What went wrong?

>>14106962
Everything.

>>14106968
This desu family.

>>14107041

I don't mind him being a pro-active killer. I just mind him being an autist non-character in every other respect.

Heero is actually a better kind of comparison. He somehow manages to have personality despite being a stoic one man army.

Murderzuki's drive at the end of the day is just MUH ORGA.

>>14106962
Nothing. Well, there were some wrong things but it's much better and popular than G-Reco so it's an improvement.

>>14106962
Its like a porno where the girl looks pretty nice they talk to her a bit she gives the same dull responses, she tries to sound sexy but its not but its also not bad enough to be humorous.

Then they fuck in the same position for most of the video and the camera angle isn't great. The guy eventually pulls out and gives her a facial and cums a bit more than the average, but other than that its pretty normal.

Then its like that's it? He could have pissed on her afterwards or something.

I guess what I was trying to say is it was somewhere along the lower side of average, but its all shit we've seen before which takes most of the excitement out of it.

>>14107138
This thread turned out so much better than I could have ever possibly anticipated.

This is probably the best analogy I've ever seen. Although for me the cumshot wasn't even that good.

>>14107093
>not realizing he's using Orga as an excuse to massacre.
>not realizing he's using Kudelia for her ability to stop hundreds of soldiers with her words.
>not realizing Mika was more of a Bad Guy then anyone else in the series.
Like so many evil genius' , his work goes unappreciated

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>>14107138
Saved

Which kinda reminds me, there was so little of anything funny or memorable in IBO. For most of the series the only joke we had was Kudelia being useless, long lost brothers and exposition. Outside that it was just people failing to force stuff like the mgs analogies. The show was really lacking in stand out moments, at best it has very generic anime shit like jumping back cause omg a kissu (that we never fucking expand on). The show was straight up badly written

>>14106962

Why the fuck did that robot land into the corn field? You know how much corn got ruined now because of that?? Fucking mecha pilots, I swear...

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Would you have watched it?

>>14107246
The corn is apparently near-worthless in value on Mars anyways.

No idea why they're even growing corn if it's like that though as corn is a very rough crop on soil.

>>14106962
Nothing, its what i wanted.

>>14107254
I did watch it. It was called the first three episodes of IBO and they were actually good.

The meta-irony in OPs post is amazing. the shitposting of "what went wrong", before*, during and after the show is what went wrong.

*seriously, shitposting about a show BEFORE it's even aired, then forcing the meme when the shows started. /m/ will never be seen as a legit review board, anon.

>>14107254
And if they'd gone with that recycled plot (think about it) then there would have been legitimate reasons to shit on the show the way the board did.

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>>14106962

>>14107125
Sup ANN

>>14107340
>/m/ will never be seen as a legit review board

A review is just an evaluation on something there isn't much of a way to empirically evaluate a show.

There isn't much of a reason to care about what any review says, its just looking at opinions and possibly getting a different perspective on something.

>>14107347

Jesus that picture is embarrassing. It's just a load of opinions and random posts about how much X dislikes the show or what would make it better, rather than shit like SEED gets, pointing out where the show went wrong.

>>14106962
This is the first anything gundam related i have ever watched and I'm enjoying it a lot. Idk why you guys hate it so much,

>>14106962
You know what? I finally finished this last night, after having let it drop for a while a few episodes before Biscuit died. I went in with very low expectations for it because of the hate it gets around here, but I didn't find it to be that bad, honestly.

The characters aren't that amazing, but they're at least consistent to themselves. The "but they're just children" thing is pretty heavy-handed, but seldom gets to the degree of being obnoxious. The fights (when we have any) are generally decently choreographed, and of course, it's nice to still have hand-drawn animation, even if it is a letdown in parts. The melee-focused combat is more interesting to watch in general than the beam/funnelspam many recent Gundam shows have been. And with the exception of Kimaris, I think the mechanical designs are at worst decent.

Also, in the final fight, it was kind of nice to have only one party spewing philosophy, while Mika was just completely ignoring him while trying to figure out how to beat someone faster and more agile than him, which he'd never faced before. The "let's just crank my allotta vagina system to maximum" was kind of a cop-out, but at least he paid the price of losing vision in his right eye and use of his right hand, which makes it feel less so. Even if they both do work fine when he pilots, lessening the loss a bit.

It's no masterpiece to be sure. It's not even a great show. But it does manage to do some new things for a Gundam, and the plot at least provides a passable vehicle to keep the action going. I dunno if I'd ever rewatch it, but I don't regret that I watched it the first time.

>>14107340
The only solution, one which very people seem willing to do, is ignore shitposting. Post your personal and honest opinions. Don't reply to trolls, and don't drop to their level in discussion when they engage you. Don't be condescending either though, because nobody likes a douchebag.

I realize it's often hard to do when its so commonplace, but the only way to make things better is to start with yourself and hope enough other people follow suit that it begins to change things.

>>14107421
>Jesus that picture is embarrassing. It's just a load of opinions and random posts about how much X dislikes the show or what would make it better
That is exactly like a seed thread.

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>>14106962
A lot did. And I don't care. Despite its flaws IBO came out as surprisingly enjoyable.
/m/ hates it because /m/ hates general idea of fun and everything that is less dull than Votoms.

>>14107497
The fact that Gaelio is less flexible than the others really sells this picture to me.

>>14107495
Let's be fair: the general consensus as to what SEED, and Destiny in particular, did wrong has been apparent for a long time and discussed to death. You still get the same shitposters going "it's shit and you're shit for not hating it", but then that's the same with any show. There's just more with SEED because it's at best a deeply flawed show, and at worst the beginning of the truly obnoxious self-righteous UNDERSTANDING disease that plagued Gundam for over a decade after it. What it represents triggers a more emotional reaction than what it specifically does.

>>14107495

I wasn't talking about the threads though, I was talking about what that picture was obviously trying to emulate: which is pictures pointing out what SEED did wrong and why it's a bad show. Genuine critiques of it, not just opinions. Like that picture pointing out how SEED is bad because Kira connects to everything and becomes too central to everything. Yea, it's still an opinion at the end of the day, but it's an informed and informative one - as opposed to that pic, which is just a load of people saying it's bad and here's what I wish we got instead.

>>14107497
I like Gaelio, Carta and Char.

Show should have been about them.

Show should have been about Grazes

>>14106962
Nothing actually. The show is intended for Fujoshi. /m/en are not Fujoshi, that's why IBO should be moved to /a/.

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>>14107586
> fujoshi

I dunno dude its attracting female cosplayers of the girls

>>14107629
You do know fujoshi and cosplayers aren't exclusive, right?

>>14107347
Anime quality is noticeably getting worse. Gundam and Dragon Ball are huge titles, but they can't seem to put the effort into the animation.

>>14107456
I haven't watched it yet, but if you like this but hated all the other Gundam series, it's pretty clear why it might be the opposite for Gundam fans.

>>14107456
Exposition out the ass, for one thing. This is like 5 or 8 episodes stretched out into 26.

>>14106962
They dropped all their fun and interesting characters with legitimate potential to focus on Kudelia, a character concept that no one asked for and has been done to hell.
Also animation.

>>14106962
Less stuff than greco

>>14106962
They killed Fumitan. Also Nagai Space and Okada sucking at their respective jobs.

>>14107539
Most of the posts chosen were pretty worthless. Sad thing is there are enough problems with IBO to fill the picture.

What Went Wrong?

>animation
Worst I've seen in a TV gundam. AGE and TRY doesn't have shit on this. I would say the designs are too complex to be animated well in the first place for a TV gundam but Greco literally did just that, with the same mecha designers.
>pacing
Garbage. There are less action sequences than there were in Turn A somehow let they're all less engaging. Guison fight was particularly bad. They spend a lot of time on character development and plot advancing episodes but it all doensn't come together that well.
>Story
Took too long to actually go anywhere and even when it did, there were hardly any reasons to care. Why do we really care about Makanai getting elected again? Because he'll fight for Mars independence with Kudielia and it'll Cuck Char clones dad out of more power or something? It wasn't very compelling and there was a bunch of background dealings with characters that never really went anywhere.
>Characters
Mostly fine, but just like the story and pacing they dont really go much of anywhere in a whole 25 episodes besides Kudelia and maybe Orga. After Atra decides to be Mikazuki's Side bitch after the first 10 episodes that's exactly what she stays until ep 25. People seem to like Mikazuki becaue he's kind of a psychopath but besides some weird "fish out of water" scenes with Kudelia that's pretty much it for him. At least Setsuna had Saji, Ali Al and Marida to extend his character's range in the first season of 00. Mikazuki is literally more thin than him.

Also that gay romance they were not so subltly hinting at also stays the exact same since they started it. What's the point of it if Shino and the kid are only going to exchange looks every few episodes and that's the extent of it?

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>>14107347
>heero having a personality
baka desu senpai

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>>14106962
absence of femEin

Now for all the people ago who are going to ask about how other people like /a/ and Reddit like it, I think it's due to how Bandai is marketing it to people who haven't seen Gundam before. They have lower expectations as they haven't really seen other shows. They haven't seen Turn A, so they thought that the idea of little Mecha in episodes as great, and stuff like that. I think that if any of them actually will watch future Gundams, they'll view it like how some of us viewed Wing. Also /r/Gundam is mixed about bit to set the record.

>>14107093
I've said it before, and I'll say it again
Iron Blooded Orphans would have been 100% improved if you replaced Mikazuki with M.D Geist.
That way you might have actually gotten some drama and interpersonal conflict going.

>>14108357
>Or make him like Kruger from Elysium in Season 2.
>Little boy has tough life
>Little boy has to kill to survive
>And he starts to like it
>That little boy turns into a monster
>and that monster grows up

>>14108369
Basically.
I stopped watching around episode 14, but I remember they had a scene where Mikazuki realises he's starting to enjoy fighting. Do they ever follow up on that? Does Mikazuki ever start to question himself, or his co-workers start questioning him?

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>>14108375
No, he mentions this to Orga near the end but they play it off like it was some inspirational speech, I guess it was lost in translation.

Oh and before I forget, he somehow gets more power out of Barbatos through some shonen esque bullshit and loses some vision in one of his eyes (but) only when he isn't connected to the ALayna vagina thing.

>TFW the series ends with him getting a bonus to his check and a pat on the head

>>14108400
Eh, I don't mind the shounen thing too much if it has a trade off.

>>14108405
Lets be real here, they're probably going to ignore it past the first three episodes then use it as a weak plot contrivance towards the end

>>14108421
>It's like Inahos eye all over again
Jesus please no

>>14108445

you know it will happen, so why bother thinking otherwise?

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>>14108400
>He somehow gets more power out of Barbatos
How fucking autistic are you /m/anchildren that you didn't grasp the point of that scene? Barbatos, in some cultures, is a demon/devil. Mikazuki made A DEAL WITH THE DEVIL in order to gain more power. He gave up his sight and one of his arms in exchange for this. It's like you have to have everything spoonfed to you.

>>14108477
Damn dude calm down. I get the symbolism but it was never established that there was a severe physical cost of using it. So really they just sort of pulled it out of their asses last minute.

>>14108477
Just because it thematically makes sense, doesn't mean that it was ever logically established.

>>14108477
But wait aren't autists incredibly particular about specific facts and whatnot?

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Why couldn't we save him, /m/en?

>>14108519
For all we know he probably survived, considering how they did a thematic u turn on the Turbine girls

>>14108510
I mean, risky surgeries in the first place, people having nosebleeds and seizures being hooked in to the AV system...i don't know how it isn't obvious that there's a greater physical cost to all of this in the end, especially someone like Mikazuki who has had the surgery 3 times and is in the most powerful suit.

>>14107998
Mikazuki had Orga and Atra as huge motivating factors though, and had plenty of pivotal scenes. Hell, Atra's bracelet played a role, Orga talking through to Mikazuki played a role. He showed he cared about all of his friends, comforting Shino, being concerned about Akihiro, being angry about Biscuit. Now I actually agree that Setsuna's a better character in the sense that he's more affected by the people around him, but Mikazuki isn't all about Kudelia or even mostly about her.

>>14107998
>Also that gay romance they were not so subltly hinting at also stays the exact same since they started it

Thank god, it was boring. Where can you really go with a calm dynamic like that? If anything, it makes sense for them to keep it as a subtle background thing and then a "whoops, we're together now", or some quiet confession. Otherwise it's not a dynamic with a lot of chemistry or something you can really tell an interesting story with. The writers know this and know they just need quiet pining from one end and reassuring smiles from the other to hook fangirls, no substance beyond that. We really don't need more screentime of them together.

>>14108809
>Atra's bracelet
"Oh, better not let this get blood on it." BANG.
*snnnniiiffff* "Ah fuuck, that's the shit." *SNNIIIFFFF* "Oh hell yeah, I fucking love this thing."

Thus concludes the role of Atra's bracelet.

>>14107093
>Heero
>manages to have personality

I don't think he does. I think he's a flat, one-dimensional edgelord and one of the worst Gundam pilots in the franchise.

And yet I still agree with you that he compares favourably with Mikazuki.

>what went wrong
Naze Turbine turned out to be a really nice guy.
Now we can't call him TURBO NAZI. What a waste.

Other than that, nothing really. People bitch and moan about limited animation (sliding still images instead of needlessly fully animating something that doesn't need to be flailing around anyway) as if it isn't something that every anime in the history of ever has done from time to time. Some people complain that the plot is too slow and predictable, but I'd counter by pointing out the complete lack of bickering about the story not making sense (I don't need to name that show, you KNOW who you are). It was a straight-up, stripped-down story that got right to the point and stayed there.

>>14108828
There's also the bit in the final episode where he tells her that it protected his left arm.
>>14108510
>it was never established that there was a severe physical cost of using it
So you just didn't notice all the times people had seizures and nosebleeds from it? Mika locking up the first time he jacked into it? Eugene in considerable pain and bleeding from his face from controlling two ships at once?
None of that?

>>14108935
Wow I'll bet that a stupid bracelet actually protected him right? It didn't stand for or symbolize anything. It was just a bracelet that Atra made but considering his only two emotions are "detached autism" and "turbo friend-protecting rage", it never comes off as special. It elicits nothing but a couple of whiffs from him.

isn't season 2 coming in the fall? if so would it be improved if mika became the antagonist and had to be put down in the end?/spoiler]

>>14108954

As with so much in IBO, the premise is fine but the execution wouldn't do it justice.


>best writer and director in anime, they said

>>14108945
This is Gundam. Pubic hair bracelets have actual power.

>>14108923
If you don't like animation in your animation, I don't know what to say. We complained about it because it was constant and obviously a cost-saving measure (amplified by how most moving scenes had a considerable level of QUALITY) rather than a normal level to keep focus directed on what the director wants. You can't defend how bad it looked. Probably the worst-animated season in Gundam history and could have benefitted from a little stock footage instead of spreading the budget (which I assume is tiny) so thin. Really just poor decisions in the production team.

>the hard-to-understand meme again
And the story was barebones but had nothing to gain from it. G-Reco at least showed us an interesting world. I could feel the scale of the capital, I could feel how close it was when they were in the nearby jungles, even space felt filled. Characters were interesting. Unique personalities, even if they didn't have a focus or importance in the plot. Different motivations for different characters. Interacting and doing things outside of what the plot mandates. It filled space. IBO has none of this. It's entirely focused on the story (and muh family), which even you admit is stripped down to the very basics. That's all anyone talks about. It's all anyone's characters are, besides TWO (2) instances otherwise. And that is the gay kid's crush and Atra's crush, because they don't fit into the first two categories. The characters are lifeless puppets. The scene direction is particularly bad, because nothing seems like part of an extended world, it feels like characters just walk between set pieces and the generic corridors and generic city street and generic XYZ. The music does nothing to help. Characters are always revealing a SHOCKING TRUTH (*pupils dilate*). It's never natural.

If your idea of fun is someone repeating the plot to you every episode then you can stick to A/Z.

>>14109028
>If you don't like animation in your animation, I don't know what to say.

The one that always got me was the number of shots that were simply a cut to one mecha having just finished off its opponent. We didn't see the fight, there was no action or sense of struggle, you'd just see the good guys pulling their weapon out of a dead mobile suit and 'winning'.

>>14109009
rip amuro ;_;7

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>>14106962
At least has a fucking dick Char

>>14108923
>Naze Turbine
I just find it funny with how much back-tracking they did.
>introduce him as some kind of a space saudi prince with his own harem
>haha, just kidding, now that we have your attention, we'll reveal that it's not really his harem, the girls are still pure

>>14108935
Discomfort is one thing, severe nerve damage is another entirely I mean they showed issues but outside it being straining, there was no real indication that it was dangerous

>>14108923
>It was a straight-up, stripped-down story that got right to the point and stayed there.

Not really, from when they left Mars to when they made planetfall, the entire story dragged

>>14106962
Lot of things but the change in ED theme is quite possibly the biggest.

>>14109397
>losing control of your nervous system and severe nosebleeding is just 'discomfort'

>>14109430
That was in the last episode though, everyone else just got nosebleeds. Then again, you're probably a pussy

>>14109430
I can see what he means though. We assumed that once you got used to it, that was it. Nothing showed it could go higher, only lower. Then at the last second he says "oh all I needed this whole time was MORE PROCESSING POWER" and overloads, giving him a victory with almost no effort. Like, it took the combined brains of him, Barbatos and overclocking enough to blow the fuse on his eye and arm, and all that changes is realizing the katana is for exposed parts (genius) and better reflexes. And he uses his better reflexes to cut exactly where he could have earlier. Even though torsos are perpetually exposed and fragile. If we had been given a little bit longer to check out his newfound power I can understand but it came off as a win button.

So we miss out on a cool hyper-Mika fight, Guts' Graze Grinder, and any other interesting fights for a really shitty Kaioken.

>>14109451
Fucking this
>fuck you for reminding me that we got robbed of the Graze Grinder

>>14108923
Well what can I say besides stick to AZ because the "I don't get it"/"hard to understand" meme is actually true and you're one fine example of the guy that's even okay with shit Animation in Anime. People dare say other series has one dimensional characters when all there is to IBO characters are the story and muh family as to become "straight forward". Yeah no wonder people find IBO boring buddy maybe you'd prefer to read a book since you're okay with poses looking good instead of "needless animation" and muh ultra serious characters that only exist as set pieces.

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>>14109511
Did you really have to completely redo your post just to get rid of the G-Reco part?

>>14109517
It's obvious what he meant but yeah I'm not Reco fag so that didn't need mentioning.

>>14107347
Really wish this image would stop being posted. Lot of those posts were taken out of context replying to people making claims like they watch IBO solely for the robots.

>>14107456
I enjoyed parts of it, but it's my worst Gundam and there are a lot of shitty Gundams.

Are we ever going to get the ratings for the last 5 episodes?

>>14108923
A lot of shows have shitty animation but hide it well, IBO somehow made it more obvious instead.

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>>14109576
Yeah for some reason IBO manage to make them quite obvious, the moment a quality moment appears it’s almost in the center of the screen or a focus point, like quality Atra or the doodles in the Dort colony protest and many others more

>>14107154
THIS!!!

Not keeping First Corps as part of Tekkadan as extra pilots and fodder.

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>>14110052
At what level does Atra evolve into Merribit? Or is there a stage in between? The hair is a dead giveaway.

>>14107254
This. If only they do this I would love this show, but shit happened.

not appreciating the best Gundam in 10 years...

this is why /b will NEVER have nice thins.

Off to play with my awesome new gunpla, faggots.

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>>14109423
ED2 is so fucking worthless.

>>14110052
I love those shots full of irrelevant characters, characters with no substance, all together doing nothing. IBO is full of those.

>>14110052
>Dr.Merribit I'm IBO

>>14110388
Can we get a translation on this?

>>14110408
A bunch of mecha MC who don't seem like they can get a conversation going.

Inaho: Doesn't he feel cold.
Heero: So sour, it's killing me.
Setsuna: I am Gundam
Mika: Guess I'll bring some back for Orga and the gang.

>>14110543
>Setsuna: I am Gundam
Pffft classic.

>>14110017
My favorite scene of the anime. It was like they didn't even bother to check ANY frame.

>>14112576
The Barbatos is so sexy.

>>14106962
It kept blowing its load without proper foreplay. Everything leading up to each arcs climax was mediocre.

>>14117392
It really has grown on me. I fully confess to being one of those who didn't like it when it was first revealed. The tiny waist just seemed like such a structural weakness that it lost all credibility as a military machine to me. But It's probably in my top 5 favorite Gundams now.

There's still a second season though, what the fuck are you all on about with this past tense bullshit. Saying "I'd rewatch it" when the show isn't over is poor form.

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>Second season
>Shitloads of gunpla being produced
>This
IDK you tell me :^)

>>14117820
you realize those ratings are generated by viewers and not ANN themselves right

>>14117859
Are you implying ANN is more trustworthy as a source than aggregated review scores

>>14117869
the fille is labeled "ann's bullshit" when it's not their score, but the score average of random people. I'm providing a correction to your file name.

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>>14117878
Well, the scores are from ANN, and people typically don't make the distinction anyways.

Either way, I call most of my images _____ bullshit.

>>14117820
It only had 128 votes.

>>14117897
Then go vote.

For me is the most realistic Gundam series till the moment, expect for the physics, the personalities its because is an anime
for 1st time children soldiers make sense

>>14117899
Why?

>>14107998
It's not hard to have less action scenes than Turn A, since Turn A had at least one action scene in every single episode, literally. (I don't care about your other complaints.)

>>14118000

I thought it did too, but then someone pointed out that I was wrong and that are at least a few that have no action - like episode one. I think the one where Dianna works at the war hospital has no action either, since I think that was the example used. Most episodes have action, but not all.

>>14117820
According to this Destiny is the best series ever

>>14118057
Seed*
I was wrong

>>14118057

Can you not read or something? 0079 and Zeta alone both have better rankings. The only thing Destiny leads them in is the amount of people who've seen it.

>>14118062

Still wrong, Zeta and 00 outrank it

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>>14118082
oh, I thought i saw the whole, the image had too much zoom

>>14117820
0080 IS THE BEST fucking gundam ever'

>>14118224
If you ever had any doubt about this being one of the best Gundam series, this one episode will dispel that doubt. In some anime, hundreds of people could die in one episode, and it's meaningless. In this series, one person dies, and it means everything. That is the sign of a good series.

>>14117925
Because it would have more then.

>>14118057
Unicorn.