The Strike was one of the only good things about SEED. Seriously

Strike is one of my favorites.

>>13901652
The Freedom is such a disappointing upgrade. The stock animation was already obnoxious but the Freedom's laser spam was the worst.

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>>13901615
>hating on a more aerodynamic version of the Double X
this is funny

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the entire early GATX series is so damn good

i own the Buster and Duel MG and they're beautiful

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>not wanting the best of both worlds

Freedom is better than the Strike though.

>>13901675
Duel is the beat outta that class.

>>13901689
That's not Destiny Gundam

>>13901689

More of dat ZII sexiness pls.

>>13901709
Recently made tweaks and installed a Shiranui pack

Impulse>Rouge>>>Strike

>>13901726
>Rouge
It's the exact same mobile suit except its pink

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>>13901741
and? pink better than boring cliche gundam paint scheme.

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>>13901752
the Traditional Gundam color scheme does seem boring at times

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>>13901673
>aerodynamic
Don't use words you don't know the meaning of. Those wings cannot maintain lift.

At least Double X's wings served as microwave collectors. What's the purpose of Freedom's?

>>13901766
actually, the Freedom's wings have multi-vectoring. HiMAT is actually that

>>13901766
>What's the purpose of Freedom's?
looking angelic for no reason

>because it's cool
no it's not actually

>>13901675
>the entire early GATX series is so damn good
Not really.

>Aile Strike, Buster and regular Duel are nice designs.
>Blitz and Aegis are abominations.

>>13901777
well, there's some logical reason behind it. Both Aegis and Blitz were tech demonstrations, one for Mirage Colloid usage, the other for transformable frames. Duel, Strike and Buster are actually close-to-manufacturing designs

>>13901771
That's not how wings work. Just because you can move them, it doesn't mean that they'll give you insane maneuvering. Or even lift in the first place.

I remember that Unicorn episode in the Garuda and how difficult it was for MS (even an insanely powerful unit like the RX-0) to operate in the atmosphere. Compare that to SEED, where flying units everywhere is common.

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>>13901777
>Blitz
>abomination
I'll cut you son

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>>13901673
That's the thing. Freedom is actually a good design. It packs a shitload of firepower and aerial mobility into an aesthetically elegant package, in the vein of Wing Gundam or F91.

It's just that its design was abused in lazy choreography, to just spam alpha strikes over and over. Pair that with the no-kill faggotry and just generally being trapped with an unpopular MC in an unpopular series and there you go.

Heck, even Strike Freedom was salvagable if that god-awful gold frame is made some standard internals color. But it also greebled up what good points its predecessor had.

>>13901615
>Seriously who's idea was it to make the Freedom it's one of the worst mechs I've come across

Okawara.

>>13901794
That's because the Freedom can redirect most of it's thrust to any direction thanks to the wings. Which is why it's bullshit discussing the physics because "GIANT HUMANOID ROBOTS"

>>13901802
>that color scheme
Send it to Kobe, NOW

>>13901798
>that POINTS EVERYWHERE design
>the edgehog paintjob
>the stupid gold claw
>the retarded shield/saber/rifle gun

It's an abomination.

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>>13901816
you're an abomination

>>13901813
I can reckon that if it wasn't Kira's suit, it will be sung to high praises by these idiots, much like the retards who like Wing Zero.

>>13901802
That's sexy as fuck, there really needs to be more purple gundams.

>>13901814
>That's because the Freedom can redirect most of it's thrust to any direction thanks to the wings.
Again, that's not how that works, either. If it was some sort of cone (like the Blitz's back thrusters), it would make some sense. As it is designed, however, it's just a bunch of wings that serve no purpose.

>it's
"its"

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>>13901832
I'll only accept that, except this franchise has had even weirder designs.

>>13901826
I would like it more if Kira piloted it well

>>13901844
>except this franchise has had even weirder designs
Two wrongs don't make a right. And, thankfully, G-Fighter (a ugly motherfucker Tomino never liked, yet was forced to include to avoid cancellation) has been all but disowned ever since 0079.

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>>13901842
since when was black and red color scheme considered edgy? Since when was a shield that carries multiple weapons a bad thing? Exia does something similar with its gun blade no one calls that out. And "POINTS EVERYWHERE" design? where the points anon?

the only thing I'll give is its hook claw wrist thing...that thing was stupid and served no purpose really

>>13901849
>I would like it more if anyone piloted it
Fixed for you. First of all, Kira Yamato is a fucking terrible character. Second, Freedom is a long-range unit. A ground-pounder. Leave melee to Aegis.

>>13901849
he actually did well for someone who had to defend a ship and not wanting to kill those three guys (who quite frankly needed to die early) Stock footage be damned.

>>13901851
except you're complaining about something that shouldn't matter from a fictional-world physics standpoint.

>>13901854
>since when was black and red color scheme considered edgy?
It's been for a while. Are you new to the Internet? And the purple makes it extra emo kid.

>Since when was a shield that carries multiple weapons a bad thing?
Shields (the thing it gets fired upon) should not be weapons containers. As it is, Blitz cannot shoot its gun and protect itself from incoming fire from the front.

>Exia does something similar with its gun blade no one calls that out
It is stupid as well. In fact, Exia (a pure melee unit that operates with other 5 units) should not have ranged weapons at all.

>And "POINTS EVERYWHERE" design? where the points anon?
Shoulders, thrusters, feet (front and back). Calves are edgy in the most literal sense.

>>13901858
>Leave melee to Aegis.
I meant Justice. Goddammit...

>>13901863
The Stock Footage is engraved in my mind even now I can still recall it

>>13901879
>M-Muh Realism
I think I see the problem here.

I hate the waist guns on Freedom/Strike Freedom.

>>13901854

This would have looked a lot better IMO if they made the purple grey

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>>13901777
blitz is fine

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>>13901894
Why, Anon? It's quite cool. Why is it that when the Build Strike or the F91 does it, it's cool. but when the Freedom has it, it's suddenly not cool. same story with Freedom/DX

>>13901904
The pilot was a pianist too

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>>13901615
I actually really love the freedom. Was it OP? Yeah, but once I saw the Strike Freedom....

Seriously, the Strike Freedom is just the worst thing they did to the Freedom.

The Strike is dope though.

>>13901863
>he actually did well for someone who had to defend a ship and not wanting to kill those three guys (who quite frankly needed to die early)
That's precisely the point. As a pilot attempting to fulfill a mission, he wasn't doing what needed to be done under those circumstances. The way to engage those three dipshits would've been to take advantage of the Freedom's endless battery and kill them as they bugged out.

>>13901879
calves making the suit edgy? red and black edgy? can't shoot while blocking? all make a suit an abomination? Glad i don't have your taste in Mobile suit designs.

>Exia (a pure melee unit that operates with other 5 units)
same could be said about blitz, works with a team and is the cloak and dagger unit if its taking hits its not doing its job

>>13901910
>same story with Freedom/DX
Double X doesn't have guns in the waist.

As it is designed, Freedom is overloaded and stupid. First order of business would be to remove the wings.

Second, either get rid of the hip cannons, or the rifle/shield/sabers thing. Freedom doesn't need "standard Gundam loadout". Give it more explosive weapons, like a folding bazooka or missile pods.

AND I DON'T WANT TO HEAR ANY MENTION OF REPLACING THE RAILGUNS WITH ANCHORS, YOU HEAR?!

>>13901939
I would've liked to see all five of GATX series as a team rather than the Strike fighting them all

That's not duel or buster

>>13901916
was he fifteen? i don't remember

>>13901939
>red and black edgy?
Well, yes. Yes, exactly.

>can't shoot while blocking?
This is fucking stupid and you know it. Bad design, pure and simple.

>works with a team
False. The GAT-X units weren't designed as a team like the Celestial Being or Wing Gundams. They were proofs of concept for various technologies.

>>13901950
a tactical operations series with the Zala team going around into hot zones fighting while using their suits effectively would have been sick.

>>13901832
>it's just a bunch of wings that serve no purpose.
It has a purpose. The wings enable Freedom to do crazy aerial shit. Should it gone, Freedom loses that ability. As simple as that.
The concept and design may not work in real life but certainly worked in its own universe.
Being a realism fag will just hurt your head.
>>13901887
Aegis is a melee monster too. Think about it, Aegis has beam sabers on all limbs, and it can grab the enemy in its crab mode.

>>13901966
Sounds like the first half of 00.

>>13901961
>Well, yes. Yes, exactly.
you're an idiot
>This is fucking stupid and you know it. Bad design, pure and simple
tactically sure, not to bright. design of the shield is pure sex
>False. The GAT-X units weren't designed as a team like the Celestial Being or Wing Gundams. They were proofs of concept for various technologies.
did you watch SEED? they worked as a group to fight the Archangel and Kira/Strike multiple times. just because the gundams were built differently doesn't mean they can't work together and work off each others strengths and weaknesses

>>13901887
Justice is more of a general purpose MS than a melee focused MS though.

Infinite Justice fixed it somewhat, but it still doesn't have stuff like anchors thats actually very useful in pulling the enemy into melee range.

>>13901910
Because Build Strike and F91 have guns mounted to the backpack, so they don't end up having ridiculous oversized side skirts. Even other designs with waist guns like the GuAIZ R and V-dash manage to be tolerable by being decently proportioned.

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>>13901961
>The GAT-X units weren't designed as a team
Sorry but you're wrong. Take a look at the bottom right corner of this pic. That's how mission plan will work should all GAT-X units work as a team
>>13901946
I'm glad you're not working for Bandai. Your design wouldn't sell.

>hating the Strike Freedom

faggot

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>>13901879
Something simply having Trombe colors (overused as they may be) isn't edgy. People just kneejerk because it's uncomfortably close to those ungodly tryhard piles of shit we've all seen over the years and that never seem to go away.

Things like pic related. THAT'S edgy.

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>>13901992
This. Justice is literally just a stock body with a flight board stuck to its back. Minus the board it's as nice aesthetically as Freedom, it's just it's only got the usual vulcans, two sabers, rifle, shield setup.

I'm not really even sure what the purpose of it was at all, let alone as a partner unit. It uses pretty much the exact same hand weapons but lacks the wings or cannons for... what purpose exactly? To schlep around a board? Fuck it could just sit on the shit and launch the lifter out to people at that rate.

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>>13902036
>Valvrave decals

>>13902036
I actually think that an edgy look is better for this suit.

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>>13902136
>>13902036
holy shit. IT IS.

The Freedom is fine though, I don't know why people hate it besides the fact that it's Kira's

>>13902112
It was made to test the wireless control shit or something iirc.

>>13901702
>That's not Destiny Gundam
Destiny doesn't have anything from Freedom, it's just a refined Perfect Strike with hints of V2 and Shining.

>>13902155
this. Also, The Destiny doesn't have the Maneuverability that the original freedom had. In a straight dash, the Destiny would probably win out, but in sheer maneuverability, The Freedom aces it,

>>13901615
any other MS in the franchise that does giant robot knife fights? genuinely curious.

>>13902168
g gundam?

>>13902168
Exia/00, Efreet Schneid

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>>13902168
>>13902194
ECOAS Jegan. Pixie. Hyperion. And of course Colrel.

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>>13902212
> Handgun
> Combat knife
> Napalm grenades
> Sniper scope

This thing was just slathered in tacticool but it works so well.

>>13902155
>doesn't have anything from Freedom
Except, ya know the folding "wings"
Sure, no dragoons, but they're similar enough you get best of both worlds.

I like most of the main suits well enough so whatever, that's just what I see.

>>13902136
I'm pretty sure the modeller is trolling, or just plain retarded.

I like the Freedom more.

But the Impulse is my favourite out of SEED/Destiny.

>>13901832
The Zakrello exists. Please, please stop arguing for sensical robot designs

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>>13901615
I like the Freedom. Too bad the anime ver. and Satoshi redesign are crap.

>>13902245
the wings don't even fold the same way and aren't used for the same thing

>>13901774
opinion

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>>13901615

It's just the Hi-Nu

>>13901615

You know, something I've always wondered about SEED. ZAFT stole EVERY experimental unit except one, right? Wasn't this an enormous coup?

Couldn't they just have gone "Holy shit, this is amazing. We have nearly all the Gundams. Let's go home and get covered in glory."

Was there REALLY a need to chase the Archangel? I mean, I get that they're copying 0079. But there, the GM turned the War, while the Strike Dagger is a fucking piece of shit that gets destroyed in droves by Astrays.

Was it really necessary?

>>13902767
Considering that they were the assault ship that has MS, I'd reckon that ZAFT wanted it sunk.

>>13902770

Yeah, but - They have these priceless experimental weapons. Do they really want to risk it getting destroyed? If they'd gone right home, I assume they'd have had mobile suits that could transform and turn invisible and shit.

>>13901615
>The Strike was one of the only good things about SEED.
The Strike has a very special place in the CE story. It was designed to carry a variety of loadouts, and that versatility kept Archangel alive despite only having one mobilesuit. It didn't end up becoming the basis for elite units, but the concept was widely adopted by both sides of the war, to the point that any half-decent mass production MS had to be able to carry strike packs or Wizard packs.In that sense, Strike was definitely the most important piece of hardware in CE's military history.

You know you got it right, if your enemy started copying you.

>>13902775

I thought they were all basically the same MS with a different backpack/loadout. Like, the Duel is just the Strike with the...What, Assault Shroud?...strapped to it.

While Buster is Strike plus a slightly more complex Launcher loadout.

>>13902775
which is why I don't understand why Lacus didn't make the Strike Freedom an actual Strike with different configurations and one of them sorta looks like the Freedom.

>>13902767
They don't want Archangel to deliver Strike to EA. They want complete victory.

No one knows that Strike will be developed into ball-tier grunts,

>>13902767
>Was there REALLY a need to chase the Archangel?
I have a feeling they really, really, want to salvage and study the Archangel as well. Because in CE the Archangel is basically a Gundam in ship-form. Capturing the AA or at least salvage its wreck, was probably just as important as capturing Gundams.

>>13902774

Those Gundams weren't the be-all end-all of mobile suits, they were just really nice.

It was more of a personal thing.

>>13902781
Annnd.... the Atlantic Federation uses MA's anyway because they're idiots.

>>13902778
>I thought they were all basically the same MS with a different backpack/loadout. Like, the Duel is just the Strike with the...What, Assault Shroud?...strapped to it.
Nope, Strike is the only one out of all of them that was designed to change its configuration depending on the pack it uses. This is the innovation that Strike was designed for, and that ended up being really useful when you want to build an army. You just build Strike Daggers, and then give them different packs that suit their given roles.

>>13902767
That's not how a military operation works. You don't miss two objectives and decide to call it a day and go home. The Archangel and Strike are still in enemy hands, and worse, they just became an active military unit.

>ZAFT stole EVERY experimental unit except one, right? Wasn't this an enormous coup?
It didn't do jackshit to stall EA weapons development. The Gundams were already built, they were just in the middle of trying to finish a natural-use OS for them.

>Was there REALLY a need to chase the Archangel? I mean, I get that they're copying 0079. But there, the GM turned the War, while the Strike Dagger is a fucking piece of shit that gets destroyed in droves by Astrays.
Archangel making it to the EA base JOSH-A didn't do anything to influence Strike Dagger production. The Strike was already destroyed earlier. Not sure if they gave any pilot data to the EA, but I kind of doubt it seeing as the Strike didn't have a natural OS on it anyway, it had become Kira's personal machine with his own customized OS.

>>13902781
>No one knows that Strike will be developed into ball-tier grunts,
That was EA being cheap. None the less, the Strike Pack still became standard equipment after the war with the Dagger L.

>>13902793
Strike Daggers can't use striker packs.

>>13902798
latter versions of it did, like the 105 and Slaughter Daggers.

>>13902798
>Strike Daggers can't use striker packs.
Daggers were suppose to. And After the first war the Dagger L could. Basically by the time of GSD packs became standard issue for everyone.

>>13902800
>>13902801
He said Strike Dagger, not 105 Dagger or Dagger L.

>>13902804
>He said Strike Dagger, not 105 Dagger or Dagger L.
EA was being cheap, as I said. They barely got the strike daggers finished on time so the pack compatibility was delayed.

>>13901802
>an unpopular MC in an unpopular series
In what world is SEED and Kira Yamato unpopular anywhere but on /m/

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>>13902775
>It didn't end up becoming the basis for elite units
It kind of did, though Sven's was using the Noir Striker, which isn't exactly common stuff.

>>13903034
The Strike-E is different because it's a different company that's making it, based off Moergenroete's designs.

>>13903004
The statement was in reference to /m/. People like OP in particular.

>>13901946
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Just be glad we didn't end up with this monstrosity.

Funny thing is if you follow thematics of the weapons:
Strike -> Impulse -> Destiny
Archangel -> Freedom -> Strike Freedom

Think about it. Archangel has two giant cannons that shoot a spectral (but often red dominant) beam. Two railguns that shoot yellow, and two main guns that shoot green. Freedom follows that almost exactly, it just only has one green gun and sabers instead of missiles.

>>13903211
It's basically the perfect strike.

>>13903081
It's still a Strike though.

>>13902775

I love this in media where it feels like there's some thought put into why stuff is developed, even if that stuff is ridiculous giant robot suits that in real life would be laughed out of the room.

>>13903219
Speaking of the Perfect Strike, am I the only one that thinks it is retarded? I thought the whole point of the Striker Packs was to make a generic machine able to perform multiple mission types. You just swap in the appropriate Striker Pack and away you go. It lends itself well to a MP design with easily interchangeable parts. The Perfect Pack throws that out the window and just jams everything onto the Strike.

>>13902774
They already took all the data they needed.

And that's where Guaiz's Freedom Justice Providence and all the Gundam's in Destiny came from.

Once that was done, why not send their super units that walk all over everything your enemy has out to kick ass for you.

Their only problem was they kept sending them after AA and Strike, instead of just ignoring AA and sending the 4 Gundam's to help conquer more territory on earth.

>>13903541
>The Perfect Pack throws that out the window and just jams everything onto the Strike.
A shitty last-minute way to jam everything they got onto the Strike to give it maximum firepower, I guess.

>>13903642

Isn't that what it really was? Mu only uses the Perfect Strike during the defense of Orb when they're super outgunned and super outnumbered. In space he uses the Aile.

I mean, not counting the fact that the Perfect Strike was retconned in awkwardly.

>>13903662
>I mean, not counting the fact that the Perfect Strike was retconned in awkwardly.
It was clearly intended to be possible from the beginning, that's why the SD gunpla allow it. But it is amusing that it required an external battery array for power, and it justified why they haven't done it every other time.

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Could've made it more bearable

The aegis was great looking until it phase shifted and transformed

>>13902778
They share a lot of basic frame elements, particularly noticeable in things like the calves. The actual MS loadouts are different, though. As a combined arms strategy, the Buster would provide long-range support to the Duel and Aegis, while the Blitz would use its stealth and mobility to hit priority targets. The Strike would select a configuration based on the projected needs of the battle.

>>13906120
Does someone have that color coded Astray image?

What bothers me more is that the Strike Freedom has no relation to the Strike

>>13906509
>What bothers me more is that the Strike Freedom has no relation to the Strike
That's because it wasn't the original name. It was originally "Enduring Freedom". But they probably realised they couldn't get away with it...

Infinite Justice was the original code name of the American War on Terror, but it was changed to Enduring Freedom.

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Strike is great and the GAT-Series is a pretty solid team. However, Freedom was a complete disgrace.

>>13901961
>False. The GAT-X units weren't designed as a team like the Celestial Being or Wing Gundams. They were proofs of concept for various technologies.
Stop being dumb, nigga and go read the PG Strike manual...

>>13902004
>Sorry but you're wrong. Take a look at the bottom right corner of this pic. That's how mission plan will work should all GAT-X units work as a team
THIS.

>>13901802
it doesn't help that the Strike freedom fucks up such a perfect design.

I LOVE the Freedom as a design, but the SF is one of my most hated MS design for several reasons.

first of all, you're sitting just below your hardest hitting gun. Kira should be boiled alive when he fires the fucking thing.

second. HiMAT. can't be used unless you use your Dragoons. Can't use them on Earth, so you can't HiMAT on Earth. and because they're wings, you can't even do the Legend thing of firing them whilst on your backpack.

third. the rifles, moreso their mounts than the actual guns. you can't use the Railguns unless you're using the rifles, so if you need to Melee and not drop the guns, your only "Get the fuck off of me!" option is your Belly cannon that by all means should boil you alive.


maybe I'm reading too deep into anime robots, but the Strike Freedom Aggravates me. at least the Destiny's an okay design that just needs less handheld weapons and the Legend is pure Sex.

>>13907771
Which is exactly why I'm convinced the whole thing with Orb and the Seirans was a Bush/Cheney expy. Clearly they were working in references to the ongoing wars anyway.

>>13907771

Actually the original name was Super Freedom, and Knight Justice.

>>13908677
>you're sitting just below your hardest hitting gun.
Don't forget the reactor.
The cockpit, iirc, opens up like the Freedom's, on the upper part of the torso.

So he's sitting on top of the belly cannon, and the reactor of the MS is probably behind him or something.

>>13908677
>at least the Destiny's an okay design that just needs less handheld weapons

The Destiny also happens to have the single most hype close combat weapon in CE

>>13908913
That's a funny way to say Infinite Justice

>>13908913
the arondight? I loved how Kira made Shinn look like a chump when he caught the blade bare handed

>>13908918

No the palma fiocina, a ranged weapon so inaccurate they can only be used in CQC or against targets bigger than most skyscrapers

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>>13908921
That's what I just can't get my head around. The beam shield generators are right there. RIGHT. THERE. ON TOP. I don't know if the whole idea was "oh lulz we have a bunch of emitters in the hand why not make one a gun" or some shit but come on, you could be doing some wacky CE version of brand markers or I-Field punches. They're already making up all manner of bullshit tech adaptations for this class of Gundams, why make a barely half-functional knock-off of shining finger for a suit that's otherwise meant to fly around blasting and slashing?

>>13908987
>They're already making up all manner of bullshit tech adaptations for this class of Gundams, why make a barely half-functional knock-off of shining finger for a suit that's otherwise meant to fly around blasting and slashing?
What was insane was that they never even bothered to justify the palm cannon. It was a unique weapon in-universe, and yet if you blink you would have missed the two times it was ever fired in anger. One wonders why they just never bothered to use it in the plot like they had with the three separate parts of the Impulse in that cave.

>>13909193
Rewrites putting less importance on Shinn.

>>13901615
Eh, the Strike is just an uninspired RX-78 pasta that managed to be even more toyatic looking.

>>13909347
>Eh, the Strike is just an uninspired RX-78 pasta that managed to be even more toyatic looking.
No, that's Duel Gundam.

>>13909193

They never bothered to justify anything about the 4 Hyper Deutrion Gundams. They were there because upgrades are expected in a Gundam show, and that was all the plot really cared about them as far as it was concerned.

>>13901615
those fucking shoulders though

>>13909347
The idea behind the strike was great

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>>13909347
>managed to be even more toyatic looking
LOL... This fucking nigga...

So did SEED not have a big budget or was there another reason for the obnoxious use of stock footage

>>13908987
the problem with the Destiny is that about 2/3's of its arsenal is redundant, and the loss of either hand basically cripples him.

Beam Saber/Boomerangs or Arondight? I'll take the former, make them better.
Beam Rifle or a Palma? I'll take the Palmas, just make them less shit.
Beam Shields or Physical Shield with a Beam Generator? Solid Shield incase they try to stab me with something weighty.

if the Destiny loses it's left hand, it can only use the beam rifle, one Palma, and one beam boomerang.
if the Destiny loses its right hand, it can only use the Beam Cannon, one Palma, and one Boomerang.

either way, it's kinda fucked.

>>13910139
Flash animation happened. they got lazy. VERY lazy.

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>>13910139
You kidding? SEED and Destiny had very high budgets. Hell, the budget was increased for Destiny.

>>13910202
Destiny is a try hard perfect strike concept
jack of all trades
master of none
of course it was destined to get fucked, badly

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>>13910206
>I have no idea what I'm talking about, but I really wanna say words!

>>13908755
>the reactor of the MS is probably behind him or something.
As opposed to Amuro sitting right between the two reactor banks in such close proximity that it vents exhaust into the cockpit if the hatch is open?

>>13910244
>>>/tv/

>>13910139
TM Revolution isn't cheap.

>>13910216
I wonder how retarded or American someone had to be to think using historic exchange rates made any fucking sense.

>>13902112

Aegis and Savior were better units than Justice and Infinite Justice in just about every way.

>>13910139
SEED really wasn't that bad for stock footage, it was Destiny that made it really bad, they re-used shit from SEED and then had multiple glaring errors like the Impulse changing into the Strike, and Athrun and Cagalli teleporting on the Minerva's bridge

Is kira still the only gundam protag to get the fuck?

>>13910986

Flit and Asem obviously did too, though not on screen.

>>13910202
>and the loss of either hand basically cripples him.
You could say that about a bunch of mobile suits
00-Raiser can't do anything with out it's hands

>>13910933
SEED's first few episodes are just stock footage spammed over and over.

>>13910986
Wasn't Amuro quite the womanizer in his later days?

>>13911078
Yeah but unlike Char he didn't fuck children

>>13908987
The worst is how the shield has a fucking knuckle making it perfect for a I-Field punch attack

>>13911033
It actually could, the 0 Raiser could shoot a full burst shot on its own and he could still generate a Raiser sword using the wings somehow

I don't know about you guys, but the Ootori pack nailed the "upgraded Strike" look perfectly.

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>>13911311
too bad that thing didn't do jack shit

>>13911344

Alas, this is not a universe where we can have nice things.

At least it got its moment, which is more than I can speak for in regards to the original "Super Strike" concept, the IWSP.

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>>13911078
> womanizer
that's Amuro's NewType swag, anon. not womanizer.
all the girls into him because he's swagging his very own NewType ability, not because he's a womanizer.

>>13911065

Aside from Launch sequences and the god damn Buster combining it's guns and firing footage, Seed's beginning was pretty good about not reusing too much footage.

Even after Freedom it's kind of bad but nowhere near Destiny's level.

Destiny literally reuses the same 4 battles for the entire show.

>>13911311
I like the Akatsuki with the Oowashi pack.

>>13911033
yes. other universes have their own standards, but in CE, hand-held weapons as your exclusive moveset is a BAD THING.

the Infinite Justice has blades everywhere, so even losing a hand, it still has it's beam double-saber, Rocket-anchor, Beam Calves, and it's detachable backpack rider thing.

the Srike Freedom could care less. it lost a gun. boo hoo, it's got 12 more.

the Legend? Remote guns up the Wazoo (that can even be used on earth by tilting the backpack), and access to its sabers/lance.

the Impulse? the Blast impulse is barely affected, the Force just loses its gun, and the Sword? well if it bugs you so much, throw the fucking torso at the asshole who did it and get a new one. you've got reserves (and yet the impulse isn't a MP unit for some fucking reason, when it may as well be. just make some core blocks, and BAM! MP Impulse Gundam!)

>>13901777
Blitz is ass but the Aegis is amazing, only problem is the color scheme which I blame on the requirement that it bet red due to Athrun being Kira's rival.

>>13901978
>It has a purpose. The wings enable Freedom to do crazy aerial shit. Should it gone, Freedom loses that ability. As simple as that.

Except you could remove the wings but keep the thrusters and the Freedom would actually become even more agile due to being lighter.

>>13901844
>>13902395
Neither of those are even mobile suits so I have no clue why you bothered to bring them up. The original discussion was on whether or not the Freedom is a more aerodynamic version of the Double X. Bringing up other bad designs from Gundam, that aren't even mobile suits at that, has nothing to do with the conversation. The fact that you have to resort to such nonsense measures proves that the Freedom is in fact not a more aerodynamic version of the Double X, now stop dodging the question.

>>13911707
it would be FASTER, but the wings let it do that weird shit like the flips and sudden changes in direction that by all means would take MUCH longer on anything else.

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>>13911714
>it would be FASTER

No it wouldn't, having to move more mass to direct the thrusters would make it slower. The wings accomplish absolutely nothing other than weighing it down. Putting thrusters on a movable binder like on the MkII is much more sensible as it accomplishes the same range of mobility with less mass and materials.

>>13909193
>It was a unique weapon in-universe, and yet if you blink you would have missed the two times it was ever fired in anger.

I dunno man I got pretty erect each of those times

The palma fiocina is the stupidest weapon ever and I love it

>>13911723
>it always ends up being muh UC

>>13911723
>The wings accomplish absolutely nothing other than weighing it down
To be fair, a lot of stuff in Gundam is there because its cool.

The wings probably double as heatsinks for the plasma cannons or the reactor(Having to power several rather powerful weapons as opposed to the Justice which just basically has 2 extra beam rifles on the flight pack)

>>13911760

Ah, the evolutionary technology perfected by Dimetrodon

>>13911723

No the wings make it faster and give it's ability to fly in atmosphere.

No it doesn't make physical sense in real world terms. Neither do the robots moving at all. Or the Neutron Jammers, or most anything about Seed or any Gundam setting.

>>13901992
IJ has it's anchor mounted on its shield. Hell I prefer IJ to the SF because it's essentially the same idea of cramming as many beam weapons and gimmicks into a suit but unlike the SF, it doesn't look overly busy.

>>13912018

That's probably because regular Justice was kind of underwhelming. It had a standard MS loadout, and the backpack, which had like two guns on it.

IJ manages to make it stand out. Freedom on the other hand already had a ton of guns so cramming even MORE onto SF makes it look excessive.

>>13911723
Nice reading comprehension