Pottery

definitely thread worthy. good job op.

BUT MUH ISHIKAWA

MUH JAKIOHHHHHHHHHH

how come these charts always miss the Nadia references?

>>14153452
It's like almost any other anime. Nagai's Cutey Honey's catchphrase is from Cyborg 009, Master-sensei-sir-your-majesty Tomino's Reconguista Mask is taken from some old anime just like Eva's face, etc., etc.

>>14153460
>Nagai's Cutey Honey's catchphrase is from Cyborg 009
Even then, it actually came from a live-action movie series called Tarao Bannai (which got a manga adaptation from Ishinomori in the late 70s).

>>14153457
you sound butthurt, spic.

Why do people assume that being unable to escape the influences that shaped you is a bad thing?

Spielberg is exactly the same way with golden age hollywood.

And JJ Abrams is exactly the same way with Spielberg.

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We're a pottery thread now.

>>14153552

Man I miss DJ sagara, the character and the actor.

>>14153516
Not as much as you do, Ishikawafag.

>>14153545
Because it makes you unoriginal.

>>14153612
And that doesn't mean what you make is bad, or of any less value.

There was not an ounce of originality in Pacific Rim, yet I'm fairly certain we can all agree it was the best /m/ anything of the last 16 years.

>>14153612
>Because it makes you unoriginal.
There's literally nothing original left, not in the west and not in Japan. Everyone just recycled the culture they grew up in.

>>14153612
By your logic Giant Robo is bad because it's derivative.

>>14153612
Is Tarantino unoriginal? He makes almost nothing new but he has a certain style. The same for Anno. You can't see the forest for the trees.

>>14153617
Not by a long shot.

>>14153624
Precisely.

>>14153635
>Is Tarantino unoriginal?
"unoriginal" is generous for that hack

>>14153612
>Not as much as you do, Ishikawafag.
Kek

you're so butthurt that you attempted to ruin ishikawa threads for a year straight.

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>>14153617
>>14153624
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>>14153635
>replying seriously to the spic

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>>14153452

Don't forget all of these too.

>>14153736
Spanish people are loved in my country.

>>14153728
At least I'm not making outrageous claims of inspiration without any source of credible proof.

>>14153452
That's the beauty of evangelion. You watch it the first time.

It's an 8/10.

You watch it after having read Devilman and Childhood's End, watched Ideon, Ultraman and Space Odyssey.

It's a 10/10.

>>14154095

You make no sense and also forgot Getter Saga.

>>14154095
People usually watch Eva after the've seen Space Odyssey.

>>14154131
>>14154095
I watched EVA before all of those and I could still really enjoy it

>>14154131
I have as well actually. But obviously when I saw it before I didn't take into account its influence on Eva.
>>14154121
What do you mean? You see where it's influences came from and how they integrated some elements of their work into their own and often improved on them. It's like how reading classical literature will help you admire modernist and post-modern works.

>>14153545
JJ isn't good though.

Spielberg has had some great hits, however.

That said, I won't deny JJ's quality as a producer.

>>14154188

Because it's bullshit. Also
>and often improved on them
That's a blatant lie. Why won't you just stay in your containment board, /lit/?

>>14153747
What is the third manga on the first row?

>>14154292
Here's your reply.

>>14154364
Nice to know you don't have an argument.

pottery

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pac-fQTqNQ8&index=7&list=PLGJfenxSvXlf8CaM74XNenpnPPsbaqc4w

>>14154619
We know. We've known for a while.

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>>14153747
How's FF7 influenced by Eva? Wasn't it being written since the early 90's?

>>14154095
No.

>>14154974
If anything, FF7 itself influenced a bunch of JRPGs that tried to imitate it (what those specific games are, I have no clue about).

>>14154381
I'd provide an argument if I had an argument to respond to. You just used the phrases "bullshit" and "blatant lie" without backing anything up, you didn't even attempt to.

>>14155063
No reason to try and argue against you when you're obviously wrong.

>>14155085
It's this kind of thing that made me response with this: >>14154364
If I give someone evidence for why the earth isn't flat and their only response is "No, that's bullshit" then it's kind of hard for the discussion to continue.

>>14155115
Good thing there was no reason for it to continue

>>14155155
Then why did you reply ? You wanted you daily (you) fix ?

>>14155166
Me wanted me daily (you), yes, exactly.

>>14153612
>Because it makes you unoriginal.
Being influenced by something doesn't make it unoriginal, every creator has inspirations. Eva is not a copy of Ultraman or Devilman, none of those give the same experience as NGE.

Not to mention only the lower half of that pic has some sense. I mean Devilman hardly invented people being shocked by others being killed or someone gettins spiked. It also didn't invent cherubim wings. The Adams-Ultrman connection is pretty forced as well. All the angels in NGE have cores at the middle of their chests. And suprisingly, Ultraman didn't invent eyes either.

>>14155554
delusional

>>14155560
Yeah sure, I'm the one.

>>14155565
Good to know you admit it even if not seriously

>>14155574
This is going to be my last response unless you actually plan to provide an argument against the claims I presented.

>>14155616
So you've finally realized you're wrong and decided to give up the ghost. Good to know.

>>14153452
Why do you retards think that it's some big secret that Eva references and homages fucking everything?

>>14155640
Because westerns believe they're special snowflakes and not the result of an accumulation of information through thousands of years.

>>14153612
>Because it makes you unoriginal.

Just like Tarantino, right?

>>14155640
Because Devilman was a purely original work of art. It had no influences at all. I mean, I mean even the bible ripped off of it with all the talk of Devils, Satan and God.

>>14155656
Westerners. It would serve you well to learn how to properly type in English, spic.

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>>14155669
Something I like about the nips is how enthusiastic they're about discussing about their influences while western authors feel embarrassed to admit they took ideas from other sources, mainly stuff they liked when they were kids

>>14155680
Please don't embarrass yourself weeb

>>14155680
>western authors feel embarrassed to admit they took ideas from other source
I haven't really seen this. Off the top of my head, two authors I've read introductions/forwards/whatevers by recently have been Moorcock, who talks quite a bit about how he got his start as a student editing a fanzine composed almost entirely of Tolkien rip-offs, then became better as an author by reading Morris and Dunsany (I may be confusing another author here), and Wolfe, who wrote the intro to the New Sun stuff on how much he loved Gormenghast as a child (and another where he talked a bit about Proust). Personally, I've discovered many authors simply because other authors I knew recommended them.

Perhaps we've looked at different western authors, though. There is certainly a stereotypical European/American author figure who discounts everything as rubbish except his own work, but I normally think of that stereotype as writing books of the sort I don't care for.

>>14155680
Lucas, Tarantino and the Wachowskies are all open about their inspirations. Not to mention lots of western directors adapt books so those are obviously inspired.

>>14155765
>but I normally think of that stereotype as writing books of the sort I don't care for
That wouldn't make them any less prevalent, now would it?

>>14155801
>Not to mention lots of western directors adapt books so those are obviously inspired.
Except not at all.

>>14155672
No, westerns, as in spaghetti westerns. They are the key to understanding everything. I'd tell you more but there are people after me, so hurry and find the start of the trail in Fistful of Do

>>14155811
Did you know Ishikawa watched spaghetti westerns for inspiration?

>>14153747
>divergence eve didnt make the list
Im surprised.

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>>14153747
Onegai !

>>14155574
>>14155085
>>14154974
>>14154381
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>>14155809
How can one be so much of a samefag?

>>14153452
>Ultraman
What's column 3? I get that it's ultraman but what specific series or movie? Or do they come from a number of different series and movies?

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>>14156956
For one thing, >>14154974 is a different guy. Don't lob me in with the one you're arguing with.

>>14155554
Anno's a hack. Just admit it.

>>14157503
>Anno's a hack.
Easily in the top 10, maybe top 5 best anime directors of all time.

>>14153747
NGE apes more than it influences
AHAHAHAHA

>>14156060
I've told you one of those is Attack on Titan.

>>14157531
Come on dude, really?

>>14157608
no.I need serious answers.

>>14157531
Fuckin kek good one anon.

>>14157671
Yes really, sorry I'm not an edgy contrarian and got over the fact that I'm sixteen, years ago when I actually was sixteen.

>>14157950
Nah, you're still sixteen right now.

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>>14157950
>>14157965
You just got checked

>>14157965
No anon, I'm not the one being a contrarian about Anno because so I can contradict a popular opinion just to come off as cool.

>>14157968
>>14157965
Fuck off back to /v/ with this level of samefagging.

>>14157979
Even more proof towards you being sixteen.

>>14153747
I'm sorry, but I don't see how Gamera 2 was influenced by Eva in any sort of way.

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>>14157980
Maybe you'd like to try again?

>>14157984
Boy, you told me!

>>14158003
Damn right I did. Now get out of here, underage.

>>14158002
Damn, if only there were programs that would enable you to edit an image. But I guess since there is no such thing, I must admit defeat.

>>14158007
Damn, I got really scared of you anon. Could you tell me what other pages you go to so I could avoid you and not get told off like this again? Judging by the quality of your posts, I'm expecting reddit?

>>14158009
No reason to be upset that you fucked up on your guess of samefag. It happens.

>>14158013
>guess

>>14153747
Where's Raideen and Zeorymer?

>>14158021
Assumption, sorry.

>>14158024
I don't have the most recent version. Feel free to post it if you want.

>>14158030
There's a recent version?

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>>14158032
It's the one where an anon added in a couple of things he found fitting.

>>14157373
The first two for sure are Ultraseven. I haven't seen enough of it yet to be sure of the third. And I have no idea about the rest.

>>14157671
Top Tier:
Isao Takahata, Mamoru Oshii, Satoshi Kon, Hayao Miyazaki, Masaaki Yuasa

High Tier:
Osamu Dezaki, Takashi Nakamura, Kunihiko Ikuhara, Keiichi Hara, Yasuhiro Imagawa, Hideaki Anno, Tatsuya Oishi, Kenji Nakamura

Good Tier:
Katsuhiro Otomo, Koji Morimoto, Mitsu Iso, Hiroyuki Okiura, Gisaburo Sugii, Mamoru Hosoda, Hiroyuki Imaishi, Akiyuki Shinbo, Yoshiaki Kawajiri, Takeshi Koike, Yoh Yoshinari, Takuya Igarashi, Naoko Yamada

OK Tier:
Junichi Sato, Rintaro, Shinichiro Watanabe, Ryutaro Nakamura, Yoshiyuki Tomino, Rie Matsumoto, Yasuhiro Takemoto, Tsutomu Mizushima, Yasuhiro Yoshiura

Medicore Tier:
Seiji Mizushima, Junji Nishimura, Makoto Shinkai, Ei Aoki, Noboru Ishiguro, Tatsuya Ishihara, Yutaka Yamamoto, Tatsuyuki Nagai, Goro Taniguchi, Shoji Kawamori

>>14158038
Are there more of those?

>>14158056
Far as I know there was only the one I posted and the one that that anon tacked some stuff on to. It's not like there's some rule that you can't edit the image to make it be more accurate as far as you're concerned.

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>>14158038
>Getter robo gou

>>14158077
I fail to see the issue with it being there. Makes more sense than something like Zeorymer, that's for sure.

>>14158082
>Gives no reason why.

>>14158067
I meant for other works, not just Eva.

>>14158092
Says the person who gives no reason as to why Zeorymer even remotely makes sense to include.

>>14158096
Probably. If not, you could spend five minutes making something about the same in Paint.

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I only have this one saved.

>>14158099
>The first episode of Zeorymer, Masaki, the beta protag gets kidnapped and abused until his edgy dark side takes over himself and pilots the Zeorymer
>The first episode of EVA, The beta protag who was already abused is forced to move to neo-tokyo and is forced to pilot the EVA-01

>>14158125
Eva could have taken that idea from Gundam, especially since we actually know it's an influence and Anno put it second on the list of his favorite animated works.

>>14158125
Those are some straws you're grasping at there, anon. He seems more like Akira to be honest.

>>14158139
Amuro was a stubborn kid
>>14158140
>Masaki
>Akira
Akira was a normal 70's protag like Hyouma and Toei Ryouma

>>14158148
Not before he fused with Amon he wasn't. He was a wimpy, cowardly little shit.

>>14158148
Because Shinji is put through the things that Amuro was but his personality is different because it's based on Anno himself. In one interview Tsurumaki mentioned that when he directed some of the eps when he had to decide on how Shinji he would behave he would think how Anno would.

>>14158139
What is his 1st ? Ideon ?

>>14158155
>Devilman's Akira
>Not Raideen's Akira
Oh well that makes sense now.
>>14158158
>Shinji is Anno's self insert

>>14158172
>Shinji is Anno's self insert
Doesn't it seem rather obvious? He did say the "I must not run away" part was something he kept telling himself when a his worst;
It's not like he's the only creator to ever do this. Especially in works where they want to be so open with expressing themselves.
>>14158166
First was Yamato. I remember Future Boy Conan, Ideon and Tom & Jerry also being on the list.

>>14158186
>Tom & Jerry
quick! put it on >>14158077 !

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>>14158077
didn't Ishikawa do a mech manga about ww3 in China with a Reiclone

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>>14158123
God, don't remind me of that piece of trash.

>>14159005
Utena is 10/10.

>>14158995
I assume you mean Freeder Bug, though I wouldn't call the girl in it a Rei clone

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