IBO ratings

>>13887168
>b-but muh gunpla sales

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>>13887168
How the hell do I read this moon shit

the numbers mason
WHAT DO THEY MEAN

>>13887168
1.925 .52 l25 .. a 25 .25 .25 .25 .25 .25

>I t-think I n-n-need to s-see a d-doctor about my s-s-s-stuttering

>>13887176
>>13887178
The columns left to right:

-Overall viewership
-kids under 4
-kids 4-12
-teens 14-19
-males 20-34
-males 35-49
-males 50 and over
-same with the last three except females

And IBO is rightfully bombing

>>13887202
>and end to space rats
Ganbare 2ch!

Where's the ANN article about this?

>>13887202
Why do they split the data by gender for adults, but not for kids? Odd.

>>13887249
Different demographics
>>13887239
It is a conspiracy because the people that do like it will cry to their over sensitive mods.

>>13887249
Because kids aren't people.

>>13887174
>muh successful western gunpla and merchandise sales of which we have received no figures and trust the word of someone who ""works"" for Bandai

>>13887168
>ratings for males 50+ nearly doubled

age 50-20=30
2015-30=1985
1985=Zeta
All those young adults who watched zeta are loving this

>>13887202
>-Overall viewership
-Mean rating (of all people above 4)
>-kids 4-12
>-teens 14-19
>-males 20-34
>-males 35-49
>-males 50 and over
>-same with the last three except females

>>13887283
derringer is a reliable source, his interpretation is just opinion

The gunpla is selling better, but is also the only gundam shown at the same time with the kits available at the same time of airing. It is doing best by default

>>13887224
Not how you do it.

Where there is quality, crap rules and sheeple reign, but by the blades of otaku the industry is given hope. (slash sound)

Run forth and cut down IBO!
The fate of Gundam depends on you!
You keep up the hard struggle as the fail spreads!
Terrible animation and writing plague a legacy!
Your justice and will and valor carry you on!
Yami Iron! Yami Blood! Yami Orphans!
Continuing further you must chop the beast!
Hurry and criticize the mess for its fails!
Brings of light and hope!
Focus all your valor for justice!
Exile this like you did with Age!
Gundam will shine again because of you!
Two chaaaaaaaaaan!

Why yes that is a Garo knock off

>>13887299
>The gunpla is selling better
I'm going to need numbers, pal.

>>13887168
Where are these taken from? I would expect most to watch online anyway.

>>13887306
>BUT MUH DERRINGER

>>13887306
Based on Bandai's financial report, Gundam's Toy and Hobby business has made 20.9 billion yens up to the third quarter of this financial year compared to 17.9 billions last year in the same period.

Of course, those are numbers for the overall franchise, not any specific series or line.

>>13887303
どこ品質、がらくたのルールと従順で自分の意見がなく大勢に従う人々の治世が、業界が希望を与えられたオタクのブレードによってがあります。

前後実行し、IBOを削減!
ガンダムの運命はあなた次第!
インクルードは、スプレッドを失敗としてあなたが奮闘を維持します!
恐ろしいアニメーションと書き込みが遺産を悩ませています!
あなたの正義と意志と勇気があなたを続けていきます!
闇アイアン!闇の血!闇孤児!
さらに、あなたは獣を切る必要があります継続します!
急いで、そのが失敗したために混乱を批判!
光と希望を持って来ます!
正義のためにすべてのあなたの勇気を集中!
エグザイルはあなたのような、これは年齢でやりました!
ガンダムはあなたのために再び輝きます! 2ch!

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>>13887303
>>13887426
It is the darkest before the dawn.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5C08AhXvUgQ

>>13887377
Both Try and Reco ended in 2015 and had gunpla lines released, and a bunch of other kits were reprinted or got new versions. I hardly see that as signifying IBO's success. Like you said, that's speaking for the franchise.
We'll have to see the results for the final quarter to see whether or not IBO's gunpla have sold significantly well

Does someone have the tv rankings for Build Fighters Try? I can't find them anymore

>>13887303
>Terrible animation and writing plague a legacy!
Sounds like IBO.

>>13887367
>>13887174
>>13887283
>muh
Stop this shit.

>>13887239
Not going to happen. Their readers want to believe IBO is doing well.

>>13887546
> We'll have to see the results for the final quarter to see whether or not IBO's gunpla have sold significantly well

Yeah. I remember hearing that Barbatos and the Graze sold well at the start of the series but now there's a lot of Gunota saying the sales have dried up. Western success (where Gundam is more niche) is far less important than domestic success to Bandai.

>>13887168
>a success in the West.
It is?

>>13887798
Even the sales of other Asian countries are more important to Bandai than the West.

>>13887168
That puts the average at 2.37%. It wouldn't surprise me if this show ends up with lower ratings than AGE's final cour (2.23%) at this rate. Hell, it's average is already way under AGEs.

> But Derringer said most people are streaming it.

1) The TV station isn't going to care about that, and they're most likely pissed. Gundam just got that timeslot back man and they've already screwed it up.

2) I find it hard to believe streaming would create that big of a drop in the weekly ratings.

3) Other shows in the same block completely beat IBO's ratings.

>>13887822
ANN and Anime Suki are trying to lie and censor, only guys like us are bringing out the truth.

>>13887168
I wonder why people would keep up with it aside from Gundam completion.

>>13887881
>tfw you are doomed to watch every shitty gundam because of your completionist autism

>>13887832
Even if it gets a second season isn't that timeslot booked up for the rest of the year?

>>13887832
>most people are streaming it.
The issue with this is, again, proof.
I know Assassination Classroom was a major streaming success in China, but I've heard nothing about IBO.
I genuinely don't think there's any reason for people in Japan will suddenly just jump over to streaming. It airs on television in the afternoon/early evening on a Sunday. There's no reason to watch it online or to record it. And if you use the reason that "maybe they want to watch it again", you can just record it, a function most Japanese television sets have. They wouldn't need to stream.
And as for streaming IBO in the West - it's usually on illegal or unofficial sites, meaning Banrise will get exposure for the anime, sure, but no money.
IBO isn't even in the top 10 most popular shows on Crunchyroll, which I suppose is the most popular subscription based anime streaming service in the West.
I can't speak confidently for Daisuki, but it's free so I doubt they're getting much revenue from there apart from ads, and it's not the most viewed airing anime on there.
On Kissanime, Haikyuu!!S2 has double the views and the same amount of episodes, despite IBO pandering more to the West and fujos alike. IBO is only slightly ahead of fucking Grimgar, which only has 6 episodes. All 19 episodes of IBO only has slightly more views than Grimgar's 6, which is by no means popular or critically acclaimed at this point. It might draw in the SAO/fantasy crowd, sure, but I don't think it should be this popular.

So I don't see how anyone can confidently claim that IBO is doing great streaming wise, or that most people are streaming it in Japan, which is why the television numbers are low.

>>13887838
Now this comment actually manage to make me laugh in real life, so nice one anon

>>13887168
You're not gonna trick anyone into liking your favorite show out of spite by pretending to be the next Valvrager. Just give up already IBO is shit and everyone here thinks it's shit.

>>13887546
Not to mention, Try and Reco didn't have the variety of merchandise IBO has. Towels, pencilcases, book bags, t-shirts. They're going all out for IBO whereas they mostly just released Gunpla and DVD/BD for those shows. This is the show that Banrise expects to be the next SEED or 00.

>>13887950
That number I mentioned above was specifically Toys & Hobby stuff though, not the overall brand numbers for the period, so IBO getting more exposition with other stuff won't add anything there.

>>13887950
We all know Bandai wanted IBO to be the next SEED and 00 as I don't see them in 10 years time shitting out new Barbatous model kits like they do with the Strike and Exia.

How much was Banrise pushing AGE back in the day?

>>13888448
HG, MG, NG, AG lines

mangas, MSV, novel, game, mooks

>a lot

>>13887832
>The TV station isn't going to care about that, and they're most likely pissed.
How? they already get their revenue dont they?
Or Sunrise and Bandai are seriously airing their gunplay toy commercial on a station where ratings matter?

>>13887174
isnt that the biggest source of income for gundam?

>>13887908

> There's no reason to watch it online

There's plenty of stuff I could theoretically watch on television or record off it if I wanted to. I still torrent or stream almost everything I watch because I don't give two flying fucks about television and haven't in years. Now, I'm not making the argument that that's true of all Japanese people or that it's true of part of IBO's audience - only that it's true of at least some people in the West and almost certainly true of some people in Japan too. Just because you can watch something on television or record something off it doesn't mean you will because television just isn't that big a part of a lot of people's lives anymore.

>>13888493
>Or Sunrise and Bandai are seriously airing their gunplay toy commercial on a station where ratings matter?

It's not a station. It's the timeslot. And, yes, it's airing on a timeslot where the station should be making money out of tv commercial's sponsors. Arslan last year managed ratings above 4.0 sometimes even late into its run, like September, and IBO's took its timeslot.

>>13888523
Arslan is not a toy commercial tho

>>13888528
So? The station wants a show that brings in high ratings for that timeslot regardless of what it is.

>>13887882
>tfw eventually I will end up watching AGE

Welp !

>>13887942


OK I kinda like IBO in some respects, but I am so glad /m/ seems to be negative about it. I've been dealing with THE WORST kind of blind fanboyism on RandomCuriosity, where a gang of fans aren't just mad about people bashing the show, but are mad that the reviewers compliments about the show aren't quite complimentary enough.

I was worried /m/ was going to be like it was when Reconguista was airing (all those "you just don't understand the show" fantards) but I'm relieved to see it's not.

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>>13888809
>When Reconguista was airing (all those "you just don't understand the show" fantards)
Nigger what? I'm currently watching Reconguista, if you don't get it after episode 13 you are one hell of a retard. I can understand if you don't before that, but after that if you don't there's no hope for you. Read more books I guess.

>>13887908

Derringer never mentioned that more people are watching on streams. But that TV ratings don't take into account that people stream. Also never confirmed Season 2, just that if there was a season 2 there would be IBO kits on the 2016 release calendar for Fall.

You can see the TV ratings for Gundam in general just plummet over the years regardless. Prior to this Try had the worst ratings yet it'd be hard to argue its perceived success. I think there is truth to the whole streaming thing as an alternative platform for viewing on mobile devices though because that's the entire reason why Thunderbolt is being streamed through bandai's own service as opposed to being a one shot OVA straight to Blu-Ray. Less lip service to the TV station and an opportunity for investors on the production committee to pay them and get royalty/licensing twice.

>And as for streaming IBO in the West - it's usually on illegal or unofficial sites, meaning Banrise will get exposure for the anime, sure, but no money.

Sunrise already got the money from Hulu, Daisuki, CR, Funimation. Those guys paid Sunrise to have a license to stream it. If it was youtube, Sunrise would be paying Youtube to host it and also because we know it's getting dubbed, that they were seriously considering have it air on network TV in N. America. According to the official FB page, they're only like 3 episodes behind for dubbing and it's pretty obvious there's going to be some summer announcement.

Can't be on youtube if you want it broadcast (this was also why AGE and G-Reco was region locked to the U.S. for Youtube because they wanted the chance.)

I actually can't think of an unofficial site besides kissanime though that normies view though

>>13887224
???

But 2ch likes it

http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm27918547


It's ranked 12 out of 50?

>>13887168
>35-49
anyone here at that age range want to explain why?

>>13889394
They're the teens who watched Gundam and Zeta when it first aired anon.

Or are you talking about how they're lumped together with those born in the early 80's?

>>13887262
I will never, ever truly hate IBO because the line "I just wanna kill those children" was uttered by a character in a completely serious manner in a serious/dramatic situation. I can't hate anything that can do that.

>>13888514
>I still torrent or stream
Torrenting anime in Japan is a criminal offense though, or at least it's actually prosecuted. I doubt very many people do so because of the risks

>>13887168
So IBO is actually doing better than Build Fighters. Build Figthers and Build Fighters Try still have the worst ratings in the entire franchise.

*8.06% 1993 ガンバレ!SDガンダム大行進
*6.60% 1985 機動戦士aガンダム
*6.12% 1986 機動戦士ガンダムaa (*6.1276%)
*6.12% 2002 機動戦士ガンダムSEED (*6.1240%)
*5.41% 2004 機動戦士ガンダムSEED DESTINY
*5.32% 1979 機動戦士ガンダム
*4.84% 2007 機動戦士ガンダムOO
*4.47% 2008 機動戦士ガンダムOO 2nd season
*4.25% 1995 新機動戦記ガンダムW
*4.11% 1994 機動武闘伝Gガンダム
*3.89% 1993 機動戦士Vガンダム
*3.10% 2000 G-SAVIOUR
*2.99% 1999 ∀ガンダム
*2.75% 1996 機動新世紀ガンダムX (前半*3.51% 後半*1.21%)
*2.56% 2011 機動戦士ガンダムAGE (フリット編*3.22% アセム編*2.33% キオ編*2.25% 三世代編2.23%)
*2.09% 2004 SDガンダムフォース
*2.05% 2010 SDガンダム三国伝 BraveBattleWarriors
*1.80% 2014 ガンダムGのレコンギスタ
*1.64% 2013 ガンダムビルドファイターズ
*1.42% 2014 ガンダムビルドファイターズトライ

Ancillary revenue (toy sales) are how business's define a product's success, there is no other factor important to them at all.

The only people that care about 'which Gundam version rates higher' are the /m/ trolls that think shaming fans for their viewing choices is somehow edgy.

>>13887239
>Where's the ANN article about this?


You're kidding right ? In ANN-land IBO is the greatest fucking Gundam of the last 40 years.
Everything else mechawise pales in comparison.

>>13889840
And G-Reco was this massive, massive flop that Tomino apologized for and everyone in the industry said was shit. IBO is Gundam finding massive success again after the last few entries were major busts. Why, it's so popular that it's getting a dub!

>>13891562
But that's all true.

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>>13889759
>Doing worse than SD Gundam Force

>>13889759

Doesn't timeslot usually play a role as well? And are those numbers strictly TV only? I'm curious where did you get the TV numbers for G-Saviour and the SD OVAs

>>13891768

Timeslot doesn't play nearly as much a role as it used to, since recording is so ubiquitous nowadays and has been with several years now. You can record multiple shows simultaneously off a lot of boxes nowadays even, so a really popular show airing at the same time isn't even really an excuse anymore. If people are interested in something they can watch it very easily, regardless of what time it officially airs at.

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>AGE bombed
>G-Reco bombed
>IBO is bombing
IT'S OVER, GUNDAM IS DEAD

>>13891783

I was going to point out that 00 got decent ratings on both it's seasons and then I realize that's almost a decade ago now. Holy crap the time flies. It's still possible for tv shows to pull in good ratings, but whatever Gundam has to do to do it, it's obviously not doing at the moment.

>>13891797
we obviously need a wing movie compilation

>herpderp tv ratings what is free internet streaming

>>13891783
Thunderbolt is still getting adapted until further notice though.

>>13887168
>still caring about ibo
>implying ratings mean anything

Wrong on both counts.

What truly matter is whether or not the show is fun, spirited and entertaining (like G, Wing and Build Fighters).

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I will never understand why /m/ keeps shitting on this series.

back to /a/ I suppose.

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>>13892128
Because it's a terrible series by /m/ standards?

>>13892128
It's just a really bland show that has the gundam name on it and apparently normalfags like it so it's a shitposting magnet.

>>13892128
>I will never understand why /m/ keeps shitting on this series
It's because you need standards son.

>>13892128
/m/ does not believe in dirty communist propaganda.

>>13892128
Personally I'm at a lost as to what people even see in this show.

>>13892128
/m/ shits on everything, nothing new to see here.
It happens all the time.
I like it, I just don't bother arguing with people who demand that I validate my opinion by debating with them. Occasionally a show will be so divisive that people will post good things about it just to start arguments, but usually people who want to start arguments do so by shit-talking a show. You may wonder why they hang around in a thread for a show they didn't like, but if you ask they'll say they're waiting for you to give evidence of what you think is good about the show, as if they have some authority to devaluate your opinion if you can't validate it to them.
Basically they just want to argue, and when they have a very low opinion of a show they feel like they have a good chance of winning the argument so they pester people who like a show and insist that they justify why they like it.

Just needs more action. Then it would be great. Like 2x as much.

>>13892128
It's shallow story with forced characterization and development. It's politics are basic, the animation quality is really poor and the battles are pretty pathetic despite being few in number.

>>13892415
>It's shallow story with forced characterization and development. It's politics are basic, the animation quality is really poor and the battles are pretty pathetic
Welcome to Gundam.

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>>13892467
>Welcome to Gundam.
>implying you've watched more than SEED, 00, AGE and IBO

It's not always like this. Gundam can also be fun.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7fLOQXlPmE#t=22m18s

>>13891783
>G-Reco bombed
No it didn't.

>>13892496
>Try
>fun

>>13892499

It had worse ratings than IBO has had so far and didn't exactly set the world on fire with it's home media sales either.

> but it aired late at night

Which matters not one whit given that anyone who wanted to watch it could simply record it and watch it at a more convenient time. Same as IBO could be if someone wanted to. Even kids can and do do this regularly. If you think IBO is bombing, then G-Reco bombed too. If you just want to view IBO as doing less well than expected or something more moderate in tone, then the same can be said of G-Reco I suppose, but either way neither is really much different in terms of reception by all quantifiable indicators at least.

>>13892515
9000 sales per volume is a damn good number. Most anime series don't come anywhere close.

>>13892515

Ratings expectations are based on timeslot

>>13892515
Ratings gauge interest and G Reco's sales average around 8 or 9k IIRC. Also Sunrise execs literally and I mean quite LITERALLY called Build Fighters Try and G-Reco successful shows at the IBO Teaser reveal.

It didn't bomb financially, you sound more like you're upset that people say IBO's ratings suck for it's timeslot when the show that airs right after averages fairly higher than it.

Most late night anime do not average more than 2% unless they're incredibly popular.

>>13892515
>but either way neither is really much different in terms of reception by all quantifiable indicators at least.
Yet we're supposed to take "TV ratings don't mean anything, everyone records everything. It's so simple a child can do it!" at face value and accept it as fact?

>>13892524

What are most anime series sales averaging at then out of interest? Because checking sales numbers there's quite a few hitting 10, 000 or more every season by the looks of things. Build Fighters hit those same numbers, IBO has been so far too. Only AGE and Try have done notably worse in recent years, with AGE at 2500 or so and Try at about 4800.

>>13892525

So? We're not talking about expectations because we're not interested in ad revenue. The actual figures are what we're interested in and anyone who wants to can see any show that's airing regardless of time because of recordable boxes, especially nowadays with preset options for recording the whole season and shit.

>>13892541

If Sunrise think Try and G-Reco were successful then they'll presumably view IBO as successful too. And nice for them I guess. We're not Sunrise though and no, I'm not upset about someone saying something bad about IBO because I'm not attached to the show. It's mildly interesting at best and G-Reco is a better series, even if I wasn't a huge fan of that either. That doesn't mean I can't look at the quantifiable data available and come to the conclusion that they're both doing roughly equal by all the numbers that we can see, with IBO in a lead at least for tv ratings, though presumably doing a bit worse in home media.

And no, I don't think it's timeslot is a justifiable excuse for G-Reco doing worse than someone thinks it perhaps should have, because again, recording boxes existed when it was airing too.

>>13892589
>What are most anime series sales averaging at then out of interest?
http://www.someanithing.com/series-data-quick-view
Sort by the amount of sales and scroll down. Yes, G-Reco wasn't something huge like Madoka or whatever, it it is very, very high up on that list.

>>13892563

You're supposed to take it as no more than an indicator that it's no excuse for lower ratings and that people could view it on their television if they wanted. Whether the show did better through streaming or other methods I do not know or claim to know, nor am I claiming that the tv ratings hold any particular importance, only that if someone is going to claim one show bombed based on it's ratings, they can't really claim another show didn't when it had similar (or worse) ratings just because of a timeslot when that means so little nowadays.

>>13888575
I know, that's why putting a toy commercial in there is dumb in the first place.

>>13892752
>tv schedulers
>ever not being dumb

>>13892515
>If you think IBO is bombing, then G-Reco bombed too
Different expectations for different shows. If you expect to sell 50 and end up selling 75, then it's a success. But if you expect to sell 100 and sell 75, it's not.

We know from various tweets by staff that they were surprised that Build Fighters sold as well as it did. Not to mention it had a weekday timeslot instead of weekend. Therefore, we can safely assume that Bandai didn't have as high of expectations as they did for Build Fighters. Ditto G-Reco with it's timeslot and getting less kits than Try.

IBO is another story. Not only do they shell out the money for such a high profile timeslot, it also has a much greater variety of merchandise than either BF or G-Reco, they put it on a bunch of streaming sites rather than their youtube channel, they immediately set up a dub as it started airing, and are releasing kits at a faster rate. They expect more out of it than the other shows and have put more money into the project.

>>13887303
Your writing sucks lemme help:

Go! Run like the typhoon!
Geeks of fate, slide into darkness!
Why do you watch this? Ask your autism!
Things like crap and boredom must be lost!
Born from failure, hiding in filth, the lackluster must be slain!
Because what you do cannot be done by others!
Go! Run like the typhoon!
Gundam otaku!
Put your all into it!
Smash it with your critiques!
Make Gundam shine again!
2chaaaaaaaan!

>>13892515
>anyone who wanted to watch it could simply record it and watch it at a more convenient time
Those aren't counted in the viewership ratings. It's how many households are tuned in when it's airing, I think. And why would they record IBO and watch it at a more convenient time? It's literally on at one of the most convenient timeslots

>>13889467
Sadly I thought they would take it in a kinda clever direction instead of generic.

>>13892128
I liked A/Z better than this

>>13897758
>Liking A1 shit

>>13891783
>Unicorn is one of the most successful anime of the last 5 years
>The Origin OVA is a massive success
>Build Fighters gunpla sales are high

>>13897836
As bad as it was it was kind of charming to me

>>13888870
Are you illiterate? I'm not that guy but he's not saying he doesn't get G-reco, he's saying that the fans who blamed other people's dislike for the show on them not understanding it are retards. You suspiciously sound like one of those retards.

>>13897836
Unfortunately, not everything by A1 is bad. They make so much shit that eventually something passable to decent pops out. A/Z isn't one of them, however.

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So why does it matter if a series isn't doing great in ratings? I mean Turn A didn't have great viewings and Its my personal favorite series so why should ratings be something to argue about?

>>13902235
Found the retard

>>13902247
Because the lack of commercial success was why Bandai-Sunrise went to Fukuda and had him make Gundam Seed. So yes dismal ratings and sales means the companies will do something extreme to rejuvenate the sales/ratings.

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>>13891991
>wing entertaining
maybe if you watched at as a kid on toonami

>>13889829
>Ancillary revenue (toy sales) are how business's define a product's success, there is no other factor important to them at all
This is true. Look at Cat Ninden Teyandee. It got great ratings, higher than any Gundam show. But the toys didn't sell well enough, so it got buried until 2012 when it finally got a full home video release for the first time ever.

>>13892128
You will shit on IBO too after watching every series preceding it, because it becomes easy to see the failure in execution,cheap drama and crawling pace

>>13892128
>hah, the rest of gundam is so immature with all it's kiddy "robots"
>but we're going to spoonfeed the shit out of our mature audience for this mature show

>>13887168

It's a known fact that the Jap audience has shit taste collectively. Remember that these people also thought many works like Escaflowne, Big O, and Pacific Rim were shit, too, despite their success overseas.

So, where are the gunpla sales chart?

>>13907722
>Escaflowne, Big O, and Pacific Rim
They were though, and you can't defend Escaflowne or Big O without resorting to "muh dub" which is basically just another version of "muh nostalgia"
Any praise for Pacific Rim comes from the fact that it's "muh love letter to Japan" or "muh Del Toro". None of these shows have very much, or anything, in the way of true merit as anime or mecha.

>>13909069

>None of these shows have very much, or anything, in the way of true merit as anime or mecha.

I don't think you have to try very hard in that department.

>>13907722
Do you think IBO is on pat with those?

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>>13907722
>putting IBO next to any of those

Is the second ending out yet?

Gundam's best bet to continue onwards for TV is to put a new Build Fighters and / or SD Gundam style show into the 7am slot Unicorn TV is camping on, and have new AU / late UC / Tomino content in G-Reco's timeslot.

That primetime slot is dead for them, short of The Origin TV or SEED season 3.

>>13915427

Yea, because Build Fighters had such stellar ratings and all, right anon? It succeeded because of gunota, not kids. They might as well put any sequels on a late night slot, because it'll make no difference to the actual audience.

>>13891612
No, Tomino didn't apologize for it and the people in the industry never said it was shit, both of that was false which people found out when the full interviews were released. In fact considering how much money that Bandai put into GReco it cann't be considered a big a flop, because they didn't put as much money into it. What constitutes as a flop is when the producer the ratio of return of investment in a project. IBO has significantly more money pumped into it than G-Reco, which would make it the flop, because of fact that it's doing about as well as G-Reco, DESPITE it having more money invested in it.

>>13917111
>merchandise manufactured by chinese for less than a dollar a day is more of an investment than G-recos animators, backgrounds and choreograph scam to make Tominos daughter some money

>>13917386
Isn't the production values for IBO in general (this includes advertisement and the like) a lot more than it was for G-Reco? Also money spent on merchandising is still money spent.

>>13917471
if it is, then it doesn't show

>>13887168
世帯 個人 kid ten m1 m2 m3 f1 f2 f3
*1.3 *0.8 *0.9 *1.0 *0.9 *1.4 *0.5 *1.1 *0.7 *0.6 18話

>>13918345

Anyone thinking we're going to see a rating of less than 1% by the end?

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>>13918374
At the current phase, yeah that will likeable be the case

>>13918374
I think me might see 0.9-1%.
That joke that Kudelia has killed the show starting to become a fact.

>>13918374
Possible but I doubt it. The ratings have been fairly consistent really.

>>13918374
If the trajectory continues it should do. We are seeing a drop nearly every episode after the break with about 1 bump.

It is more likely to even out somewhere around here. I reckon the average will end up around 2.1 but that is mostly cause of a strong start, a few 0.some things could bring it down to less than Greco but I don't think lower than BF

I really don't buy that a lot of people in Japan are streaming this. Not when the numbers keep dropping and kids tune into Yugioh right as this ends.

>>13917471
I'm pretty sure they pump a lot more production money into G-reco than IBO. Heck weren't people saying IBO was made with Greco's leftover funds back when it first aired

>>13919519
Well I can say for certain a lot more people stream GBF and Try compared to Greco or IBO within the same time frame (about a week) although it's not really fair to Greco because they only put it up there about halfway through the season for some reason.

>>13919579

That's because GBF and Try have not only been on YT longer, far more regions can access it than the G-Reco and IBO episodes.

>>13902247
/m/ has a massive hate boner for ibo that's why they want it to do badly

>>13919592
I know about the former, that's why I said within the same timeframe, I rewatch every episode with my plamo club around that time (and yes, plamo clubs are a thing here). The region block is news to me though, how bad was the block?

>>13889106
Short Gundam OVAs have always been streamed for literally 10 years.

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>>13902247
>So why does it matter if a series isn't doing great in ratings?
long story short when gundam does badly it takes longer for us to get a new tv series. On a personal level I couldn't give a fuck how japan feels about a show, I also don't care how /m/ feels about it. I got so bored with IBO I haven't watched it in three weeks, don't even go in the weekly threads anymore..

>>13919689
That's a shame, it's really started to pick up.

I'm curious about the Hulu numbers, I suspect the very casual crowd are the majority of people watching it there, which may be higher than expected.

>>13919630
/m/ has a massive hate boner for pretty much anything recent.

>>13919716

Were there any exceptions besides GBF S1?

>>13919710

This. Shame on all of you for doubting this series. Its rapidly shaping up to be one of the best politically charged mecha series in at least two decades.

>>13919723
Fafner Exodus had the best reception here in recent times, but a sequel to a show from 10 years ago would be stretching "recent"

>>13919710
The last time you guys said this Fumitan got shot and Kudelia, despite having her maid point out everything wrong with her character praised her just because the bitch kept going.

I'm still salty, they're clearly aware of how awful she is but do nothing to make up for it, instead everything just bends to her will and works out somehow. Just like every other hardship. I feel like a retard for expecting anything out of it.

>>13919742
I remember the original Fafner just being seen as average on /m/. Even got shit on every now and again. Then Exodus came out and rapidly changed its perception.

>>13919710
> really started to pick up.
That much is true. Also, It was not worth the wait and does not excuse the 16 episodes that were a waste of time. By now it should have been building up for the final story arc, but what is happening is basically a story that should have happened 10 episodes ago.

>>13919744
Exodus is one of the rare cases where the sequel is better than the original. Also you can tell Xebec put more effort into Exodus than DA, modern animating techniques aside.

>>13919754

Thats just authentic Japanese storytelling

>>13919744
Do I need to have seen the original to get Exodus? Is there a movie, or could I use a synopsis?

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>>13919977
Yes, yes, yes but not recommended.

>>13919710
Not really. Then again the show was going 5 mph and now is going 10 mph.

>>13919570
Nope GReco was given less push by Sunrise than IBO.

>>13920476
Has nothing to do with budget. I believe most of the problem does come from using a shit combo of Nagai and Okada and an uninspired animation team versus Tomino aka THE MAN, THE MYTH, THE LEGEND and an animation team that really didn't skimp (and had the advantage of being led by Tomino and his godly storyboarding). G-Reco probably had a higher budget, yeah, since it was Tomino's baby instead of their obligatory installment to the franchise. But I'm guessing that IBO should be looking much better than it does now. The money is probably going to hookers and blow and torture instruments to use on the animators.

IBO has more push here in the US of A but overseas I don't think the difference is massive. It's on prime time, sure. What other evidence do we have?

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>>13920570
You can't brush over being pushed in the west like that

It has not only been put on streaming sites but has got a dub in the works
The range of gunpla is much bigger and the inner frame stuff will make it more expensive to make, especially cause kits don't reuse as much as they may appear e.g. rebake and Guison which isn't even getting into how many kits have robot spirits
It also has a higher amount of other mechanise which we didn't see with Greco and only a little with BF
The show has also been heavily advertised here and in Japan

The only thing suggesting low budget is the low quality of the final product but time and again people in the industry have said budget=/= animation quality

>>13920771
>which isn't even getting into how many kits have robot spirits
Literally fucking one.

>>13920771
http://myfigurecollection.net/search.php?origin_strict=1&origin_id=87505
http://myfigurecollection.net/search.php?origin_strict=1&origin_id=67028

You fags sure do love do exaggerate

>>13919772
Exodus made me retroactively enjoy DA a lot more on a rewatch.

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>>13920790
Actually there is two. Did think there was more but that is still more than Greco

>>13920796
So not only does IBO have more, not only does it miss stuff out but a load of that greco stuff are fucking garage kits or never came out.

Come back when you have an Aida bath towel to show me

Reminder that Japan loves SEED. I ain't trusting those fucks with anything no more.

>>13887942
weird af, when it first came out everyone was loving it. imo its the best gundam since 00

>>13920806
Not apart of this argument but both series have 2 RD. You listing bath towels and shit announced around the same time as the show doesn't help your argument. That stuff was already made before the show even aired. How well is it selling? We know for a fact that tons of merchandise including plates and clothes are greatly marked down right now.

>>13920824
>series have 2 RD
They don't, Greco has more planned but only the basic one ever came out. Just search for them in shops now and you can only see one

>How well is it selling?
Where the fuck did I argue it was selling? The whole point was IBO cost more because of the amount of merchandise made, it not selling just makes them lose more money

>>13920837
>They don't, Greco has more planned but only the basic one ever came out. Just search for them in shops now and you can only see one

G Reco has 2. The Reflector pack G Self got released as a shop exclusive which is why it isn't in online shops.

>>13920855
Well that's like including pbandai in how much gunpla something got

>>13891813
Wing movie compilation and an AC reboot of all that juicy Mars drama from the books.

>>13920858
Which people do. The figures still exist. Tons of stuff gets web exclusives.

>>13920865
The only way we'll ever see what Katoki cooked up with all those suits is if something gets animated. The damn novel mentions over 30 named suits and we don't have shit to show for it.

>>13920866
But it isn't the same as it is a low quantity slight variant compared to a mass produced whole different suit

>>13920872
Then you aren't counting all the Graze, right? Or all the Barbatos variants?

>>13920872
Except web exclusives aren't necessarily either of those. Don't talk out of your ass.

>>13920870
Actually iirc the Honoo's flame design is based off something from later in the series.

>>13920873
Honestly the only good way to judge number of releases per-series is on molds used. They've released like a billion Graze sure but thats still really only one release from their production standpoint.

>>13920873
Cause those actually do have more different parts, reflector g-self is just a different colour and a few thin pieces. Are you seriously arguing that is the same as making a Barbatous and then making a Kimaris?

>>13920874
That could be a long argument but in this case it very much is

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>>13920880
They generally have a few parts and weapons changed out each time, the only 1:1s but now a different colour are the pbandai

>>13920882
If you want to go ahead and count runners for every single kit of each series then by all means go ahead. Otherwise you can count all P-Bandai or count none of them.

>>13920882
They barely have different parts. Some are just recolors.

>>13920893
Also almost every runner in every IBO kit has one or more extra pieces. The polycaps for the Graze Kai are more than half unused.

>>13920890
>count none of them.
that's what I'm saying and what people generally do as we know they'll just be clones with maybe a different weapon

>>13920893
They do have more change than the reflector pack apart from the pbandais.

>>13920900
Bad choice of words, I meant you should just count them, literally everyone else does it.
>what people generally do as we know
this is wrong

>>13920900
It doesn't matter if they have more and you're comparing an action figure to a model kit. They're still Graze kits.

>>13920880
I don't know of the Honoo taking anything from the novel. It's just a BF spin on Wing Zero.

NEW RATINGS WHEN?

>>13925345
>>13922961

>>13925360
>not sourced