Why is the Leo so perfect?

>>14096955
Because it's a perfect homage to Zaku without being another Zaku.

>>14096963
Literally this. Plus its modular and utilitarian design which perfectly evokes the rank-and-file soldier/warrior motif.

>>14096955
Because it's a baby tallgeese.

>>14096955
Because Katoki makes kick ass grunts.

Leo, Taurus, Seperent, Virgo I & II, Aries.

Seriously Wing had the best looking grunts. It sucks they go against the most overpowered Gundams of the franchise.

Also where the fuck is my REEEEEEE100 Leo?

>>14097069
>It sucks they go against the most overpowered Gundams of the franchise.
Except Shenlong - as we saw in that one time Heero and Duo basically cucked Wufei in their Leos.

>>14096955
It goes KA-BOOOM very fast?

>>14097079
EW Altron is one of the weaker suits, its basically just a melee fighter.
Heero can't do shit in that space Leo, he doesn't damage Altron at all and ends up ditching it.

>>14097107
>Heero can't do shit in that space Leo
He doesn't die, that's pretty impressive given the suit's 100% explodium frame.

>EW Altron is one of the weaker suits, its basically just a melee fighter.
EW still kept the laserbeam tail and the extendable dragon arms offer a lot of usability. Could always be worse, could be sandrock.

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>>14097154
>laserbeam tail
>go check for Altron EW reference shots because Wing was forever ago
>internet proceeds to show an image with the tail despite it not being a thing
God damn it, Google Images.

>>14097154
EW doesn't have the wings or the tail.
Glory of Loser's does. It isn't explained why it doesn't have it in EW, considering that the wings were for space combat and mobility.

>HGAW REVIVE LEO WHEN!?

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>>14097161
It's a fun art image, but it's based on the recent manga.

Its kind of gay they didn't redesign the wings and tail, they just pasted the TV version.

>>14096963
This sounds so right.

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>>14097069
>Aries
Not enough people appreciate just how fine it is.

>>14097254
T H I C K

>>14096955
Did anyone ever make models for the non-Gundam suits from Wing, and are they still available?

>>14097254
It's always name dropped right next to Leo.
Arguably one of the most distinct ms

Also one of the only suit that looks good all black.

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>>14097300
Leo and Taurus have LM 1/144 they are shit quality and ultra rare to find.

Leo has and Aries also have some 1/100 B Club resin kits with no articulation. That are also expensive and ultra rare.

Last month on ebay some Chink company had 1/144 Caner and Pieces resin kits on sale.
If you check ebay now and then sometimes you see similar stuff.

>>14098344
It is kind of weird that in Wing Earth is bad and the rouge colonies are the good guys.

>>14096955
>had an MSIA leo as a kid.
>gave it heavy arms customs gatling guns and a space pack
>fuck yeah

>>14098388
>rouge colonies
>rouge

Purple/pinkish was always a good color.

>>14097254
M-man those legs are lewd.
They put nobels to shame.

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>>14097254

>>14096955
Fuck. I really want an alternate universe of gundam, without gundams, but with grunts and an 08th ms team feel.

>>14098641
That is exactly what I want, too.

>>14098641
>Fuck. I really want an alternate universe of gundam, without gundams
I'd like an AU to go the opposite way of MS:G. Have the first third or so of the show be really dirty grunt fights and then have the one-off OP custom suits show up.

As a frame of reference, like, imagine if IBO had capitalized on the first few episodes. We saw mobile worker combat and that was gritty as fuck - lots of those kids bit it from snipers and shit. Yeah, they were unnamed scrubs in the background, but that's okay. Had Mika and the Barbatos not proceeded to make absolutely everyone they fought look like a bunch of incompetent hacks, we could've had an appropriate sense of desperation as these kids with limited resources have to survive the onslaught of an all-powerful organization. But no, muh allota vagina gives me super-human reflexes that transfer directly to the suit.

I suppose what I want is for the Gundam itself to be the mid-season upgrade - not entirely unlike how Amuro was the reason why the Gundam remained relevant until it got the magnetic coating but even then it wasn't all that great.

>>14098641
I'd like to see a GW prequel OVA with a younger Trieze and Zechs fighting with only grunts. Putting down rebelions.

I'd also like to know how Trieze became a coronal by age 19.

>>14098929
Parts of the flashback parts of Frozen Tearderp is exactly that with everyone using various Leo types.

>>14096955
Because the zaku is best mobil suit so it's momy suit had to be Perfect.

WIng has the best grunt suit designs, although I can't really say the same for its gundam designs

Sandrock best

>>14097300
>>14098315
Do the Japanese have an appreciation for the Leo? Meaning is there ever a chance in hell of us getting a new kit?

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>>14098315
On the flip side, they gave the Leo and Aries a release for the ROBOT Damashii series. But those are more an upgraded version of MSiA rather than a model. They're still extremely well built and relatively cheap.

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>>14099324
Basically Japan doesn't like anything that isn't UC a lot of younger people like Seed I guess.

GoL manga is pretty popular among Gundam fans, and I heard even FTD is well received.

But a new color Zaku model would sell as well if not better than a totally new Leo model.

About 4 months before any official announcement of the MG Altron, Gundam Ace said there's rumors of it, and then hinted at Leo possibly also being released.
I had high hopes for a Leo RE100. But so far nothing, Bandai is focusing on IBO and Star Wars.

Does anyone know when the next big model announcements would be?

>>14099352
I might have bought a few if Bandai made some PG or new HG kits like Altron or Tallgeese since the size is about the same.

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>>14096955
I hope I'm posting the right image.

>>14099352
How cheap is relatively cheap? I normally don't deal with models of any kind so I have no idea what's considered a good price or not. For some reason I would like Leo though.

>>14099710
Robot Damashi are action figures not models, you don't build them or anything.

They aren't that cheap, but compared to buying a 100+ dollar LM 1/144 Leo or 100+ dollar 1/100 resin statue, it's reasonable.

>>14096955
Whatever happened to this artist anyway?
The guy who had that Gundam encyclopedia website before wikis were even a thing.

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>>14099717
That should show you just how little I know then. The fact those are action figures and not models is all the better for me. I probably wouldn't even be able to put a model together anyway.

>>14099717
There seems to be a 2004 2 pack Leo set floating around. Anyone have a comparison to the new Tamashii Nations 2013 models?

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Does anyone remember Brother Leo?

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>>14099733
Robot Damashii are pretty much universally praised except there's no scale, but w/e.

I built two 1/100 models and my autism needs a 1/100 Leo for display purposes.

>>14096955
Why is water so dry?

>>14097168
It broke and they didn't have time to repair it.

>>14099770
The wings and the stinger broke, and they had time to remove them and modify the backpack, and install thrusters to compensate for the lack of wings?

>>14099352
Thanks, /m/. Just ordered a space Leo and Aries.

>>14099774
More like "just grabbed the Shenlong's backpack and slapped it on" but yes.

You have to remember that all of Wing's Gundams were redesigned so that their base forms were almost identical to their upgraded ones.

>>14098750

I agree with a lot of what you're saying, BUT:

I also think that any unit as comparatively powerful as, for example, any AC Gundam, cannot contribute positively to the story in the the hands of the protagonists.

>>14099717
I disagree, a better a way to describe them is they're assembled and painted FG models. (Definitely better than the LM that were made.)

>They aren't that cheap
What do you consider cheap? You can still find the normal Leos for 2k to 2.5k yen.

>>14099846
>Moss Green or Purple?
The latter is expensive because it was a Japanese website only exclusive and you're lucky to find one for 50k or cheaper now.

>>14102341
Purple. Might pick up a Moss Green or two. Currently searching for Cancer and Pisces.

>>14096963
Leo always seemed more a like a descendent of the GM then the Zaku to me. The face visor just seems way too Jim then Zack. Plus given its modular and weapon packs ability, hardpoints, and general excellence as a jack-of-all-trades type of suit.

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>>14097107
>Heero can't do shit in that space Leo

>>14104290
GM has actual separate eyes behind the visor, though Leo is a true mono-eye, and thus closer to the Zaku. Then there's the paint scheme, not chosen by accident, leading us towards seeing it as a Zaku equivalent rather than the GM equivalent. Also, fat legs and abundance of (sometimes slight) curves suggests Zaku more than GM, as well.

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>>14096963
pffffft

>>14104421
That's almost more a Leo homage rather than a Zaku homage. Squareface and color scheme are the giveaway.

>>14104290
>>14104400
Ive always seen the Leo as having shades as both, fitting as it's the suit of the world government so it needs some of the simpler mass production of being the Tallgeese's GM and some GM aesthics and some of the mass produced gruntness and aesthics of the Zaku.

The Graze is pretty similar in that fashion as well.

>>14104421
Graze is a bad grunt design because theres nothing cute about it
graze kai is cute though

>>14104421
>bad Leo expy
>bad Gundam show
>dumb fights

>>14104421
It's chest piece looks like a duck bill.

>>14104849
can't see it

can you highlight/color it?

>>14104251
Where did you pick it up and for how much if you don't mind me asking?

>>14099241
Almost all the suits in the TV show (including 2/3 of the gundams) are god-tier. All the suits in EW are shit.

My opinion is objectively an opinion.

>>14096955
It's a shame wing had such great designs brought down by the absolute worst plot and characters in the history of Gundam. It's worse than SEED.

That said the Leo is definitely the best looking and most useful grunt of all time. Suck it GM

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>>14104421
This skinny copycat doesn't compare to the glourious bulk of the Human Reform League, comrades!

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>>14104421
For the sake of ZAFT, the Keepers will not fail!

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>>14104421
01001011010010010100110001001100

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>>14104421
The superiority of the Space Colonies will grant us victory!

>>14096955
its ok

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>>14104421
You'll pay for what you did to the martian colonies, earthling!

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>>14104421
Mars? Aren't we supposed to fight against the Moonrace?

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Mobile Ginn is best.
Leo a shit.
Graze a shit.
Tieren a shit.

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>>14104421
Neo-Japan, BANZAI!

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>>14096955
Good.

>>14104421
Shit.

>>14104877
Good.

>>14104891
Uninspired shit.

>>14104907
Shit.

>>14104927
Shit.

>>14104938
Decent.

>>14104945
Zaku/10.

>>14104966
Shit.

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THIS UNIT>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>shit>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Crap Leo

>>14104987
>overly bulky
>purple color
>XBOX huge backpack
>mono-eye
>skirt armor
Shit/10

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Moran is best.
Leo is full of SHIT.

>>14104861
Ebay, $60 USD.

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Move aside for a better grunt to light the way.

>>14104980
I just realized there's no sniper leo.

>>14105171
the longest ranged models would be the ones that are using doberguns or the rarely seen beam launcher

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>>14105191
>the rarely seen beam launcher
That's no beam launcher. That's actually a multi-shot bazooka.

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>>14105199
>>14105197
>>14105191
>>14105171

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>>14105199
That's not the Leo bazooka. The Leo bazooka resembles a javelin missile launcher. Does the option set describe it as one? It wasn't shown that way in the show.

>>14104296
>Leo firing down a narrow corridor with machine guns.
>Can't hit Duo's Leo who is destroying them in a single shot.
>The Leos firing on Heero are all just using single shot beam rifles.

I want to see a Wing series where the battles aren't laughable curbstomps even if everyone is using grunt suits.

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>>14105438
>named characters
>battles aren't laughable curbstomps

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>>14105248
>>14105197
>>14105191
Let's not forget Gundam has a history of inconsistency with these things

>>14105494
inconsistency? hasn't it always been portrayed that way?

if you were talking about the dobergun then sure, that might be grounds for inconsistency

>>14104296
I meant against the Altron. Bullets wont do anything. Only heat will really damage gundanium, so Heero's best option is the beam saber, but the Altron is still stronger and faster and was the suit designed for close corners melee combat.

>>14104421
Grace is more a Leo than a Zaku clone. Although it does have an axe. But those feet trigger me.

>>14105456
so that's what those ports are for. I assumed it was for exhaust or something

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>>14106026
it also has asscheek thrusters

>>14105438
>I want to see a Gundam series where the battles aren't laughable curbstomps
FTFY

>>14106135
>>14105438

Is there any mecha series that does this?

>>14106246
08th MS is the closest Gundam series I can think of. The Gundams aren't that much better than the other grunts, and most fights, especially early on, are shown as posing at least a decent challenge to the protagonists.

In Votoms there are like three high-performance custom machines in the whole thing (one for each super soldier, and Chirico uses one in the end, but then most fights are still laughably one-sided because Chirico's so much better than your average grunt.

>>14106097
IIRC, wasn't that an unmanned Leo? I remember Une screaming at people on the bridge to get a Leo on the catapult to hurl at the Gundam.

>>14107437

Even in the first episode of 08th MS Team you have the Invinciball and the Gouf Custom fight is just one guy taking on the whole team as they take turns acting idiotically so he can last. I wouldn't watch it for good, even fights personally.

>>14107477
I usually skip the first episode if I rewatch, in part for that reason. But it was still a 1-on-1 fight, and Aina's shit piloting was just as much to blame for the outcome as whatever skill Shiro had.

The only team aspect of that fight was that Sanders' GM team got almost wiped out by Aina before it happend. Why the EFF would place such terrible pilots in prototype GMs, I have no idea.

>>14105500
Seems like only Wing is inconsistent

>>14107494
Wait, I fucked up. I wasn't reading carefully, and when you said "Gouf Custom" for some reason I thought you meant Aina's test Zaku.

As for the Norris fight, there wasn't too much of the 08th team's behavior that was out of character. Remember, they're really not great pilots. Maybe they should have done better, I dunno. But even then it's at least a grunt curbstomp in favor of the antagonist. That's still better than what we usually get.

>>14107502

One of the quoted posts said they wanted fights that weren't laughable curbstomps - which implies for either side. And yes, the team should have done better against Norris. There are multiple instances they could have. Karen just firing off a single bullet as he stands in open view on a rooftop for 30 seconds, Sanders engaging him with no weapons for some reason, Shiro emptying 2 guns on him and hitting streets to his side but not him. And so on. The show goes out of it's way multiple times to make him look great by making everyone else dumb in that fight.

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>>14107438

It probably was (as psychotic as Une gets, OZ in general seems reluctant to intentionally sacrifice its pilots, outside of THE FINAL BATTLE, fitting with Wing's theme of comically low death counts next to UC). Since all Leos have the feature, it's probably available to any Leo pilot carrying the necessary fuel.

The Leo is an outstanding if fragile little machine (though it doesn't help that a lot of combat we see for it is Alliance Leos being decimated by better trained OZ pilots in the Aries or Taurus--both of which are pretty great too).

>>14107594
>Leo
>fragile
Any time any named pilot uses it, its performing well. And I mean ANY TIME. Not just Heero, Duo, Une, but Trieze, Zechs, Quattra, Torwa, etc...

>>14107682

Yeah, but the large majority screen time is given to it being destroyed--hence "fragile"--rather than it having supernatural plot armor, which it does have in those circumstances (though I'm pretty sure Trowa spent more time in a Taurus in-show than a Leo, and in EW his Leo didn't enter combat).

I suspect the fact that Leos tend to hold up against fire from other Leos better than, for example, fire from an Aries is less a reflection of them being fragile so much as the Aries chain gun being a more dangerous weapon than the Leo's rifle-style autocannon. You could say that as a contemporary design, the Leo has "adequately average" armor in the middle of OZ's production line.

>>14096955

Should Leo's head be turnable?

>>14108046
The faceplate camera is the only one we see, but the rare internal shot of the Leo cockpit does show side displays. So the Leo has the best vision with face towards the enemy, it can see to the side. Being able to turn the head would require changing the neck design.

>>14107682
>>14108044

I want to say the term "explodium alloy" was used in this thread somewhere

Pretty much sums it up. Just because mcs are protected by plot armour doesn't make the Leo's good.

>>14108272
>explodium
The joke hasn't been funny in the past and still isn't funny now.

>>14108272
A lot of the characters listed by that anon aren't main characters.

>Trieze
>Zechs
>Sally Po
>Noein
>One or two off episode named minor characters

If they aren't put against these super invincible tier Gundams, they tend to perform well.

>>14108272
Leo's are also 20 year old models of mobile suits at the time of Wing, fighting against modern mobile suits. The gundams have not only plot armor, but also 'gundanium', which is the in-universe explanation of said plot armor.

>>14108046
Sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't,
It's probably just an animation error. Bandai doesn't even know.
Some of the toys feature a turnable head, some don't.

My headcannon says the older versions of the Leo did not have turnable heads and the newer models did.

>>14108661
the five gundams themselves are weaker spinoffs of a 20 year old gundam

>>14109716
Blaster rifle aside, is Wing Zero stronger than the others? Maybe its more balanced because it had all the five scientists working together, rather than each of them making their own specialized Gundam.
But Wing Zero's main point is the ZERO system. Which doesn't make the suit stronger, it makes the pilot a better fighter, if it doesn't drive him insane.

Or are you talking about some Frozen Teardrop shit?

>>14109716
Wing Zero was built 20 years after the design was put on paper. It isn't the same as a Leo which has been in service for 20 years.

>>14109814
Wing Zero is faster than the others. It and Epyon are physically stronger. When Zechs beats up Duo and Quatre in the episode he destroys Bulge, Duo comments that Epyon is as strong as Wing Zero.

>>14109826
right, the leo's been somewhat upgraded over the years while the wing zero was built exactly to the 20 year old blueprints

>>14096955
Leo a splode.

A SPLODE!

>>14109843
The Wing Zero wasn't built twenty years ago because of how dangerous the scientists thought it was. Not just the Zero System but the TBR and practically everything else. Recall that the 5 Gundams in the show are just shoddy versions of it. Wing Gundam has 3 shots for its rifle. Zero has infinite shots for its far stronger rifle.

>>14109826
Wing Zero was built based off the Tallgeese by all five of the Operation Meteor scientists pooling their resources and talents together. When they realized the suit was too powerful on top of the Zero system, they made their own successor suits that were more suited and safe to use.

Its not like the main Gundams can't keep up with or are incapable of damaging Zero or Epyon for that matter.

>>14109850
>they keep killing best suit
I hate it.

>>14109931
They never do damage or keep up with Zero or Epyon. Duo says Epyon is insanely powerful and gets thrown around by it. Duo says that no one can handle Wing Zero.

What would you like to see a Leo do? Is there interest in a 'founding of the Earth Defense Force' type story? Leo's vs tanks?

>>14110483
>What would you like to see a Leo do?
Be made into a goddamn RE100 or MG

Other than that. I'd love to see something set in the AC universe involving OZ and only grunts.

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>>14110697

This, so much. A MG Leo 1/100 may be in our future (though personally I'd be more excited for a Taurus or an Aries, the Leo would be damn crucial, and serve as a base to some extent).

An OVA or even series featuring OZ pilots, either under the Specials banner or after 'Daybreak', could be highly entertaining. Even something modeled after 0083 or 08 MS Team, for all their problems, would be a must watch for me.

It'd be a change from searching around for fanfics and seeing what doesn't suck, at least.

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>>14109843

It seems unlikely that the the Winner Corporation building Wing Zero wouldn't bother to take advantage of twenty years of improved avionics, flight computers, sensors, and everything else. Even Tallgeese likely got an entirely new avionics suite.

What establishes that they built it "exactly" as it was twenty years ago? I wouldn't be surprised if the Taurus' beam cannon was more powerful than any beam cannon that existed 20 years prior to the series.

>>14099689
>That MG Altron ended up being P-Bandai

Still hurts, man.

>>14110697
I'd rather a HG 1/144 scale model(personally I despise the RE100 line, cause it mucks things up for those of us who aren't interested in the 1/100 scale)

Whatever happened to the company making the Pisces and Cancer 1/144 kits?

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>ctrl+f
>zero maganacs

I love the Leo and all, but I've grown to like them Allahu mechs as underappreciated sort of grunt designs. Giant fap claw custom was pretty damn cool and I'm salty no one's done a picture of a Maganac with all the custom bits from each unit.

>>14111893
I always thought that they were just knock-off Leos. But looking at the line art, they've got some significant differences. Maganac models might be cool.

>>14111893
>>14111949
Maganac's are basically Leo knockoffs, very high quality ones, but knockoffs nonetheless

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>>14111978
I can't really call the Maganac a knockoff when there's about no visual resemblance whatsoever even when going by the basic unmodded one. They're so hilariously minor that there's no reason to given them toys nowadays, but I don't think calling them a knockoff is accurate.

>>14111719
That was bad. But then they didn't even give it its wings and stinger. That felt like a betrayal.

Frankly they should have made Altron a regular release and the wings a P-Bandai thing.

>>14111798
I don't know why they decided to make the EW kits MGs only, but they did and now I need a 1/100 Leo.

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>>14111949
As a kid I thought they were like knockoffs of Sandrock.

>>14111978
Maganacs look nothing like Leos. And they weren't developed from the Leo.

>>14112065
I'd buy an EW Abdul custom. But I doubt many others would want any of the Maganacs.

>>14104849
More like a chameleon head

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>>14104421
>Not having a beam rotor

>>14096955
>Why is the Leo so perfect?
did a Leo every accomplish anything in the series?

besides getting blown up I mean

>>14112065
>>14112500
I figure that while there isn't much external resemblance, they'd probably be near identical on the insides(besides when literally every other MS in AC is derived from one of Tallgeese, Leo, or Proto-Wing ZERO it'd be odd to have a completely original MP unit running around)

>>14111632
I thought we're talking about the performance specs of the machine, not the avionics? All Quatre had were design schematics, and apparently he built it himself from some kind of factory the family had, and no one else was involved. I don't think Quatre modified the design, considering he kept in the Zero system.

>I wouldn't be surprised if the Taurus' beam cannon was more powerful than any beam cannon that existed 20 years prior to the series.
It's not as though Wing Zero only had a beam rifle and Quatre only decided to give it a TBR when he built it. Besides, various beam cannons are capable of greater output than the Taurus beam cannon. Wing's buster rifle and Vayeate's beam cannon came before and after the introduction of the Taurus and both outstrip it.

>>14113152
Wing is a bit silly about how a guy can build his own mobile suit. Zechs says only the Alliance has MS technology in the first episode and then over the course of the show you have various people build and maintain MS by themselves. The G-unit sidestory also features original designs not based on existing MS but well, whatever.

>>14113152
They might be reversed engineered in some way from damaged Leos, it's not like the Alliance is going to hand over an MS to some Arab rebels.
But, I mean, look at the arm and leg joints they are pretty different from the Gundams or the Leo.

>>14104877
Tieren is best zaku

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>>14113212

He could update the design to take advantage of more modern powerplants, thrusters, adjustment motors, without necessarily removing the Zero system (the same could be said about cockpit avionics). I don't think the Wing Zero he build in one of his family's factories somehow identical to the one put on paper 20 years earlier.

>Besides, various beam cannons are capable of greater output than the Taurus beam cannon.

Badly worded on my part--I mean literally 20 years earlier (around when Wing Zero was designed), not in the intervening twenty years (at the very least, Wing Gundam's buster rifle is more powerful).

How do the 2004 models compare to the new ones? Is there a significant size difference?

I keep having this massive reoccuring fantasy of Wing's ending before the Eve War with Heero and Zechs damaging Zero and Epyon so badly they have to hijack a pair of Leo's to continue their final fight. Just the two of them going fisticuffs and hand to hand combat in the most mundane if effective MS in the franchise to finish off a story that's so over the top with super powered mobile suits would've been awesome.

>>14110697
I'd like an RG of it. I love me some RGs. Like little MGs with added greebles. I love me some greebles.

>>14112500
>I'd buy an EW Abdul custom. But I doubt many others would want any of the Maganacs.

The answer is releasing the basic Maganac body and then an extra pack with all the custom parts, all of it for cheap-ish to promote sales. Actually that's probably really stupid and would be money down the drain for Bandai, but it'd be cool.

>>14118053
It was their sales model for the Robot Spirit line, so why not?

>>14118053
The Bandai answer would be to include some parts to make the Maganac in each Wing kit. This would bump up the prices of the other kits and make people pay for something 90% of them don't want. The people who really want the Maganac would also be forced to shill out for all the other Wing kits.
Or it ends up being some magazine thing like sefer rasiel.

>>14107682
why'd they even make gundams at all? they just needed to manufacture five fucking leos out of gundarium/gundanium alloy

AKA Tallgeese II/III

>>14099756
because there's no way to increase it's wetness any futher, like your waifu's vagina when she sees a Leo, everything just peaks

>>14118836
As their waifu, I can confirm, especially that part about Leos.

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>>14104421
seriously they thought they can get away with this?

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>>14120424
Yeah by using this

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>>14104945
>mfw my state found the based zakus instead of useless kapools.
>mfw the Suicide Squad rekt a SUMO
>mfw we have the best uniforms on our officers
>mfw we have a cute princess.

Why do Inglessans even try?

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>>14104421
>>14104877
>>14104891
>>14104907
>>14104927
>>14104938
>>14096955

Come on guys, no grunt can become perfect as this mobile suit. The epitome of perfection and superiority.

>>14118836

I wish my wife loved Leos.

>>14121434
Do you dress up as a Leo for her? Does she dress up as a Leo for you?

It brings a whole new meaning to 'explodium'

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>>14097254
It's proving real difficult to find Aires kits - just the Tamashi action figures.

In the absence of Aires, can any Anon kindly point me to a currently available kit with similarly plump thighs?

>>14121273
I don't remember them killing a SUMO

they did wreck that future GM with the gatling laser, but that guy was a shit pilot

>>14123051
B Club released a resin Aries. http://www.1999.co.jp/itbig17/10177240.jpg

I saw one on ebay once.
You sometimes see them or the Leo on Yahoo Japan auctions, but I dont have an account (getting an account isn't free if I remember, I don't know why sellers don't switch to ebay, because you sometimes see rare shit for cheap on Yahoo Actions. But I guess the Japanese sellers don't want to deal with international shipping or customers.)

I just hope someday the Chinks will get a copy and start mass producing it. I can deal with fixing cracks or air bubbles, I can't scratch build a whole suit though.

>>14123427
All we need is one copy, 3d scanner and 3d printer....

>>14123879
that one guy made a pretty decent 3d printer Leo conversion kit on shapeway, I'm upset now chinks made a resin mold.
I mean 3d printing is expensive, over 50 dollars for the kit, but if it was resin, it'd be 1/3 the cost.

I wish AC wasn't so unpopular outside North America.

>>14124185
just looked it up, he did a good job. Might have to get a 1/100 Tallgeese just for the conversion kit.

>>14104966
>>14104907
>>14105131
I cry myself to sleep every night thinking about the fact that Bandai will never make kits of these.

>>14125744
Then you will have to make them yourself, my /m/an.

>>14109706
>My headcannon says the older versions of the Leo did not have turnable heads and the newer models did.

This is pretty much what I think as well. I mean the Leo was in service for twenty years by the time Wing happens. I'm pretty sure a Leo from the first year and a Leo from the twentieth year would be pretty different machines. Something like the Leo would be continually upgraded, especially once it was put into service and issues that wouldn't have come up during testing pop up.

>>14110483
I want to see a Leo with all the parts on. Shoulder beam cannons, dober gun, shield, flight pack.

Also does anyone remember Brother Leo? Was that an /m/ thing years ago or did it come from somewhere else?

>>14125897
wait a week or so for my kits to arrive, and I'll post it for you.

>>14125934
From what I understand the shoulder beam cannons do not have a place for the shield and dober gun to attach to.

>>14125942
Damn it all I'll make it work, come Hell or high Gundams.

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>>14125947

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This is Purple and Blue Leo rocking it live from Spring Break 16'

>>14126099
You have a blue Leo? You lucky bastard.

Since this thread was created, I just rewatched all of Wing and Endless Waltz, plus Frozen Teardrop.

Leo is still the best mobile suit.

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>>14104877
Mah nigga

>>14129012
you watched Frozen Teardrop?

>>14131752
Yes.
Expect fanfiction-tier stuff.

At least my Aries came today. Leo Soon.

>>14133154
Those narrated picture videos?

>>14118808
My nigga.
Army of Tallgeese would win any war.

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Guess what arrived early?

And thanks for letting me know these existed!

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>>14104400
Do you have any pictures of a GM with two eyes behind the visor?

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>>14121304
muh glorious Gnx

>>14136054
Now you just need to buy the weapons set for it.

>>14112065

Man I fucking loved the Maganac corps. I know it's just fucking plot armor but the idea that there was some random squad of forty motherfuckers out in the desert playing Robin Hood against OZ seemed way too comical for such a SRS show. Always cheered when they showed up.

>>14137119
those aren't eyes. It's a compound sensor with 4 at minimum

>>14104290
>>14104400
> Zaku II is MS-06
> Hizack is RMS-106
> Zoloat is ZM-S06S / Zollidia is ZM-S06G
> Jenice is RMS-006
> Tieren is MSJ-06II

> Leo is OZ-06MS

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>>14137185
>Sinanju is MSN-06S

>>14137185
Don't forget >>14104966, RMS60 and made of Zakurium.

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>>14136054

I'm probably the only person annoyed that only the Alliance purple Space Leo has small differences in detail that weren't in OZ's own blue Space Leos. Otherwise I might've forked over the cash for escorts for an RD Tallgeese II.

Still, they're a good set overall. I'd kill for an RD Taurus.

>>14138448
Really? What are the differences? Blue Leos are terrifically rare nowadays, so I doubt I'll ever be able to make the comparison myself. Is it a difference limited between Blue and Purple, or does it affect the Ground type Greens as well?

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>>14138496

It's very subtle--most obviously, (Alliance) Space Leos have additional apertures/thrusters on their shoulder armor (which for the RD line are removable anyway). I also believe they have an additional thruster on the bottom of their feet that RD Leos lack.

Humorously, this is also true in the series: when OZ fields their own Leo Space Troops, they're just pure recolors with beam rifles and the back-mounted equipment. It's only the Alliance Leos drawn with the differences in details. So technically, RD's portrayal is most accurate to the show.

It's a tiny annoying detail that most people don't give a shit about. Still very happy with my RD Ground Leo.

>>14138572

>RD Leos lack

Sorry, other Leos.

>>14138572
Do blue Leos show up in the cartoon?

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>>14138763

Yeah, constantly. After episode 8 with the coup d'etat, they're often more commonplace than Alliance Army Leos (olive drab) or Space Leos (violet). By the end of the series, they basically completely replace violet Leos (since the all Alliance Space Forces's materiel has been destroyed or captured). Not sure what's the last episode we see a violet Leo (probably not long after the appearance of Colony D-120, which was the Alliance's colonial headquarters where many of their flag officers remained).

Most obviously, almost every Leo in the final battle over Libra is a blue space Leo (when Treize personally leads the Space Forces in Tallgeese II). Before that, the Space Leo is the default weapon for the colonial militia pilots trained and equipped by OZ (to fight the Gundams and the Alliance, necessitating their Leos be clearly a different color). Either OZ's own troops, or colonial pilots led by OZ officers (in either case they wear OZ uniforms)

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>>14138763
>>14138925


It's worth noting that the final battle as shown in the prologue of EW adds olive Leos in the space force, alongside black Virgo II dolls--basically, mobile dolls the White Fang didn't have a chance to recolor brown, and Leos OZ didn't have a chance to recolor blue. In the original TV series, I don't think a Space Leo is ever portrayed in olive drab, all are either violet or blue (which makes sense, since olive drab is the normal paintscheme of the Alliance Army--presumably they should've been repainted).

Violet Leos (with the are exclusively Alliance Space Forces) aren't there (they were probably rather rare by then).

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>>14138763
>>14138933

Very memorably, a olive drab Leo destroys a Virgo II (and possibly its neighbors) by ramming it--apparently an effective suicide attack, at least against one MD.

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>>14138763
>>14138941

While no violet Leos are shown at the final battle, L3-X-18999's junta under Mariemaia Khushrenada has all three varieties (they've been hording them apparently), which Heero famously duels Wufei in.

Note the absence of the TV series' shoulder thrusters--an animation error? Or they might've simply redesigned it for the film.

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>>14138763
>>14138953

On the other hand, they make it back onto Alliance Space Leo's in the beginning of the Glory of Losers (or if you'd prefer the Glory of the Defeated).

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>>14138925
>>14138962

The manga also shows what is almost certainly supposed to be a blue Leo with those thrusters/circular points (piloted by Hilde, who is using OZ's equipment issued to Colonial pilots like her).

So in the new designs, all Space Leos seem to have them--so I think they're intended as a specific modification for space operation (distinct from terrestrial Leos). You can think of it in UC terms as the difference between the MS-06 and the MS-06J, but possibly reversed (depending on whether the Leo was adapted for space or terrestrial use first--I'd assume terrestrial, since old Leos are designated OZ-05MS rather than OZ-06MS in the Gundaminfo Leo youtube video).

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>>14138763
>>14139008

Oh yeah, one last thing--in the TV series, when OZ splits between the Treizists and the Foundation loyalists in the second half of the TV series, encounters between the two sides almost always put the Treizists in olive drab Leos and the loyalists in blue ones (likely to avoid confusing the audience). Even before that, we see olive drab Leos occasionally used by OZ, though mostly against the Gundams (not to mention Alliance defectors during OZ's coup in Army Leos).

>>14138925
>>14138933
I can kind of notice is slightly bluer, its not really the blue of the robot damashii though. I probably assumed it was purple.

Gundam Wiki says the blue is the East Asian Forces colors.

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>>14140436

>East Asian Forces colors

Yeah, it's weird, since blue Leos are shown in Europe constantly. I think that comes from a mistranslation back in the Mark Simmons days--in any case, most OZ Leos after the fall of the Alliance are blue, regardless of geography, like the ones standing guard over Romefeller's conference in Bremen.

>>14140436

The colors are sort of like how a lot of people think OZ officers wear black uniforms when they're actually dark green--a lot fans saw the show with kind of crappy transfer that wouldn't distinguish well between similar colors.

>>14140513
Funnily enough, I used to think Deathscythe was green.

>>14138572
>I also believe they have an additional thruster on the bottom of their feet that RD Leos lack.

Anything showing they have a thruster on the bottom of their feet?

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>>14140792

Upon checking, I was wrong--Space Leos in the series might have an additional foot thruster (Wing Gundam obviously does), but the RD models don't. So it's really just a redesigned shoulder armor piece.

The only person who cares about that besides me is whoever added them back in the new manga, I'd guess.

>>14140862
The MSIA have them iirc. Mine are all in storage so I can't check personally but I think I remember them.

>>14137112
>>14137119
>>14137077
man now I want to see a custom GM in a future Build Fighters series that has a Face Open attack

>>14140504
Those are supposed to be blue?

>>14140936
>GM
>in Build Fighters
Name one that didn't job or get tossed aside for a Gundam

>>14138763
>>14140504
I was watching today and they show up the first time I notice in the episode where the Wing boys attack Singapore to get shuttles to space. The Leos guarding the station are blue.
In the same episode the OZ space Leos are the same color I guess.

So is it that blue Leos are OZ post coup colors for land and space, and that olive ones are just older unpainted ones used by the Alliance and OZ?

>>14140940
They aren't as blue as the RD Leo figures, but they are noticeably more blue than the standard Space Leos.

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>>14140940

It's more that the Alliance's Space Leo Troops are ridiculously purple, and they only ever appear in space.

>>14141955

Sort of. It seems like the Alliance Army fields so many Leos that OZ doesn't get around to painting all of them. Notably, we're shown olive drab Leos both on Earth and inside colonies (just not in space combat until EW).

I just assumed blue has always been the color of the Special Troop's Leos, the same way the Specials had black, rather than grey Aries, even before the coup against the Alliance and discarding the Specials moniker. But olive drab Leos are so prevalent that both the Specials and the Alliance as a whole use them. It looks like everyone mobile suit simultaneously used by the Alliance and the Specials has a unique Specials color except for the Tragos (while only the Specials use the Pisces, the Cancer is used by both--red for the Specials. Blue for the Alliance Navy).

>>14142185
I wonder why Zechs has an olive Leo. He refers to it as his Leo.
Unless it's not the first time he just ditched his suit and OZ got tired of painting his Leos blue.
It would have been cool if Zechs had a color, kind of like how Char usually uses salmon.

You know it just dawned on me that Trieze is the leader of OZ, and prefers blue. TG II is blue, I guess he chose blue as the OZ color, Epyon is purple, but he never really pilots it. I'm probably reading too much in to that since its really only those two MSs.

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>>14142218

I assumed (probably incorrectly) that Tallgeese II was painted those colors because, as the only pre-coup full colonel in the Specials, wore a unique uniform--by the time of the final battle, Treize is so well known (as de facto commander in chief of the Earth Military), that uniform is associated with him. So they paint the mobile suit the same color (blue and white) as his uniform so no one could possibly doubt who was inside it.

>>14142218

I think it's cooler that he just runs a stock Leo. You don't need special snowflake Zakus eveyrwhere.

>>14142239
>so no one could possibly doubt who was inside it.

Too fabulous to shoot down?

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>>14142248

Weird fact: the three mobile suits on Zechs' shuttle craft are all in Alliance colors--his co pilots wear Specials/OZ uniforms but fly Alliance grey Aries. Equipment mixup?

Likewise, some portrays of Tallgeese have the Alliance eagle on the shield (though usually it's unmarked)--slightly ironic given that Zechs became an officer in the Specials primarily to get revenge on the Alliance military that conquered the Sanc Kingdom.

>>14142248
He's a dude with a bright red uniform, and a white mask. And he's a knight into dueling in a universe that is basically stuck in pre-Napoleonic society. It'd make sense for him to have a custom suit on the battle field.

>>14142266
The eagle was Alliance?

>>14142266
I wonder if they writes/animators knew they were going to make armies color specific in the first episode.
Really this whole discussion makes my current re-watching of Wing that much enjoyable, since I notice the whole color variation now.

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>>14142280

Yeah, the Alliance uses the eagle motif pretty regularly, at least in their military. The Specials insignia/penant is a modified version, but that gets discarded with the coup against the Alliance (and dissolution of the Specials Troop).

>>14142297
Pretty sure the Tallgeese eagle is a personal crest for Zechs rather than an Alliance symbol.

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>>14142297
That's not even an eagle though.

>>14142299
Did it have an eagle on it in the factory when Otto found it? It could have been a pre-Alliance symbol

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>>14142358

True, some sort of bird of prey? In any case, it's a feature of Alliance insignia--OZ's uses two separate insignia for terrestrial and extraterrestrial forces, either a lion or a helm-wearing knight.

When Walker finds it (Otto accompanies Zechs on the trip to Corsica), it doesn't have its shield equipped, so no.

>>14142370
OZ's symbols are a lion head for earth and a witch head for space, calls to the Wizard of OZ, which is kind of a cute joke.

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>>14142385

I used to think the same (specifically, it was a wizard in profile), but apparently the old Wing art books establish that the Space Forces standard is a stylized armored helm of a knight with the mask/visor lowered.

Obviously the series has lots of other Wizard of OZ callbacks (like Dorothy Catalonia), maybe they thought an actual wizard was too on-the-nose.

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>>14108199

>>14142430
>ice king custom

>>14142430
Either way we can still call it the Tin Man so the Wizard of Oz reference still works

>>14142592
'Never even thought about that.

>>14140957
Is it jobbing if it does exceptionally well and is just barely beaten out by an ace pilot?

>>14143430
By /m/ standards, yes. The other pilot wasn't an ace and just had plot armor too.

>>14104421
Overdesigned as fuck. Also those heroic proportions, really?

>>14111632
So what something like a weapon made to work three times with the new developments in its high performance mode suddenly becomes insanely consistent and Zero's sheer clockspeed kills pilots when formerly it would have been a delicate suggestion?

Attrition beam weapons are scary scary things. Its like m-scattering is petroleum vapor the size of a city block and you've just been given a dragons-breath shotgun.

>>14104421
I hate those types of feet on mechs,

>>14145457
They should just go full Jehuty.

>>14143430
>>14143437
It was beaten by an ace pilot using a machine designed by the people in charge of all robot battling to win the tournament they were fighting in and then it was a close fight. Can't really call it jobbing, even if it did do the job.

>>14123085

They go tactical on it and wreck one and crow about it, shortly before Kihel makes the "we're not doing a feifdom yet" speech.

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>>14143811
Literal perfection.

>>14143811
It's the TENGA GUNDAM!

>>14099352
Why do you have so many toys of the same model?

>>14149638
It's called army building. I have like 7 Leo myself. I have like a dozen of the original Gundam and its variants in MSIA form. Like 5 Strike Gundam MSIA and the Perfect RD, like 4 Shining MSIA and the RD, like 5 Wing Zero TV MSIA and the RD etc