Macross Delta

I'm loving the ED.
So funky, and Freyja is the perfect amount of genki in it.

Where's the DL for GIRIGIRIAIIIIIIIIIII again?

/a/ has a thread talking about the new Macross ship that shows up in Delta. Why are people confused as to it's class?

It's a New Macross-class vessel, as evident from the shoulders. The central torso has heavy guns and armor that are just replacing the hangar bays you saw in that position on the Macross 7, Macross 21, and Macross 25. In fact, it looks similar to the torso on the Macross 13.

If you look at the carrier ship, it has the designation CV/C-109 on it. Given the shape, and the scale of the Valkyries on it, it seems like it might have been salvaged from an Uraga-class hull or some other carrier class that predates the Guantanamo and comes after the ARMDs, considering the Guantanamo starts from CV-299. By Macross 7 though, they're all CVS-XXX, while the Uragas start from CV-404.

By the way, the Prometheus from SDF Macross is CVS-101, and the keel looks similar. This might be a space-borne carrier that was based on the Prometheus' design as an homage.

>>14112696
>Why are people confused as to it's class?
Because we can't tell it's full size from the way it's set up

>>14112741
Just compare the size of the Valkyries to the size of the ship, duh.

>>14112602
http://www.mediafire.com/download/me2asdisvd1k9hm/Walkure+-+Ikenai+Borderline.mp3

Delta will actually end with Delta Squadron/Walkure/Aerial Knights/Zentradi/Vajra battle with Protoculture

>>14113527
I would like to see the Vajra home planet again, it'd be interesting to see how/if humans are managing to coexist with the bugs, since both the series and the movies were optimistic about that prospect. The Vajra did end up UNDERSTANDING humans in both, after all.

>>14113527
Or just end with everybody singing together like the Protodeviln in 7.

>>14113525
Thank you, friend.

>>14113532
They are near the galactic center

>>14113539
Ooh, yeah, and Delta takes place near the rim, doesn't it...hmm. Are there any other familiar places near the rim, or is Delta the first series set that far out?

Will they vomit sound beams at some point?

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>>14113583
We would be so lucky

>>14112555

the rip of is real

>>14113527
I'm pretty sure the Vajra can solo the Protoculture.

>>14113527
>Kawamori reusing characters from the past in a considerable way.
Kek. Only in 7.

I mean I would like a Jenius family reunion myself but that's just not going to happen

>>14113527
the Var was caused by some sort of music right? I'm hoping for some over the top sing-off

>Bogue is voiced by KENN
What are the odds that Bogue pulls a Gigil on us?

>>14112696
This /m/an is a model to which people should strive for.

>>14113903

Odd compliment to give for no reason.

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Worst character so far.

>>14113583

I'm actually super disappointed that Walkure's musical ability isn't measured in Chiba Units. That would have been a nice callback.

>>14113939
Well, they are measuring fold waves, no? Chibaa unit is only for song energy.
If they are measuring song energy(of which there probably is some calculation needed to convert the fold wave readings to the equivalent in Chiba units), I can see them using Chiba units.

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WHO /WEST SIDE/ HERE?

>>14113939
>>14113951
>http://monkeybacon.mywebcommunity.org/MCRtechnology/08aOvertechnology-SpaceFold.php
>Extra Report: Fold Waves And Songs
Fold Waves, which are like waves generated by the higher dimensional space, are said to be deeply linked to Space Fold Navigation. It's thought that Song Energy, which was discovered in 2045, is a kind of Fold Wave, and research is being carried out on them even now.

>>14113938
You are right Hayate is the worst character so far. No wonder he makes the people around him so violent.

>>14113527
Protoculture went extinct hundreds of thousands of years ago.

They came to earth during their war with the Supervision Army and Protodevlin. Uplifted some apes into humans. Left the Birdman behind to serve as a safe guard from humanity becoming warlike in space. Then their ships that knew about earth were destroyed in the war. Earth was forgot about and went about its history. Until the Supervision Army Gun Frigate, that became the SDF Macross, landed on Earth.

>>14114205
In terms of Macross MCs, he's doing okay right now. I mean every Macross lead starts out as a bit of an asshole

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Shut the fuck up and take my money

>>14114215
Correction.
>>They came to earth during their war with the Supervision Army and Protodevlin.
No actually just a couple of years before that. The Stellar Republic went into civil war and a Survey Ship was seeding Earth as preparation for colonization.

>>Left the Birdman behind to serve as a safe guard from humanity becoming warlike in space.

No Macross Zero establishes the Bird Human arrived based on coral carbon dating 10,000 years before. Earth was rediscovered.

>>Then their ships that knew about earth were destroyed in the war. Earth was forgot about and went about its history.
This happened around 500,000 years ago. The ones who blew it up was Anti-Stellar Republic forces.

OP and ED single when

I just don't get the appeal of Delta. We all know Mirage is going to lose; she has the cute animal mascot of the series in the OP.

>>14114653
There's no easy guessing. Both Freyja and Mirage have traits that typically went to losers in series

Freyja is the younger girl in the triangle who is an idol while Mirage is a Zentraedi with a cute pet. So both exhibit the qualities that the losing side tends to have. Let's just be glad neither of them have green hair

>>14114664
Kawamori said he's trying to do something new with Delta in terms of the relationship triangle.

>>14114667
That's not what he said. Why does everybody keep misquoting this? What he said was

>Kawamori pointed out that the delta symbol in the logo is made of triangular symbols to symbolize the three main thematic elements of Macross: music, a love triangle, and Valkyries. However, he also noted that the two symbols are split, and explained that this is indicative that the three elements will not come together as expected in the new story

So what he's saying is that all the elements will not be the same as before not specifically the love triangle.

>>14114676
one will be missing or changed.

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The walkures, Making a great show in japan

>>14115153
>one will be missing or changed.
Well I don't think anything's getting changed because 2 of the 3 are already here and I doubt you can have a Macross series without a triangle in it

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Why aren't you riding the wind yet /m/? Don't you want to be cool?

"Song is the Wind!" will be Freyjas catchphrase

>>14116611
100%

preview of the 3rd episode from the AnimeJapan: https://u.pomf.is/hryfgr.mp4

>>14117226
For a decades-old fighter the VF-1 still keeps up with the newer models pretty well. Or maybe it's just the tech upgrades doing their thing.

>>14117249

It's not flying against another fighter there though? That's just two VF-1s against each other. You can't get any kind of performance benchmark off that.

>>14117249
Well in the totally canon PSP games you can upgrade them to be on par and even better than modern valks

>>14117290

What if you totally upgrade a modern one? I assume that out-performs a totally upgraded VF-1?

>>14117299
They're all capped at 99 so probably not

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>>14117250
Yeah, oops. I'm going blind, I thought one of them was in a Sieg.

>>14112555
>september
That's my funk

On my second rewatch of the episode, I realised something.
>"Welcome to Walkure world"
>Walkure -> Valkyrie
>Walkure world -> Valhalla?
Welcoming Freyja to Valhalla? In hindsight, that's kind of weird.

Then I went and googled a bit.
>just like Odin, Freyja receives slain heroes who have died on the battlefield, and that her house is Sessrumnir (which she translates as "filled with many seats"), a dwelling that Näsström posits likely fills the same function as Valhalla.
>Näsström comments that "still, we must ask why there are two heroic paradises in the Old Norse view of afterlife. It might possibly be a consequence of different forms of initiation of warriors, where one part seemed to have belonged to Óðinn and the other to Freyja.
>These examples indicate that Freyja was a war-goddess, and she even appears as a valkyrie, literally 'the one who chooses the slain'."

Of course this can all mean nothing, but considering the use of mythological names in anime means some parallel to the mythologies at times, its certainly interesting.

>>14117316
>tsun as fuck
>elf ears
>just as flat as Asuka
new best girl

>>14117319
Freyja's warriors are the pretty boy squad from Windermere. Everyone already know that pretty boys are going to work together with Delta squadron.

>immelman
>Guynemer
>Bucanner
>Nakajima
>Prowler
>Mustang
any more plane related name in this series?

>>14117323
>tsun as fuck
>best girl
anon...

>>14117369
Everyone is related to plane except pretty boys squad.
Hayate Immelmann shares his last name from named after German pilot Max Immelmann, creator of the Immelmann turn.

Mikumo Guynemer shares her's with French World War 1 fighter ace Georges Guynemer.

Kaname Buccaneer is likely named after the Blackburn Buccaneer, a Royal Navy jet bomber from the 1950s.

Makina Nakajima takes her surname from Nakajima aircraft company, a prominent Japanese aircraft manufacturer in World War 2.

Reina Prowler shares her name with the Grumman EA-6B Prowler electronic warfare aircraft. Fitting since this seems to be part of her role in the Walkure and Delta Platoon.

DELTA SQUADRON HAS TWO HIDDEN MEANINGS IN THEIR NAMES:

Chuck Mustang obviously named after the North American P-51 Mustang. Chuck's first name could also be a shout out to Chuck Yeager, the first pilot ever to break the sound barrier in level flight.

Messer Ihlefeld is named after German World War 2 fighter ace Herbert Ihlefeld. Messer's name might be related to Messerschmitt AG (German pronunciation: [ˈmɛsɐʃmJt]) was a German aircraft manufacturing corporation (AG) named after its chief designer Willy Messerschmitt and known primarily for its World War II fighter aircraft, in particular the Bf 109 and Me 262.

Arad Mölders takes his name after another German World War 2 fighter ace, Werner Mölders. Arad's name might be related to: The Arado E.555 was a strategic bomber proposed by the German Arado company in response to the Amerika Bomber project. Arado Flugzeugwerke was a German aircraft manufacturer, originally established as the Warnemünde factory of the Flugzeugbau Friedrichshafen firm, that produced land-based military aircraft and seaplanes during the First World War.

>>14117373
Bogue Con-Vaart meanwhile is named after the Bogue-class escort carriers.

>>14117383
>>14117373
Clarence Leonard "Kelly" Johnson was an American systems and aeronautical engineer. He is recognized for his contributions to a series of important aircraft designs, most notably the Lockheed SR-71 Blackbird.

>>14117373
Kawamori really loves his planes

>>14117395
And there are lots of pilots named Ernest.

>>14117409
His love for planes is as strong as his hatred of green hair.

>>14117323

She's not flat, that's just the flight suit compressing her tits for ease of movement and to keep them out if the way. She's bigger than Asuka, probably by a bit even looking at her in other shots in her normal clothes.

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>>14112696
FYI Battle 7, Battle , Battle 13, Battle Frontier and Battle Galaxy are all called Battle class.

This is not a Battle class but an mix of previous classes of Macross in the franchise. Upper body Quarter class, crotch is SDFN Macross class, feet are Battle class. ARMDs totally new.

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>>14117557

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>>14117564

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>>14117569

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>>14117578

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>>14117581

I am just waiting for the Destroid Monster to show up.

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>>14117564
Feet is similar to Battle class. It could be Macross Elysion was Barette City's flagship.

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>>14117609

>>14117569
The things on it's chest look like speakers

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>>14117617

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>>14117655

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>>14117557

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>>14117679

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>>14117679

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>>14117710

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>>14117679

>>14117383
Could Con-Vaart be some kind of reference to Convair?

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Neat

https://twitter.com/FIRE7_MAJ/status/720576111311065089

>>14117938

Is there supposed to be some commanality between the two sets of pics? Cause I'm not seeing it.

>>14117972
tool being used

>>14117972
Same last name, I think.

>>14117972
Their names, I'd assume.

>>14118020

An adjustable wrench? It's hardly unusual to see a mechanic using one if them.

>>14117938
I don't know what it says, but I'm assuming

>Mechanic teams then
>Mechanic teams now
>Where did we go wrong?

>>14112696
Why is every single Macross different anyway?
Is it to enforce a different culture on each colony, just in case?

>>14118034
It's that they have the same last name so probable descendant

>>14118035
>Why is every single Macross different anyway?

Freedom, basically. The colonists apparently pick their own constitutions.

>>14118035
Just different ships made in different times, probably by different manufacturers as well.
New and better ships are designed over time and some ships are made differently than the other ships in the same class.

The Battle 7, Battle Galaxy, and Battle Frontier are all in the same class, but they still have differences.
Battle 7 was normal, Battle Galaxy had the massive hologram system and presumably is remotely controlled, Battle Frontier was over 400m taller than 7 or Galaxy due to the Frontier fleet being huge in comparision.

>>14118059
Battle Frontier and Battle Galaxy are of the same length thus close to height. They are both longer than Battle 7.

>>14117373
Pretty sure there was a mechanic named Nakajima in Zero by the way

>>14117323
judging from her normal looks she actually has nice tits

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>>14118035
>We will never get the adventure of Macross Ragna

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I'm open to moving, removing, and adding things.

>>14119263
that frog sure has skill.

>>14119311
>Romantic Valk dancing
I want it

>>14119516
>Hayate teaches Mirage how to dance with their Valkyries...

It will happen, just you wait.

>>14119516
>there's a Dance Like You Want To Win episode

>>14119516
My heart couldn't handle it

Freyja is a miracle. She's always in sync with Hayate.

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That is one mean Seacat. (Umineko not Seagull but Seacat.)

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>>14120204
Hayate went to chase seacats instead of listening Mirage's lessons.

>>14120204
Musculaturus Seacat.
He has seen some real shit in his life.

>>14120204
I understood that pun!

First time I understand a pun in Japanese. I'm a boss desu.

>>14120291
It is a Japanese pun. Umineko refers to Seagulls in Japanese. But this universe has literal Uminekos( Sea Cats).

>>14120298
Yes, I get it anon.

>>14120275
Do they eat land mice?

>>14120299
You see, umi means sea, and neko means cat. So you get sea cats.

>>14117249

It's extremely unlikely those are stock VF-1s. They're probably VF-1X which are significantly better but still pretty shit

>>14117226
>https://u.pomf.is/hryfgr.mp4

they're really playing up the max/miriya parallel.
so who is our hikaru?

>>14120275
Hayate's intentionally pissing her off, I'm sure of it.

>>14120275

VF-1 looks really weird..really ...square

>>14120317
Bogue when he joins

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>>14117557
How does that work? There's a massive scale difference between the parts that you mentioned, its not just a style.

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>>14120339
Sorry anon, the only size comparison I want to look at in my Macross threads is Meltrandi size comparisons.

>>14120339

yeah. It baffles me how people think the ship in Delta is a battle class when it looks nothing like it whatsoever. It's more likely that its one of the new macross thingies or whatever it was that came after the SDF

>>14120275
>yfw Hayate is playing the long game for the glorious angry sex with Mirage

>>14120339
You're not really this dumb are you? It is an entirely new class, mechanical designers took inspiration from all Macross types in the franchise.

Who <<buddy> here?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7s3wHYHpSY

>>14118026
>>14118028
Now that is interesting. I guess our machine-loving idol might be his granddaughter or great granddaughter?

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BUY CARDS

http://www.carddass.com/crusade/item/mc_delta-1st.html

>>14120275
>>14113938
Mirage is intentional made to be stick up for the schadenfreude in watching Hayate getting under her skin.

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>>14120957

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>>14121341

>>14117557
>>14117564
Feet- Global Class.
>>14117679
Or this.
>>14118035
Because each fleet flies with their own manufacturing plant and is able to customize designs to their needs. I am sure they can straight up make ships up to Battle class guncannon and pretty much everything in between. Quarter was build during Frontier flight for example.
>>14118059
Also, designs age over time so any overhaul is done as resurces are available and new designs are sent over fold comms.
>>14118150
Sizewise sure but use different hulls even when based on the same basic frame. And it's safe bet that by Frontier times Battle class is at least as modular as Quarter design, so upgrading is easier.
>>14120339
Upgraded Macross/Global with modern tech? Judging by Island size Ragna fleet might have been launched with older ships.
>>14120388
Because it doesn't match any of previous designs and should be New Macross variant like Frontier or Galaxy considering where we are on the timeline.
>>14120563
Only it is not. Chest is wrong, legs have wrong proportions, thrusters are wrong, twin tower scream old design from orbit. So nope.

>>14119263
After Frontier, especially movies, this Island looks small.
>>14120326
Proportions are off from SDF, also shield seems wider than normal.

>>14112555

part of the chorus melody is similar, but that's about it.

>>14121341
>>14121651

Please tell me there will be twin gunpod, stampede variant.

>>14116611
"if I ride the wind I can fly!"

>>14112555
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSfVMOXhSHk

>>14116611
If Freyja is the wind, who will be her earth and fire?

>>14121341
I don't like how stretched the torso of the Siegfried looks. It's like Kawamori made a drawing and then scaled it up vertically without keeping the aspect ratio.

>>14121910

thank mr skeltal

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>>14121947
This is what I mean: I just scaled the picture to 900 x 800 and suddenly the proportions are better (even if the torso is still too long). Let's hope the Draken will look better.

>>14121980
Draken should come with thundertights if gearwalk is any suggestion.

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>>14121980

>>14121994
You know, this actually does make Siegried look better. Even plane form is more, well, like VF-19.

>>14121994
Sothe kit's proportions are wrong? Or is >>14121341 the DX toy?

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>>14122003
That's the kit. This is the DX.

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Let's go.

>>14119263

its looks like a really small colony ship even smaller then City 7

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>>14117609
Wrong, feet is just like the quarter's.

>>14120348
hoping to get some size content from delta

>>14117319
Freyja is a goddess who usually rules over the valkyries.

>>14122202
Can't wait to start crossing this thing out.

Anyone notice the bit on the political situation, where Windermere seems to have overthrown its NUNS government and gone into some sort of repressive monarchy, complete with cultural censorship? Sort of explains the Aerial Knights fighting the regular NUNS forces and Walkure.

>>14123384
You mean they straight up say in the show?

>>14123392

The captain talks about the Windermerean revolution and repression/cultural censorship during Freya's interview in surprising detail; the bit about the monarchy I'm interpolating from the OP visuals and the Aerial Knights talking earlier in the episode.

>>14123417
Woah, we got Sherlock hot on the case here.

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>>14123430

At any rate, this could be interesting. Instead of battles against aliens who just need UNDERSTANDING and DECULTURE, maybe we've got some real power politics behind this and a war of ideologies that can't be stopped by mere songs, like the Unification Wars where people like Nora and D.D. fought no matter what?

Then again, it depends on whatever Kawamori's smoking this week.

>>14123447
In the Forbes article the Aerial Knights are pretty much like the Anti-UN.

The revolution sounds like more along the lines of the Meiji Restoration.

>>14123500

I didn't read that one. I was mostly referencing translated side materials (mainly from Frontier, explaining the NUNS governmental structure and post-2047 galactic political landscape) and the episode itself to make my own conclusions.

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>>14123591
These little model kits have some impressive detail for the size.

>>14123660
each modes sold separately?

>>14123664

From what I've heard on /toy/, Fighter and Battroid mode are both packaged in the same box, and you partswap one into the other to create Gerwalk. It sounds like a very cool idea to make the VF-31 work at such a small scale. I dunno if it being pre-painted is enough to justify its price tag tho.

>>14123672
>From what I've heard on /toy/, Fighter and Battroid mode are both packaged in the same box, and you partswap one into the other to create Gerwalk.
http://www.tomytec.co.jp/gimix/lineup/macross_delta/index.html
Not quite. You can buy Fighter and Battroid mode seperately or buy the Gerwalk set that comes with parts to make Fighter and Battroid.

>>14123678

My bad. Thanks for clarifying that!

>>14123660
>small and untransformable
>it's still expensive

every damn time

>>14123710
>$75 is expensive
If you're poor or from South America, sure.

>>14122327
>>14122327
Older designs before New Macross also came with this design.

>>14123718

When was the last time a 144 scale model ever had a 75$ price tag attached to it?

>>14123724
Your problem is you're comparing these to Gunpla which are cheaper, less niche, and not prepainted. Tomytec is a smaller company and these models are already painted hence the mark up. Their aircraft model kits have the same details and cost the same as fighter mode's model. Get a job or don't buy them.

>yfw ghosts with giant speakers

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They sure have a lot of Draakens.

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>>14122668
Who doesn't?

Between Mkb0048 and magical girl lyrical Macross, the only thing that keeps me into watching this series is the vain and faint hope of some Meltran somewhere, sometimes, one day, maybe, if god will it.

>>14124421
I'll be honest. I'm waiting for Meltrans and a Destroid Monster.

>>14123660
I think the Mecha Colle should be 1/144 as well.

How many FPS in the dancing part of the episode 01?

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>>14125675

The YF-30 chronos is 18.83m, so a 1/144 would be 13cm, and a 1/100 would be 18.8cm.

The Mecha Colle should be approximately 10cm, so about 1/188 scale.

>>14125710
Luckily Star Wars Mecha Colles could reach the 1/144 equivalent within the size restriction.

>>14112555
>https://u.pomf.is/oimiwn.mp4
I want you all to mark down this day in your calendars. This is the day you saw a glimpse of the terrifying future to come. It was only barely hinted at when studios started drawing over real locations for their background or rotoscoping everything for artistic effect, but one day in the future, all anime will be live-action run through a cartoon filter.

I want off this ride.

>>14125749
bet you'e watched a total of 20 animes too.

>>14125749
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mip7Kx4o7Lw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KuVCJ84aZT0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TdUbF2N0cc
Hello newfag.

>>14125771
>real footage with zero attempts to make it cartoony
>the same as a filter
Who Framed Roger Rabbit and Space Jam are not the problem here, friendo.

Can they top Zero CGI?

>>14125780
Watch it again. 7's ending has a filter.

>>14120204
They should eat the sea cat instead.

>>14125850
>not cartoony, just blurry
>absolutely no intention of trying to trick people into not thinking this is a photo
>a static shot of a crosswalk that zooms out for all of 20 seconds
I didn't even bother mentioning that one because I didn't think anyone would be so anal and desirous to be wrong as to bring it up.

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Anybody know what this is about?

>>14125749
>I've never seen Dynamite 7's ED

>>14126394
Says Ikenai Borderline has the #1 spot in some kind of top 10 record downloads.

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just a friendly reminder that all the Walkure girls are second-rate pop princesses when put next to stunning beauty and mature, sophisticated charm of Sheryl Nome, whose gaze fills your heart with fascination and whose seductive splendor temps all who cast their eyes upon her glorious flesh.

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>>14127141
MANFACE

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>>14127143
They're all ugly desu.
Pic related is the prettiest. No homo.

>>14127153

>Not Bogue

You gay or something?

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>>14127189
Bogue is best boy.
Keith is prettiest boy.

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I'm not liking where Freyja's character is going. So far she has been given everything on a silver plate and she just keeps conveniently getting things handed to her.

Even Ranka had to climb her way to the top, from singing on malls to failing auditions, but you know, she worked hard. Freyja just turned into an idol in the fucking second episode of the show without pretty much doing anything and just out of convenience that she has a magical voice and her idols were also conveniently there to listen to her firsthand.

I just think they could have taken the time to show her actually working hard to be an idol instead of this. I mean, part of the fun of idol shows is seeing them slowly develop to one, climbing their way up. In here, Freyja just looks like a spoiled kid.

>>14127226
She's more a soldier than an idol. She's not going to be saving to make mad dosh she's going to be singing to save lives.

>>14127226
The idols in this have more of a combat role.

>>14127226
And if the episode descriptions are anything to go by, Freya will be undergoing training to be a proper Walkure.

>>14127229
Those girls who were auditioning were also going to be soldiers and they at least had to go through the whole process of selection.

Freyja not only got late to the whole thing, she also was admitted because of convenience , even though she literally just arrived there and didn't even looked up how the auditions actually worked. Is not convincing.

>>14127230
You'd be right if the auditions didn't look like typical idol shit.

>>14127141
>>14127143
>you'll never be the meat in a Sheryl/Mikumo sandwich

Such is the fate of man.

>>14127226
They are not supposed to be regular idols though.

They are combat units first and idols second. They want people that stand and sing while risking their lives and most importantly, can shit out fold waves to fight the Var. The idol part is just a bonus for them.

The fact that Freyja could shit out fold waves was the reason why they allowed her to enter the audition, because she has the most important ability they are looking for in their tactical idols.
If she hadn't been on the planet when Var happened and Walkure deployed, even if she made it to Ragna she wouldn't have been allowed in. But in this case, they had clear data that she has what they are looking for.

>>14127240
They are looking for fold affinity the whole time? The singing and dancing is mostly to get them to start shitting out fold waves.

>>14127234
They already knew she had a special voice so they gave her special permission. Stop getting so bent out of shape over it.

>>14127240
The voice is the most important thing. If they didn't have an adequate singing voice capable of fold shenanigans, then there's no point accepting them. Military training, discipline, use of those shield drones, holographic gear, and even bravery in the face of the enemy can be trained, but not a fold-capable voice.

And for whatever reason, instead of being strapped into a cockpit while singing like in M7 or Frontier, they decided that singing up close works most effectively.

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>>14127226
>Her SUFFERING upon confronting the harsh reality of being a battle idol
Sounds great

>>14127246
>If she hadn't been on the planet when Var happened and Walkure deployed
But this is what I'm talking about. It all looks too convenient. So far the only thing she has done is pop up in places and sing, and gets pulled in skipping all the hard work (because fuck those girls that actually had to go through the preliminary auditions until the final auditions) because the higher ups saw her signing, because she just happened to be there. It just all looks too convenient, she has done nothing other that have super magical voice.

>>14127247
>>14127248
Ranka also had a magical voice that played an important part in the war, and it took her a bunch of episodes of signing before people started to give her importance because of it.

>>14127252
She has already been in the middle of a battlefield and she kept acting like an autist.

>>14127253
>Ranka also had a magical voice that played an important part in the war, and it took her a bunch of episodes of signing before people started to give her importance because of it.
Because they didn't find out until later that her singing affects the vajra. In Macross Delta, the government and military is already aware of the uses and properties of fold singing to combat the vars thing.

>>14127253
>Ranka also had a magical voice that played an important part in the war, and it took her a bunch of episodes of signing before people started to give her importance because of it.
Apples to oranges. Both their voices do different things, Ranka's can communicate with Vajra, Freya's cures the Var Syndrome and Chaos is actively looking for people with similar fold reactions in their voice. No one was looking for singers that can talk to space bugs.

>>14127226
>Freyja just looks like a spoiled kid.

Freyja is Ranka on steroids. She's Minmay, Sharon, Sheryl, and Ranka all rolled into one.

>>14127260
>Because they didn't find out until later that her singing affects the vajra.
Exactly. But you know why? Because Ranka was a nobody in the beginning of the show. And just because she hanged around Sheryl didn't mean she could skip auditions or win just because Sheryl was there. Hell, Sheryl knew Ranka could sing since early in the show and that didn't change Ranka had to work hard.

With Freyja is like "fuck you, other girls that auditioned, Mikumo knows I'm awesome because she heard me singing, I'm just going to the final auditions even though I'm late lol".

Hell, even at some point they were about to discard her because she didn't meet the expectations, until they pulled that prank on her because reasons? This is like Sheryl making Ranka win that beauty contest just because she was one the judges.

>been listening to Earth, Wind and Fire since OP posted the link
How do I get off this boogie train?

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>>14127258
When people she actually knows get killed we'll see.

>>14127247
Being of the same race as the guys they're almost at war with is another bonus.

>>14127270
So given that the circumstances are different, why is it such a problem that they would fast track someone with high potential into a military unit? Your complaint that Ranka had to work harder to get a similar spot would only make sense if they already knew Ranka's singing affects the Vajra yet subjected her to working bit jobs before she was allowed to advance. Ranka was only given a nudge toward an entertainment career by Sheryl, not special dispensation by the military.

>>14127262
You're missing the point.

Freyja got in just because Mikumo basically pulled her in, even though she didn't meet the numbers in the beginning. She never had to prove herself to them.

Knowing Sheryl didn't mean shit to Ranka's success. Even after they found out what her voice did to the vajras, Ranka still got herself to that point on her own. No one magically ran onto her and decided she was going to be an idol on the spot.

>>14127270
>fuck you, other girls that auditioned, Mikumo knows I'm awesome because she heard me singing, I'm just going to the final auditions even though I'm late lol"

Yes, because it's a military operation looking specifically for fold resonance not an audition to find the new member of AKB48. Fairness is irrelevant.

>Hell, even at some point they were about to discard her because she didn't meet the expectations, until they pulled that prank on her because reasons?
Again you completely failed to follow anything that happened. The staged attack was the final test to see if she could still sing under duress.

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>>14127278
>Freyja got in just because Mikumo basically pulled her in, even though she didn't meet the numbers in the beginning.
Except she did. And she got in because of her voice and actions on Shahal. They saw she had potential and let her in. They weren't going to let a singer with a high fold reactive response just walk away like that.

>>14127270
>Hell, even at some point they were about to discard her because she didn't meet the expectations, until they pulled that prank on her because reasons?
Are you retarded? They gave her another chance because she wasn't singing as high as before because she was nervous. It's really starting to sound like you didn't pay attention to the episode or you're just plain dumb.

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>>14127253
>hard work
>when they are not supposed to be regular idols
They already told us they are a tactical sound unit. They are in the fucking military and they need the fold shenanigans to fight the Var Syndrome.
They are looking for that ability in the people that joined the audition the whole time.
There are 4 girls with that ability in the audition, and only Freyja's fold wave output was anywhere close to what they need.

>it took her a bunch of episodes of signing before people started to give her importance because of it.
Because she was working towards being a regular idol that doesn't necessarily need fold wave shenanigans?
Walkure needed people that can produce fold waves first and foremost.
Hard work does not give you the ability to produce fold waves. You are either born with it or you get something like the Vajra-virus in you that will kill you over time if they are not in your intestines, or you are lab grown to do so(If the ending shot of Mikumo in the OP is any indication).

In fact, its the same circumstances that led to Hayate being recruited for Delta squad. Arad recognized that he had talent and roped him into Delta squad, an elite squad. Hayate wasn't even a fucking military recruit, he was just a random talented civilian.

>>14127278
And then once they discovered her ability she went from a newcomer having her first concert to toppling Sheryl in no time at all because the government prompted her up.

>>14127273

You're implying almost anyone dies in TV Macross shows outside of assholes and a couple love interests.

>>14127278
They tested everyone and the girl was the only candicate that even passed their basic qualification.

>>14127293
>government
Somebody's forgetting the part about the trans-galactic conspiracy that was looking for a way to control the Vajra queen's powers here.

>>14127248

> And for whatever reason, instead of being strapped into a cockpit while singing like in M7 or Frontier, they decided that singing up close works most effectively.

It's possibly because singing up close does work most effectively. We've already seen as much. Most of the Var victims were simply incapacitated. The only ones who were actually cured someone had to sing right in the face off. As such they presumably have to get up close and personal to cure them properly.

This may not always be the case, as the Windermere alien affecting people with Vars is doing so from light years away, but Walkure don't appear to know that technique or technology yet, so they can't do it.

Even if they learn how to though, they almost certainly won't sit back in safety and sing the majority of the time as they are not just curing victims, but helping the public survive them by directing drones, acting as bait and so on. Which can't be done nearly as effectively from anywhere else. They have the training and equipment to do so, so they will regardless of the risk, because they've accepted that risk as acceptable. They have back up too.

> "fuck you, other girls that auditioned, Mikumo knows I'm awesome because she heard me singing, I'm just going to the final auditions even though I'm late lol"

As other's have pointed out those girls were never getting the place anyways because while they may have been willing to step on to a battlefield and may have been able to sing they didn't have the ability to cure Vars. Freyja did, in a big way, so an exception was made to bring her in because they'd yet to find anyone else who could do all 3 things like Freyja after multiple interviews, and there's no point turning her away because she was late.

>>14127352

Additionally she has worked for it to some degree. She ran away from home, stowed away on a ship for weeks, took part in an active battle and passed the Walkure test. That's work. It may not be the same work, but it's still work regardless.

>>14127306

Didn't Grace mess with Sheryl and Ranka to push the former out while promoting the latter since doing so helped her? I thought it was her and not the government that were behind the initial push?

>>14127354
Not to forget giving up her home, which is also important, as military personnel above all know sacrifices must be made

Rankafags trying to shit on superior Freyja. TV show Ranka would have cried for Alto kun on Freyja's shoes.

That was a great episode. Both of them got beaten. They will probably get better together.

>Reina has green hair
>Her pilot is Kakizaki ver. Delta
Is Kawamori pairing those doomed for death already?

>>14127644
Chuck is throwing up deathflags like its going out of style.

don't mind me, just posting this http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm28596224

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O L E V

>>14127712
[Poo in the loo shitposting intensifies]

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I really forgot that Macross was fun

So, those are VF-1EXs

>>14127712
Why is it always the same guy though?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yuXTW6-d2w

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>>14127795

Satelight saves anime once again

>>14128084
The Ride, give us The Ride in english already.

Also, Messer is a spoilsport.

How was the CGI?

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>>14128186

>>14123795
This is some 90s-tier CG. It's like I'm watching ReBoot

>>14128211

You weren't even alive in the 90s

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I wonder who this is

>>14128210
lmao fuck G-forces am I right

What was the in-universe explanation for that again?

>>14120978
Where is this from?

>>14127795
From the thumbnail I tought she was standing between the Ninja Turtles.

Macross zero was 14 years ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZR_lGjtIHM

They didn't top this yet. It's getting worse.

>>14128239
The dead prince, probably?

>>14128291
Maybe? She appeared way too early and without much information too...

Hmmm, her VA sounds familiar as heck...can't tell exactly who

>>14128244
Super science cockpits I think. I can't remember.

>>14128239
Heinz

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>>14128302
>She
The VA voiced a lot of shota.

>>14128244
>>14128316
Ex-Gear and ICS. It is a safe bet that after Vajra incident it became kinda standard for pretty much anything that flies.
>>14128284
I feel old.

>>14128319
The singing voice misled it away though

>>14128316
Assuming Windermere is ONLY a kingdom full of boys, I stand corrected then in terms of the gender, looks like a loli to be honest

>>14128210

okay what the fuck

am i going crazy or does the VF-1 look way better than the CGI VF-31

>>14128084
VF-1X or VF-1EX?

>>14127651
Chuck is just Kakizaki in Ragnanese.

>mfw he gets to finish his meal before he is incinerated

>>14128375
Windermere is Altair from EVOL?

>>14128399
Walkure member being kidnapped and genderbent into a boy in 12 episodes

>>14128399
Who knows. Kawamori better explain stuff, and are Bogue's sisters even in Windermere if that's the case?

>>14128302
>she

Diamond tentacle = guy
hearts = women.
He's a King, anon.

I've posted this on /a/ already, might as well remind /m/ about this little bit of fun.
YSFlight with VFX pack.
http://mudspike.rgr.jp/download/ysfs_mod.html
http://www.ysflight.com/

>[gg]_Macross_Delta_-_03_[EA738580].mkv

>http://www.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=801949

>>14128555
This is getting old, you know.

>>14128375

Isn't Freyja from Windermere?

>>14128567
And there are still people who fall for this.

>>14128652

I fell for it last week, mostly because (a) I'd never seen it before and (b) it seems perfectly logical without any kind of malice to link an episode. What I don't get is what the point is. It doesn't make me mad to fall for it. I just close the tab and wait. It's the laziest trolling ever to me, since there's no effort and no apparent reward. I'm not sure what that anon expects really. Oh well. Got me I guess. Whatever that's worth.

>>14128725
u mad!

studio NEW

or

studio NEW-AY

>>14128725
It also woefully underestimates the amount of time it takes to get something translated in this era of instant subs not to mention gg's faster subbers are mostly all retired.

>>14128829
The Japanese pronunciation is unambiguous. ぬえ. If you don't know standard Japanese reading then you have no right to start an argument.

>>14128937
>start an argument

the fuck? all that was asked was "this or that"?

>>14128937
>>>/jp/

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>>14127226

>>14127273
They don't know that Draken pilots are from Windemere. They couldn't get any data from them due to their jamming.

>>14128951
Which you should know on /m/ leads to an argument guaranteed

>>14128382
Makina said VF-1EX when she was gushing over them.

The EX-Gear is in the cockpit so its probably a further upgraded version of the VF-1. We'll have to see what Makina was saying to see the difference.

>>14128567
I actually forgot they're on sundays, at least the raw is out and I'm good with that

>>14128618
Yeah...exactly..so the all boys kingdom is out of question. Maybe Windermere just lacks women or something.

>>14128526
Oh good, thanks for clearing that up. Seriously the singing voice was too...off, haha

This is the first time I'm watching Macross, and it is a really refreshing experience to me. I just never watched something like this before.

Also, as an Asian who isn't familiar with American culture, I have a question. What is the difference between Robotech(which is kind of localized version of Macross, iirc?) and the original Macross?

>>14130200
Robotech changed numerous things to fit into the continuity of the other two shows. While Robotech got off fairly easy compared to Southern Cross, it still had its fair number of changes as well.

For one; exposition via narrator was plentiful.
Two; they changed the meaning of Protoculture which sort of does have lasting impacts.

I'd say the biggest was that they basically kill of the bridge bunnies and Global unlike Macross where he retires, iirc.

>>14130250
>While Robotech got off fairly easy compared to Southern Cross,

I meant to say Macross Saga. Fuck me. I always forget they had subtitles with it.

>[gg]_Macross_Delta_-_03_[F342ECEA].mkv
Episode is out.

so Isamu had some flying inspriation from birds, or at least the giant bird thing
Shin learned from fish and birds
Hayate learned from a Mercat

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I just watched episode 03, and Hayate's scuba gear thing reminded me of this Indiegogo.

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/triton-world-s-first-artificial-gills-re-breather#/

http://www.southernfriedscience.com/ocean-anti-kickstarter-of-the-month-triton-gills-is-almost-certainly-a-scam/

>>14130272
Not this shit again

Oh wait, it's real this time.

I got a friend in Japan for the next 3 months or so.

Where to send him to get transforming Valkyrie toys?

Also, isn't their some bar in Tokyo that does special drinks in special glasses. Every time there is a new macross series on tv?

>>14130448
>Where to send him to get transforming Valkyrie toys?
if he's in tokyo Akihabaa, if he's in Osaka, denden town, or just any model kit stores really but those two places are your best bet

well there's the gundam cafe
>macross
oh, there's this but I don't know if this is still open
http://otakumode.com/news/53d31c498a9feb564a0063e0/Nyan-Nyan-Hanten-from-Macross-Frontier-Comes-to-Tokyo!-%E2%80%9CCafe-Bar-Characro-Feat-Macross-Frontier%E2%80%9D-Opens!

>>14130464
>pulling a cobra with a VF
it's not exactly hard now is it?

>>14130463
He has already been to Akihabara. I tell him to just poke his head into Yodabashi Camera every so often. It is where I got my SV-51, and YF-19, when I was stationed over there.

>>14130468
Well, Shin pulled it off with a VF-0 and held the VF in that mid-cobra state for quite a while.

>>14130468
VF-0s did it.

Cobra isn't hard when you have thrust vectoring and or canards.

>>14130469
worse comes to worst, amazon Japan.

>>14130200
Robotech is Super Dimension Fortress Macross, the first series, + Super Dimension Cavalry Southern Cross by the same production company + Genesis Climber Mospaeda which is entirely unrelated. Robotech takes most of the story elements from Macross and rewrites Southern Cross and Mospaeda to fit them so that they could get one coherent, super-long series out of it for syndication on American network TV back in the 80s.

Macross is mostly the same except Protoculture is now petroleum and not a civilization, though that civilization which created the Zentraaedi is renamed The Robotech Masters. Also, there's a super-genius scientist in the backstory called Zor, who took the last generator of protoculture and hid it in the Super Dimension Fortress, sending it off into space to keep it from the hands of The Robotech Masters so that their empire of conquest will crumble. That's why the Zentraedi end up at Earth in Robotech, as opposed to chasing a Supervision Army destroyer, who are Zentradi controlled by evil extra-galactic Cthulhu aliens used to destroy the Protoculture civilization in SDF Macross, or a Meltran destroyer in SDF Macross: Do You Remember Love where the Zentrans and Meltrans are fighting the gender war.

is there an audio file download for the Freya ED song?

>>14130496
Aside from that, Robotech has a darker ending to SDF Macross, where humanity and the zentraedi fail to establish a new society on Earth that rebuilds itself to establish a galactic empire. Instead, most of the Zentraedi revert to their warlike instincts, like what's happening with Var syndrome, and retreat to form a Zentraedi colony in South America and wage war on the humans up in North America. With most of the UN Spacy having gone off into deep space to confront the Robotech Masters, a new military is formed to genocide the remaining Zentraedi, known as the Army of the Southern Cross. Once they do that, the Robotech Masters show up to conquer the Earth and recover what Zor stole, which is the whole plot of the second arc.

Super Dimension Cavalry Southern Cross was part of the same "series" as Super Dimension Fortress Macross, the Super Dimension anime franchise which also included Super Dimension Century Orguss and was also unrelated to the other entries. They share some similar concepts: Transforming robots piloted by the heroes, fighting against dystopian/fascistic enemy forces, and a commentary on Cold War-era geopolitical concerns. Macross was about the bridging of of two hostile cultures, one creative and free and one totalitarian. Southern Cross was about environmental devastation brought on by unchecked civilization and nationalism. Orguss was kind of about nationalism and the effects of new, world-changing technologies.

Robotech in general is bleak compared to Macross. Billions die every few decades in alien invasions and shit.

>>14128382
vf-1EX per subs

it makes sense, VF-1X wouldn't have ex gear

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>>14130525
An aidoru after my own heart.

>>14130534
>military otaku
>tech head
>actual mechanic
>lesbian
/m/'s perfect aidoru

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>>14130513
Pretty good episode. Got to see some sweet dog fighting. The new song is lovely, and I can't wait for its release. Also, we got more shots of the Macross.

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>>14130540

Mikumo is Mirage.

Mirage wants to be an idol but family legacy forces her to be a pilot. So she created an alter ego AI and she switches places with it.

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>>14130552
You know it's going to happen.

>>14130540
She's not a lesbian.

>>14130571
Green and Pink are gayer than a $2 bill.

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Finally, a clean shot of that damn Macross.
>That antenna.
>>14130431
You mean scam, right?
It's not re-breather in the show too.
>>14130534
>>14130540
>/m/'s perfect aidoru
>Greens face sums up /a/ reaction when we post in their Delta thread.
>>14130571
>like sisters
Ok.

>>14130683
What is it in the show? Just mini scuba tanks?

Why don't those exist yet?

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>>14130823
Oh, they do exist but have lousy operation time and twin bottle design isn't really efficient.
Then again, overtech allows for some amazing things to be designed, so who know, it actually might be a rebreather after all.

>>14130856
As I see it, the main problem with these sci-fi scuba tanks is that humans breathe too much.

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>One month
Isn't that the time Shin took to learn to pilot a VF?

>>14131016
Did a month actually pass in-show?

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>"I could hear your song and feel the wind"
>feeling the wind
>He took off his helmet after hearing the song
>He has a necklace that is presumably fold quartz
Wait a minute, isn't that what happened to Alto in the movie?

When Alto put on the earring, we get this PoV-ish scene where everything shifts into some trippy world or something.
Maybe something similar is happening to Hayate whenever he "hears" Freyja's song through the fold quartz?

>>14131026
Yes and yes. Thou not specified how much time exactly passed, both Shinn and Hayate appear well lived-in.
>>14131060
Also yes.

Why is Mirage such an absolute cunt?

>>14131086
By the book girl that lived in the shadow of Jenius? She already got better. As did Freya and literally any other character on the Delta/Valkurie side. On the other hand, evil plotting right hand of young king seems stale.

and again, Messer is an asshole but this asshole does have a point.

>>14131096

Up until this episode she was just an unbelievable bitch for no reason.

>>14131096
Though, if Messer is forced into a 1v1 with Keith every battle, it'll be a hilarious slap on the face for him

>>14131099
You never had strict parents, expecting you to succeed no matter what, haven't you? Peer pressure does work wonders on ones personality.
She will eighter start enjoying flying and by this proxy life et all or she will be revealed that she never actually wanted to be pilot in a first place.
Also, secret Basara/Sheryl fan.
>>14131103
This was literally my first thought after I've saw his dialog. And with aerial knights theme on antagonist side, we can be pretty sure it will.

>>14131060
Another idea - Delta and girls are so in sync because they establish local fold network. Mirage is offbeat because, as mentioned, fold waves are generated when subject is in 'right' set of mind. It fits with her persona and her future growth as character.
>>14131016
Arad is a magnificent bastard.
And being a captain of Elysium is suffering.

>>14131111

>my parents were strict and expected the best and they were so good at everything I felt inferior
>better just slap the shit out of everybody and be an asshole for no reason

She literally drew her gun on a random civilian and wouldn't even let him explain. Then she walks up and starts punching the same guy in the face later because he went in an abandoned plane to try and save people. And then when she gets called out on it, then, and only then, does she start acting "by the book." Yeah, nah, she's a cunt.

>>14131114
Said civilian was assaulting young girl in a back alley.
Said civilian was using military hardware in a warzone after hijacking it, which itself is punishable under laws of combat irl, then proceeded to wreck said hardware, endangering everybody involved and civilian on the ground.
Oh, she is neurotic mess for sure but most of her issues come from one sentence "granddaughter of Millia and Max Jenius".
So, she is bitchy but with a really good reason to be so.

>>14131096
Messer seems prefer teamwork than some one vs one. He is a teamplayer. If Hayate would have finished without Messer messing with him then he would still think that he doesn't need to take lessons.

>>14131103
>Though, if Messer is forced into a 1v1 with Keith every battle, it'll be a hilarious slap on the face for him
I think it would be a slap to Keith since he is described as chivalrous. It's Keith who is going to look stupid with every episode asking for a duel.

>>14131111
It doesn't even have to be strict parents. The weight of expectation on her for being a Jenius alone is pretty fucking much.

>>14131185
>asking for a duel
He doesn't have to ask though.
And even if he did, and they refused, Messer could be forced into a 1v1 duel thanks to Delta squad being busy with the others.

>>14131208

You would think not being a bitch would be one of those expectations.

>>14131213
Miria was a bitch.

>>14131111
>Peer pressure does work wonders on ones personality.

Wouldn't that cast her as the inferior woman when Freyja comes from medieval anti Walkure society, stood a trip as a stowaway to live the life as she wanted and not as others dictated it to be? I really hope that's not the case, because she'll just be slapped and lectured by Freyja or by Hayate using Freyja as example.

>>14131219
Initially, sure. It seems that her growth, together with Hayate maturing, makes up their character arcs in the first half. Thou calling any of them inferior or superior is wrong, as it is shown that Freya is carrying her won baggage and genki persona of hers might be eighter a facade or elaborate PTSD.

>>14131211
It's most likely how it's going to be.

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Background design for Macross Delta : Ragunyanyan restaurant.

That VF-1EX transformation is triggering the hell out of me. Every time I watch it it confounds me, something about it is cheating and not right

>>14131448
Order of things. The 'tail' part going first before legs?

I've been looking at getting some smaller-scale VF models for potential miniature wargaming use.

So far, the only possibly-decent ones I've spotted are the new Mecha Colle ones, although those are only in fighter mode.

Does anyone know if there are other small (smaller than 1/144 scale) models available for the various Macross mecha?
And don't mention the Robotech RPG Tactics stuff; fuck giving money to a partnership between Harmony Gold and their traditional gaming equivalent, Palladium.