Worst Leader

>>14016687
The bigger question was why he was wearing a normal suit. Seems like he wasn't confident

>>14016688
Because Lalah asked him to always wear a normal suit if possible from then on out. Then there was the fight with Amuro and she was killed. Char always wearing a normal suit from then on was his connection with Lalah even after she died

He was always a manchild.

>>14016687
Imagine if the grunt soldiers found out that their glorious leader willingly gave their enemy the psycommu, just so he could settle his own personal grudge

I'd be so fucking pissed off at him. Char really is pathetic.He screws over everyone and anyone who might have cared about him. He truly is his own source of misery.

>>14016699
Maybe I need to rewatch Zeta but I swear that he sometimes didn't wear it

>>14016711
He wasn't in 0079 and Zeta

>>14016688
>>14016699
Also it wouldn't have worked with the scene where Quess jumps from her damaged Jagd Doga to the Sazabi's cockpit.

>>14016724
>Quess
Never thought my hate for Katz, Beecha, and Mondo could be surpassed

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>>14016721

>>14016712
He gave Amuro Psycoframe.

Feds has Psycommu since OYW.

>>14016721
He was in Zeta though he hid it behind a cool exterior
In Origin he was a manchild but in 0079 he was just a cool guy

>>14016756
No in 0079 you just couldn't tell because it looked like crap.

If you compare Char and Amuro in CCA it makes Char look even worse. Well the worst leader would be Haman after watching ZZ

>>14016742
Poor Garma

>>14016763
That doesn't even make sense you dumbass

>>14016688
The real question is why he put the Sazabi's cockpit in the head

>>14016742
Is it betrayal of you were never on their side to begin with?

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ITT: butthurt Amurofags and Garmafags

>>14016756
>0079 he was just a cool guy

No, he was just as much a manchild in 0079, especially at the end when he went full 'Muh Lalah!'.

>>14016783
>butthurt shitposting doesn't make sense
Somebody call the scientific community.

>>14016714
It was 'whenever possible'
the times he didn't wear a normal suit is when he had to hop in his mobile suit really quickly for some reason, but he had his normal suit 95% of the time

The Titans were retarded compared to everyone else

>>14016687
What's wrong with wanting to settle things with your rival?

>>14016742
Is that really the correct translation?

>>14016821
>Shitton of people died needlessly
>Best girl didn't win
>Hathaway and Quess

>>14016688
And it's not even red

What a tosser

>>14016783
So you think the 3 little pigs has enough depth to let you write an essay on the wolf's personality?

>>14016797
That's some nice projecting faggot.

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>>14016794
>lost every fight
>got every ms destroyed
>lost every war

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>>14016830
here's EG's version, they use official subs from the US DVDs I think

My favorite part was when the federation sold Axis to fund their welfare program

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>>14016847
>trying this hard
I'll give you this one reply, m8.

>>14016858
It's the same shit

Still kekworthy though

Does Full Frontal count?

>>14016860
why did no one tell the feddie politicians that gold is worthless once you can mine asteroids which are chock full of it?

>>14016860
>Dude just dropped a giant asteroid
>Kay, let's sell him another giant asteroid

Epic music and battle scene aside, CCA is pretty shitty in term of plot and character

>>14016751
Lel pleb. No they don't have. They only have Psycommu but not Psycoframe.

>>14016883
Well, I heard about a diamond planet. Never heard about gold filled asteroid though

>>14016890
>>14016883
Didn't they want Char to help them with populations control?

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>>14016858
>Never betrayed anyone

Garma must be rolling in the Gaw.

>>14016883
The feddie top brass is jewish

>>14016852
Sounds like Serbia

>>14016869

Honestly no, because Frontal is Char with all his passion (for better or worse) removed. He's actually serious about the Spacenoid glory thing, and probably could give a shit about Lalah if he even knows who she is and would have just nuked Amuro or something if he was still around, instead of obessing with a fair fight.

Frontal is actually a better leader than Char.

>>14016687

When was Char ever a good leader?

He's one of the worst characters ever written the franchise. As the audience we were just supposed to accept him for whatever role the script required him to fill. In 0079, he's maverick with his own agenda; in Zeta, he's an outlaw rebel in exile; in CCA, he's some charismatic leader for all spacenoids. Nothing is explained on how he went from one role to the next.

Also, his pedophilia is confirmed in CCA.

>>14017557

I actually like how we just get snap shots of the lives of the characters and not a continuum all the way through. It reminds us that UC is about the setting- not the individual characters.

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>>14016687
Ehh, I can respect a man who is willing to just fuck everything up for small reasons.

>>14016721
Nigga at the end of 079 Amuro had to actually convince him that he's about to blow his chance at revenge because he was so fucking butthurt over getting his shit kicked in by the Gundam.

>>14017557
Not that complicated
>0079
Fuck the zabis, they corrupted my fathers ideals. I'm going to murder them because having your whole family murdered at a young age really fucks with your mental development

>Zeta
Okay, Titans are basically just Zabis 2.0 so I might as well fight them. AUEG seems like the lesser evil, might finally get everyone to fuck off of Earth. Also cool I get to fight some more. Oh fuck Neo Zeon is back and Haman is another fucking dictator I gotta deal with.

>ZZ Gundam
Char takes a holiday

>CCA
Fuck it, both Neo Zeon 1.0 and the AEUG are dead, might as well take things into my own hands.

Admittedly, I don't understand how Char becomes friends with Amuro in Zeta, but then hates him again in CCA. Maybe he was just hiding his feelings behind his sunnies at the time of Zeta

>>14017603
>Admittedly, I don't understand how Char becomes friends with Amuro in Zeta

Same reason he didn't straight up kill Garma. Starting anything with Amuro would have made the current task he was trying to accomplish ridiculously hard considering a ton of Amuro's friends were working with AEUG so he'd rather just pretend to be his buddy for awhile until he gets that sorted out.

>>14017603
Char fucked up spacenoids' best chance for independence in 0079. To see him try to fight for it again years later and never come as close is a testament to the kind of shitty writing went into making Char.

>>14017654
What chance for Independence? The zabis? That's just trading one evil for a worse evil. Can you really call yourself independent when you're ruled over by a man like Gihren?

>>14017654
>Never came as close
That's simply not true, it took newtype bullshit manifesting into broken physics to stop Axis.

And i don't see how that makes Char poorly written, Char in 0079 is young and is motivated by revenge. The fact that 14 years later he's had some development (especially after achieving his initial goal) isn't poor writing. Rather, it's ironic

>>14017658
It would've been easier to dethrone the Zabi instead of trying to take on the might of the entire EFSF.

>>14017667
This board is filled with people who seriously believed Char's crap in Zeta and freak out when he stopped acting like Quattro after he got what he wanted in CCA.

>>14017667
>The fact that 14 years later he's had some development

He had no development which is the problem. He just changed hats to fit whatever the writers needed him to be at the time little to no explanation as to why or how. That's lazy writing.

>>14017681
I do wonder if CCA is just another hat change, and not the intended conclusion to Char's character. I know how it is in Zeta, but I don't know how CCA was written. Was Char just thrown into another hat? I'm ignorant of this so anyone with the answer, fire away.

>>14016852
>lost every fight
Nope. Duels with major characters weren't his strong side
>got every ms destroyed
Zaku II is probably stored somewhere.
Same goes for Z'Gokk.
Gelgoog was disassembled for spare parts in CDA.
I don't remember what happened to Rick Dias
Hyaku Shiki did pretty well during ZZ, after Char went away.
>lost every war
Gryps conflict has ended as a success for both NZ and AEUG. Even though it was the beginning of a new war.
>>14017603
>Char takes a holiday
More like "tries to sabotage Haman, get recruits for his cause and funding".

>>14016838

> Best girl didn't win
> Nanaifag at it again

She was boring and Char only cared about her as a tool, get over it.

>>14016860

My favorite part is everyone calling the Feds greedy when they're so broke they have to sell Char shit just to fund their welfare programs. Feds were fucked by that point.

>>14017603
>Admittedly, I don't understand how Char becomes friends with Amuro in Zeta, but then hates him again in CCA.

Probably because Amuro was getting in his way again. If Amuro went "Yeah fuck Earth and hail newtypes I'm totally down with dropping rocks on them" then Char probably would have let it go. He might have been able to forgive him, if Amuro did as he wanted.

>>14017699

It could be. It's not like Tomino had this all planned out when he was writing MSG. It and Zeta and CCA was all seperate things that he didn't know he was gonna be making until he got the heads up.

I mean Char, fighting Amuro again aside is kind of a real asshole in CCA. Like even more than usual, turning Newtypes into weapons, lying and using people, and using his father's name and Zeon for his own selfish agenda.

All stuff he's supposedly disapproved of in the past. Which granted he could have been lying all along and people like Lalah and Kamille were just pawns he didn't give a shit about how he was treating Quess.

But it also means you have to constantly double think with Char trying to figure out which is the lies and which isn't.

>>14017868
>She was boring
She needed more screentime.
>Char only cared about her as a tool,
I don't think that Char would talk about Lalah with someone, who wasn't very close to him

>>14017985

She needed some kind of personality besides "decent person", since that makes her boring in a story surrounded by psychos where she's not even the straight (wo)man and Nanai brought Lalah up by talking about Amuro and his relationship, not Char. Plus, that demonstrates friendship (which is really a matter of time), not love. He talks about joining his father in the Sweetwater speech, tells Amuro he has no plans, never touches Nanai unless he has to (and even then, never sexually), only talks to her about plans unless she starts more - he had no feelings for her. And she was never going to be his Lalah replacement. That's Quess. He outright says so in the movie.

>>14018002
>never touches Nanai unless he has to (and even then, never sexually
So you want Char to constantly kiss her, grab her butt and fuck her on his table?

>>14018127

No I want him to look like he interested in her in some manner - whether it be physically touching her hand or hair occasionally or talking to her about unrelated shit without prompting or whatever. Nice strawman though.

>>14018127
I want that. I want a porno Gundam

>>14018142
>whether it be physically touching her hand or hair occasionally or talking to her about unrelated shit without prompting or whatever.
That's why I want CCA to be remade as OVA.
>>14018148
I don't think that we have enough money to film gundam porn with original VAs

>>14017681
>>14017699
>Tomino sucks at writing Char is all over the place what a bad character!
MSG 0079
>I am against the federation and the zabi's
Zeta
>I am against the federation and the titans
CCA
>I am against the federation
wow what a completely different character each time

>>14018226

Did Char even care about the Feds in 0079?

>>14018253
He's on Zeon's side

>>14018253

Aside from them being an enemy state because he was with Zeon, no not at all.

That whole "The Federation is ruining the earth" shtick only starts in Zeta.

Actually there's very little Federation negativity in 0079 itself. That only started in later stuff.

>>14018266

He's only there cause it's the easiest way to get the Zabis. I don't recall anything about him hating the Feds.

>>14018272

I don't think Char even really starts on about it till Dakar.

>>14018281
>I don't think Char even really starts on about it till Dakar.

Which is towards the end, and probably when they knew they were getting ZZ which is where Char would have done his CCA thing if the movie itself wasn't approved. Hence the Dakar speech and the scene towards the end where he's on the stage and it heavily implies all he's doing is just an act.

So yeah, Char gets rewritten on the fly. If Zeta was it for UC Gundam, his Quattro phase probably would have stuck and history would see him in a totally different light. And Tomino certianly wasn't planning it in 0079, or even the beginning of Zeta.

>>14018226

Zeta and CCA don't explain Char's motivations or even much of what he was doing in between each installment. The audience just sees him show up and he's in a new position working with different people each time. That is NOT development.

>>14018253
>Did Char even care about the Feds in 0079?

Not really.

While making a truly independent nation for all spacenoids was his dream throughout UC, he had his own end goal of taking out the Zabi family 0079 which was more of a personal vendetta. To do so, he took the Char Aznable name and used to to get close to the Zabis by becoming an officer in their forces. That would inevitably bring him in direct conflict with the Feds.

>>14018226
Char had no evolution for each iteration.

He was just thrust into each role and everybody was just supposed to accept it at face value. By CCA, he could've been switched out for a completely different character and it still would've been the same story more or less. Leaking info to Amuro for a final duel was just retarded.

Oh good there's already basically a thread for this.

Are there any legal streams for CCA?

What are you talking about OP I was happy when he said he used Quess since I thought he may have liked her. Char is always based

Char was never a respectful leader. Even in Zeta where he tries to play it cool, they have to force him to take any leadership role outside of the battlefield. It's a combination of shoddy writing and being gullible that has people think he was anything but objectively pathetic from 0079 onwards.

>>14018856

Define "legal."

>>14019762
Hulu/Netflix/Crunchyroll/Bandai's YouTube channel/Daisuki/Amazon Streaming/etc.

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>>14016687
But that's wrong though. Settling his rivalry with Amuro was a factor but it wasn't the main reason he did what he did. Char's main reason for wanting to drop a meteor on earth was the Feddies still not changing their ways despite all the shit that happened with the Titans. By the point CCA rolls around Char comes to the conclusion that humans will never ever leave earth and will eventually cause more damage to it than if he were to cause a catastrophic event that forces them all to leave.

>>14016793
Nope. That's precisely his point.

>>14016687
I honestly don't know where this 'Char is a good leader' myth even came from. Even in 0079, almost every subordinate of his ends up dead, not quite a few because he set them up to die in the first place (like the wingmen he lets get jumped by Amuro so he can trick Garma in New Yark).

Sure Char plays the part of 'leader who cares for his men' well, but the second it becomes a choice between the lives of his men and fulfilling his petty, selfish agendas, well then sorry, but his men are screwed.

>>14021389

Congratulations, you're falling for Char's BS just like everyone else in the setting.

The only time we legitimately get inside Char's own head in CCA's he's thinking how he's doing something evil so Amuro will come fight him.

That's it. All his flowery speeches about the Feddies and earth and newtypes and Zeon and all that? More theatrics to get Zeon to follow him, and goad Amuro into fighting him. That's it.

The real Char is just angry about Lalah and wants to settle things with Amuro. The great Colonel Char of Neo Zeon is just as fake as Quattro Bagina.

>>14016793
Yes. Betrayal is getting someone's trust and backstabbing them. Whether or not it was always your intention doesn't matter.

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>mfw Char kept perpetuating his "Earth is dying" bullshit

It's just spacenoid propaganda like the "souls weighed down by gravity" nonsense to get people to move to the colonies and weaken Federation.

>>14021505
He's a good leader in the sense that he's a good leader. He is a good at leading. He makes people accept his leadership. He is charismatic and people want to be led by him. The top quality of a good leader is getting people to actually listen to him, not how good it turns out for you as the subordinate

>>14021541
You can't think straight when your soul is being weighed down by gravity.

CCA was pointless shit anyway.