Why does the ZZ Gundam transform?

>>14119695

From what I've read, they seemed to want to replicate the G-Fighter combinations. But instead of needing a separate fighter craft, they just have those modules be the Gundam itself.

>>14119695
It's cool

>>14119695
It's a case of too many ideas going on at once. It's cool, but it's still weird.

>So, we had a Zeta.... what would the successor be?
>Zeta made a space shuttle, so the ZZ has to be cooler
>What if we make it more tanklike?
>What if we ape the Corefighter from the RX-78-2?
>What if instead of core-fighter parts its the Gundams built out of the G-Fighter?

Seriously, this is design by committee check-all-the-boxes stuff.

>>14119745
Maybe they had plans for bigger production in-universe? Ala the Victory Gundam.

>>14119745
ZZ was the original Strike Freedom.

>>14119746
And why would the core fighter help that? It just complicates the design. The GM and MP ZZ both remove the transforming aspect of the base unit. Don't be retarded.

>>14119746
>>14119747
>>14119757

Well, the one benefit to the ZZ is that the whole thing can make a combined fighter unit, and each piece can be piloted with a different corefighter. In cases where a full mobilesuit is unnecessary or a liability, it's an easy way of multiplying your combat ability.

Honestly, I think the lore explanation is that Anaheim was dicking around and wondered how far they could take this concept. The ZZ is probably the truest experimental Gundam in the UC timeline up to its release - it has the craziest design specs between the transformation system and the head-mounted particle cannon that, I seem to recall, can overheat and warp its own face.

>>14119695
it was more like a testbed unit for new technology. they realized how unpractical it was and the idea went unused until Victory.

>>14119772
>head-mounted particle cannon that, I seem to recall, can overheat and warp its own face.

how powerful was the ZZ's mega particle cannon compare to the one on sazabi?

>>14119785
And even then, the Victory was enabled by the Bawoo's independent boots. Having the top and bottom sections fly remotely, if needed, did a lot for making the Victory a thing.

Shrinking the suits, improving the alloys, and thinning the armor also helped tremendously.

>>14119789
Apparently Sazabi's mega particle cannon is 8.8 MW and it's a scatter design. ZZ uses a high-mega particle cannon. 50 MW.

>>14119695
Cause Macross ripped off gundam, so gundam took it back.

>>14119794
Addendum. ZZ's reactor is 7340 kW while Sazabi's is about half that, 3960 kW.

So, yeah, ZZ wins hands-down in terms of power output.

Smoking too much of that Lunar Weed at Anaheim Electronics.

>>14119799
Gundam reactor power is laughably small.

Should be 7340 Mega Watts.

The engine of a ww2 fighter plane generates 1000 Kilo Watts.

>break up into three smaller craft to make for smaller, more agile targets and more easily slip behind enemy lines

>combine into G-Fortress mode to get a lot more forward thrust

>then transform into MS mode to really wreck shit

ZZ's actually a really cool design.

Like all transformations, the actual point of the G-Fortress is to arrange all of the thrusters in one direction for maximum acceleration.

Why this was needed when the ZZ is already covered in thrusters, to the point Judau never even needed the G-Fortress? Because Anaheim just threw in fucking everything to the ZZ because why not.

Other then that, the upside to having the ZZ be able to split into three is that it effectively has three power plants. This is how it fuels it massive weapons. Whether "this thing has multiple power plants, let's make it be able to split up to" or "this thing can split up, let's take advantage of that to give it stupid powerful weapons" came first is something only a manual could tell us.

Spoilers: Nobody is ever going to translate the MG ZZ's manual.

>>14119807
Yeah, units of measurement in anything Japanese are a joke. Like the pokemon that are the size of small buildings yet weigh a few dozen pounds, or the fire snail that's hotter than the sun.

>>14119789
The ZZ's isn't a normal megaparticle cannon.

It's a "High Mega Cannon". And it's fairly different in power and function from Sazabi's megaparticle gun. Teh Sazabi's is a scatering type that acts as a sort of shotgun, meant to hit a wide area, and it's much weaker than than the ZZ's high mega cannon.

ZZ's High mega cannon
https://youtu.be/EvH2HL3ihec?t=52s

Sazabi's scattering gun.
https://youtu.be/pT6baMkPffs?t=38s

There is a clear difference in power and animation of the beams showing their difference in functions.

Also, I love these official videos.

>>14119799
It should be noted that the ZZ gundam has two reactors.

>>14119813
Just remember, (In the original games at least) the pokedex entries are supposed to be being filled in by the player as it observes pokemon they've captured. And the player is a 10 year old kid who has an elementary school education at best.

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>>14119814
To put things in perspective, there's only one weapon in CCA-era as powerful as the ZZ's High Mega Cannon.

It's the Nu HWS's fuck huge gun.

>>14119820
Nope, the HWS' gun is even stronger.

Its shield cannons though, yeah they're the same strength as the ZZ's head gun. That's why it's called the High Mega Shield.

>>14119812
>Other then that, the upside to having the ZZ be able to split into three is that it effectively has three power plants. This is how it fuels it massive weapons.
I just can't see how combining suit parts can work perfectly so effortlessly. Parts can be added/ejected at a moments notice, yet all of the power cable and other connectors are rock solidly sealed to work together and supply power to the whole suit? The fact that we only ever see the combination sequence from the outside doesn't help either.

>>14119745

IIRC the earlier design concept for the ZZ is supposed to be split into A B parts without the core fighter more akin to the Bawoo. Even in the earlier Kobayashi rough draft, the top fighter would have the arms folded in like ZZ and the waist would be part of the bottom fighter. This is why this current version with the core fighter as an afterthought looks wierd.

>>14119848
You have to understand that the engineers of the many Gundam universes are literally superhuman.

Like, in ZZ? One dude was in charge of all of the MS on the Argama. He did it perfectly, and even managed to install the Full Armor parts to the ZZ in a single night.Suits

>>14119794
IIRC, isn't one of the explanations that the power ratings is just the amount of power used to fire the weapon? That hand-held weapons use less power because they have internal modules that already store megaparticles but need the reactor draw to activate and expel them, whereas mounted weapons that are wired to the reactor have greater draw because they don't have such e-caps?

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It was all set up so we could have Tryon 3 almost 30 years later.

>>14119695
Because in the 80's if it wasn't more than meets the eye it wasn't worth your time

>>14119695
The real world reason? To make it as Toyetic as possible.

The ZZ's design is intended to make it "the coolest toy robot ever!"

>colorful
>combine
>transform
>armed to the teeth
>80s kid show
Are you guys new?
To sell toys of course.

>>14120037
>The coolest toy robot ever!

Applies for the in-universe explanation aswell

>>14119695
Because Zeta went "you know what should transform? EVERYTHING"
ZZ was kinda better in that regard, but seeing how the ZZ itself was a direct following from the Zeta...
It gets stuck in MS mode when it goes FA anyway.

>>14120077
Here's the thing that bothers me: we get a combiner bot, it has multiple sub-modules, but they almost never get to fight in a meaningful way on their own. They just kinda zoom around trying to beat the baddie and failing, then combine and stomp it. It's disappointing.

ZZ was exactly that - the fighter modes never really accomplish shit, but the moment they combine suddenly those guns can actually do damage.

>>14120125
That's because while separated it's piloted by AI/Support characters and it's plot armor is split into thirds.
When combined, it'd piloted directly by the Protagonist and has it's full plot armor.

>>14119695
They wanted Macross' audiences.

ZZ Gundam is my favorite main suit design. It's just /awesome/.

>>14120744

They already did that with Zeta.

>>14121334
>They already did that with Zeta.

They already did that with the tv series Gundam 0079. Or did we forget that Amuro's Gundam was transformable ?

>>14119974
The scatter-gun is waist-mounted while the ZZ's HMPC is mounted in the head. That's all internal power.

>>14121377
ZZ's high mega cannon is Newtype powered.

>>14121364

I wouldn't say that (or ZZs) is the same as Macross, since that's parts-forming, rather transforming.

>>14119820
>>14119823
with guns like these, who needs funnels?

>>14121393
RX-78 was a combiner, not a transformer.
ZZ, however, could split into A and B parts *and* could transform into G-Fortress mode.

The REAL question is "Why was Judau always in a lone Core Fighter just to swap places with the other Core Fighter?"
As difficult as it may be to defend deploying ZZ in two parts, it never made sense that the pilot didn't deploy in one of those two parts.

>>14124483
>As difficult as it may be to defend deploying ZZ in two parts, it never made sense that the pilot didn't deploy in one of those two parts.
Didn't the ZZ deploy combined on more than one occasion?

But yeah, the lone corefighter was always a bit odd. Then again, you never knew what Judau was going to do. Guy took the Zeta when he thought it was a better fit for him.

>>14124489
I think right after they figured out how to transform into the G-Fortress mode while hanging from cables in the hangar they left it that way for an episode or two. I can kinda see the possible advantages of deploying it as two fighters instead of a lone fighter. Amuro went out scouting and other things in the Core Fighter several times so it made sense when he needed to upgrade to Gundam mode but he also deployed as the already-assembled Gundam more often.

Impulse, on the other hand, existed only to eat up screen time with reused animation. Every single time Shinn went out he combined as soon as he was outside the dock, with the launch-combination sequence often killing two whole minutes.

>>14124502
Impulse got the cave and the fight with Freedom to justify its gimmick.

>>14119813
>the pokemon that are the size of small buildings

Only things that are like this either weigh about a ton, are snakes or at least snake-like, or are Wailord, which is a blimp and thus weighs a lot less than it should. Most Pokémon are actually really fucking small.

>>14124440
Funnels are more numerous, more maneuverable, and can flank things for you. As big a gun as ZZ's is, if your enemy is on the other side of Axis, you're not shooting it with your gun, but with Funnels you can.

The G-Fortress mode can fly in the atmosphere.

As for why it splits, that's a completely different issue.

>>14124542
It justifies the gimmick, but not sending it out in three pieces every single time. If Shinn was scouting in the Core Splendor and found trouble, it would make sense to send the parts out to him for mid-air-conversion like Amuro. When Impulse is damaged, it makes sense to send out replacement parts. But when you already know, as they always did, that you're going straight into combat it makes no sense to store and launch Impulse in some-assembly-required mode (unless you're just trying to save 2 minutes on the animation budget every week).

>>14124489
After they got into Nahel Argama. it always deployed as combined MS.

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>>14124502
Everyone knows transformation scenes are the best part of anime.

>>14119819
>the pokedex entries are supposed to be being filled in by the player
That's only ever been a fan theory.

>>14119848
It isn't that out there. All the cabling and wires probably go to a segmented hard-point that is designed to detach easily.

It's just a matter of having the two parts having a place to connect.

>>14124768
Perhaps, OR you could shoot THROUGH axis with said fuck huge gun?

>>14131042
Best answer, fuck Axis.

>>14119785
Did it really get unused? I recall there being a FAZZ in Sentinel (and something about FAZZ != FA ZZ, which was just confusing).

>>14131094
The FAZZ can't separate. Hell the FAZZ has none of the ZZ's standard loadout, it's all just for show. That's why it has the giant beam cannon.

And yes, the FA ZZ is the proper acronym for the Full Armor Double Zeta Gundam. The FAZZ is the prototype for the FA ZZ.

>>14131094
We're still talking about the transformation right? From what I remember, the armor of Sentinel's FAZZ is fixed and can't be purged/removed, and thus stuck in MS mode. So the transformation and combination gimmick really got unused outside of Judau's unit.