What does /m/ think of Lain?

>>14124701
pretty good

AYY

>>14124701
4 eps in, has nothing going for it

GitS with out the cyborg special forces action.

>>14124701
My very first anime and Lain Has been my only waifu ever

Stupid and pretentious. Not fun pretentious just dumb pretentious.
Only pushed so hard on 4chan because the lead is a little lesbian girl.

>>14124810
Or rather you'd say that GITS is just Lain without the surreal narrative, distubing atmosphere and psychological depth.

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>>14124813
LET'S ALL LOVE LAIN
not /m/ though

>>14124822
Doesn't work that way, idiot.

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>>14124827
http://fauux.neocities.org/lovelain.html

>>14124863
Doesn't work your way either, each show has unique aspects the other doesn't have.

>>14124827
>/m/
But lain is /m/

>>14124701
It was interesting, but pretty boring for the most part.

Great Opening, silly lesbian ending.

The dude who made it also confessed that it was an attempt to troll the international cartoon-watching community. It naturally failed because he was a dumbass who didn't cogitize that him and all the folks into scifi refer to the same international standard canon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-PkAQcuZOw

>>14124827
But /m/ is one of the few anime that deal with cyberpunk and transhumanism competently

>>14124893
Nice joke.

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>>14124893
>*But Lain is one of the few /m/ anime
Jesus fuck how did I eat nearly a whole sentence?

>>14124827
>>14124901
Computers aren't mechanisms?

>>14124891
>the international cartoon-watching community. It naturally failed because he was a dumbass who didn't cogitize that him and all the folks into scifi refer to the same international standard canon.

The fuck are you talking about?

>>14124701
Much better than GitS

>>14125052
The director's on the record saying that he deliberately tried to make Lain THE JAPANESEST EVER so that the non-japanese online community would be rused into not getting it. His idea was that that would spark a fan-war between the japanese and the rest of the world's online communities, but he then added that his plan sadly and inexplicably didn't work out on account of nobody being particularily mystfied by the series' content.

>>14125118
What? That's a wild fucking misinterpretation

>>14125118
And your proof of this is where?

>>14124701
I liked it.
basically Art Bell the series, minus Bigfoots
if you know your crazy shit of its time period there's some interesting crunchy bits

Best way to watch it is late at night by yourself on a laptop.

>>14125132
>>14125129
That's what he said in an interview. I read it online somwhere probably over a decade ago, so you can probably hunt it down via search engines and the wayback machine.

>>14125152
>claims something outrageous
>does not give source to said outrageous clam

Forgive me if I don't believe you.

>>14125161
Source is on the internet, so you don't have to believe me.

>>14124821
It always amuses me how people are quick to yell "it's pretentious". Anything that requires the use of your brain is called that nowadays. Well I suppose most just watch anime for the cute girls.

>>14125166
Yes, because there is no way it could be pretentious. Must be them damned moefags.

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>>14125177
>implying Lain isn't moe

>>14125118
Are you fucking retarded, he said he wanted the East and West to reach different conclusions to the anime and ignite discussions about, nothing of trolling or fan war, how fucking underage are you?

>>14125177
Well I'll take pretentious any day over whatever Symphogear is supposed to be. It is nice to watch something slow and oldschool.

>>14125195
Only girl I know who can build a computer.

I don't like it.

It's very, VERY boring from what I've seen of it. I gave it the four episode test run, and it wasn't appealing throughout.

>>14125245
>[CURENT DAY]
>[CURRENT TIME]
>not loving Lain.
Stick to Aldnoah.Zero

>>14125177
Could you explain how the work is pretentious?

I'm genuinely curious because I've only seen a few things I'd consider actually pretentious and they're all documentaries.

>>14125283
Pretentious can stand for different things:
- The narrative was too complex for me
- I disagree with the themes and morals of the work
- The visual design was unique and creative

I'd suspect it was the first one in this case.

>>14124701
I didn't like it

>>14124701
Top ten anime of the nineties, maybe even top five.

>>14125826
Top five of all time you mean.

>>14125414
I'm pretty sure it only stand for one thing, and that is
>Attempting to impress by affecting greater importance, talent, culture, etc., than is actually possessed
It's nice to see the /lit/cucks in here going full force with their undeserved superiority complex though.

>>14126093
I think his is what it means because it's what it means. I'm still wondering how Lain is pretentious

I just don't see it. Someone wanted to tell a story and they did. It has nice art and powerlines.

Is storytelling pretentious?

Also, I think you'd have meant /lit/-rejects since anything animated/filmed etc. is beneath /lit/.

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>>14124880
Shit tier. Homepage soundtrack doesn't work, jump is weak, second page's soundtrack has too much dead space in the sound, and the hidden message is way too easy to see.

>>14126433
>powerlines
Nice fuck up of plotlines there

>>14126568
But it had great powerlines.

>>14124822
How DARE you speak ill of the masterpiece that is GITS!?!?! HOW DARE YOU. /s

>>14126568
>Nice fuck up of plotlines there
>implying

Lain's got that wonderful appeal of the hum of the powerlines. Did you even watch the show?

>>14126433
>lso, I think you'd have meant /lit/-rejects since anything animated/filmed etc. is beneath /lit/.
We actually had an anime thread about a month ago.

What is the best BD release for Lain?

>>14124701

it's more cyber-punk than /m/.

>>14126687
I love both, though Lain more. But GITS doesn't have those traits which makes the work appeal to me more.
>>14127328
GITS, Macross Plus and Metrozone 23 are also cyberpunk.

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>>14124701
It was pretty good. I like how it is set in the real world, not a post-apocalyptic future or some such landscape. For me, it gives me more context on whats going on and helps me relate more.

>>14125166
>>14125414
>>14126433
I reckon "shallow" is a more sensible word to use in this instance. You can't use "pretentious" without getting people like you guys getting anal over semantics and arguing over it being a buzzword or not as if this has to do with anything.

It's apt enough here I think, SEL is "shallow" in the sense that it makes your standard comments on the internet/virtualization decaying the sense of individual identity over a fleshless/immortal consciousness that every other cyperpunk series ever also does, and does little else. No it wasn't more unique at the time, this was the "cool" theme to use in Japanese fiction in general during the late 90s/early 00s even.

Being shallow doesn't automatically make it bad though. Granted SEL has little else going for it beyond an interesting atmosphere and a cute girl main character so it's actually a pretty solid reason to dislike the series in my opinion.

>>14127328
Cyberpunk is /m/ though

>>14129258
>this was the "cool" theme to use in Japanese fiction in general during the late 90s/early 00s even.

Post five examples that are close to saying the things SEL said

>>14129258
I think Lain was one of the earlier ones to have these themes in a more grounded setting though
There was a lot of gritty body-horror type stuff and a lot of futuristic city-setting type stuff amongst the Japanese cyberpunk scene, but not much in the vein or style of Lain I think?

>>14124701
'Twas good, but honestly it takes about 2-3 watchthroughs to catch everything, a slight pet peeve of mine. But, at least every missed detail expounds on the plot.

>>14129258
>I reckon "shallow" is a more sensible word to use in this instance
Ok, so can you explain how some specific scenes in Lain are shallow instead of just making blanket statements?

Really, the word you're looking for is stilted, not pretentious or shallow.

This is the only anime that legitimately creeped me out. I fucking love Lain, but there is a very nauseating and disturbing undercurrent throughout the entire show.

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>>14136025
Tell me about it.

Have you seen Ergo Proxy?

>>14125283
>>14125283
Yeah I didn't think Lain was pretentious. It was obtuse and weird but it didn't seem to put on any airs about how "important" it was.

There's only a couple anime I've seen that I'd describe as genuinely pretentious, like GITS 2 or Kara no Kyoukai (5th movie is great though.)

>>14137215
KnK's epilogue was trash. I turned it off.

>>14137219
B-but the snow was so pretty. Better than that bloated fucking mess of a 7th film.

>>14137231
>bloated
Just reminded me of how the version I downloaded was 57GB or so for a single film. I can't imagine why except if it was a literal BD raw with subs plastered on. But it did look very pretty.

>>14137231
TEN TIMES AS STRONG

I enjoyed the 7th flick, but I really think it should've ended in a double suicide.

So Shiki kills the rabid dude, breaking her "code" because she thought he anchor was kill. Turns out Kokutou was alive so she freaks and kills herself. Kokutou hangs himself because he was a bitch boy or something.

It'd need a little fine tuning.

>>14137244
>killed Souren in a fit of violent rage
>hurr it doesn't count cause he was old as balls, dude magical weed lmao

Fuck that movie.

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>>14137277
DUDE magical weed LMAO

>>14137277
>>killed Souren in a fit of violent rage
He wasn't a human :DDDD
A S U
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Lain

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>>14124701
OP, You don't even understand

>>14125280
>current
>not present
It's like you didn't even watch the show, anon.

>>14147483
It's like you didn't even get the joke, anon.

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>>14147483
It's a meme, ya dip.

I enjoyed it. Maybe moreso being a CS-dweeb and growing up around computers the same time Lain was coming out.

most of all I want to bully her boipussy

>>14129258
>standard comments on the internet/virtualization decaying the sense of individual identity over a fleshless/immortal consciousness

>doesn't understand the themes of the show
>calls it shallow

>>14147642
I disagree with him, but for the sake of interest, could you share your take on the show?

>>14147633
>her
>boipussy
Not how it works anon

>>14124701
>What does /m/ think of Lain?
lall

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>>14126433
>I think you'd have meant /lit/-rejects since anything animated/filmed etc. is beneath /lit/.
Shut the fuck up, anime is great.

- regards, /lit/

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>>14149446

>>14124701
Having finished it yesterday, I can safely say it is 1/10 territory. It is literally comparable to garbage like Valvrave. Also

>lesbians

Evidence please?

>>14151758
>I can safely say it is 1/10 territory. It is literally comparable to garbage like Valvrave
Literally 2 deep 4 u

baka desu senpai

Was one of the earliest shows I watched, dropped it near the end because it got boring. Plan to get back to it someday, probably won't.

>>14151758
Kill yourself.

>>14124701
I remember watching it. I thought it was 9/10 when I first watched it, but the more I watched it it became more 8/10 for me. Shit gets a little too weird at the end, but it's still enjoyable for the most part.

>>14151758
I second >>14152029's proposal

>>14151758
Valvrager and his shit taste strikes again!

>>14147458
A shame you seemed an honest man

>>14152237
Valvrager talks about himself to frame another anon!

I marathoned it a few days ago and I can't even say it was amazing. It just absolutely loved it. I am a huge sucker for these types of shows. I probably didn't get everything but its definitely a show I will come back to multiple times.

>>14156853
What kind of shows?

>>14155800
And all the things you hold so dear

>>14158840
why the hell did you revive a topic that was about to be pruned?

>>14157193
Not sure how to describe it in general but some shows that have a similar vibe to it would be Paranioa Agent and Ghost Hound.

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>>14149446
What a weird fashion choice

Gay as fuck

It was good until I realized all the interesting ideas and concepts that were introduced in one episode get completely ignored and forgotten in the next. Pretty much everything that was said and done was just for show with no substance behind it, all the vague and cryptic dialogue had no meaning behind it and all the characters felt like lifeless husks.

It's the fucking modern art of anime. Only pretentious airheads will pretend that there's anything more to it.

Also that random yuri bullshit that came out of left field at the end

>>14151758
1/10 is way too generous. Even Valvrave had an actual plot. Lain is just pretty colors and 90s computer lingo with no actual meaning.

>>14152093
I remember the first time I watched it I gave it a 9/10, when I rewatched it I could already overcome my confusion and focus on the visual direction and narrative construction. It became a 10/10.

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>>14159677
>>14159699
Nice digits though

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I love the style, atmosphere and all that. Personally I feel like most of the philosphical shit in the show was just kind of thrown in and doesn't blend well with the other philosophical shit. It alludes to a bunch of famous ideas but doesn't really seem to conclude much.
That said, I would've liked it less if it didn't have the pointless namedropping of existential philosophies because that shit is very much part of the mood the show is going for. It's a nice 2deep4me experience.

>>14161446
Is it Evangelion-level pretentious, or is it worse or better for that matter? I haven't seen it yet.

>>14158840
Will come to whisper in your ear

>>14169026
>epic mime lol

How about toy stick to getting anally rearmed by big bubba Trayvon

>>14127304
Anybody knows?