So /m/ tell me once and for all which of these two Gundams is

>>14042744
The one that wasn't written by Okada.

Try

>>14042744
inb4
>Found the retards
>Grecko
>tomino
>inconsistent
>understand
Aida ass

>>14042744
The one written by Tomino.

Age

>>14042744
The one that has Gundams and Gundam fights in it more than every 4 - 6 episodes

>>14042744
Strictly out of those two alone?

G-Reco.

Only thing IBO has over it is more interesting setting concepts but they're worth nothing if you can't execute them.

Aldnoah Zero

>>14042744
IBO, hands down. This has been the most original Gundam show in ages and a completely different MC from the cookie-cutter. Not knocking the standard Gundam (I like very nearly all of them) but Reco was just the second reheating of the Moon Moon arc oc ZZ. I'd much rather have more IBO, 00, SEED, or AGE than another lukewarm Turn A.

>>14042744
Both are good but G-Reco is better.

>>14042795
This is has to be bait right?

>>14042744
IBO has coherence and lacks autism, so that.

>>14042782
For me, I prefer G-reco setting than IBO.

I like all how G-reco setting from energy monopolization lead to the sudden arms build up between factions which was from the secret hermes blue print that was release to the radicals factions in hoping to create another UC era-like war in order to push humanity from their decadent lives.

>>14042799
No, I'm completely serious. I've thoroughly enjoyed IBO and look forward to the final episode. I don't believe the rumors about a second season, but I'd be happy to find out it's true as long as Tomino doesn't go anywhere near it.

>>14042814
The setting is nonsensical. I could never get past the fact that there's a pope of elevators, a religion about the elevator, etc, etc.
I could see it being some meta-commentary where Tomino (who's said in interviews that he thinks religions are bad and cause most of the world's problems) intentionally made it not make sense so the kids watching will reach the same conclusion he has, but for me it made it impossible to take the story seriously at all. This is hands-down the most insane populous this side of Wing.

>>14042842
Here's a thread about a show more your speed.

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>>14042855

I enjoyed Reco, solid 7/10
I got bored of IBO around episode 10 so I will not judge since I've not seen the rest of it.

GBF > G-Reco > Try > IBO

>>14042842
>religions are bad
wat
G-reco theme was about the effect of sudden Militarization of a country who have no experience in the recent years relating to war similar to how Japan started to modernize and build up their armed forces in direct response from N.K and China

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>>14042864

>>14042873
>2. You will immediately cease and not continue to access the site if you are under the age of 18.

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>>14042855
>Here's a thread about a show that you can stick with

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>>14042855
(pic)
>>14042876
I wasn't talking about the plot of Reco, I was talking about something Tomino said in an interview, and the fact that the religion in the show made by this man who dislikes/distrusts religion is nonsensical.

>>14042744
As someone who was more or less able to enjoy both, G-Reco. Animation aside, which makes this not even a contest, G-Reco kept a sense of fun that a lot of 'mature animes for mature people like me' tend to forget or ignore. It's refreshing to see an anime that remembers you don't have to be grim to be mature and complex. Also, IBO had two too many 'hey, remember that brother I never mentioned? Well, he's a major plot point for this next arc, and will die at the end of it to attempt to make us feel sad, even though he came out of literally nowhere two episodes ago,' moments, which really dragged down the series.
For the record, I'm not saying G-Reco is a masterpiece, just that it had a different flavour that is very rare in the genre. It was an adventure story. It was fun, while not being idiotically simplistic and/or excessively expository.

>>14042842
How do you think religions are started? The general trend seems to be people having a bunch of problems, then a guy comes along and says 'the source of your problems is X, if you just did more of Y the problems would go away.' If this seems reasonable to enough people over time, you get a religion.

Given the constant apocalyptic wars of UC, it makes sense the people would want to grasp onto something that they could feel would change that.

>>14042883
Not him, but that seems like a valid ranking (admittedly, I still haven't gotten past episode 5 of Try). GBF is still probably the best Gundam series we've had in a long while.

>>14042744
G-Reco is better in virtually every regard while IBO is one of the worst anime ever made.

>>14042911
It's also the first Gundam you've even seen so...

>>14042919
First Gundam I saw was the 0079 movies, back when blockbuster was renting them out. What now?

>>14042906
>How do you think religions are started?
Normally by a crazy and/or manipulative person claiming to have secret knowledge provided by the divine and/or supernatural.
These people worship a fucking freight elevator that they built themselves.

If it was just a strong social stigma against doing anything that might harm the elevator, that would be okay. It's reasonable for everyone to get their panties in a wad if you start a battle near the system that is literally everyone's lifeline.

But having a pope, people saying "Space Umbilical CORD" as an expletive and people talking about curses was just fucking stupid. We don't worhip cargo trucks. No one says "INTERSTATE!" when they're startled. Gas stations don't have a Pope.

>>14042924
*tips fedora*

>>14042923
>he saw the movies instead of the series
No wonder you think GBF is the best Gundam series.

>>14042898
>, I was talking about something Tomino said in an interview,
So you were talking out your ass. Gotcha

>>14042924
>a fucking freight elevator that they built themselves.
They didn't build it themselves. It was built generations and generations ago, by people with vastly more technological knowledge than they've allowed themselves in the time of G-Reco. Also, it never seems like "worship" in the traditional religious sense, it's more a series of tenants around which to organize society to make sure the colossal fuck up that was all of UC doesn't happen again. More like Zen Buddhism than Christianity, pope hats aside.

>>14042744
G-Reco is a show about what Gundam was. IBO is a show about what Gundam wants to be.

We all know that when IBO S2 is finished airing and the dust settles everyone will agree that Okada Gundam is by far the best series we had since Turn A.

>>14042744
uhhhhh, fron just those two there I'd say g-reco. though i personally enjoy ibo more

>>14042946
Woah

>>14042949
>S2

KEK
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>>14042744
G-Reco.

>>14042945
>generations and generations ago
Less than 500 years, and the process of its construction is taught in high school. Belliri exposits about the Undernut and how the tower works in the very first episode. Nothing about Capital Tower is mysterious or supernatural in any way, yet they have a church of "SU-Cord Faithful" and discussions about curses.
>never seems like "worship" in the traditional religious sense
>except for the FUCKING POPE
I would post screenshots of people talking about being afraid of being cursed, but I've long since deleted Reco.
Believe whatever you want.

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>>14042946
Deeeeeeep.

>>14042744
G-reco are 10000x better than IBO because of this
>>14042967
Post more Aida ass

>>14042971
>Less than 500 years
How is that not "generations and generations ago"?

>Nothing about Capital Tower is mysterious or supernatural in any way
You do realize the Mystery is what happens ABOVE the elevator?
It is like death for Christians. Everyone knows you are going to die one way or another and science explains death very effectively, the pivot of religion is "what next?".

>yet they have a church of "SU-Cord Faithful" and discussions about curses.
>I would post screenshots of people talking about being afraid of being cursed, but I've long since deleted Reco.
Ever thought the religion was being used to tame and keep them under control because Spacenoids sees them as barbarians?

>>14042971
>Less than 500 years,
Wrong again retard. Next yime watch the show before criticizing it.

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>>14042842
>>14042924
>I could never get past the fact that there's a pope of elevators, a religion about the elevator, etc, etc.
>a fucking freight elevator
Look up cargo cults, that shit totally happens

There is a lot in Greco that seems weird but when you actually look into it really is pretty accurate, like wanting to fuck your sister no this totally happens with siblings who were split after birth and meet up later

>>14042924
>We don't worhip cargo trucks. No one says "INTERSTATE!" when they're startled. Gas stations don't have a Pope.
Because this is our world and that is their world. Idiot. Learn 2 fiction

>>14042805
>IBO
>lacking autism
C'mon man that's just not true.

>>14042744
I watched greco and when it's revealed that they are siblings, why bellri is very haphazard? One moment he is all good and chill with aida and then when he sortied he's angry for some reason. I dont get it

>>14042994
>why bellri is very haphazard? One moment he is all good and chill with aida and then when he sortied he's angry for some reason. I dont get it
Think harder

>>14042744
The one that goes TSUKAME PURAIDO

>>14042982
>bear in small car.png
I don't get it.

>>14042994
>One moment he is all good and chill with aida and then when he sortied he's angry for some reason. I dont get it
Because he can't openly say "I WANTED TO FUCK MY NEE-SAN" in front of her right after she blamed him again for Cahill's death, I guess.

>>14042924
There are people in India that worship toilets instead of pooing in them
There are people that worship statues they made themselves
There are people that worship the sun and the moon
There are people that worship other people
Honestly, people worshiping an orbital tower doesn't seem that crazy

>>14043000
TSUKAME SUCCESS

>>14042967
About ready to G-reckt that ass

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>>14042994
He went from confusion/in shock to sort of getting the wider implications including his life sort of being a lie. Also starting to hate the moonrace are trying to bossing him about and forcing that they now need to take up their parents place

It also is a huge change in the dynamic of him and Aida who he sort of fancied and felt guilty over Cahil

>>14042924
Wew lad,
You sure are fun to hang around eh.

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>>14043012
I want to taboo Aida till she is G-rectarded

>>14042924
>Gas stations don't have a Pope.
They gonna have one when all the oil reserve in the world are depleted and that one motherfucker who in charge with the last remaining fuel reserve in the whole goddamn world will become Avatar of Petroleum itself.

>>14043011
GENKI NO G WA

>>14043024
This.
Haven't you guys watched Mad Max? Same shit.

>>14042924
>>14042842
Learn some anthropology m8. Look up about cargo cult.

Earthnoid (and so does who live around moon) was in desperate situation back then until people from Hermes foundation gave them batteries. There's no need to project your fedora.

>>14042924
It's a thousand years old elevator that keeps the entire planet going.
If you don't think some sort of cult would form around such thing over time, you are retarded.

>>14043074
>t's a thousand years old elevator
Stopped reading right there. You have no idea what you're talking about.
>>14043047
>cargo cult
Those islanders didn't build the planes. You have no point here.

I know you guys are bickering about the plausibility of cargo cults but I think I should point out not even the Pope believes batteries come from heaven. Check G-Reco episode 10.

>>14043005
>>14043014
So that's what it was. Thanks anons.

Also, one of the things that i get from g-reco is how flippant and happy-go-lucky the settings is. Like when the ship physician betrayed them and then confronted and just like "sorry i betrayed you teehee" and megafauna crew is just like "lol okay"
It feels as if they don't realized the gravity of war. It seems that they are just playing war or LARPing or something.

>>14043081
>Those islanders didn't build the planes.
And Bellri's generation didn't build the elevator, nor is in charge of making the batteries.

>>14043082
The Pope can go up to Towasanga, so he knows what is going on.
The same can't be said for people like Aida, Bellri or Luin, who took word by word what people said and believed it, no questions asked.
Which was kinda one of the major points of the anime.

Is it stupid? Sure.
It makes no sense? No, absolutely no. Given the context and real life, it is more than believable. Otherwise religions wouldn't exist to begin with.

>>14042744

IBO, hands down.

Maybe my opinion is coloured, but reco seemed more liek a horrible mess then anything else. The main plot is not as incomprehensible as everyone claims, but some of the character actions make no sense. For starters, why does Bellri constantly aid the terrorists, while still being a member of the capital guard and not being, y'know, arrested? why is boarding the tower at one point in the story an unforgivable sin, and do they just walk in without even a security check later?

Not to mention that both the suit designs and the fight animations themselves are much, much better in IBO. Whoever came up with that mace weapon deserves a raise.

>>14042967
>>14043018

Excellent counterargument good sir, but unfortunately that in itself is not enough to save an anime in this day and age of internet porn.

>>14043133
> For starters, why does Bellri constantly aid the terrorists, while still being a member of the capital guard and not being, y'know, arrested? why is boarding the tower at one point in the story an unforgivable sin, and do they just walk in without even a security check later?
This is all stuff they explained in those exposition conversations.

>>14043133
>the fight animations themselves are much, much better in IBO.
>liking unironical YEEART animations
opinion discarded

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G-Reco is the better Gundam show but IBO is the better Mecha show

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>>14043133
>the fight animations themselves are much, much better in IBO

>>14043140
>better Mecha show
>barely any emphasis on the robots themselves and barely any action scenes with robots apart from the beginning, middle and end

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>>14043140
Why must Garada and Doublas always suffer?

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>>14043157
Alas, it's their fate.

>>14043104
Amerians don't seem to believe in the taboo or at The Captain of the Megafauna and Aida don't care for it. Particularly in the 2nd half Donyell always takes a sarcastic tone towards it and it took Aida a minute to realise why Bellri was freaking out over people fighting in front of Sankt Porto.

If you wanted an example of someone who shouldnt believe in it there was a random grunt in the space debris episode who talked about curses.

>>14042842
Found the retard.

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>>14043153
>Barely any action scenes with robots
>The Episode 1/2 fight
>Mika vs Crank
>The fight between Tekkadan and Choco Char/Gali Gali as they left Mars orbit
>Tekkadan vs Teiwaz
>Tekkadan vs Brewers 1
>Tekkadan vs Brewers 2
>Tekkadan at Dort
>Tekkadan re-entry
>Tekkadan on the island
>Tekkadan on the Train
>Edmonton

11 fights (With some of them spread between two episodes like the second Brewers encounter) isn't that horrible for a 25 episode show. Sure more fight variety would be welcome, but I'd rather fights that hold more weight than "Oh hey the Capital Army is on our radar, lets launch the Gundam for a short skirmish while Mask laments about why he can't beat the Gundam"

>>14043133
>fight animations themselves are much, much better in IBO
I refuse to belive anyone who's watched both shows can believe this. If there's one thing that G-Reco was great at, it was the animation.

>>14043140
I think that very much depends on how you define 'Gundam' and 'mecha'. For me, I'd reverse those. IBO is better Gundam (real robot scifi), while G-Reco is the better mecha (actually fun to watch, makes giant robots interesting).

>>14043174
>Amerians don't seem to believe in the taboo or at The Captain of the Megafauna and Aida don't care for it.
They are terrorist, duh. Of course they are not believers, this doesn't mean they know much more about what happens between Venus Globe and Towasanga.

>If you wanted an example of someone who shouldnt believe in it there was a random grunt in the space debris episode who talked about curses.
Are you seriously being so much anal about terminology? Does it piss you this much that Tomino choose to make the whole thing a religion? Call it curse, call it payback, call it punishment. It is always the same thing, Venus Globe controls the energy production, and many other people are kept in the dark of the dynamics of the whole thing.

>>14042744
Notice that most of the posts in this thread are attempting to defend G Reco and not IBO. You only defend something that needs defending.

I'm going to enjoy IBO's second season. :)

G-Reco will become a classic while IBO will be forgotten in 2 seasons. Mark my words.

>>14042971
The show literrally takes place in 1014R.C

>>14042744
G-Reco is retarded, especially the ending
IBO is kinda dull and lacks punch, but I still prefer IBO

>>14042971
>except for the FUCKING POPE
Learn to differentiate between imagery and content. Or do you think evangelion is a christian story?

>>14043231
It's because IBO doesn't have much to talk about; it has the depth of a puddle. There's not really anything at all past the surface level of what's happening.

>>14043093
>seems that they are just playing war or LARPing or something.
Literally the point of the story and how it critisizes japan

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>>14043231
No one is defending IBO because you literally can't defend it. It's that bad.

>>14043180
>fights that hold more weight
>the only fights that held any weight in IBO are Tekkadan vs Brewers 2, Tekkadan re-entry, Tekkadan on the train and Edmonton.

If you think a mecha action show with only 11 fights of low quality in two cours is "not that horrible", with only 4 of them being of any real significance, then you better fuck off back to >>>/a/ because you clearly belong there.

>>14043224
What are you even going on about?

>>14043261

I don't recall Japan recently treating war like it's a joke.

I do recall Japan outlawing armed conflict almost entirely as a matter of fact.

>>14042744
IBO is bland and mediocre, G-Reco is shit and forgettable, but has a GOAT ending. So IBO wins.

>>14043269
It was showing what happens when nations who have been living in peace (Japan) for a long time try and start militarization and fight wars without any experience

>>14043269
Do you take everything literally? Tomino said G-Reco was specifically about Japan's remilitarization and how since they haven't fought a war for so long they wouldn't be able to take it seriously, he even goes as far to say he doesnt think people are that retarded.

Just because he doesnt literally make a caricature of Abe and call him a retard doesnt make it any less true.

>>14043231
Notice that there are actual discussions about g-reco whereas IBO has absolutely nothing to even talk about.

>>14043278
>>14043264
>>14043260
Thanks for the (You)'s

>>14043260
>>14043278
>Nothing to talk about
>Literally a dozen threads after Carta died.
>Multiple threads about Ein.
>Multiple threads about Biscuit
>And not just about the characters themselves, but the ramifications of what happened to them, and what it represents in real life
Yeah, okay.

IBO is accessible, yet complex. G-Reco may also be complex, but it's written in a style that's impenetrable. That's why people are so desperate to explain it in this thread.

>>14042744
They both exist to satisfy different audiences and succeed at neither.

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>>14043294
>IBO is accessible, yet complex.

>>14043294
All the Carta and Biscuit threads are about how IBO wasted any potential those characters had and how the ramification didn't amount to anything. Ein threads are just filled people hoping the orphans get killed and PsychoGraze stronk.

>>14043294
>mai waifu
>mai husbando
Every IBO thread ever

>>14043311
>Muh Aida
>Muh Aida's ass

You hypocrite cunt

>>14043320
Even in this thread there's discussion about the world of G-Reco and its characters, no such thing in any IBO thread

G-Reco

>>14043294
Dude you severely exaggerate IBO discussion. Most of those threads are shitting on them.

>>14043306
Nah. The Biscuit threads were about character deaths in general, the Carta threads got very in depth about the nature of conduct in war, and the Ein threads were speculating about his apparent posthumanism. Not saying there wasn't waifuing, but it wasn't the focus.

>>14043358
Well to be fair to IBOfags you can't discuss what Isn't there.

>>14043294
>complex
>every thread talks about wasted potential
Wow IBO fags are really delusional.

>Okada
So it's true that some people like to eat shit

>>14042744
None.
It's time to stop for atleast 4 years.

I like Greco more but Ibo is probably more accessible to most people. I just found it to be incredibly dull though.

>>14042744
I dropped Greco before IBO but I found IBO worse overall, from what I watched. Just too plain and boring.

>>14043425
>Paying attention to the trolls and ignoring the people who have good conversations around them
Just how new are you?

>>14043401
>the Carta threads got very in depth about the nature of conduct in war, and the Ein threads were speculating about his apparent posthumanism
Cool bullshit bro

>>14043576
>good conversations
>IBO threads
kek

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God Bless Ameria

>>14043600
>>14043585
The grektfags can be identified by their subscription to the Goebbel's school of rhetoric.

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I don't think ether show is particularly good.
I guess G-reco wins simply by having more/better animated combat.

>>14043628
Thought provoking IBO threads >>>14043188

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>>14043294
>what it represents in real life
Pandering?

>>14043604
>Viper Viper

that's the best name ever for a ship

>>14043294
Cool horseshit, anon.
Check the current IBO thread, most of it is about other Gundams and they are not even talking about the spoilers from the pre-screening.
So much for having a lot of threads.

>>14043246
>>14042979
FUN FACT #1: The current christian calendar was not implemented until the 5th century. It started counting from a date 500 years before it was put in use. This is perfectly normal, historically, because the event(s) that mark the beginning of an era are never apparent in the first year.
FUN FACT #2: G-Reco, by word of it's writer/director, takes place 500 years after Turn-A

What does this mean? The Capital Tower was built *after* Turn A and the RC calendar counts from some un-named event in CC's 1800s.
Now fuck off until you actually know what you're talking about.

>>14043604
Thousand of years had passed. Still the imprint of freedom and democracy can still be seen in their ships.

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>>14042949
KEK
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>>14043729
These colors don't fucking run.

Except for Vietnam but that was a fools errand anyways.

>>14043401
You don't read those threads do you IBOfag?

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The answer is obvious.

>>14044019
>dat shading
>dem explosions

IBO. Anyone who says G-Reco is just being a contrarian.

Lets say I want to get into Gundam. Where do I start?

>>14044352
watch IBO, everything else is shit anyway

>>14044352
MSG.

>>14044352
MGS.

>>14044352
SMG.

>>14044352
>Where do I start

The start, dumbass. First Gundam

>>14044352
nyaa.se

>>14043689
>>14043401

>>14043705
>>14043661
Oh man one thread that totally proves your point you sure showed me good.

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IBO

Because i dont like this guy. They might as well written her a girl in the story

>>14044846

>>14027778
waifu/shitposting

>>14017342
mecha/shitposting

>>14027813
general; little thought-provoking discussion

>>14042163
shitposting

>>14043718
What's your point though? Are you going to contribute to the discussion or not?

>>14044884
To be fair, trying to discuss any kind of gundam ever in /m/ usually turns into shitposting because gundamfags fall for every piece of bait so damn hard, and this holds doubly true about airing gundam series. I think GBF was the only gundam I've seen /m/ be remotely civil about, and that's probably because most people thought it was going to be utter shit.

Not saying that makes IBO good, just that discussion about airing gundam series is generally trash regardless, so it doesn't really prove anything.

>>14042744

I would say IBO.

Yes, yes, shitposting and so on. But the thing is that, I cannot understand anything that's happening in G-Reco. I'm not saying G-Reco it's bad, I'm saying that it's incomprehensible. More, I can't make any sense of it. I don't like how the characters behave, in these weird, random and bizarre fashions.

G-Reco looks great, and has nice designs. But I honestly prefer the actual *fighting* in Iron-Blood Orphans, because it feels that the characters are far, far more invested in the storyline and have significantly more understandable motivations. It's also more brutal and to the point - At this point, I can understand what everyone is fighting for and what all sides want. In G-Reco, I couldn't.

It appears that IBO is more popular amongst the Western audience, for some reason. I really don't know how well G-Reco did. (Though G-Reco has some great Mobile Suit designs, some of the IBO ones are good, too.)

>>14045138
inb4 found the retard

But seriously G-Reco is not hard to understand. We know what's going on in IBO because we can't go 7 minutes without someone reminding us. G-Reco expects you to pay attention. This is not a meme. The show isn't perfect but if you can't understand what's happening then you're just being lazy or something. I don't know how so many people fail to get it.

G-Reco had some battles that were kind of useless but that's par for the course in Gundam. Most had great impact. IBO has a greater weight on them but that doesn't make them better. Not all fights are life or death. Sometimes you just skirmish.

Your taste is shit and you're probably dumb, but at least strive to know why.

>>14045184

The problem with G-Reco is that the main characters don't really care about the fighting. Remember when Bellri just pops his cockpit and fucks off at the end of the series? What the fuck was that?

Then there's all this crazy, surreal dialogue. I don't even need to highlight anything in particular, you've all seen the screencaps. The thought processes of the characters are completely elusive. They don't seem to be functioning on any motivation I can understand.

I mean, I might just be an old man. But I genuinely don't get the plot.

>>14045184
G-Reco tard with the classic "You're just stupid" defense. Never gets old.

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>>14042744
Nobody cares.

>>14045196
People in CC era was living in peace for more than 1000 years, that's why they don't know jack shit about war.
Basically they are just playing a dangerous game with genocide and planet killer capabilities because reasons.

>>14045305
*RC era

>>14045196
Because everything the people are fighting over is a sham. At that point, Mask wants to check a box by killing the boy who bested him. He and his lover don't really care about a greater good or just cause. Why would there be any reason to keep fighting someone like that?

>>14045315

That, to my mind, doesn't make for an enthralling story.

>>14045341
Then maybe you should stick to A/Z

>>14045138
>But I honestly prefer the actual *fighting* in Iron-Blood Orphans, because it feels that the characters are far, far more invested in the storyline and have significantly more understandable motivations
I feel like the opposite. Mika looks like he couldn't give a shit about any fight. Kudelia doesn't have any clear goals other than "becoming hope." Orga just wants to look cool.

That's probably the reason Carta, Gali Gali, and Ein are more popular than the main characters. They have actual relatable motivations that seem human, while the main characters seem like robots just there to fill in for plot purposes.

The G-Reco gang generally have clear goals, but those goals tend to change depending on the circumstances which also change quickly and often. Most characters and their factions have clear agendas to push and react accordingly.

IBO tends to be an edgy anime but its a badly written and badly made show, without much care about gundam

G-RECO its the complete oposite, but the story is written in an unaccesible manner

still comparing both shows is comparing a shitty Marvel movie against A.I.

>>14043180
>11 fights in a 25 episode
>remaining 14 episode about how SUGOI Kudelia is
>good

>>14045499

>remaining 14 episodes on cooking, shopping, teaching at school, singing, kissing mika, speaking how useless you are
> good

>>14045499
>>14045860
Yeah, I don't mind the idea of having less fights, but so much of the stuff IBO puts between the fights just feels like filler. It focuses on too many characters, and half the time is just reminding us of character traits we already know, overall wasting too much time on nothing important.

Slightly unrelated, but the more I think back, the more the Brewers episodes just stick out. They were literally irrelevant other than to shill frog-gundam. There was no real plot significance, muh ototo came out of nowhere and disappeared into the same place (before and since, Akihiro is just 'that guy that trains with lafter'), and they pull another 'oops, we literally never mentioned him ever' brother out the ass in the next bloody episode. As hamfisted and cliched as it was, Biscuit's death was genuinely sad because they actually took time to establish him as a character, and to establish relationships with other characters. He has sisters back on Mars, he was a voice of reason and restraint for Orga (even if he was usually ignored), and meant something to the crew. Too many of the other deaths they spend valuable time on (especially considering this is half the length Gundam series traditionally are) feel like they didn't develop the characters beforehand, and ultimately just come out hollow. Not to mention their fondness for abusing obvious death flags.

I think one of the big reasons Ein's rampage left such an impression was that he showed up, and quickly and brutally killed two long time named characters. No obvious death flags, no 'I'm dying, so let me take the nest 10 minutes to tell you exactly how I feel' speeches. Exactly the kind of harshness it felt like this series wanted to portray.

I'm going to stop, as I'm tired and this is probably getting away from me a bit, but there's a lot of things I want to like about IBO, but it feels like it just can't figure out how it wants to use its time: space SoL, character drama, or plot driven scifi.

>>14043093
anon there hasn't been a major war in centuries, they actually don't understand the gravity of war and that's why Bell is so opposed to the Capital Army in the first place.

>>14043269
GReco was basically Tomino's reaction to Shinzo Abe and the ruling LDP trying to remilitarize and reassert the JSDF for their own individual political goals, which Tomino obviously doesn't approve of.

>>14042744
I thought G-Reco was bad, but then IBO happened.

I personally prefer G-Reco, especially its criticism of the current Japan's Abe government.

That being said, I can understand why many people prefer IBO, since it is a much more accessible show.

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>>14042924
>Normally by a crazy and/or manipulative person claiming to have secret knowledge provided by the divine and/or supernatural.

>>14045993
>I think one of the big reasons Ein's rampage left such an impression was that he showed up, and quickly and brutally killed two long time named characters.
And then they both survived so this is all moot.

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Both are about the same grade. ibo felt more like it was trying to be a soap opera with mechs tacked on. G reco was pretty much king gainer in space 2 with a "war is bad" message.

>>14048415
>Centuries
I thought it was a millennia of peace

>>14048557
Yeah, given the last episode and the existence of a second season, a lot of what I wrote ended up being moot. As a series with a second season, I think some of the flaws are a little more forgivable, although we'll see how things go.

>>14042924
Tipping hard over here, fellow intellectual

>>14042744
Just watch uc

>>14044352
Gundam 00. Alternate universe setting so nothing else needs to be watched/read to understand it, modern animation, interesting setting, great fights.

>>14043412
why? it's not worth it when all the grecos come and shit up every discussion like angry spoiled children.

G-Reco
>varied, unique mech designs
>great artstyle
>fantastic soundtrack
>shit writing
>shit pacing
>shit characters

IBO
>almost nothing but Graze variants
>QUALITY everywhere
>generic soundtrack
>shit writing
>shit pacing
>shit characters

G-Reco wins by audiovisual spectacle, but neither one is particularly "good" overall.

>>14045358
>I feel like the opposite. Mika looks like he couldn't give a shit about any fight. Kudelia doesn't have any clear goals other than "becoming hope." Orga just wants to look cool.
None of this is accurate.

>>14050491
haha keep believing that anon
youre just as bad as the rectards, i'm almost starting to find you ibofags even more obnoxious, you've certainly got a bigger persecution complex

>>14050540
do you care to refute anon?

>>14044884
And there were plenty of threads that were just fine, particularly (and I can't believe I have to keep saying this) after Carta died.

https://desustorage.org/m/thread/13989875/
https://desustorage.org/m/thread/13995557

Half the shitposting in IBO threads are salty Grektfags trying to derail it. I get it. I was a 00 fan back when /m/ hated it. But all the shitposting and off-topic does is make people hate a show that they only mildly disliked. Talking to you people feels like talking to my fellow Bernie Sanders supporters: you all just drop into a thread about your perceived enemy and end up pissing everyone off, thinking you can Goebbels and brute force your way to getting everyone to agree with you. But, really, you're only making things worse. Kindly back the fuck off and you might worm your way out of this Chinese finger trap of bullshit that you've caught yourselves in.

>>14050592
>Mika
Very obvious change in facial expression during certain fights
Constant assertions that he's fighting to find his "place"
Constant implication that he's fighting to protect the people he cares about

>Kudelia
Literally the entire premise of the show is based on her exceedingly concrete goal of getting to Earth and addressing the people in power there.

>Orga
States categorically several times that he wants to protect his charges and that the only way to do that is to carry out a big job that makes a name for them and intimidates anyone who might want to harm them.

None of this stuff is hard to figure out. The only way someone could come to your conclusions is if they're actively ignoring most of the story.

>>14045499
>kudelia sugoi

Where is this meme from? Mika says it only twice

>>14050618
who's salty?

>>14050618
>Half the shitposting in IBO threads are salty Grektfags trying to derail it.
I'm really fucking tired of this meme, makes ibofags look just as pathetic the recofags
can't wait unicorn fags complaining that their threads are being shitted up by ibo fags

>>14042744
the one with a second season

>>14050582
I don't have to "believe" as much as look at the evidence.

>>14050856
when you're this delusional you'll see what you want to see suppose
but as long it helps you sleep at night anon :^)

>>14042744
Im new into gundam, but to me G-reco made no sense, not the seting or the plot, but them talking literaly made no sense at all

>>14042945
>so, it never seems like "worship" in the traditional religious sense, it's more a series of tenants around which to organize society to make sure the colossal fuck up that was all of UC doesn't happen again.
This. Think of it like the constitution. No one worships the constitution as a god, but people do treat it like it is sacred. When a person's free speech is infringed, "believers" respond with zealous fury at the government "breaking the taboo", so to speak.

>>14044352
The compilation movies. Skip all the filler shit.

>>14054845
>0079
>filler
This is bait. If the words 'salt episode' leave your mouth then you can fuck the hell off of the board forever.

>>14051067
That's because it doesn't. It's a long-held meme for people to claim G-Reco is actually brilliant and deep, but it's just gibberish. The animation and mobile suit designs are great, for sure, but the story and characters are awful beyond measure.

>>14042744
C: Thunderbolt

>>14054858
Salt Episode, fight me. Also I dare you to tell me that Cucuruz Doan's Island is anything other than filler garbage.

>>14054878
90% of the salt episode IS IN THE MOVIES.
>not watching the Doan episode
You're making me fucking wretch. Get out of here.

>>14054878
>Not realizing that Amuro later uses Mobile Suit Martial Arts to tear Char a new one 14 years later in CCA

>>14044352
definitely watch 0079
>>14054845
>wanting less character development and worse pacing
Hayato's barely even present in the movies.

>>14054865
It's not deep, you're a complete retard if you didn't understand it.

>>14042744
I find that they're both pretty shoddy, but G Reco has really good animation, so I'll give it to that one, objectively.

>>14042744
I really liked Greco and I want more of it. Easily my favorite Gundam TV series since Turn A.

>>14042744
IBO still has a lot of problems and I still prefer G-Reco, but it's a lot easier to forgive some of its fault knowing there's a second season. In a 50 episode stretch there's usually a few places where wheels just kind of spin (at least it wasn't a recap episode), but given they were playing all coy with the second season, it felt like they were wasting the very limited amount of time they had to tell their story. It felt like they were setting up problems and a world that needed 50 episodes, trying to tell a story in 25, and wasting half their allotted time on trivial shit. Second season could still be crap, admittedly, but it existing makes the slower pace more understandable, at least.

reconguista definitely has the best gundam though

I'll throw my hat in with G-Reco. Sure, IBO is more accessible but there was just this thing about G-Reco that made me want to see more and more of it's world. It made me pay attention to the small details and throwaway lines, and I know when I go to rewatch it I'm going to see things I didn't the first time. Not to mention, it's not hypocritical with it's morals while remaining a fun adventure.

IBO was just generic, with every arc padded out to fill it's runtime. 25 episodes? I say they could have cut a lot of fat and gotten it down to around 15. And when the show is bogged down by such pacing, it's impossible to keep the hype.

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>>14054491
Do we have a Pope of the Constitution?
Do people say "WE THE PEOPLE" as an expletive?
Have you ever in your life referred to anyone as "the constitution faithful"?
Have you ever heard anyone talk about being cursed for violating the bill of rights?
No?
Then your analogy doesn't fit.
There is a clearly established religion, complete with a church and a Pope, that revolves around the Space Umbilical Cord which is explicitly referred to as "holy ground" (pic). People don't just talk about things being taboo, they literally say "I don't want to be cursed" (the captain of the Megafauna said those exact words).
It IS a religion.
Denial ain't just a river in Neo-Egypt.

>>14054878
For fuck's sake, the title of the episode is
SAYLA'S AGONY.
The dialogue that refers to salt totals *maybe* two minutes in an episode about Sayla and Char. If you seriously think it's an episode about salt, you've obviously never watched it.