - it's essentially a meme built on calculations done by an /m/ poster and passed around on /m/ via a demotivator since some people liked the thought. It was only ever done as a thought exercise though, and the show makes it clear it's the belt that does a large part of the explosion.

>>14186912
Kiva was great. And Blade is a masterpiece. fourze is really good.

Blade > Gaim > Kiva > Fourze > Agito > Drive > W > Ryuki > Faiz > Amazon > OOO > Den-O > Wizard > Black > Kuuga.

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>Literally nobody dislikes your favorite show
This is a nice feel.

>>14188935
I know that feel fellow Agitobro.

>>14186933
Dude, the term cinematography works for TV shows too. It's not exclusive to films.

>>14188908
While I can see what would make you think like that I'd personally rate everything I've watched so far as:

Agito > W > Kuuga > Drive > Blade > Gaim > Kabuto > Fourze > Decade > Ryuki > OOOs > Faiz > Den-O > Wizard > Kiva

For showa and older KR series I'd rate it

RX > Black > Stronger > Amazon > Super-1 > Original > X > V3

These however have a heavy hand of nostalgia goggles applied to it so I wouldnt really bother thinking too much about it.

>>14188908
>>14189016
Only the ones I watched:

Kuuga > Drive > Agito > W > Ghost > Ryuki > Gaim > Kabuto > Faiz > Fourze > Den-O > OOO > Wizard

>>14189008
English probably isn't his first language.

>>14189008
So you like Kuuga's cinematography then? I thought the shit video format killed it myself, though some night scenes look pretty good.to a better format made a world of difference.

>>14189142
>Agito switching to a better format made a world of difference

Sorry, deleted that by mistake.

>>14186968
>report this thread for being about an opinion I don't like
Just when you think the faggotry of tokufags has reached a plateau.

>>14189008
>Dude, the term cinematography works for TV shows too. It's not exclusive to films.
He was replying to
>>14186923
who said
>the only one that could actually be considered real cinematography
and clearly is using the term as some kind of artistic distinction.

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Agito's story is a complete mess. The action choreography is a huge downgrade. The other two riders are useless. The comedy falls flat. Speaking of flat, so are the characters. The form switching is just a toy gimmick rather than being meaningful or relevant to the story. The conclusion of the series is just downright terrible. The cinematography is lacking. It's full of Inoue's trademark flaws.

It's a Kuuga copy-cat series but fails to live up to the impact and quality of the original. It never manages to create the tension of mystery, explore its characters or even resolve its plotlines. That said, it's one of my favorite rider series but totally pales in comparison to Kuuga, which was a landmark series that not only managed to revive the dying Kamen Rider series but also managed to be wholly unique and breath new life into what it means to be a Kamen Rider.

>>14189165
You cannot read.
>>14186933
Said that it can't be cinematography because
>it isn't a film
It's time for you to stop posting.

>>14189188
It can HAVE cinematography as a quality, but it can't BE cinematography. It's amusing to be told that I can't read by someone who can't into basic grammar.

>>14189184
>The form switching is just a toy gimmick rather than being meaningful or relevant to the story
>Implying it was any better in Kuuga
Everything else I will let slide on "opinions" but form changes were always shitty gimmicks that add nothing right from Black RX.

>>14186757
idk but I can tell you Yuugi there isn't

>>14189184
If Agito is a bad serie then Kuuga is all tbe evil in this world. Agito is godly improved version of Kuuga.

>>14189106
Isn't mine either. I work in the industry, so maybe it is not a fair comparison thou.

>>14189142
It has been too long since I watched it, couldn't really comment. I don't remember having a problem with it, however.

>I thought the shit video format killed it myself
This is true, I agree.

>>14189261
>>14189188
I reread >>14186923 and you're kind of right, I just assumed he meant "the only one that can be considered to have good choreography".

Chill out anons

So if I think Agito is fuckin dope would Kuuga be a downgrade?

>>14189184
Hi Des Shinta

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>>14186739
>Is Kuuga a piece of shit? Or Am I the one who is a faggot? Am I the only one who think Kuuga sucks? Anonymous 05/02/16(Mon)17:30:59 No.14186739▶>>14186762 >>14186781 >>14186857 >>14186923 >>14187070
>Is Kuuga a piece of shit?

No.

>Or Am I the one who is a faggot?

I don't know about your sexual orientation, but your taste is certainly questionable.

>Am I the only one who thinks Kuuga sucks?

Probably not, but you're in the minority.

>I have watched 10 Kamen Rider series so far

Which ones? Kinda irrelevant anyway.

>and I am watching Black currently (I can watch it without dying of boredoom).

Well, clearly your taste isn't 100% questionable, then.

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>>14186762
>Kamen Rider Kuuga is perhaps my favorite piece of media to ever exist.

Now that's going a little far.

>>14190251
Nice job

>>14190257
>responding to an obvious pasta, even jokingly

>>14190141
I love both of them. Agito was one of my first and even my nostalgia goggle prevent me from liking it more than Kuuga. Hoenestly tho I liked Kuuga more.

>>14186739
Most likely you dislike it because it feels very old and I don't blame you, that's one of the reasons that I haven't continue it

>>14186739
>Or Am I the one who is a faggot?
I'm afraid so, m8. Cheer up, modern entertainment favours homosexuals, you don't have to force yourself to watch manly shows for manly men.

>>14191783
>watching a show for 8 year olds makes a manly man because it's dated
You can't make this shit up.

>>14193378
Hey newfag

>>14186739
>Is Kuuga a piece of shit?
It's not complete shit, but also faw away from being good.
>Am I the one who is a faggot?
Yes.
>Am I the only one who think Kuuga sucks?
No.

>>14193473
>No.
Yes you are, you samefagging troll.

>>14186898
Not really, if anything, i'm agreeing with you.

>>14190251
>Which ones? Kinda irrelevant anyway
Kuuga, Agito, Faiz, Blade, Kiva, W, OOO, Fourze, Gaim and Drive.

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>>14186947
>Best Love Story
Nah
https://youtu.be/BFLEqyVSUfo?t=19m15s

I cared more about this scene than all of Kiva.

>>14187008
Takumi was at least relatable. He wasn't this creepy manchild raised by a cg bat in a derelict mansion.

>>14195390
Not that anon but Blade is terrible at every level. Japan remember it only for the memes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLMTCcKlhro

>>14186947
They had the best love story and then they shat on it for the second half of the show.

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>>14195444
I don't know why but I find the horrible parts of Blade endearing but I can't stand any part of Kiva outside of the Showa parts.

>>14186739
Who is that bitch and how is she related to Kuuga

>>14195444
Blade's final act was top tier, though. It still has one of the best ending, hell it's the best rider ending for me

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>>14195444
>Blade is terrible at every level

Kiva is supperior to everyone of the showa era series. Best Toshiki Inoue work.

Yeah but that's because you idiots fucking hate Showa, ISN'T IT?

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>>14195444
>Blade
>Terrible

what

>>14195581
At that point, Toei already fired the original staff

>>14197541
By far. Kiva is one of the greatest Kamen Rider out there but a lot of people just were confused and couldn't follow up the plot.

>>14195477
No, they didn't. In fact, they only made it better. Prove me wrong.

>>14191783
So, now manly = boring, no story and plain characters?

>>14198886
People can't stand heavy plot series with poor action (Kiva's fight aren't good, only a few are a bit memorable like the ending itself). I pity them~

>>14198886

The plot was the least of people's problems with Kiva. Saying it is and that they were just confused and couldn't keep up is ignoring that most people's complaints are about the heavy melodrama and characterization.

>>14198950
>Kiva
>heavy plot

>>14198918
The only even remotely acceptable scene in the entire second half was the last one in the rain.

I actually felt myself physically gagging during those retarded violin making scenes that would get justifiably and rightfully blasted with a flood of cuckposting if Kiva aired today.

>>14199010
Found the retard.

>>14198998
>people who don't understand Kiva or gets influenced by shitposting

>>14199010
>Retarded violin making scenes
>Not seeing it was the development of Maya and Otoya's relationship.

Yeah, sure. Ridiculous, they literally shared the same soul doing the violin together and it symbolizes their fate together. A lot of people just went and watched Kiva without paying even the slighest attention to details, eh?

But yeah, retarded. Whatever you say.

>>14198998
I think he's comparing it to other rider shows. Compared with other shows Kiva is much more plot-focused.

>>14198968
So they do complain about actual realistic drama and having characterization? Wow, that's new.

Problem is characterization in Kiva is developed in a very subtle way.

>>14198968
The only problem with Kiva is a how much problematic is Castle Dorian time travel and that Kiva didn't get anyspin-off to expand its cool lore. Kiva is the only Kamen Rider serie that has a deep lore.

>>14199063
>actual realistic drama

Like the most realistic of all plot devices, completely arbitrary amnesia.

>>14199074
Yeah because that was SO much relevant to the plot and didn't actually last only two episodes and served to introduce us to Maya's character.

Are you retarded? Otoya knew Maya from before and without arbitrary amnesia.

>>14199069

Hibiki had pretty good lore too.

>>14199095
Well... I don't know what should I say here because I'm still waiting for new subs for Hibiki.

>>14199108
>Waiting for new subs
>Not watching it RAW

u wot m8

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>>14199112
I still don't know enough japanese dude.

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>>14199121
Learn it for her

>>14199108

Does it need them? It's been years since I saw it and I don't recall any complaints about the subs being particular bad like Blade.

>>14199054
>Compared with other shows Kiva is much more plot-focused.
It isn't.

>>14199155
How is Kiva less plot-focused than shows like Den-O, Kuuga W or Kabuto to begin with? (Not saying it's better, my favorite Kamen Rider is character-driven)

>>14195353
>knight doesn't drop his halberd and walk away from Kuuga while giving a thumbs-up
C'mon.
Also is it just me or does the crown in the last panel have five "horns"? Oh. Oh no.

>>14195516
Kiva's flashback parts weren't in the Showa era, they were off by a few years.

>>14199711
That's wrong. The flashbacks occurred in the years 86 - 87, the Showa era ended in early 89.

>>14186739

Kuuga is definitely the Rider show I consider the best out of what I've watched. I'll admit it's pretty slow-paced and can be tough to get into at the beginning - I think I was 12 episodes in or something and really finding it a slog. After a break from it in which I watched a bunch of other shows, I went back and tried to power through and found a whole new appreciation for it. The characters are excellent, the fights have impact and aren't thrown in for the sake of a fight scene, there's tons of great shots, and so on...
It's the scene that everyone knows but I think if you look at the ep with the Porcupine Grongi after watching Godai be the nicest man on the planet for 30-odd episodes, you can't not think Kuuga is a great show. That's one of the things Kuuga does incredibly well that a lot of other shows don't: it does an excellent job of building things up. By the time we were hurtling towards the endgame I couldn't wait to see how things ended up, and I wasn't disappointed. The final battle with N-Daguva-Zeba is probably my favourite fight in all of KR
Add to this that it has a fucking dope theme song and generally great music throughout and you have an absolute peach of a series
I don't think you're a faggot if you don't like it, OP, but I do feel sad that you're unable to enjoy something I think so highly of

>>14200575
>It's pretty slow-paced and can be tough to get into at the beginning
I don't think so. There isn't any "pace" in Kuuga, it's only monster of the two weeks with no story. After episode 10 you start to get really tired of it.

>The characters are excellent
No, only Ichijou is great. The rest of the cast is plain or a just irrelevent and annoying. Godai isn't any special, he's just "a nice guy" (and I can't stand him)

>the fights have impact
Half of the, and more can be skipped, they mean from zero to nothing.

>building things up
... Building nothing? There's no story, no character developmemt... It just builds up the terror of the people a bit and how police does things.

>the final battle with N-Daguva-Zeba os probably my favourite fighr in all KR
Wow. I found it disappointing. Worst final battle I've seen in media so far.

>fucking dope theme song
Ok, the opening spng is great, the rest no.

Well, I give Kuuga a 0,000000000000000000001/10. Worst tging I have wathced so far. Worse than BlazBlue Alter Memory, Madoka Magica, Aku no Hana anime, Black Butler, Tsukihime anime, Road to Hell Retribution, Clamnad and just everything.

Kamen Rider Kuuga is Kamen Rider for adults. This is part of the reason it was so popular after Kamen Rider had died off for a while. It revived the franchise with a new outlook.

I'm not even memeing. Take a look at some of these Japanese discussions about what its intended demographic is

>仮面ライダークウガ大人向け
>大人向けの仮面ライダーやったな
http://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa/question_detail/q12106850852
http://hero-news.com/archives/1026182822.html
http://www.matome-tf.com/archives/1006511798.html

OP is a child

>>14200654
Indeed it is the only good thing of kuuga: It revived the franchise and made Gaku Sano to be a Kamen Rider when he was a child.

>>14200649

I think you're just baiting at this point, and badly

>>14200666
No, I'm just being honest.

>>14200684
Don't forget stupid

>>14200685
Is it stupid being honest and explaning my point?

>>14200690

All you've done is make subjective statements, what have you explained
I mean so have people who are arguing FOR Kuuga, but let's not act like you've somehow made some great arguments or something

>>14200697
No, I just used his argumment as a mean to explain mine, because I found it totally opposite to my opinion.

>>14200700

An opinion isn't an argument mate

>>14200702
Maybe, but in my lenguage an argument it's explaining my something like my opinion (or not, because the argument sounds identical to the word I use in my lenguage)

>>14200666
Wasn't sure seeing the OP but after reading all his posts I can tell you he's not baiting. He really thinks that.

Source: I know the OP and I've met him in person quite some times.

>>14186739
For nearly a decade people have said that the show is slow/boring, and for nearly a decade people have harassed anyone with an opinion that's not "it's great". It's never been something that's not caused major butthurt shitstorms.

Personally, I think new "super definition's" quality makes up for any of the slownesses or boringnesses.... though then again, that might be because I've seen the old quality through and got into the series pre-Decade.