Macross Delta

>>14186502

I want to kiss Bogue until he relents.

>>14186502
I couldn't care fucking less.

>>14186502
I wonder if they were so tough if they encountered some rouge zentrandi fleet instead of humanity first

>>14186542

You could actually. You could care little enough to tell anyone that you don't care. I'm not saying you do care about the show, but you care that people know you don't care. Which is a positive amount, however slight.

>>14186502

> many

It was 3. That's hardly many.

>>14186553
Informing someone you don't care about their thing is pretty backhanded, the only effort you are giving them is rubbing your neurons together to form a sentence.

>>14186550
They'd just get var'd

>>14186556
30 years is a pretty long time considering their lifespan also

>>14186212
>So what's the difference from the Durandal? I don't see any tech readouts on the Percival.

>>14186572

Yes, which is less than zero. So he could care less. And which was my only point.

>>14186576

They said many decades though. They didn't put it in terms if years or generations, but decades. And 3 isn't many regardless of your lifespan. Even then, it's still only one generation really.

>>14186502
bottom screen looks like babby's first anime wallpaper shoop.
i'm having flashbacks of 2004, here.

it's like they don't even give a shit that the textures and rendering style on the cgi valks clashes completely with the anime background.

>>14186626

Why would they? It's like complaining about cheap special effects. Everyone knows they could do better - most people don't care. And the staff are fine with the inconsistency if it allows production even if it's not their preference.

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>>14186626
Well I mean, it's not an actual screen, it's like a smoke thing in the middle of the sky

>>14186612
>mass production model
>using YF designation
He's an idiot.

>>14186637
It still looks like an 80's toy commercial because of the realistically textured models in front of an anime dude with only one level of shading.
>>14186633
So you're saying it's okay for it to look like shit because the animators are knowingly just shitting it out for people who don't care?
I don't even know how to respond to that.
I think I'm just going to move on to another thread now.

>>14186703
>muh shading
Otaking go back to not knowing how to draw please.

>>14186703
>I came to this thread just to shitpost
At least you're honest.

>>14186703

Is it okay for something to have a budget and stick to it despite the wishes of individuals involved, especially when most people won't care? Why yes, yes it is.

Do most people care? Well you're the only one I've seen complain so I'd day they don't.

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He's the equivalent of a 99 year old human grandpa and still kicking ass.

>>14186783

He's also had one of his runes ripped off. Which seems to be equivalent to losing a testicle.

>>14186783

He has a bit of cauliflower ear going on there too.

>>14186502
I got the feeling Freyja is sorta of like Minmay. Not really in love with the Protag but just wants to spread around culture.

So they call their own galaxy the Brisingr galaxy, and ours the globular galaxy? Does this mean the Protoculture spanned multiple galaxies if species like the Ragnarians are Protoculture seeds? Which would mean that the Zentradi had to be too. And the Vajra too maybe? Is there only one colony/Queen per galaxy maybe?

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>>14186823
I don't see that happening.

Remember "if my rune shines with a flash WOWWOW WOWOWOW, I fall in love"

>>14186872

does that mean borgue is crushin' on freyja?

>>14186872

She's also spreading her excitement via her rune, so the reason Hayate funds flying with her so nice when she's singing is he's literally sharing her joy.

>>14186881
Maybe

Actually I think the runes have different colors, like how Freyja's turned blue. Bogue's was red which meant I though he was angry

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Yeah, this is nice

>>14186896

Do girls only have one rune, to boy's two? Or is Freyja hiding another one, like Bogue was?

>>14186550
then they become the mardook of macross 2

>>14186896
>long hair

absolutely disgusting.

>>14186906

pretry sure only one.

>>14186906
Girls one, boys two. We see some girls in this episode even and in the manga released

>>14186921

That must be emasculating for Master Helmann. Or would have been when it happened I guess, since he seems over it now, displaying his ripped off rune openly.

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AND WE

>>14187154

is that the fabled robotechx?

>Lol!

they're...they're laughing

>>14186925

maybe he's actually a woman

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>>14187154
It gets worse.

>>14187182
isn't the basic macross theme "the power of uta"?

After watching this episode, I'm more convinced than ever that most of Windermere's claims boil down to
>The Protoculture relics were on our planet!
>Get out filthy humies!
>Lebensraum!

>>14187259
Yes.
Most western Macross fans are just retarded.

>>14186612
>>14186641
And unfortunately he's right. The YF-29B Percival is indeed a production model.

>>14187259
>implying he's talking about Super Dimensional Fortress: Macross
It's Harmony Gold's Robotech: Macross Arc. Don't confuse your idolshit with my manime.

>>14186502
have not seen this show so are the Windemere humans that have left the UN spacy(nuns name is fucking retarded)

>>14187320
>Robotech fans are just retarded
FTFY. They weren't really Macross fans to begin with and only like the retarded edited version.

When will Mirage help Hayate catch and eat Scar?

>>14187347

Aliens also with protoculture roots who were apparently exploited by the NUNs. and apparently its NUG now, New Unified Government

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>>14187347
They're a different race.

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>>14186851
Brisingr is what they're calling the globular cluster Delta's taken place in so far. A globular cluster is a collection of gas and stars, like a mini-galaxy that orbits a full galaxy.

So far, I think Protoculture and Zentraedi have been confined to the Milky Way and it's orbiting clusters. Seem to recall at the end of Frontier they say that the Vajra occasionally take off to mate with Vajra from other galaxies to evolve their immunities, and their mating call is fold-transmitting Aimo.

>>14187347
>have not seen this show
Then watch it then.

>UN spacy(nuns name is fucking retarded)
Its an acronym for New UN Spacy.

>>14187366
They're still called NUNS.

>>14187331
What's the difference? Why isn't Chaos using that instead of a VF-25 knockoff?

>>14187383

I figured NUNS are the military of the NUG

>>14187331

Wasn't the Lucifer also given the YF designation by the UN Spacy?

What's the story behind the Perceval, apart from coming from an Earth production plant? As far as I can gather, only one -29B appears in M30 under Havamal, and the JP wikipedia doesn't say anything else either. Are they just making -29Bs on a limited basis and not for large-scale adoption?

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>>14187389
I don't know. It's just some game exclusive thing, so it's technically not canon. It did get a figure though.

>>14187370
Aren't they in the Large Magellanic Cloud given their position vis-a-vis the Milky Way?

>>14186612
I don't know if there are specs for it but the percival has slightly different wings in game but it might just be boosters

>>14187389

The 29 was pretty much a dedicated advanced Vajra counter unit wasn't it?

Makes more sense for standard fighters to continue the Evolution line than that, to me.

>>14187397
The Lucifer is only designated YF because under New Unified Government regulations they don't have to disclose/share the tech-specs with the NUNS if it's experimental. I assume the same is true of Perceval, since it carries a lot of the Fold Crystal-based tech of Durandal.

What is the fighter that Chaos Ragna uses? VF-31 or something? Does it still use a gatling railgun instead of the beam guns that the VF-171EX, VF-27, and YF-29 all use?

>>14187417
You also need Vajra corpses to make YF-29s.

>>14187417
But it's got a ton of guns and flies good, and can go interstellar.

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>>14187424
It uses twin forearm gunpods and a beam cannon rifle.
>>14187389
Because they aren't affiliated with SMS or NUNS. And the VF-31 is probably superior specs wise to the VF-25.

>>14187417
Well the percival does use a different gun than the YF-29 alto custom

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>>14187460

>>14187455
wait we haven't heard anything about that pendant hayate wears on his neck right?

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>>14187474
Not quite. In the recent episode when the other Walkure members mention they could heard Heinz's singing, Hayate mentions he couldn't "hear" it but he could feel it. He was playing with his pendant while saying this so it practically confirms it's fold quartz he's wearing.

So I've watched SDF, Plus and Zero before.
I kinda wanted to start Delta but I also wanted to finish the other main entries.
The problem is that 7 has so much fucking episodes (and additional shit) and Frontier is supposed to be the anniversary fanservice Macross with a lot of throwbacks to previous works. Can I just start Delta now and go back to watch 7 and then Frontier later?

>>14187424
>VF-31 or something? Does it still use a gatling railgun instead of the beam guns that the VF-171EX, VF-27, and YF-29 all use?
It's the VF-31 Seigfried which was based off the YF-30 Cronos in Macross 30. It uses 2 mini-gatling gun mounted on each arm. Its "backpack" seems to be modular and can be interchanged with the standard energy gunpod with drone charger, radome dish (Chuck's model), missile pack (like the Cronos), and possibly a sound booster.

>>14187498

Watch Frontier, then Delta. 7 you can put aside.

>>14187487
Ahh that scene went straight over my head

Liking the pictures though thanks

>>14187487
What if it's a gift from Alto?

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>>14187498
You don't need to watch any other Macross to watch Detla, but it does help in enjoying some of the cameos and small references to past series. You could always watch Delta now and watch the other shows in between episodes.

>>14187498
>Can I just start Delta now and go back to watch 7 and then Frontier later?


frontier is irrelevant to delta so yea

>>14187154
>they're...they're laughing
By god, they really are
As is predicted in the dead sea scrolls, it's like poetry.

Wtf? Just wipe out this space debris. Have humans in sci-fi forgotten the meaning of the word genocide?

>>14187549
Windemerean is protected by a dimensional barrier so you couldn't nuke them.

>>14187521
KAKURU SURUN YA

>>14187412
I thought the Magellanic Clouds were relative closer to us around the perimeter and that'd be more the direction of the Sagittarius Dwarf Galaxy, but it's been about a decade since I did much with real star maps so I might be misremembering. They also look too close in to the spiral arm on the two galactic maps we've been shown so far. That might just be artistic license, but they've also shown other clusters kinda far out relative up and down from the accretion disk...

So far all we have specifically is Spacebird Il Palazzo called it the "Brisingr Globular Cluster"

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>>14187575
https://a.pomf.cat/fridks.webm

Is there a live torrent of the Central Anime version of Macross 7?

>>14187582
I've been playing this since yesterday, send help

>>14187538
>frontier is irrelevant to delta so yea

Of course not. Frontier may not be required to watch Delta but its still quite relevant to it. Frontier introduced fold quartz and fold wave technology as well as how idol singers being "weaponized".

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>>14187594
https://a.pomf.cat/uxnnvp.webm
This is my favorite scene still.

>>14187597
Also if you're skipping 7 it's more important since Frontier spends more time showing what the status quo of the universe and it's setting is

>>14187582
>https://a.pomf.cat/fridks.webm
We need a >>>/wsg/ thread for Macross WebM with sound.

>>14187604
thanks anon, i lost that link ages ago. Now I get to save it.

angato

>>14186823
>forcing this

Mirage is gonna lose. Kawamori doesn't see Jeniuses as good relationship material. Sick burn.

Calling it now:

Hayate's necklace is fold quartz (fucking duh).

Mikumo is a Windermereian hiding her rune, probably also one of them wind singers or whatever they were called that the little prince is.

Delta Red dies, depressing Kaname for a while.

Mirage wins.

>>14187582
>tfw new macross delta episode is up
can someone make a gif of freyja dancing in the cockpit?

>>14187708
>Mirage wins
for what reason?

>>14187720
Because Kawamori.

>>14187582
WOWOW WOWOWOW

Fuck I love the ED, full OST when

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>>14187717
>gif
No

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HEIL WINDEREMERE
HEIL SPESS!BELKA
VICTORY TO THOSE WHO HAVE RECLAIMED THEIR SHATTERED MOTHER SKIES

>>14187739
Muh kaze

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>Suddenly
>YOU CAN'T ADBLOCK THIS
Dafuq?

>>14187724
Poor reasoning.

I have a confession /m/.

I hated the preview episode of Delta. I hated the magical girl idols thing. I hated the completely unlikable shithead brat MC. I thought Freyja was an annoying little cunt. I was fully expecting to fucking drop this show.

And now I'm actually really digging it. I'm so fucking glad I gave it a chance. The whole biological fold waves thing and "tech magical girl" stuff actually makes sense in Macross logic, Hayate is actually growing as a character in only a handful of episodes and not just a perpetual shithead, Freyja is an adorable little shit, I'm pretty happy with the world building, and the music is addictive.

Forgive me.

>>14187734
>ask for gif
>got webm instead
just as planned
but how am I going to post webms on twitter?

>>14187751
Yup, but you know it's true.

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>>14187741
RECLAIM MUH KAZE
>This expression indicates Winderemere's confusion and lack of understanding. When Winderemere is confronted by something he cannot understand or respond to, Winderemere mumbles "Winderemere stronk" or "Muh Kaze, WALKÜRE SCUM". This is usually followed by selling his apples for affording snazzy-looking VFs and jamming everybody with Var Syndrome.
>New United Government circular circa 2067

>>14187753
You are forgiven, my child.

>>14187742
God bless gg.

>>14187757
Easy.

Don't use twitter.

>>14187758
It's not true. This won't be another SDF.

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>>14187753
>ever doubting Kawamori

>>14187753
It's okay. As long as you see the light.

>>14187757
I'm sure there are converters out there

>>14187765
Denial isn't just a river in Egypt.

>>14187767
Wait, is that the SV-52 Oryol from Macross the Ride?!

>>14187771
Yeah it's a mountain in alaska and you live there.

>>14187487
>image
Is there a date on when the when the DXs of the VF-31 and Sv-262 come out?

Oh hey, the Winderemerean SV-52's are actually pretty nice. Nice gold trim on metallic blue.

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>The King is fairly old
>Roid's got a megane fetish and shit
>Shrine of Time
>Most of Winderemere has snowy mountains with very rural towns
Goddamn space Belkans

How many episodes do you think it'll take until Bogue betrays his comrades to be with Freyja?

>>14187816
So Bogue is the new Milia now?

>>14187816
won't happen

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I feel like Reina's seal is a reference to something.

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I'm starting to believe that Mikumo x Freyja is the end-route of Delta.

>>14187820
Really? His runes were glowing pretty hard for her.

>>14187835
It's obviously hate-lust for a perceived enemy.
Think Master Miller or Ocelot.

>>14187835
Runes glowing doesn't necessarily mean it's glowing out of joy.

>>14187389
The 29 is not a multirole machine like the VF-31?
As far as we know, there is not even EWAC variant of the 29.

The 29 is at best a special operations machine, and it was made to counter the Vajra.

>>14187753
I personally thought the preview was shit as well so dw.

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Dat Max tho

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>>14187782
June/July for the VF-31 DX. Unsure when the Draaken comes out. The 1/72 kit of the VF-31J releases June. http://hlj.com/product/bann06327/Sci

>>14187855
My mistake, the DX comes out October.

>>14187856
>>14187855
They should make a Solo Wing custom

>>14187849
This will have to be updated with Ernest Johnson.

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>>14187868
Dear Messer,
Please stick it up your ass.

Sincerely,
Larry Foulke

PS Demon Lord was a better pilot and he didn't even need this ICS crap

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>>14187865
Damn straight nigga

>>14187847
As far as I remember, the 25, 27 and 29 all build off the same basic YF-24 core design.

The 31 is just another in that design family. Being an evolution of the 25 makes the most sense, since that one was the general purpose fighter intended to be mass produced, while the 27 and 29 were both funky prototypes and/or super niche technology beds.

I want to cum inside Freyja.

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I expected another PS joke, [gg]. What gives?

Also, it seems we'll get to see a view of the Siegy's FAST pack next episode.

>>14187873
This is the Walkure stage. Dead man's songs have no meaning here.

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Can someone explain to me how Hayate became a 'sergeant' right off the bat?

I know Chaos is civilian and shit, but getting into NCO territory this quick? Isn't that a bit too much?

>>14187879
The VF-27 was the mainline general purpose fighter for the Macross Galaxy, not a prototype or a niche aircraft.

>>14187898
It's funny how you can take Chuck's comment about politics between planetary systems and make a joke about MUH BORDERS.
And the joke will only be funny until people start dying in droves.

On another note, I wonder what this super-dimensional weapon Winderemere used to score an armistice during their war for independence. Methinks it could be 2060s version of the Grand Cannon, or probably worse the Excalibur tower

>>14187900

most pilots are lieutenants...

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>>14187849

truly best boy

>>14187924
There was a time when NCOs like petty officers can fly in fighters as well, tho. But Messer referred to him as SERGEANT Immelman in this episode.

>>14187315
Oh yeah, they are very....nationalistic.
I wonder who their equivalent of space untermensch will be.
Ragnars?
>>14187389
Because 29 is anti-vajra unit, while 31 is, like 25, multirole in it's basic configuration with maybe Delta squad configuration being somewhat customized to their role as Walkure support.
Percival/Durandal are stated to be expensive as hell.
Wait for mid season upgrade if you want super special snowflakes.
>>14187446
You need fold crystal. And you also need it for ICS system, so pretty much every plane after VF-25 or second Evolution prototype has its frame bejeweled. Fold crystal do occur naturally from what I've read on forums and /m/ but Vajra accumulate it in their bodies, making collecting it easier. For values of easier.
>>14187455
Gunpods and customizable turret with two weapon hardpoints.
Chucks VF carry foldable EW dish instead of that drone microwave thingie and we all know that Kawamori has a hard on for stampede variants.

>>14187919
The things that they said though, its kind of like what happened in Macross Zero's mythology.

>Winderemere telling the Ragnans to "rise and spread their wings of freedom"
>Ragnans are a water faring species
>Zero's mayan mythology had the bird people telling the fish people about how great the sky is

>>14187934
Nah, they have a serious hardon against Earthlings, which they consider false inheritors of the protoculture and the bringer of the divide to Winderemere.

>>14187934
>You need fold crystal.
>And you also need it for ICS system, so pretty much every plane after VF-25 or second Evolution prototype has its frame bejeweled.
The 29 is worse with regards to Fold Quartz usage, since it needs 4 large specially cut pieces on top of the small amount needed for the ISC.

>>14187939
They were saying that to the Brisingr Cluster in general though, not just the Ragnans.

>>14187905
Yeah, but shit's for cyborgs. That makes it pretty niche, no one else can use it outside of that creepy ass fleet.

>>14187948
Still, the Ragnans are one of the people receiving that message.

All they need to complete the parallel to the mythology is a Ragnan telling them how great the ocean is.

>>14187940
lol so they're jealous of humanity becoming "big brother type" and spreading throughout the galaxy to uplift their protoculture siblings

and yet they use variable fighters that are a human-origin weapon

>>14187954
Pretty much. I won't put it past them to think it's THEIR DESTINY, especially when you put their relics into account.

Their SV-52s tho, hot damn.

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Updated VA-3 when, Kawamori? I need to satisfy my attacker fetish.

>>14187951
And then the Windermere cut off their fins and make humans. And then the Windermere need to cut off their own head to mate with Ragnans.

>>14187961
It'll be hilarious if they think having a lot of relics means they are legitimate heirs of the Protoculture.

Humanity had one Protoculture relic(two if you count the city in DYRL) and that fucking relic tried to kill us.

>>14187965
>cut off their fins and make humans
Could work, I guess.

>cut off their own head
If its cutting off the Rune, that is.

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>>14187154
>>14187182
Are these the people who prefer that Minmay song entitled We Will Win or some shit?

>>14186896
Aw shit, nigga dis cute.

>>14187934
>equivalent of space untermensch will be.
Obviously Zentradi.

>Made as a slave race by the Protoculture
>We're the true heirs of the Protoculture
>Zentradi should serve us!

If Mirage gets captured by Bogue she'll probably be raped.

>>14187971
The Pillar of Time seems to be killing Heinz, at least.

>>14187900
>Can someone explain to me how Hayate became a 'sergeant' right off the bat?
>I know Chaos is civilian and shit, but getting into NCO territory this quick? Isn't that a bit too much?
Because they're civilian contractors who can make up their ranks working any way they want.

>>14187879
But the VF-25 never entered mass production.

>>14187855
Is this legal to sell in America, or could Harmony Gold sue to stop it?

I'm inclined to say it's fine, but I'm not sure.

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>>14187984
Fucking PMCs.

>>14187734
There should be fanart of Freyja with glasses by now.

>>14187499
>>14187499
>sound booster.
Next episode preview, yes?
>>14187517
Wouldn't be surprised but as fold crystal jewelry seems to be a thing in macrossverse it being a memento of his family makes more sense.
Also, Maos.
>>14187572
You also can't Macross cannon them, as dimensional barrier is pretty much what Galaxy/Vajra was using in Frontier finale, only on planetary scale. They are pretty much Coruscant.
>>14187582
They've made her so adorable that she is irresistible.
>>14187693
Nah. Freya might end as Hayates muse while Mirage will be his flying buddy. There will be no love interest between those three.
>>14187753
You are forgiven. Now, Giri Giri EYE.
>>14187879
Space Sukhois.
>>14187905
And pretty much only for Galaxy. It's specialized for cyborg use only and it's performance isn't really that much better than VF-25 in basic configuration. Also, no FAST packs except for that pathetic movie booster.
>>14187947
Sure but remember that ICS systems where present since Protoculture times, in Meltrandi suits for example.
Actually, is functional ICS humanities invention?
>>14187775
Yep.
>>14187964
At best we will get armored with lots of cannons. Delta seems to like cannons a lot.

>>14187982
>both are enhanced humanoids
>both are somewhat naive and struggle with emotions
...knife fight incoming.
>>14187992
It is main SMS machine, it is used by various colonies and it's plans were sent back to NUNS central, so it was officially recognized as a design.

>>14187154
These Americanfags know nothing about Nippon Aidoru culture.

>>14187835
>I smell the pungent wind of dripping pussy.

>>14188001
>present since Protoculture times, in Meltrandi suits for example.
Those were just inertial dampeners, I think.
The ISCs were based on them and are something else entirely. Fold Quartz only really became a thing in Frontier.

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>>14188002
You explain it to them and they'll come back with
>Soooo X-Factor with Veritechs?
Robotechx is a lost cause.

>>14188009
So Sheryl's earnings given to her by her grandma were just a red herring then?
Oh come on.

>>14188009
>inertial dampeners
So, ICS?

>>14187992
Well this is one of those strange situations since NUNS/NUG seems kinda Balkanized

VF-25 was designed specifically by companies in the Frontier fleet off the YF-24 base, with the intention of it the fleets VF-171s. It was in production and active duty use by SMS and PMCs in advance of that.

It's plans and specs get disseminated back to the greater NUNS body for their use, if they choose to.

>>14188022
maybe grace switched them out for ones made with fold quartz

not really macross related (since it also comes up in gundam and other sci fi anime at times), but how do you get G-force in space?

It would be funny as hell if we see Shinn and Sara in Winderemere and it's shown that they haven't aged a bit.

>>14188035
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equivalence_principle

>>14188022
They existed. Sure, but Fold Quartz were never all that used until Frontier introduced them.

ISCs are inertial dampeners, but an inertial dampener is not necessarily an ISC.
ISCs as they are now did not exist until the YF-24.
>Although a replica Quimeliquola special inertia vector control system was equipped in the General Galaxy YF-21 variable fighter, inertia and acceleration were reduced by 10% or less. Due to cost and control problems, the system was not adopted in the VF-22 Sturmvogel II.
>Development continued, but the ISC prototype of the YF-24 was a large-sized model that was so massive (gross weight reached as high as 18 metric tons) it could not be accommodated in the fuselage. The system was also limited, able to store only up to 2G of acceleration for a 5-second interval.
>After the YF-24 plan was discontinued, the original Shinsei Industry research was progressed and an improved miniaturized ISC model was built that withstood a high G environment.
>Refinement continued in the VF-25 Messiah ISC/TO21 system to the point where acceleration on the cockpit could be reduced by 27.5G for up to 2 minutesand acceleration were reduced by 10% or less.

>>14188047
Then ICS is humans own invention.
Neat.

>>14188035
>>14188040
Basically, g-forces are constant independent of a body's location in space-time.

>>14188035
just because there's no gravity pulling you down doesn't mean there's no g forces at all

imagine being in a car and taking a sharp turn, you feel a force pushing you to one side, those are G forces

car propulsion is generally limited to left and right or forward, so you feel G forces mostly from when you make turns and accelerate or brake.

same rules apply in space, it's not like because there's no gravity it means you can do all kinds of crazy movements and not feel any motion

>>14188035
High acceleration or sharp change of directions (which is a kind of high acceleration)

How much do you want to bet that when the Windermeer accept PROTOCULTURE into their lives they'll get normal lifespans?

Or if they stop eating only apples and stop dying to scurvy.

>>14187992
It did. What do you think the VF-25A model is?

>>14188069
>apples
> scurvy.
Anon, I..

Windermereans - Air
Ragnans - Water
Humans - Earth
Zentradi - Fire

Think about it.

>>14188072

Reverse scurvy. Whatever vegans die from.

>>14188075
Malnutrition?

>>14188074
So, who's the Avatar?
>>14188079
Stupidy?

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>>14188090
>So, who's the Avatar?
Mikumo.

>>14186768
>It looks like shit because people will still buy it.

I just came here to say.
That's not a good thing and should be criticized.

>>14188079
>>14188075
You mean Rickets. Or hypocobalaminemia.

>>14187446
>>14187934
I doubt the vajra would appreciate human using their dead bodies for plane part.

>>14188113
Though, if they manage to get the Vajra to work with them, Vajra-VF hybrids would be amazing to behold.

>>14188022
>>14188033
In the remaster of the Macross Zero, they added in the earings in the scene where they had a photo of Sara and Mao's parents.

Frontier basically alluded to the bird human being an attempt to copy Vajra, so the presence of fold quartz is not unreasonable.

>>14188035
g force is actually the force of inertia and acceleration acting on your body. You will still experience g-force in space.

>>14188121
And in TV Frontier there is Mayan's birdman totem on Vajra planet. Thou it might have been Mao's doing.

>>14188117
>>vajra in bug powered armor

>>14188128
A lot of the iconography and gargoyles on Windermere look suspiciously like the bird human, too.

>>14188130
>Microorganism riding a bug suit in a bug suit, controlled by hive mind with central control unit in another galaxy.

Vajra are OP.
>>14188134
Noticed it too. Statues on the surface might be inspired by native birds equivalent but those glowy crystals in 'ruins' do look like birdman. Also, crystal eggs.

>>14188121
>Hayate is descended from Sara and that guy

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>>14187315

>Still no giantesses.

/m/ please hold me

>>14188181
What is Belka?

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>>14188250

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>>14188250

Ace Combat Zero.

A nation with a German/Arthurian theme. They loved war-ending superweapons and Knights In Planes.

>>14187964
shit. i need it. A-10 thunderbolt as a VF.

>>14187366
NUNG and New Unified Government is the same thing. Shin = New Togou=UN/Unified Seifu=Government.

>>14187949

There's non-ctlyborg variants too. Probably more of them than standard ones from what I gather, since the green mook ones can be flown as standard.

>>14187383
NUNS mean New UN Spacy as in Shin Togou Uchuugun. It is shorted to Shin Togou Gun or New United/UN Forces. In Macross 7 UN Spacy called itself Chikyuu Togou Gun or Earth United/UN Forces.

>>14188035
G-force is inertia, we just measure it in Gs.

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>>14188074
No Zolans

>>14188310
>zolans
>mattering

>>14187370
I recognize that bulge

>>14186612
>>14187389
>>14187847
>>14187879
Maybe VF production facilities are run by space russians?

> Ivan is time to make new VF for profit
>Yuo see Boris, if add +1 to model number is new VF can be sold for higher price!

Macross +1 VF development boogaloo

>>14188344
Or people could just accept that Kawamori wanted a nod to the Chronos from the Macross 30 game.

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>>14188353

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I wanna stroke her hair

I always thought the Spacy was colonizing empty worlds. So they just came to Ragna and Windermere and said 'Hello! We come in peace! Now give us a place to land our giant colony ship filled with thousands of aliens and reaction weapons, thank you'?

Now I wonder if some colony fleets put natives in reservations for 'their own protection'.

>>14188363
Who would have guessed that Colony fleets would be a callback to Colonialism?

>>14188363
We really don't know how they usually operate. Apparently the cluster the story's set in already was home to three sentinent species (Frogpeople, anglerfishmen and cat-people), but we saw two or three planets with none in Macross 7. And if Macross F's anything to go by, there could be colonies out there that decided that they're going to go fully conquistadtor on whatever native people they find.

>>14188361
I want to stroke her rune that she's obviously hiding in that tuft of hair on top of her head.

>>14188363
Well, after what happened to Earth, can you blame them?
And this isn't starfleet mah boy, no starfleet.

>>14188376
It can be logically assumed that the colonial governments have a decent degree of autonomy in how they operate, being so far away from the central government and all.

>>14188363

I'd always just assumed that a world could say no to a colony landing and setting up home, but they could still set up a relationship with the united government and join the bigger galactic community. Zola for example didn't seem colonized.

But the implication seems to be that the Windermere did allow them to set up shop, and the deal ended up going poorly for them. Ragna seems a pretty chill place in comparison.

>>14188382
>I'd always just assumed that a world could say no to a colony landing and setting up home
That's a pretty idealist point of view. I'm sure that that might even be what they're supposed to do, but I doubt that's what always happens in practice. Delta is hinting pretty hard at good ol' Earth style Colonialism being an issue in the Macross universe.

>Ragna seems a pretty chill place in comparison.
Don't be surprised it's all a front and there's a revolt on Ragna later in the series.

>>14188380
The restruturing of UNS into NUNS gave the colonies more authority in deciding what they want to do, so the colony that went to Winderemere probably had some assholes in charge that fucked it all up for their own benefits.

>>14188378
Well, I guess after Space War there could be an undercurrent of 'fuck alien scum, we're humans!', but they also had aliens in their ranks, and Kawamori is a hippy. I don't know, I guess I find weird having POLITICS in my idol show with robot planes.

>>14188392

>It's an old-ass Megaroad during the early days of the colonization effort

Oh shit it's going to be one of those rumored full-of-Anti-UN-people colony ships, isn't it?

>>14188363
You gotta keep in mind that colony fleets are nothing like the Pilgrim Fathers or regular colony projects as we know them, which were barely capable of surviving without plunder and outside assistance. It also seems like they usually drop off small portions of their populations and move on rather than park the main habita wherever.

>>14187521
That zooming camera movement is the dumbest thing ever.

>>14187934
what is ics?

>>14188426
Oh ffs.
ISC.
Curse you, muscle memory.

>>14188407
The colonies park their ships on whatever planet they colonise.

>>14187940
We Halo now

>>14188417

nah faggot, it's cute as hell.

Already got a Watashi no Kare wa Pilot vibe from Freya So...

Is it worth to watch this even if I have a big dislike for love triangles?

do you think the windermerian's had flight tech prior to the colonization fleet arriving? they seem a little on the underdeveloped side, but it could just be their shit climate. it would be a rash move for the macross fleet to just enter a planet's atmosphere, regardless of the technological difference, without scoping out whether or not the inhabitants might have weapons to 'make the first move' against what seems to be alien invaders.

>>14188453
If the locals can harm them, chances are, they probably already can into space and would already have saw them coming even before they entered the atmosphere

>>14188399
The Windermereans calling humanity the "false inheritors of the protoculture" could be a clue that after all these years of colonizing the galaxy and fighting various wars, maybe humanity got too big for their britches and have developed an ego believing themselves the galaxy's effective rulers.

The NUNS brand of Colonialism is probably more power and ego driven than resources and riches driven.

The ED/Freyja's "wow wow wowow" song sounds really familiar. Is there another song or something that sounds like it? It's really bugging me.

>>14188471
In other words, NUNS is the Greater East Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere, and humanity is Japan.

>>14188473
DATA BASE DATA BASE
JUST LIVING IN THE DATABASE
WOWOW

>>14188451
Well the triangle hasn't actually started yet

>>14188490
>DATA BASE DATA BASE
>JUST LIVING IN THE DATABASE
>WOWOW
Not even REMOTELY the same.

someone was talking about multiroles earlier in the thread, I wonder though, aren't all Valkyries essentially multiroles anyway? and aside from valks the only other thing we see are monsters and we usually only see very few of them around anyway, as if on the human side they switched about the 99% of combat units to Valks, aside from mainline ships and carriers that is.

I mean do we even see non zentradi ground based units anymore

>>14188473
someone pointed this out when the first episode was aired
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gs069dndIYk

>>14188504
All VFs are mostly multirole but special role units still exist.

>>14188504
In modern terms all VFs are multirole, but they still have "specialist" models like VAs, VBs, and RVFs.

>I mean do we even see non zentradi ground based units anymore
You see lots of Cheyenne IIs in Frontier.

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>>14186502

>>14188514
yeah but those special units are closer to F-18s to EA-18s, same base build but with slightly different hardware

>>14188518
>You see lots of Cheyenne IIs in Frontier.
huh, totally forgot about those

>>14188531
Somehow I think Delta's Zeon is going to be more in the right.

>>14188531
not quite the same, windemerans get the raw end of the deal (according to them anyway), like Japan in the last days of the shogunate, or any countries that had their resources stripped by a foreign power or company while seeing very little of the profits from it

>>14188550
The windemereans are native americans but without casinos.

>>14188551
>The windemereans are native americans but without casinos.
They're still alive and they have their own nation, which makes them nothing like the Americans.

And we don't actually know what the Windimerian's beef is right now, but it seems they didn't lose the last war because they threathened to erase everything inside their solar system if NUNS would not back the fuck off.

>>14188563
wait a minute
>wanted independence
>got it through wining a war of independence
>proceeds to try and "liberate" neighbouring systems
WE 1812 USA!

>>14188453

I'd imagine they should be doing medical checks for germs and infections of various types first, not weapons checks.

>>14188578
Adn sexual compatibility, that's important too.

>>14188453
They did not have technology beyond primitive earth stuff, hence the knights and sword fighting

>>14188579
If they're a Protoculture child race that's a given.

The protoculture really seemed to want us to fuck our way across the galaxy.

>>14188582
It wouldn't surprise me, considering Macross' motto is 'Make love, not war'.

>>14188582

The Protoculture had a Seldon plan based on fucking?

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>>14186502
No matter what I can't get myself motivated to finish Macross franchise,and another show adds up.

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>>14188531
OP here. I made that post hoping somebody would post this

>>14188544
Yeah, they haven't reaction weapon'ed their own planet yet

>>14188594
Yet.

>>14188587
you don't have to watch it if you don't enjoy it you know.

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>>14188587
Why are you crying? It's not like Gundam where they shit out three shows a year. The last Macross was 8 years ago.

>>14188602
>>14188610
Ignore the butthurt robotech fags

>muh gritty war drama

>>14188587
There isn't even a lot of Macross, try finding motivation to watch Kamen Rider and Precure.

>windemerans won their independence from the NUN
>there's a chance they might have captured a macross ship
>there's a chance we might see another macross vs macross fight
My run is pika

on a different note, why does freyja have her own song in a music player?

>>14188614
You don't know that you can transfer songs in a music player?

>>14188617
We're gonna find you and see if you're heavier than a duck!

>>14188617
no as in when did she write that? it's very much her song and not Walkure's, lyric wise that is

>>14188620
Probably during all the time that passed between that scene and her first joining Walkure?

It's pretty clear that was a SIGNIFICANT amount of time. Easily weeks to months.

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>mikumo and freyja

>>14188627
It was a day at most after her first concert
The guy in charge had only finished explaining the situation at the start of the episode

>>14188644
You don't seriously think they didn't write a song for their newest member to perform during her debut, do you?

>>14188643
Freyja's poor as fuck?

>>14188643
>Takane really was an alien all along

>>14188644
And she's been with Chaos for at least a month. What made you think she didn't write it on her own?

>>14188650
Well she is a commoner

>>14188650
She had literally nothing but the clothes on her back and a backpack after she left Windermere and before joining Walkure.

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So trade between Windermere and the NUN still exist right?

>>14188657
It did until they declared war, at least.

That's how Freyja got off the planet, in a cargo ship filled with apples.

>>14188652
>idols
>writing their own music

>>14188473
September by Earth Wind and Fire.

>>14188660
I wonder how she managed to get into the ship, the border control must be crazy

>yfw everyone in elysium is suddenly branded traitors by NUN after discovering the truth
>they go into hiding and delta squadron fakes being shot down
>CUM HISTORIA

>>14188666
IIRC she said the fiance who she was running away to keep from having to marry helped her, but that's all that's ever been said about it.

>>14188669
In before is glasses guy

>>14188670
It's some random guy in the manga

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>>14187717
Yes

>>14188711
>Opening this just as boogie wonderland plays
perfect

>>14188668

No nearly-outdated swing-wings, no deal.

>>14188713
They got VF-1EXs, anon.

>>14188711
Why's she so cute, aaaaaaaahhhh!!!!

>>14187855
I really like the fighter and the gerwalk, but that battroid is butt fuggly for some reason.

>>14188730
I've always found the battroid mode in any macross tolerable at best aside maybe the YF-19's and 21's, probably the only 2 battroid modes I actually liked. Plane mode is best mode

>>14188715

No, they'll need to fly those to get away from the NUNS forces chasing them. The public is then told that all VF-1EXes have been shot down. Unsurprisingly it is done over water, and no bodies are found from scouring the floating wreckage.

Nearly-outdated fighters, not completely outmatched fighters. What other modifications were applied to the -1EX other than the Ex-Gear and related AI support? As much as the -171 is the lowest mainline standard, the 1EX probably shouldn't be any better than it, assuming it even comes close at all.

>>14188740
>Nearly-outdated fighters, not completely outmatched fighters. What other modifications were applied to the -1EX other than the Ex-Gear and related AI support? As much as the -171 is the lowest mainline standard, the 1EX probably shouldn't be any better than it, assuming it even comes close at all.
I think it's safe to assume the only real use the 1EX even has is as a training machine.

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Dusting off my PS3 to play this finally.

A few years late, but I was able to get it pretty cheap. Woo!

Aisha is love.

>>14188749
dem titties

>>14188749
It's criminal how little good Aisha art there is on the internet.

>>14188749

I thought Minmay was Alto.

>>14188740
VF-171 is the only choice though.

"Nearly outdated" is quite narrow to find a VF for.

>>14186823
>Minmay not in love with the protag
>Just want to spread around culture

Rewatch that ending anon.

>>14188730
Because its based on the VF-30 which had by far the worst battroid mode of any valk short of maybe the VF-4.

>>14188730
It's kept the 25's anemic proportions. The Messiah at least had the excuse of being supposed to be deployed with an add-on pack of some sort, but we haven't seen the Siegfried's yet.

>>14188774
Given that the Siegfried uses the retractable option pod of the 30, I really doubt it'll get much in the way of add-on packs that aren't just different option pods.

>>14188781
It's a shame. Kawamori is just redesigning the Messiah at this point, this time by way of making it have sex with the YF-19. The only truly original design is the Drakken, and that's literally just a transforming version of its real life counterpart.

>>14188760

Maybe they steal some of the VF-25s the NUNS reinforcements brought with them. It's got the swing-wing, at least, but the -25's well within being too capable even against the VF-31.

The original intent was that they'd just steal some "not-so-new fighters" to parallel Ace Combat 5's progression, I'm just mucking around with >>14188668's idea that they'll need some swing-wings with some airtime to complete the deal. The -1EXs, as poorly-armed trainers compared to everything else present, are more akin to the Hawks the Wardogs fly to escape from Sand Island rather than be the well-worn but trusted chariots they'll return in.

If Walkure getting set upon by the NUNS that were supposed to reinforce them really happened, Delta Platoon will probably break out from confinement in their quarters, distract a couple of guards with a mercat stampede, sneak into a NUNS-held Elysion, and retake their own VF-31s. As much as "It's Kawamori" I don't think he'd go as far as to bait-and-switch the characters' primary VFs. Or would he?

>>14188790
>>14188773

I didn't like it at first either but I think it's because the blue doesn't do enough to break up all the white, and the head could be a lot more prominent. Like, even if it was straight up VF-1 mass production model version square monoeye it would have more personality than now where I almost forget it has a head.

Otherwise it's not that bad.

>>14188749
Damn i really wish ps3 could stream gameplay like the ps4, so i could stream this for you guys. The game is actually really good.

>>14188802
I've got it, I only got as far as the SDF1 showing up then got really bored of the game.

It's fun in bursts but goddamn is it repetitive, and surprisingly grindy as fuck.

>>14188817
At least its not a gundam breaker 3 level of boring, and the girls are fantastic

>>14188781
There are super parts that have been visible in some shots, the preview for the next episode and at least one other occasion consisting of the standard wing mounted engine pods and leg bits.

>>14188790
Take a closer look at how the Siegfried transforms. It's not just a Messiah reskin.

>>14188825
I really, really, really wanted to like Gundam Breaker 3. I don't know why they turned it into "GB2: Inventory Management Simulator Edition"

>>14188796
Why not this?

>Walkure and Delta are branded traitors
>They manage to get on VF-1EXs and get out
>Fake their own deaths
>Picked up by someone they know, maybe Elysium's captain, who launched the carrier Aether from Elysium previously under NUNS orders to do stuff
>They get VF-19s that was intended for NUNS pilots but those pilots died earlier
>Paint them in dark colors
>Walkure rides with them and sings songs that are rather ominous

>>14188749

Does that have an English option like some Japanese games?

>>14188869
Nope, but i'm fluent in jap so i'm a-ok

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How long before she gives a genuine smile?

>>14188483
That is what Windermere is with what happened to it and what they are doing. Unequal Treaty, revolt to restore the monarchy, isolationism, bringing all races in the Brisingr cluster under their rule and ways.

>>14189057
So in that they are justified at spreading their shit music that makes people go bananas, and fire missiles at a pop concert?

OK.

>>14188985
I trust Kawamori will pull it off before the end of the first cour, possibly around ep 10~

>>14188985
When she reveals she was the supay

>>14189092
Those are traditional Windermere pastimes.
Stop oppressing their culture!

Man, Messer seems to act like a jerk for no fucking reason most of the time while Mirage turns out to be a good girl. Her parents didn't raise her right, it seems, but she's at least trying.

Where's the environmentalism?
This isn't muh mori

With Mikumo seems to have an interest with the Windermere prince makes me think that she will defect to Windermere side at one point and the final battle will have Freyja vs Mikumo in a gigantic singing battle.

>>14189057

I find that part of Roid's speech to be kind of hilarious.

> They come to our planet, and offer a treaty, but its super unequal!

Of course it is, numbnuts. Look around. They are a galaxy spanning situation that has consistently beaten back the Zentradi, Vajra, and Protodevlin. They have incorporated races into the alliance before you.

You are just some guys they found on a planet that had not even mastered space yet.

Why the FUCK would you think your civilizations are in any way equals? If the humans were less benevolent, That colony ship could have taken your entire planet by force and there is nothing you could have done to stop them.

Expecting the vastly superior power to treat your world with extra special attention and care is just wounded ego.

>>14189203
Messer is just really stiff.
He has a point when he tells Hayate off, but he comes off as very stiff and uptight about it, which people in general don't like.
He doesn't seem to relax, at all. In that party with everyone there, he went back to base to standby.
Its clear he isn't a social person, but he also comes off as someone that is very hard to get along with as a person.

>>14189241
>beaten back the Zentradi,
Yes.
>Vajra
Nope.
>and Protodevlin.
Made peace with them, still killed a few of them though.

>>14189248

The real question is why.

Is it because he simply believes himself to be superior to others?

Or is he just unwilling to socialize with people he thinks could die on any mission, as a sort of defensive measure? Has he lost people before?

Or maybe he is just a massive stick in the mud.

>>14189241
You have to add the religious point of view.
Their whole civilization raised in a planet full of ruins of an more powerful and ancient civilization, they probably through themselves as the choosen ones or some shit like that.
And then humans came and make them realize they are nothing of the short.

>>14189251

We have figured out the winning strategy against the Zentradi, we now occupy the Vajra home planet, and not enough people know the details of the Protodevlin encounter to know much beyond the fact that we won... somehow.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bDMUmx9slQ

> walkure and delta squadron incapacitated by knights
> NUNS guys preparing to get REKT by regular windermerian occupying forces and var infected allies
> one guy starts to sing to calm himself down
> everyone joins in over comms
> everyones latent biological fold waves amplify each other enough that they keep each other from falling to Var Syndrome

>>14189092
Please, they use reactive weaponry. The Spacey are in no position to talk about moral uses of superweapons in war.

>>14189241
Anon, humanity was pretty much eradicated at the hands of the Zentrans and Meltrans. Prolly much less than ten percent survived and they only ever got back on their feet by using their ally's tech.
Zentradi and Meltran probably still make up the bulk of NUNS MP forces, simply because there are so goddamn many of them around and it was the colony fleets who resolved the Vajira and Protodevilin-situation, not NUNS central.

Really, if the colonists that landed smack among the windimerians acted like dicks, they could because colonies had been doing so well at stopping intergalactic threats in the past first and foremost.

>>14189241
>That colony ship could have taken your entire planet by force and there is nothing you could have done to stop them.
Maybe they did just that and that's why they revolted against them?

>>14189253
Maybe he knows that he is gonna succumb to Var one of these days and hoped that being an ass to them will make it easier for them to pull the trigger and kill him?

>>14189257
>figured out the winning strategy against the Zentradi
Yes, though they can easily Macross Cannon a zentradi fleet and mop up the survivors with reaction/MDE weaponry.

>now occupy the Vajra home planet
Only because they gave it to us.
In either TV or movie continuity, Island-1 was shot at with a massive attack that would have destroyed it, and the Vajra blocked that shot on both accounts.
Even if they won the battle, without Island-1's population and infrastructure to colonise the planet, it would ultimately be a loss to the human side.

>>14189286

You know that, and I know that. But in-universe, the fact that it was a narrow or situational victory matters less than the fact that it was a victory.

The list of humanity's accomplishments by the time of Delta is absurd. Windemere was lucky enough to still have some protoculture ruins laying around their planet, but other than that they are nothing special.

There are also the shortest lived race by far. Humans can live 3 times their lifespan with proper medical care, and I honestly don't think we have ever seen a Zentradi that died of old age... ever.

>>14188661
ALL HAIL GREAT NANA !

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>>14189282
No, they are just assholes who think they own the place because some relics

>>14188740
EX are pretty much VF-19 in different frame.>>14188749
Define cheap. I see one disc for 25 eurodollars.

>>14189312
Generally, culture saved the day by being desirable for whomever was trying to eradicate humanity rather than the NUNS with guns. That humanity managed to make the jump into space resulted in them becoming the ultimate pet race that rode shotgun with the Zentrans and Meltrans the way our cats or our cattle ride with us.