Ghost in the Shell

>>14113372
Manga: No pretentious stuff but Shirow is a weird guy all on his own. Fun and the Major is genki.

GitS: Claim to fame. Beautiful and 2deep4u, typical of the director by now. If you're aware of Oshii's storytelling style then it's pretty good. If you hate him then you don't have to think, just look at the pretty cyberpunk pictures. Every sequel and other adaption wishes it was GitS so they come out looking like they're plagiarized just a bit.

SAC: Again, it's different. It's more focused on Section 9 stopping bad guys and shit. Cool.

Arise: Haven't seen it.

>>14113394
Thanks anon, downloading all that, then will start with the original movies, manga and then SAC and Arise.

>>14113405
Hint: There's a reason why SAC and 2nd Gig are the most popular spinoffs.

>>14113405
Oh, and when he says "the manga" he means the original manga, and Human Error Processor.

Man-Machine Interface IS pretentious and it's a big piece of shit.

By the way don't take the dialogue in the movie too seriously, it's only relevant to Motoko's situation.

>>14113415
Is Man-Machine Interface the one where Shirow goes crazy with CG models?

>>14113423
Yes. The story is actually quite simple and makes sense, but there's so much technobabble everywhere, it's hard to follow the first time.

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Just started the manga,the mayor is kinda cute and tomboyish (without regarding the lesbian VR drug induced part)

>>14113485
Technobabble AND nonsensical freudian/existential shit that's out of place.

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>>14113503
Enjoy it while it lasts, at the end of the manga she's pretty dull. Still not as dull as in the animated versions.

>>14113372
horsecocks

>>14113517
took you long enough.

>>14113508
>>14113503

Interestingly, her drop in genkiness coincides with her hairstyle getting sleeker and less fluffy.

floof is directly proportional to fun.

>>14113508
>>14113551
Why the sudden change in personality, is something related to the events or simply Shirow going for a more "Stoic" Mayor?

>>14113558
not really a sudden change but it's noticeable.
She does go through a few weird experiences but it's not like she was naive or innocent in the beginning, so I just think Shirow just sort of happened to end up making her more tacticool and serious over time.
You gotta keep in mind that Ghost in the Shell is mostly just an excuse for Shirow to just show and write everything that goes through his mind, not a coherent story.
If he somehow just lost interest in the Major as a person and preferred to focus on his ideas instead, it'd explain why she eventually boiled down to an irrational plot device and sock puppet.

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>>14113558
>>14113503
>mayor
VOTE KUSANAGI 2032!
MAKE TOKYO GREAT AGAIN!
POLICE BRUTALITY FOR EVERYONE!

>>14113581
She's got my vote.

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>>14113581
DID SOMEONE SAY POLICE BRUTALITY?

>tfw Appleseed will never have a good anime

The 80's OVA came out at just the right time yet it still ended up being shit.

Also, download his other manga like the batshit crazy Black Magic manga that makes no real sense.

>>14114070
That thread was so much fun.

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>>14113572
OP here, Finishing the first manga and after the Puppeteer arc, I kinda get why she changed to a more robot-like personlity, she went in a hell of an acid trip in that IA's "mind". Even her way of talking changed from a bit rash to a more precise and cold way like you can see in pic related.

>>14114291
Puppetmaster: not even once.
In the movie it's even more likely that the puppetmaster is manipulating her and taking advantage of her vulnerable state of mind.

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>>14114291
>>14114306
>NOT EVEN ONCE

>>14114306
>>14114310
So, then is Shirow being Shirow instead of the explanation of the Puppeteer?

>>14114291
Don't forget that the puppetmaster is literally a virus. If I recall right, in the manga it downloads itself into Motoko's brain and then only later gets her to fuse with it. So it's likely that in the meantime, it was still there, influencing her.

>>14114321
Probably both.

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OP here again, what was that ending for the love of god?, where should I go now? should I watch the first movie or go straight to the other manga?

>>14114366
If you found the ending of the manga pretentious and confusing in any way. For the love of god avoid the Oshii movies.

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>>14114366
the ending seems pretty clear. When you listen to the puppetmaster, you become Michael Jackson.

You can read 1.5 but it's not related to that plot, it's more down-to-earth investigation work. And it's not finished.

I'd suggest just watching the movie. The ending isn't conclusive either, but since it's kind of a thriller/horror movie, inconclusiveness is okay as long as it spooks you.

>>14114366
Avoid the other manga. They lack everything that make the first one great. Even the art is ruined with extensive CGI.

>>14114373
I don't think Oshii's movie is meant to tell the viewer anything. It's just the story of an angsty freaky girl who comes in contact with an electronic vampire who fucks with her mind (both literally and figuratively) to achieve his own goals. That's why you can't get any clear message from it.

>>14114384
There's always 1.5, you know.

>>14114373
I wouldn't call it pretentious or confusing more like it was 2muchshithappening and a lot of infodump to process in so "little time", I get that fusing with the Puppeteer was the only option that Motoko had and in the end it will make her like a portable "collective consciousness", or I am getting all wrong here?

>>14114399
It's left ambiguous. The whole movie is spooky, giving us a clear answer would have been way less unnerving.

>>14114405
So the movie goes along in the same pace and result that the manga with the Puppeteer arc then?, I was speaking about the manga end.

>>14114380
>>14114384

1.5 is bretty good

>>14114411
Nice palindrome get there.

>>14114410
Yeah, it's a tighter retelling of the puppetmaster arc with a few other scenes from the manga spliced in to make it a little more coherent.

The big difference is the tone. Because the manga is more light-hearted, all the existential dialog and horrific events are just here for their own sake, they're very gratuitous, but in the movie they fit the purpose of a thriller, which is to creep you out.

I wouldn't go so far as to compare it with a Cronenbergian movie but the general approach is reminiscent.

>>14114420
If you think gits 1 is at all spooky, don't watch the sequel

>>14114429
>gits1 isn't spooky
It very much is, it's just that it's a subtler kind of spooky than what we usually get from horror movies (until the machine gore kicks in, that is). Hence my reference to Cronenberg.

But yes, Innocence is basically a gross caricature of the first movie to the point where it throws jumpscares at you.

>>14114438
Sorry, it really isn't spooky. Name dropping doesn't really prove a point either.

>>14114438
>It very much is
If you're a fucking pussy, maybe.

>>14114644
rekt

>>14114644
>it really isn't spooky
it really is. Not only because it features gore and dismemberment, but also because the characters are designed to be uncanny and because everything is filmed in a cold, alien and menacing way. And obviously there's the general theme of alienation, manipulation and control. People are being toyed with and it's really not played in a comedic or light way.
Just because there's a vague poetry to it doesn't make it any less creepy.

And name dropping can help someone realize what he missed by offering him something to compare it to.

>>14114655
>>14114644
>brainwashing, body horror and loss of individuality depicted in a graphic and dramatic way doesn't scare you
>you're a pussy
way to miss the point of a film.

Now I understand why Oshii had to throw jumpscares into Innocence.

>>14114663

And those are all handled poorly, how shocking.

>>14114663
If it is, then why am I not spooked by it?

You've been pushing this for a few months. It's not going to catch on.

>>14114666
wew

It's almost like tons and tons of non horror or thriller movies use these when they need to accentuate a particular scene.

>>14114673
>>14114668
So what are you arguing? That it's a bad horror thriller or that it's not a horror thriller?

>>14113372

WHERE ARE HER FUCKIN NIPPLES AND VAGINA. WERE THEY ERASED BY CYBER STUFF OR SOME SHIT

>>14114673
>It's almost like tons and tons of non horror or thriller movies use these when they need to accentuate a particular scene.

Sparingly and exceptionally. Not consistently throughout their entirety to the point where it sets it apart from the bulk of sci-fi.

>>14114721
pfft

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The new movie was pretty fun

>>14114738
So was it a prequel?

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first movie motoko best motoko.

>>14113503
>left to right
I legit couldn't read this for like a minute.

>>14114742
>emotoko
>bestoko
nope

>>14114666
I understand the themes very well, I just don't find them scary. Honestly I find the idea of being kidnapped and locked into a machine that copies your soul into doll bodies until nothing is left of the original more scary than anything in the original.
But hey whatever, maybe you're just a pussy.

>>14114775
Oh don't get me wrong it's also a very scary prospect.

But if you don't find the mere idea of brainwashing scary then I can only be sorry for you. Or maybe you have a fetish for it I dunno?

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>>14114741
>So was it a prequel?

It was always a prequel. The younger Motoko didn't tip you off to that?

Whether it's directly tied to anything else is up for grabs though

>>14114775
Funny how in the manga it turned out the robots didn't have souls at all, the girls whose brain patterns were being copied just asked a programmer to sneak a few lines of code into them so that they'd go apeshit, in order to get the cops to investigate on the company and have them freed.

>>14114802
Ayyy

>>14114791
It's not a prequel.

S.A.C. Major got cyborg'd after a plane crash.
Arise Major was born a cyborg after being ripped from her dying mother's womb following a chemical accident.

>>14115007
to the movie we mean
if so it's a pretty lame prequel

>>14115015
Well, remember that Arise also apes the scene from the end of SSS.

It's just its own thing with studio mandated fanservice.

It's also the best iteration of animated Motoko in everything save character design

>>14115053
and backstory

>>14114683
>That it's a bad horror thriller
I don't even need to argue this.
>it's not a horror thriller
It isn't. It just has these elements.

>>14115082
And character.

>original manga
The quintessential GitS experience. Read it.

>Man Machine Interface
Pretentious shit.

>GitS the movie
Visually stunning and pretty good on its own. 2.0 ruins the visuals by putting a Deus Ex Human Revolution-style piss filter over everything

>Innocence
Pretentious shit. About half the dialogue is directly quoted from Nietzsche.

>SAC
The most "mainstream" entry. Pretty good in its own right as a more action-focused anime.

>2nd Gig
Still decent, but not as good as the first season. Individual Eleven stuff is nowhere near as interesting as Laughing Man.

>Solid State Society
Standard follow-up. It's alright.

>Arise
Not even pretentious shit. Just shit.

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>>14115082

Oh what you gonna sit there an say she the lame as plane crash was better? The concept of cyborg fetus is both horrifying and really interesting for the setting

>>14115303

at least she has one. SAC was just her being "PROCEDURE PROCEDURE PROCEDURE IM THE BESTEST AT EVERYTHING EVER AND ALL THE WRITERS WANT TO FUCK ME"

at least Arise has a goal. like the movie you can't have a Major without some kind of personal stake. In the movie and manga she was questioning identity. In Arise she was looking for independence.

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The New Movie had some pretty gorgeous city visuals as well

>>14115320
>>Solid State Society
>alright

Bait of the highest order.

>>14115354
Agreed, the only reason anyone might like this is because of
>feels

>>14115354
It wasn't too bad. Hardly the best thing with the GitS name on it but hardly Arise-tier.

>>14115391
What's so bad about Arise other than Motoko looking bad?

Narrative is clean, acting is great, animation is top notch.

Manga Motoko > SAC Motoko > Oshii Motoko = Arise Motoko

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>>14115426

>>14115399
But those are all awful things about it. Other than maybe the voice acting it's all pretty bad.

>>14115426
I think Dark Horse got Shirow to personally redraw a panel that happened before the cut scene. So at least it wasn't unilateral.

>>14115881
Yeah, Shirow actually helped alter the English version so it was still coherent in the censored version.

>>14114749
I was sleep deprived when I read this, so imagine my confunsion when I started it, only after 5 minutes I went "oh is like my amurikan comisz"

>>14115881
Wasn't the version of Dark Horse uncensored?, I mean the lesbian vr sex was there so dunno what they did censor if they did it in the first place.

>>14115454
Indeed. What The Fuck.

Damn, that New Dominion rip could use a V2 with color correction. Fuck, it was so much work.

>>14115952

It was uncensored when the manga was rereleased in 2004.

>>14115426
What's the context for this scene?

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>>14115952
First version came out without the lesbo orgy.

>>14116054
Same as horsecocks I suppose?

>>14115399
>What's so bad about Arise other than Motoko looking bad?

SAC babies now think they can throw their weight around

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But how do you feel about this, /m/?

>>14117730
I hope it does gangbusters because of all the hilarity that will ensue if it does

>>14117730
She looks nothing like the major, and it's a hollywood movie so into the trash it goes.

>>14117891
Kill yourself /r9k/ weeb

>>14113407
Not really, and no.

>>14117907
Fucking mewfag. Do you even know what a weeaboo is? It's not a fucking badge of honor that says "I watch anime". It's an insult.

>>14117931
Do you even know what weeaboo means without looking it up on KnowYourMeme?

>>14117744
I hope it does gangbusters so that capeshit will die and a new age of Kaiju Cinema and Mangakino will rise. I want me fucking Gundam movie for the 40th anniversary in 2019 with Neill Blumkamp directing it, damn it.

>>14117931
It's also what every single last person here is. If anybody here is the newfag, it seems to be you.

>>14117942
>Mangakino
What does a town have to do with anything?

>>14117941
>>14117943
So every here wishes they were Japanese, thinks everything Japan does is superior to the rest of the world, and curses their non Japanese heritage?

Fucking newfags need to lurk before posting.

>>14116054
>>14116065
Anyone have context for diaper scene?

>>14117957
Yes, including you. You should really consider lurking more before you start posting.

>>14117964
What do you think a weeaboo is retard? I'd love to know what the kids think it means. It's not something to be proud you fucking faggot.

>>14115391
Arise is better than the whole of SAC bar the Laughing Man arc. There's less spoonfeeding (i.e. monologues that make no sense in story, since the characters are spelling out shit to the audience) so the story is more immersive, and the narrative is a lot more relevant and believable as a near future issue (techno-economic protectionism vs. globalism) than most side stories or the 2nd GIG main arc (again, with the exception of the Laughing Man arc). Plus, the animation quality is plain better.

S.A.C. babbies can go fuck themselves.

In any case, Oshii's first film is still by far the best take on the franchise. Original manga close second.

>>14117979
No shit, doesn't make any of us here less of one.

>>14117979
Lurk the fuck more.

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Report and move on. Is it seriously that hard?!

>>14117949
It's a /tv/ paedo meme, pay it no mind.

>>14117730
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1219827/fullcredits?ref_=tt_cl_sm#cast


>mfw the fucking guys who did Ghost Rider Spirit of Vengeance and the Tekken movie are signed on

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>>14118019
>He's only been here since 2010
So you admit to being a newfag.

Nice.

>>14118019
>A weeaboo is a faggot who takes their obsession to the extreme
Like you and everyone else on this board. You really need to calm down.

>>14118032
So you're sick of yourself misusing the word. Nobody to blame but yourself in that case.

>>14118032
We aren't misusing it newfag. We know we're weeaboos and you can't change a damn thing about it.

>B-b-b-but it's an insult!
You make it sound like it's the same as screaming nigger.

Its kinda like starwars and not meant to be watched in chronological order anyway.

But pure timeline wise, Arise is "first", cant remember if its a reboot though

>tfw I enjoy anime, and though I have a cursory knowledge of Japanese history and culture, don't really think I'd ever consider trading my American status for anything.

I mean, I know a ton more about Russian arts, history, and culture, but I don't wanna be Russian.

I've always understood weebs to be those who were really interested in turning Japanese I really think so. It's always been something of a pejorative in my mind, but I mean, calling someone a weeb here of all places is like going to a Red Sox home game and telling everyone they're Red Sox fans--people will probably agree.

Anyways, someone that watches anime isn't necessarily a weeb. Don't know why that anon is sperging out, but oh well.

>>14118085
It would have to be a reboot. It might could work within the movie timeline, but there's enough continuity discrepancy that it should just be it's own thing.
>>14117980
I don't know why nobody can really answer my question as to what's wrong with it with the same level that you answered just what went right.

>>14118097
Same here. I enjoy Japanese entertainment like anime and JRPGs.

But there is no way I want to be Japanese or live there. I'm fine with where I am.

>>14118013
>paedo meme
Has nothing to do with paedos, m8.

It was originally a bait/troll for redditors.

Thanks t a couple years of forcing it, followed by an extremely big push that BvS was going to save capeshit and usher in a new era of "capekino" the meme finally went somewhat mainstream.

>>14114380
1.5 was what Shirow started 2 out with, but he changed his vision and basically started over after those chapters had already been serialized, which is why they weren't in the tankoubon.

I'd recommend Man-Machine Interface for anyone who can tolerate insane pacing. It's different, but interesting overall, being the only work that goes into detail about the adventures of the Motoko-Puppetteer hybrid. And Tamaki Tamai is an under-appreciated waifu.

>>14118105
>I don't know why nobody can really answer my question as to what's wrong with it with the same level that you answered just what went right.
First, competency. One of the major sources of enjoyment in the GitS franchise as a whole is the competency of the characters. But in Arise everybody, especially Motoko, is so incompetent that you are left to wonder if they are even the same people.
Second, the character designs and the character animation... is a topic everybody knows well.
But then we can say that it was simply weaker in every aspect of it.
Animation was fluid, expensive, polished, and... with zero talent and imagination invested in it. Frankly, even SAC blows it away as far as director work is considered. And, of course, Oshii is in another galaxy in comparison. The end result of Arise left the impression of a soulless corporate product, even if it did more detailed backgrounds for example in comparison to any other iteration.
The narrative was forgettable. It's not worse than a normal SAC filler episode, but it didn't have the glue of the superb overarching plot to anchor it in our memories. And it wasn't one of the few masterpiece one-off stories, like the one with the full cinema in that braincase. In the end, it was clean, and it wasn't bad, it just didn't stand up to its predecessors.
And I doubt anybody would argue that the music wasn't the worst up to now.

>>14118420
>But in Arise everybody, especially Motoko, is so incompetent
Really, how so?
>The narrative was forgettable
I remember it.
>One of the major sources of enjoyment in the GitS franchise as a whole is the competency of the characters
Is there an official source on this?

>>14113372

I want to get the manga but I heard it's censored to hell, what exactly got cut from it?

>>14118443
>Really, how so?
If you are asking this, I'm not sure we watched the same series.
>I remember it.
I don't, to be honest. At all.
>Is there an official source on this?
"Everybody I've spoken to." Yes, I'm using anecdotal evidence, bite me.

In line with response #2, I'll be leaving this argument. As a final note I want to say that I do agree that there's less spoonfeeding in Arise.

>>14118420
>One of the major sources of enjoyment in the GitS franchise as a whole is the competency of the characters.
Why that in particular?

>>14118472
>If you are asking this, I'm not sure we watched the same series.
Well, considering your response to part 2, the Major in this Arise was dealing with some memory issues (ironic huh) specifically designed to throw her off the specifics of the case.

In any event, I'd really recommend going back and watching the OVAs in the AAA airing order followed by the movie.

>>14118488
I'd say they were pretty incompetent even after correcting for the memory issues. But, that's not the point. The point is that showing how competent the characters are is a huge part of the enjoyment of at least me and my friends - and I suppose of a lot of the Arise haters too. The reason the series isn't showcasing their competency may be in-universe, or just lack of talent of the creators, or whatever else, but the result is the same: an integral part of our enjoyment is removed.

I will, eventually. It may need to wait until I have kids and they grow up a little, though.

>>14118477
Because it's a rare thing. Especially the way Shirow builds the illusion of competency in his works: it's really rare to be so bloody good.

>>14118512
>the illusion of competency
The what?

>>14118512
>>14118512
>I'd say they were pretty incompetent even after correcting for the memory issues
Didn't you just say you don't remember the narrative? The characters competencies are what allow the narrative to unfold. I'm really confused as to what you're getting at.

>illusion of competency
So they aren't actually competent in other GitS works?

>>14118453
Jews did the puppeteer

>>14118556
Fuck off namefag.

>>14118520
>>14118527
Making us, the incompetent readers, believe they are competent. I guess "illusion" wasn't a good choice of a word to relay what I meant.

I've only a vague idea of what was happening. But I remember how I thought the younger age and the memory issues can't possibly make the Major we know and love so incompetent.
I also remember really loving the end of the New Movie. Specifically, one of Motoko's lines. But I'll have to rewatch it to remember what the quote was.

>>14118563
How exactly was she incompetent?

She got to the bottom of the investigations using all the parts at her disposal, despite going up against opponents with significantly more resources than her.

>>14118563
The term you used is one that actually exists apparently, assuming Google isn't lying to me.

>>14118576
Then I was really wrong in using "illusion", as "illusion of competence" seems to mean something completely different. I thought it may be a good choice, as GitS is just a fictional work.

>>14118574
Of course she got. She just didn't seem competent whatsoever while doing so. And, again, I can't give you anything "exact" - the plot was just too forgettable for me.

>>14118563
So what Other M failed to do, basically.

>>14113415
>>14113504
>>14113485
>>14113423
For the love of god anons, you were right with all the techno babble, cgi and existencialism, so much techno babble that it seems Motoko is talking in another language. Now she is in a new kind of level on par with Lain(being the "god of internet").

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Oh Welp. Illegal-Strenght Wi-fi is a thing that surpass the techno babble to a new level, Shirow pls.

>>14119919
Actually, that's not that absurd.

WiFi has bandwidths regulated by governments. Certain ones could be frequencies made off limits.

>>14120143
Maybe I really didn't get it, thought it was more like in a "new wifi kind of level strenght"

>>14119919
Illegal-Strenght Wi-fi is kinda understandable, but I can't make sense out of the rest of that sentence.

>>14118420
Your issue with competency is a positive in my book, since they are not that incompetent, just more believably human (Motoko in S.A.C. is a veritable Mary Sue and many have complained about it over the years).

The animation is indisputably better than S.A.C. Anyone who claims otherwise is blind. There is so much more QUALITY in S.A.C.

Your last paragraph is a pile of senselessness and buzzwords.

>>14118563
You fucking reek of nostalgiafagging. Go re-watch the series.

>>14118604
Of course it was forgettable to you: unlike in Stand Alone Complex, in Arise the characters never recapped the episode in an extended monologue at the end to clue you in on everything that just occurred. Arise is also more similar to the Oshii film, in that multiple plot points are developed simultaneously and it relies a lot more on foreshadowing.

Overall, the story is much more intricate, and shown, not told, which is probably why you don't "remember" it (you never got it in the first place). It is also the longest story in anything GITS except Man Machine Interface, so lo for them with poor memory.

I am willing to bet you're one of the faggots who prefer Stand Alone Complex above everything, and more to the point, who prefer 2nd GIG to hte first season (because "muh backstories").

Eat shit. You're a total plebeian. .

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OP here, just watched the movie after marathoning all the mangas, kinda meh, the visuals were gorgeous and the ost was the typical Kenji Kawaii one, in terms of adaptation is wasn't spot on, relaying too much on visuals and stills with rain to give a sense of emotion, and the change to Motoko's personality to a "I'm a cold person but who is looking for answers about life and what is it to be alive" wasn't something she needed from the start, I think after the Puppeteer arc she got that sense of what is life and what it is to be alive.

>>14120908
best of luck for the sequel

>>14113372
Are there any uncensored scanlations of the manga?

>>14121481
The dark horse ones are the only uncensored.

>>14121498
I thought those were censored

>>14121503
They are available on animebytes, and maybe in madokami, lurk around.

>>14121506
No direct downloads? Anyway, I remember reading the dark horse version of the original and the diaper scene wasn't in it. Also browsed the sequel manga and it was missing the gangbang scene.

>>14121503
I think it's the later dark horse version that's uncensored.
The earlier one was.

>>14120306
>>14120330
rekt

>>14121617
gangbang?, the only things that I remember and I read this 2 days ago was the lesbian orgy, and in man machine interface TENTACLES.

>>14121721
There's one with some black dudes fucking a girl

>>14121729
Am I on /tv/?

>>14121729
When Motoko hacks the black girl, oily blackmen are fucking her. It even had porn-censoring in the original, because it was rather explicit.
Horsecock-sensei blew his cover there.

>>14114742
Blond major? from where

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>>14117875
>She looks nothing like the major,

Disagree

>>14123849
Second manga. It's not very good.

Bump. This thread looks interesting and I want to get into the GitS universe

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OP here started with Stand Alone Complex, so far it's a nice fusion of the movies+manga, Motoko isn't a robot without feelings and isn't spouting literary quotes like her counterpart in Movie 2, speaking about the second movie, how they fucked up a nice arc in the manga with gorgeous, I mean it was beautiful scenary, and the whole movie was 10/10 in animation but if not 80% of that animation went in weird chinese parades, and that castle straight out of some weird fantasy rpg. And for the love of god what went through the head of Oshii with all that literary quotes and camera angles.

>>14123850
She looks kinda like movie Major, but manga Major is a whole different thing.

>>14127396
>camera angles
That's just Oshii's thing. You get used to it eventually.

>>14127396
That's Oshii for you.Either it's slow scenes where he don't know anything about stop button or zany meta 4th wall breaking comedy.
Just look at Angel's egg or Stray dogs(infact he did the chinese festival / parade/carnival there too and it predates GITS movie by 8-10 years)
There used to be mid ground and Patlabor at most is proof of it,but after success of his 1995 movie, it seems he started shelling out that non pause scenes until the patlabor live action movie in recent years.
Only time I liked that style was in Patlabor 2:the movie(which unsurprisingly has the fandom divided on it)

>>14123850
>Oshii movie Motoko
Gross

>>14127441
That style worked with Angel's Egg because it used symbolism and visual storytelling. In GITS 1 and 2 most of the exposition is done through storytelling, despite the beatiful visuals there isn't good fusion of it with the narrative, especially in Innocence.

you know what would have been hilarious? if the live action GITS movie takes its queues from the 1st manga with happy fluffy hair major

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>>14127396
Bro, it's called a e s t h e t i c s

>>14113581
>>14114070
A Shirow girl has never hurt someone that didn't deserve it.
Police brutality is a meme.

>>14117730
She doesn't look like the major, she doesn't act like the major (if she acts at all, the hack).
They got a b-rate writer and director.
It looks like they're going for some wierd mishmash of SAC and Oshii.

It's going to be garbage.

>>14123850
She's got the same haircut, that's where the similarities end.
The major doesn't slouch.
The major doesn't wear makeup.
The major doesn't have a jewnose.
The major has a lower jaw
The major has larger eyes.
The major doesn't have the facial structure of a fucking monkey (mouth not so far forward, cheekbones not so far back, and other smaller points).

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>>14128867
Well, maybe we can persuade ourselves that cyborg body and pre-registered are modeled after ridiculously bad actress and it's was all ironic reverse-psychological expectation.


Joke aside, it's not like we want to get too close of the original. Shirow was a very lonely man...
I had an hard time defending the complex narration of the original manga and its fanservice. I don't know any other anime who have made it as obnoxious.
Even GitS:SAC suffered from it.

>Joke aside, it's not like we want to get too close of the original. Shirow was a very lonely man...
>I had an hard time defending the complex narration of the original manga and its fanservice. I don't know any other anime who have made it as obnoxious.
>Even GitS:SAC suffered from it.
I hope you die painfully.

>>14129152
>Light doesn't just run from one end of a fiber to the other. It collides with particles inside the fiber and is therefore reflected

What the fuck am I reading? A corpuscle of light is absorbed while another is released. It isn't reflected.

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>>14129152
>Joke aside, it's not like we want to get too close of the original. Shirow was a very lonely man...
the fuck is the point of adapting his shit then

go throw yourself off a bridge please

>>14129152
Wait wut
I never knew there was a scientific explanation for the trippy OP sequence in the movie

>>14129152
Fanservice doesn't need defending. No does it need to be removed or censored or criticized. If it's there, it's there.

>>14129152
Mokoto's dressed consistently sensible outside of cover illustrations and colour pages though.

>>14129209
Sadly that doesn't work in Murrica.

>>14129190
Simple, rewrite it and make it safe for normalfags.

>>14129224
>fanservice doesn't exist in hollywood
are yoou serious?

>>14129256
Full nudity is still rare in big Hollywood movies, no?

>>14113407
Because they are the most accessible and were shown on american TV. Same reason gundam wing is the most popular in the US.

>>14129273
Yes, it can be allowed, but there's a whole bunch of rules around it which I don't remember.But if it's full frontal in a sexual situation, it's auto NC-17.

>>14129256
It costs a lot more to get an actress to appear topless than just draw a character naked.

Regarding the casting for the movie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=747cvo8Lkjw

>>14129316
>You Don't Know How The Movie Industry Works
Kek. This poof is an idiot.

>>14129316
I left a dislike for the hair, then closed the video.

>>14129316
>We're not allowed to be mad at the movie industry.
>We just have to accept it every time they cannibalize a beloved franchise in the name of profits.

And people wonder why a socialist is doing so well in this election. Get it together corporate america. Stop shitting where you eat.

>>14129273
>Fanservice means full nudity
news to me

>>14129361
>bernie
>doing well
lmao
shillary's got it in the bag

>>14129390
>Hillary already burnt through her strongest states
>she's only 200 ahead
Uh yeah, sure

>>14129361
>>14129390
>>14129401
This is not the correct place for this discussion /pol/

>>14129390
The thing about Bernie (and Trump) isn't that they are definitely going to win, the thing is that nontrivial amounts of people are voting for them, and that similar candidates will continue to dominate politics in the future. People are fed up with "the way things are." The establishment is eating itself alive and things are going to change. It could get better, or it could get worse, but "The way things are" isn't going to last much longer.

Back to my point, if you make a video explaining that "That's just the way Hollywood works" you are going to make yourself look like a duche.

>>14129377
Well GitS has full nudity.

Regarding fanservice in anime in general: you'll never see halfnaked child actors in a Hollywood movie, which I can understand.

I read somewhere that Hollywood might do Evangelion. How old is Rei in the anime?

Back on topic, People defending this choice act like it's such a minor thing, but IMO these kinds of choices tend to be indicative of shit movies. There's probably a million other things the studio is doing that fans won't like and casual audiences won't get.

Aren't they filming this in New Zeland?

>>14129410
>9
>>14129401
How is desu animu related? Is Hilary a little grill?

>>14129420
Wellington.

But it will all be CG anyway,.

>>14129420
How are they going to dress up New Zealand to make it look like HK?

>>14129636
CG.

>>14129578
>>14129420
Wellington.
A few people on my Yik Yak feed where talking about how they snuck into some building and got a sneak peek at the filming.

>>14129664
Why not shoot in vancouver like everyone else does then?

>>14129746
more lucrative tax output.

>>14129746
Because Weta Workshop is doing the special effects and they're located down in Wellington.

>>14129316
I do know how the movie industry works which is why I'd rather they didn't try and make a Ghost in the Shell film at all.

>>14129748
Yeah New Zealand must be giving them some nice subsidies and tax breaks.

>>14129750
>can't even afford to give WETA flight tickets
good start already

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Bungie made a game which seemed like GITS+Dominion story in past.

>tfw can't complete Marathon trilogy

>>14131296
Good taste anon.

Oni is on GOG, so it is also easy to pirate for those so inclined.

>>14131314
If it's on GoG and it's worth playing, it's worth buying.

>>14131314
>tfw I still have my copy of the PS2 version and a backwards compatible PS3

>>14131296

Pretty sweet game, yeah.

>>14131314
I need to go back and try to finish this. I got stuck on that bossfight with that not-ninja guy on the top of a skyscraper.

>>14117730

It ain't shirow till her appendages are oiled and noodlely, and covered in horse semen...

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>>14129214 >>14129209 >>14129165
I'm not into the "let's worship all author's choices" school of thinking. Just like I actually liked how "Edge of Tomorrow" was adapted Only one timeloop is more manageable and sufficient.

The Ghost in the Shell manga was limited in its evolution for as long as it was constrained to one creator. To move to its next stage of evolution it needed to fuse with other minds and gain a totally different approach on everythings.

This include fanservice as well.
As long as Shirow Masamune was the only input you could not have anything but his particular fetish, and his diligence to add details even lead some of its arts to be repulsive or idiotic at best (every nurse-cyborg wearing lingerie and garter-belt, seriously ?).

Just imagine if Shirow had an oily foot fetish...

>>14131885
>every nurse-cyborg wearing lingerie and garter-belt, seriously
Yes, you weird mentally ill ESL.

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idea: Make Hollywood adapt this :

>>14117730
the butthurt on this forum already is tremendous, and will only increase as time goes on

i can do nothing but laugh

>>14131902
>forum

>>14131885
Man, there weren't even that many examples of skimpy character designs in gits.
The major wore combat gear or a trench coat or something else along those lines the vast majority of the time.
And why do you seem to think that Shirow's only contributions revolve around character designs?
The strongest aspects of his work displayed how well researched he was in the things that he portrayed. Great mechanical design. Great technical explanations. Great relations to scientific and philosophical concepts. Great understanding and protrayal of military operations and hierarchy.
GitS was loaded with worldbuilding and scifi, and the plot wove into that world perfectly.
He used the unique elements of his setting to tell a story that couldn't exist anywhere else.
That setting and that kind of storytelling is what allowed the adaptions to be so great.
Without a doubt, adaptions need to change a bit. The Edge of Tomorrow is a good example for the most part (bad ending, I know Hollywood is likely to blame, but that's not something you can just ignore), the omitted most of the scifi because you just can't easily waste screentime in a two hour movie on the details when you've got so much plot to cover. That's appreciable.
But The Edge of Tomorrow really didn't change a whole lot.
And what you're advocating is simplifying the natrration and changing characters.
That's very different.
Ghost in the Shell and its adaptions are so good because they don't talk down to you and they are able to tell a believable and complex story that works well with a complex background.
You can't just get rid of it and still claim to represent the franchise.

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>>14131885
>The Ghost in the Shell manga was limited in its evolution for as long as it was constrained to one creator. To move to its next stage of evolution it needed to fuse with other minds and gain a totally different approach on everythings.

Holy shit, you probably don't realize how dumb you sound there.

>>14131968
>the joke
----------------
>your head

>>14132322

There is no joke with somebody that stupid.

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>>14131925
> Man, there weren't even that many examples of skimpy character designs in gits.
> The major wore combat gear or a trench coat or something else along those lines the vast majority of the time.
The major isn't the problem, it's the god damned nurse and pinup that break out of nowhere.
You can say decadent-future much more subtly.

> And why do you seem to think that Shirow's only contributions revolve around character designs?
Never wanted to imply that. I just said that not all of his idea are good.
Also, for as much I like his techobabble (and understand them, yes), this is also not always pertinent or something to keep (those don't mesh well with anime anyway).

Just to be clear : I also think Hollywood were stupid to whitewash the Major.
But an authors isn't too good that his work can't be improved by others, even if those limit are simply barrier to not cross
(not including Shirow's CG downfall).


>>14131968
You did miss the joke, I was poking at a discussion from the 1st movie.

>>14132859
As I touched on earlier, of course it's a bad idea to put lengthy technical explanations into a storytelling method that's much more visual.
But to illustrate the main issue I have with your perspective, you make it sound like moving away from Shirow's source material is a good thing. Nothing could be further from the truth, but it's what Hollywood does as a matter of course to make things more appealing to the mindless mass of moviegoers.
What makes a good adaption is sticking to the source material as closely as possible and making minor omissions or alterations to better fit a different medium.
The animations so far (excluding Arise) have done this magnificently. I don't see any need to reinvent the wheel and I don't see any reason for sex appeal to be a negative aspect of any of the incarnations.

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>>14132943
> you make it sound like moving away from Shirow's source material is a good thing

On some aspect, yes it is.
An author's work isn't some sort of pure material that get dirtied by others' input, nor a recipe that turn bad if you take out or replace some ingredients.
The pantless nurse with stocking that I took as example was ridiculous, it serve no point except covering a niche of fanservice.

So I disagree wholeheartedly with the affirmation :
> What makes a good adaption is sticking to the source material as closely as possible and making minor omissions or alterations to better fit a different medium.
As it depend entirely on what the perceived core-elements were and how much clutter was filtered away.

I'll give PLANETES as an example :
The original manga, for as PERFECT as it was, lacked coherence and its story wandered awkwardly between science, world-building and loooong character study (helped in that the manga had no length constraint).
The anime doubled the casts, got better spacesuit, rearranged events, episodes and even who did what so as to cover more all space-related themes and tie even the most comedic episode into a very-coherent, self-referencing and much more dramatic story.

Did we loose a lot of stuff like Fee storyline ? One great Locksmith moment ? Mars Base and Jupiter travel ? Yes, yes. But most of what they covered was redundant or just philosophy/psychology and great arts.
The result is TWO DIFFERENT, yet EQUALLY interesting story.

I can go on with Escaflowne too, except the source material was shit.

>>14135453
Escaflowne had source materiel? I thought the anime and manga were both planned at the same time.

>>14135521
>Escaflowne had source materiel?

Aparently the first concept draft was used as a basis for the Manga. It's pretty horrible, basically DBZ with occasional robots and lots of service. They got the Manga Love Story dude to draw it - at a point where he hadn't yet spent decades drawing T&A, so the service is as terrible as the rest of the comic's art.

>>14135453
See the problem with your point is that what you think are problems and what other people think are very different. I fucking hated the Planetes adaption for instance, but a better example of what I'm saying is with the Bokurano adaption.
The premise is the same, but they make a bunch of alterations that neuter the story, the ending which is only the worst of a whole slew of things. Some people like the changes, plenty don't, but the point is that it isn't a fucking faithful adaption. They changed too much.

And let me emphasize that point. CHANGE is the problem, not omission like with Planetes. I said before, I perfectly understand why a director would decide to do that. Jackson didn't have the time to spend 2 hours of Lord of the Rings dicking about with Bombadil, SAC can't explain every little technology, I get it. But they didn't change anything about the source material.
If you are CHANGING the source material you are making a bad fucking adaption.

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>>14135540
>hating the Futari Ecchi guy
Seriously m8

>>14113372
Mangas>Movies>SAC>Arise

It's simple.

>>14123861
It's a masterpiece in a certain way because the purpose was to show the principle of the technological singularity

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>>14131315
>Bungie
>2016

Sure if you want to fund more Destiny? The people who actually worked on Oni already got payed. And there sure as hell will never be a sequel no matter how many copies you buy.

Oni was a bad video game. Maybe it could have been great, but it wasn't.

>>14135706
Geez, the art is straight out of one of those "How to draw manga" books.
>>14135453
What is the fucking point of adapting a work if you're going to fucking change everything until its unrecognizable?
Starship Troopers for example, literally nothing like the actual novel, dumbed down for a Hollywood audience.

>>14135723

Starship Troopers was an unrelated film called "Bug Hunt" until about 3/4 of it was done. Someone said the film was mildly similar to the book, so they nabbed the book's rights and changed a few names

>>14135723

Starship Troopers isn't dumbed down. Dumbing it down would require that you know the content and think it's too complex. Verhoeven only read the first few pages of the book before deciding it wasn't worth his time. He didn't dumb it down, he just made his own movie and slapped the name on because marketing wanted him to, to finance the movie.

It's rather hilarious honestly, because his movie is almost the opposite of the book even without knowledge of it. It's also a good critique of the book in many ways and a good film with its own points despite issues. It's a good popcorn film, but has some complexity if you want to look for it.

>>14135782
How can it be a good critique if the director never bothered to read the book?

>>14135830
Pure chance. He mentioned that.

>>14135706
>2016
>buying a GoG game

>>14135830
>books are the only medium capable of criticism

OH I AM LAFFIN'

>>14135723

thank fucking God they did that, Heinlein's books suck ass.

>>14135864
No, how can the film be a critique of the book if the people writing and directing it never read the book?

>>14136098

Because it addresses the books themes and the systems it pushes by coincidence.

>>14136120
In an incredibly ham fisted way that's more a parody of fascism than the Greek citizen democracy presented in the book. It's fucking Tumblr-tier.

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Did anybody else find this thing absolutely terrifying?

>>14136128
That's a pretty lame insult.

>>14136098
I didn't say it was any good. My point is that your comment makes it sound like a movie can't be critical of real world things. Sure he may be entry-level, but Shostikovich would like to have a word with you. And his works aren't even film.

>>14136135
I think it's gorgeous.

the independent thorax movement to simulate a tank turret is fantastic.

>>14135706
Supporting GOG is also important, Steam can eat shit on any game GOG has available in my eyes.

Eventually Bungie will move on from Destiny. They've unfortunately been pigeonholed into "company that makes halo" by all publishers, so it'll be tough for them to do something different, but hopefully they will.

Maybe it won't be Oni but it'll be something.

>>14136183
They pigeonholed themselves by signing a contract with that great Satan, ActiVision. Bethesda may be awful on their own, but they do publish a lot of "great" games by their studios. EA is shit too.

>>14135782
Making dumb popcorn movies is what Hollywood is supposed to do.

Nobody wants their movie to end up like Bladerunner. This shit has to make money fast. Making a good movie should be the least of anyone's concern.

>>14136135
Well, when you're the one who's been targeted, why not?

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>>14135587
> See the problem with your point is that what you think are problems and what other people think are very different
Isn't that everyone's conundrum ?
Going from this premise we can have no dialogue. Ever.

So let me reformulate : Even you must have seen a show and wondered "It would have been improved without X, or with Y done much more subtly". Just imagine the adaptation as something that can do it and supersede the original (it happen so often many people don't know there was a source).
So, no,
> If you are CHANGING the source material you are making a bad fucking adaption.
Not a lot of people will remotely agree with that and it is hypocrite to exclude only what YOU think is not part of the source.

...unless you consider that "adaptation" should also preserve anything from the original. Which then should include the footnotes-essay without a words changed and the nurse-lingerie Uniform of Military-contractor MEGATECH-workers.

You can add the frigging nurse if you want (Deadpool was kinkier), but it won't look stupid to CHANGE to a Brothel as part of the depraved-utopia themes rather than as Shirow self-indulging in his fetish.


>>14135723
> Starship Troopers

Many find the movie better in all aspect than the agenda book, and for all intents Verhoeven was in fact faithful to the book (saying that sound like a good bait), Heinlein dream world naturally translate as a Military Dictatorship where the brainwashing worked.
Btw, Heinlein never clarified if his dream-world allowed citizenship outside of the Military, and the movie didn't exclude it either.

>>14135590
Short-hair Hitomi really made the character more memorable.

>>14138859
Sure, but I'll leave that to criticism, I'm not going to fucking change someone else's work just because I didn't fucking like it.
It's not mine.
You can give the author advice as much as you want, but if you're going to change his work you should just fucking make something else.
>Not a lot of people will remotely agree with that and it is hypocrite to exclude only what YOU think is not part of the source.
What in the fuck are you even saying?
And why are you so hung up a couple of unimportant skimpy character designs?
Shirow doesn't take his work very seriously, if he wants to put slutty nurses into his comics, that's his decision.
>and it is hypocrite to exclude only what YOU think is not part of the source.
What in the fuck are you on about?
I've made myself as clear as I can possibly be.
Either you're as dense as platinum or you're deliberately misunderstanding me.

People like you are the reason we get all this dumb shit in the western comic book industry now like Thor suddenly changing into a woman.
Fuck off, Ghost in the Shell is fine as it is.

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>>14138922
> Sure, but I'll leave that to criticism, I'm not going to fucking change someone else's work just because I didn't fucking like it.

To me it's frightening how stuck up you are on this imaginary "purity" of an author work.
Let's remind that "Intellectual Property" is an abstract construct created for business purpose but with no basis on reality.
We can go further and point out that an Adaptation is by necessity a rewriting that only share superficial appearance with the original because of the different format.

> And why are you so hung up a couple of unimportant skimpy character designs?

Because they didn't stop being valid EXAMPLE ?
Also not to confuse you since it seem you hardly understand simple arguments.
Or because I never argued about changing more than UNIMPORTANT things like theses.
I never defended Hollywood stupidity, just that an adaptation can be improved by leaving out UNIMPORTANT stupid idea from the original author.


And don't insult someone when you are an hypocrite.
You accepted "required change" and "filtering out thing", yet refuse to admit that's in direct contradiction with your grandiloquent statement that adaptation must be as close as possible of the original.

Whether or not one like it, a franchise live, morph and evolve through rewriting and adaptations. And some of those adaption are considered IMPROVEMENT to the point that even fan will prefer to consider it as the new canon.

There's so many example I would hit text-limit trying to list them.

> People like you are the reason we get all this dumb shit in the western comic book industry now like Thor suddenly changing into a woman.
Well, if you read shit in the first place, you can't get mad they keep the shitty recipe. They are sticking to the original.

>>14139201
>You accepted "required change" and "filtering out thing",
OMISSION is not the same as CHANGE.
We were talking about the movie and hollywood in general which has a history of CHANGE.
CHANGE is something that makes existing content DIFFERENT.
OMISSION is something that cuts content.

Something might be a GOOD PIECE but a BAD ADAPTION. Something is a BAD ADAPTION when they CHANGE the source material.
This is a circular argument and I'm done with it.
Eat shit.

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>>14123850

>>14141641
For some reason a white Motoko still seems a little weird to me, even though the top one looks almost impeccable. Her body is supposed to be inconspicuous in Japan after all.

And that shot is completely unflattering for Scarjo especially in comparison. Now I see why people say she has a jew nose and compare her to a monkey. She looks like she has her mouth slightly drooping, and slouching doesn't help either.

>>14141641

somebody did a hop with Rinko Kikuchi's face, and that looked decent. At least she was in a recent US movie (Pacific Rim) so audiences wouldn't be completely unfamiliar...

>>14141641
Man, it's amazing how much better her hair looks with extra volume. The original looks like some chick you'd see in Starbucks.

>>14141661
>or some reason a white Motoko still seems a little weird to me, even though the top one looks almost impeccable. Her body is supposed to be inconspicuous in Japan after all.

You just know they'll default to a Blade Runner-esque Little Japan in downtown LA. If we're lucky, they'll keep the detail about Motoko's body being a standard model with enhancements and throw in a line implying models based off actresses are commonplace.

>>14141661
>And that shot is completely unflattering for Scarjo especially in comparison. Now I see why people say she has a jew nose and compare her to a monkey.

People are just faggots and drama queens. Even though at least some of them are probably neckbeard and/or fat/ugly slobs.

And yeah, it is just one photo FFS. Should I go look for epic fail inbetween frames of Major in SAC? Even the movie might have some.

>Man, it's amazing how much better her hair looks with extra volume. The original looks like some chick you'd see in Starbucks.

Halp, reality isn't like anime, right? I guess it is a comics adaptation so it might not be too silly, true.

>>14142021
But the top isn't an unrealistic facial structure at all.
They're pretty common facial features, actually.

it's just going to be Black widow in a different coloured wig, isn't it?

>>14138859
People who think Heinlein had some fascist agenda in Starship Troopers are people who've never read the book.
Much like Verhoeven, who I like, but lets be honest, not even bothering to finish a book that you're adapting is a pretty fucking dick move.

>>14145516
It doesn't matter if Heinlein don't believe it to be facist, it can only be described as such.
Many are the social Darwinist who wouldn't consider bad to live in a tyrannic society as long as they believe it's for a greater purpose (the concept of dictator itself is only bad in that it offer no filter against bad or incompetent dictator).

Simply said Verhoeven's adaptation is fully compatible with the book, at least politically.
Too bad the video analysis by Rob Ager disappeared from Youtube,
http://undersoutherneyes.edpinsent.com/the-war-on-bugs/

Beside you don't need to read half the book to corner Heinlein fantasy, it hope heavily on the system being self-correcting.

>>14146833
many time this remind me of Stephen King and the times he was a car that killed people

>>14142021
5'10 120lbs here. Decent looking with glasses, I could look better with contacts but I never got used to putting them in. Currently looking a bit scruffy and I rarely dress better than shorts/jeans and a shirt. Since you seem to think someone's appearance matters to their opinion.

>And yeah, it is just one photo FFS.
Promotional image. They could have picked a better shot.

>Halp, reality isn't like anime, right?
If they're giving her purple hair then they can fluff it up a little. It's not impossible, it's actually pretty easy for people who make their living on doing hair for actors and movie stars.

>>14146943
>5'10
I am so, so sorry.

>>14147088
>manlet meme
I'm comfortable with my height although I'll break 5'11 just before I stop growing.

>>14113372
>SAC: Again, it's different. It's more focused on Section 9 stopping bad guys and shit. Cool.

desu SAC is a fucking masterpiece (2nd season best), I never thought of it being so good, but the whole series does actually revolve around the philosophy of the stand alone complex or well, memes.

>>14147156
>2nd GiG > S.A.C.
Get out.

>>14147156
It's never a GitS thread without That Guy showing up.

>>14131898
It is hard to find women with the body to pull off Masamune's extreme high cut women's wear aesthetic.

>>14145496
Lucy, Her, and Black Widow in a shit wig.

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>>14117730
I think there going to turn GITS into a full-on action movie and turn the AI into a super evil badguy that's the enemy of mankind because AI are ALWAYS a bad thing in western mainstream media.
There will probably a usb drive hacking scene where someone pounds away at a keyboard despite people in GITS generally hacking with her mind.

They'll probably talk about how yadda-yadda something that separates machine from man bullshit.

Only Deus Ex has so far presented AT as a good thing in the west in my memory.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBeoreJr4Yc

>>14118019
>>14117941
>>14117943
/v/ only started spamming weeaboo as a catchall insult in 2010
So yeah, y'all are a newfags.

>>14148345
>d because AI are ALWAYS a bad thing in western mainstream media.
interstellar, moon

>>14149199 >>14148345
You can go back as far as Star Wars & R2D2/C3PO but I don't think it count when the AI is just a sidekick.
Hollywood is still likely to fuck up and say that a human-soul is needed to be more than a machine.

The best we can do is set our expectation as low as possible to be ecstatic if Hollywood get anything right.

>>14148345
>Only Deus Ex has so far presented AT as a good thing in the west in my memory.
Person of Interest has both good and evil AI's, the evil one spent last season hunting the good AI down. Great series, worth watching.

>>14148345
>Only Deus Ex has so far presented AT as a good thing in the west in my memory.
Not quite, some Western cartoons were about robots learning how to be good (although two were obviously inspired by Astro Boy): Robot Boy, Whatever Happened to Robot Jones? and My Life As A Teenage Robot. The latter did have its fair share of evil robots, and even then they were usually related to not-Baranoia.

I want to check this series out, should I start with the manga or the first movie?

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>>14151336
Depend, do you like Oshii's style ? Fast & Slow + heavily philosophical talk ?
Or do you prefer funky cyberpunk with surprise fetish, comedy and more action ?

In term of raw content the first 2 manga tell more.
In term of ambiance the movie beat everything that exist on Earth.

>>14151421
I'm pretty much fine with either.
Guess I'll start with the movie to get a sense of the setting.

>>14151421
>beats everything else in terms of ambience

But this is not actually a truth, fampai.

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>>14148345
>There will probably a usb drive hacking scene where someone pounds away at a keyboard despite people in GITS generally hacking with her mind.

Anon... Did you forget already? Though I wouldn't be surprised if shit like this was played up a lot more.

>>14151066
Oh, geez. Thanks for reminding me one of my favorite shows is not only ending, but getting burned off like a shitty batch of pilots. The show deserves so much better than CBS.

>>14152220

It is worth pointing out that there's an in universe reason for using super fast prosthetic typing hands.

It's true you could link your mind with the device and use that to make inputs but when there are attack barriers that can fry your brain, this is a safer option.

>>14152220
That guy was accessing information, not hacking, and the only reason he's even using a keyboard is because that kind of interface is more secure than a dive.

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>>14118097
Some people are just more attracted to living in other countries to begin with. Personally I'm not particularly close to my family (haven't seen my mother in over a year), so making a radical difference in my life like that doesn't have a lot of downsides. Having enjoyed mostly Japanese entertainment for a good portion of my adult life, Japan naturally draws my interest. Weebshit aside, I like the more traditional culture, and population density (big cities are cool as hell). I don't know if I'd make the decision to move there rashly though, but it's definitely a place I would like to visit once or twice, and if I had enough reason to move there I probably wouldn't think twice about it.

Really don't want to be the guy who learned Japanese and moved to Japan because muh anime though.

>>14151421
I love how in the first manga the Major keeps getting mistaken for a robot.

what delicious white skin the major has.

>>14141641
Little too much frown, but it's still a billion times better.

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>>14141641
I dunno, it still feels wrong to me. I think casting Scarlett was just another marketing ploy by dreamworks. Big western Hollywood stars + anime = profit$$$. So sad.

>>14113372
Every GITS incarnation is a standalone work. There is no chronology or whatever, the creators have their minds on higher things. If you struggle with that notion then you won't enjoy the franchise.

>>14146943
I'm who you responded to, 181cm/67kg so don't worry. It wasn't really that I cared, I just meant that people try to find flaws too hard, probably because there is an apriori dislike for the very notion of a live action movie. I didn't wish for it either, but I won't denounce it just cuz "3DPD" crap. That's all. I'm simply not going to give fucks about how the actress looks. Googled some photos now, looks quite pretty to me.

>>14155815
>implying 3DPD isn't crap
I mean, disgusting is even part of the name

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Bump. I want to know more about GITS as well

>>14117730
I'm looking forward to it. No one is going to make a good GitS live action movie. But dress her up sort of like the major and do some vaguely cyberpunky shit, and I'm there opening day because I like trash scifi.

>>14153434
>>14153517
I'm aware, I was trying to point out the potential dissonance between the scene being featured in the movie and it's original context.

>>14113372
bump

>>14152220
>Tfw you'll never have hacker fingers
Why live?

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>>14113372
There is any show like GITS or Viper Creed with spec ops group doing spec ops things?

Lately I've been looking for something like that and I've been searching the databases looking under the tag "cyberpunk" and "action-special teams" but nothing really catches my eye.

Where can I download the manga in its original orientation? BakaBT only has the left-right flipped version.

>>14155815
Making a 3DPD movie from anime IS disgusting.

I never asked for this. Did anyone?

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>>14115053
>he doesn't like the normal jacket and pants look

ffs

>>14166164
No, I do. I just don't like her face.

She looks great during the motorcycle sequences.

>>14136170
There are far better ways to harpoon Heinlein's writing. That was all I was saying.

I loved all shirts old stuff: dominion, orion, appleseed, GITS...then he kinda just stopped for a long time....then it was just strange.....the CGI just didn't look as good....but I must say I like the hentai stuff from hellhound/hellcat/ETC all the poster books...too bad they censor out the really naughty bits.....I know I am in a minority on that but I'm weird I guess

>>14166689
Too many ellipses

>>14166689
>then he kinda just stopped for a long time
His studio was destroyed in the Kobe earthquake of 1995.

>>14117730
>Major is expressionless

>they hired scarlet because she is emotionless

welp

>>14166689
The CGI never looked good.

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>>14168241
It would have if Shirow hadn't been obsessed with it, and photorealistic food.
Maybe its artstyle simply wasn't compatible with it

>>14170570
He's simply ahead of his time, as usual.

>>14172878

Don't be delusional.

>>14172954
I said he was ahead of his time, I didn't say it was a good thing. Look at how often CGI is used in modern mecha anime.

>>14172970
But Shirow is a manga artist.

Pretty sure not a lot of manga artists use CG as blatantly as he does.