MG Freedom 2.0

>>13784164
Good, can't wait for another shitty Okawara design to be fixed

Also I'm pretty sure this is Bee-Craft's work, since he's been in charge of all Seed MGs

>>13784202
>add some panel lines and shrink the beam rifle
>WOW THEY SURE DID FIX THAT OKAWARA GARBAGE

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>Still bitter as fuck no MG

I don't get it. You guys told me that only fujoshits like SEED and Destiny, so why are the kits selling? Fujos don't buy plastic kits, they buy the yaoi doujins.

>>13784229
>believing /m/
haha

>>13784207
It looks better without those damn funnels.

fuck you guys, seed sucked but it had some great designs.

>>13784205
>add some panel lines and shrink the beam rifle
Nice strawman Okawarafag, you know Katoki's primary fix is changing the horrendous proportions.

>>13784229
There are slightly more SEED fans than Wing fans in the US.

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Those proportions make me so fucking hard. Sleek and emphasizing that crazy posing shit all the mecha do in the show.

>>13784300
He shrunk the head a bit. Wow, hardcore.

>>13784202
Beecraft skinny like Justice and Impulse, maybe with some Shigeta input as well?

Shigeta's Metal Build and RD Freedom were crap though.

>>13784378
was the metal build freedom really that bad?

>>13784361
>being this much in denial
I forgot how stupid okawarafags are

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>>13784451
I'm dry heaving a bit.

>>13784451
You should see the MB strike freedom. It made me gag.

>>13784534
>>13784711
both look great to me

>>13784229
>so why are the kits selling?
Because the hero kits always sold - the problem was with the rest of the line. Nobody really bought the grunt suits or ones piloted by the secondary cast; UC isn't built on the backs of Gundams, its built on the backs of GM and Zaku variants. For AUs, it's not all that different.

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>>13784378
the head of the RD is a little weird
still, that 2.0 Freedom looks fantastic, instant purchase

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>>13784202
Are you intentionally being retarded? MG Freedom was already a faithful Akutsu version and looked basically perfect, this thing is just "lel what the fuck do we do now" like every version up MG post Gundam 2.0.

>>13784760
>GMs
>selling ever
kek

I actually kind of like this design on its own besides having no idea what the fuck is going on with the cannons, but I hate the idea it's going to replace the previous one in pleb's minds rather than being marketed as a variation.

>>13784164
PLEASE MAKE PROVIDENCE
MUH EVIL GANDAMU

>>13784229
Strike, Freedom and those Astray variations made some plenty bucks.

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>>13784796
It looks exactly how the animation director has been drawing it since Destiny, it's okay.

>>13784803
>MG Freedom was already a faithful Akutsu version and looked basically perfect
See, that's the thing, it looked perfect because it isn't like Okawara's lineart.

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>>13784846
He didn't change it any more than any given animator's style did.

>>13784164
Weird how this and HD strike have significantly worse proportions than their ten year old counterparts.

>>13784885
That's because luckly all the animators had at least half a brain, so they'd knew following Okawara's proportions would have made the Freedom look like shit. Which it does on his lineart.

Aside from the oversized head, it looks great. I love the smaller feet.

>>13784889
Strike is a weird case because it tended to be animated with pretty wildly different proportions depending what pack it was using let alone anything else and had like three totally different faceplate designs in closeups for some reason. There is a lot of different ways you can do that design and have it be right to someone.

>>13784898
Much like when they animate Katoki designs so they don't consist of 90% legs.

>>13784916
>Much like when they animate Katoki designs so they don't consist of 90% legs.
Except they do, because Katoki can draw things that can be animated instead of turds. Honestly, I think every mecha designer out there can do that except Okawara.

>>13784967
>Guaranteed replies!

Why do higher grade SEED kits seem to deliberately avoid being on-model?
I don't mean animation model per say, but just, resembling the mecha as it was designed, and portrayed when the show was in circulation.
I'm not just talking Katoki stuff ether.
Pretty much every high grade model or figure of the strike freedom makes up some crazy gold skeletal bullshit for the binders.

Obviously stuff like the RX-78-2 gets embellished compared to it's original art, but most of the other Gundam kits seem to strive for accuracy towards the original art, usually just added things like extra panel lines and altering proportions a bit.

>>13785040
MG hasn't strived for animation accuracy in ages.

>>13784164
>Different looking rifle
>New set of wings....AGAIN
Can we just stick to one design? That's All I ask.

but seriously, I'm so buying this.

>>13785028
Says the person instigating pointless and nonsensical fighting about mechanical designers that make designs for children and manchildren

>>13785044
Turn X was pretty accurate.
Then again Mead's designs seemed to go through some of the least amount of changes in portions and detailing when done over by Beecraft. Probably because his illustrations gave hints and details for possible engineering of the kits. Turn A's knees and elbows come to mind.

>>13784534
This looks good though. I don't understand.

>>13784164
Still Freedom, and as such, still looks like shit and is

>>13785040
>>13785048
I think fans of SEED suits really buy into the general image and reputation of the suits, and not the design specifics. There are liberties taken with SEED kits I don't think the people buying them even notice.

>>13785056
You're thinking about Strike Freedom.
Freedom is a solid 7/10, much like your mother.

>>13785056
>this is totally not fuckseedguy.
my sarcasm meter is off the charts today.

>>13785060
I didn't know you were a necrophiliac

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>>13785051
BEECRAFT didn't do MG Turn X. They don't really credit who does the lineart anymore, but it's generally safe to assume it's Katoki. Who, despite what /m/ might lead you to believe, does actually have restraint when he's not doing a full on vKa.

See: the original Nu vKa.

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>>13784164
>Looks like Katoki got his hands on it or something.

hey, Katoki already designed his own Freedom figure and he didnt fuck it up like that.

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>>13785073

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Also Katoki was the one behind MG Turn A. He's an admitted huge fan of Syd Mead, so he did his best to do justice to that design.

Yes he also made his own version, but he didn't give that version a kit so who cares.

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The MG SEED HD Remaster kits are weird, because they have never once said who actually drew them up. The only lineart scans are from magazines, and from there you can at least see that it wasn't Katoki (wrong pose), but there aren't any credits so who the fuck knows.

>>13785090
most likely BEECRAFT.

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>>13785096
Not very likely, unless BEECRAFT suddenly completely changed styles.

>>13785103
Oh and wrong pose again too.

The pose is honestly more important than you'd think, because artists tend to have a stock pose they do with everything!

>>13784164
>Looks like Katoki got his hands on it or something.
Every time whenever new kit revealed to have redesigned proportion.
>That must be Katoki!
Is Katoki the Golgom of gunpla world or something?

>>13785090
Whoever did them, they did a fantastic job. Massive improvement over the original Okawara look.

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>>13785068
But he fucked up the original Nu enough that the engineering team had to ignore parts of the line art to put it back on model.

Katoki with restraint is just the flipside of the Katoki shit sandwich, since he "restrains" the design to death.

>>13785090
It's Akutsu you dumb shit. It's always Akutsu. Fuck for those it always -was- Akutsu.

>>13785103
It's the same style though.

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The MG GAT-Xs were basically taken from the PG Strike manual sketches with not a whole lot of new changes either.

>>13784164
The rifle looks like a joke.

>>13785105
This is too,true it took me a while to start noticing that they tend to do that
I tend to do it as well,although when I started I used to copy okawara's style now mine seems to have gone through many evolutions after copying many artists

>>13784164
>lower right image
What's that extending out of the Balaenas? Some kind of effect part?

>>13785258
>PG Duel and Buster never

>>13785568
>What's that extending out of the Balaenas? Some kind of effect part?
It's the black part of the cannon. For some reason it can swivel now.

>>13785090
The MG Aegis is so ugly and messy.

Like I said in the Gunpla General, the 2.0 looks bad.

The Revive looks better than it.

>>13785668
Revive is pretty much a 1/144 version of the original MG with a fucked up face and slightly blockier legs.

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>>13785666
Should have clarified. I meant what's that coming out of the tip of the Balaenas. Looks like some kind of barrel extension

>>13785720
You're right, I thougt it was the right shoulder looking like it came from the cannon due to perpective, but yeah, it looks like an extension. And more parts of the cannon can open.

That's it, this is not for me. If I buy an MG, it'll be the 1.0.

>>13785073
Katoki ones always suffer from huge upper torso resulting in huge collar area between the head and chest and the shoulders.

>>13784164
>MG FREEDOM 2.0 - NOW WITH EVEN EDGIER EDGELORD WINGS THAT DEFY THE ORIGINAL MECHANICAL CONCEPT AND ANIME ACCURACY!
>Guaranteed to satisfy even the most shittiest tastes!

>>13786145
>I'm so edgy, hating on edgy shit

Kill yourself, hypocrite.

>>13784164
I don't see how this is edgy, it only added a few details from the metal build design, without fucking up the head at least

>>13786310

I like some of the changes they made, not sure on the wings though . . .

May order it so I have an excuse to kitbash the 1.0

>>13785720
Can any moonreaders translate this blurb?

>>13785068

there was also a minor shit mist when Hi-Nu vKa got revealed because it still had the delicious chunk and wasn't just a purple Nu vKa with different funnels

>>13786330

it says "we are releasing a new freedom because people will buy it, but fuck SEED I'm serious"

>>13786367
stay salty

>>13785720
I think now that I'm getting some feeling for the really weird perspective in that shot, it's just the end of the barrel being shaped really goofy to add more fins. You can see them in the back shot. I kind of like the little wing up at the base of the cannon but those ones just look dumb.

>>13787414
By the way said little wing means the cannons can't aim any kind of downwards whatsoever anymore, but I guess it supports them off the torso if that was actually some sort of problem people actually had with the old MG (I have not had it in HiMAT Full Burst for a long time)

>>13785255
You're an idiot.

>>13786145
MGs never match the animation models you dumb fuck.

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>>13787437
>herp derp if they change perspective it must be a different artist even if it's drawn with the exact same design sense and line style and he's drawn different perspectives all the time
Stupid fucking autism kids.

You have to be blind to think the original MG Nu was even close to a straight adaption of Katoki's art, they pretty much just used the panel lines then changed the proportions back towards Izubuchi everywhere. The manual art almost looks more like MG Hi-Nu.

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Thank god it doesn't just have a flat diving board on it's butt anymore.

2.0 looks pretty great

Gonna give it slightly bigger feet and the shield and rifle from the resin metal build and it'll be perfect.

>>13787646
Pretty sexy but damn that beam rifle looks weird to me.

>>13787646
The hell is that grey thing at the top of the accessory layout?

>>13787834
Action Base attachment parts, apparently.

>>13787519
Are you actually retarded? The Katoki art's proportions are way closer to the actual kit.

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>>13787929
It's kind of pointless to argue about it because everyone will interpret things differently, but look at the "lace" section on the feet. Compare the relative width of the shin armour at the ankle and the knee and how aggressively it slopes inward. How much leg coverage there is on the skirt plates.

Most blatantly, look at the entire height:width ratio of the torso section and the slope of the chest, although the MG one is still not overall as big as Izubuchi its own proportions are way closer to its flat, wide shape. On Katoki's art it slopes in really aggressively to make a very compact, almost SEED-like chest.

Those overly compact torsos are an issue a lot of Katoki plamo designs from the early 2000s suffer from even if they're otherwise fine but MG Nu countered it quite a bit and is actually really damn close to the original 1/100 CCA kit.

I appreciate that Katoki did a good job on Turn A and some other things but on early MGs he just wasn't so heavily involved in the look of the things past doing basic sketches with more defined details than the original anime art.

You've also got really weird shit like them trying to standardize parts on Alex and GM Custom so Katoki drew stuff that was blatantly off model from his own design and then the actual model is blatantly off model from both.

>>13787646
the balaenas look weird. I've come to terms with it not looking somewhat accurate to the animation model(it has to, it's an MG) but at least make good looking gimmicks. They should've just made exhaust ports on both the Xiphias and the Balaenas. And that rifle really looks stupid.

>>13784796
It IS weird. But since I bought one on the hlj sale (and sold it off) I have a great need for a freedom.

What a time to be alive.

>>13788068
The original doesn't look half bad, might not be as detailed but the animation model didn't have tons of panel-lining, either, it looks p accurate to the movie imo

>>13788476
>edgy
Please stop literally raping the English language literally to death.

Are people actually upset over the proportions? It's a Freedom, you've got so many other options in varying scales for this MS. Plus you already have an MG Freedom and a 1/100 No Grade, just kit bash until you have the proportions you want. Personally, I think it looks fine.

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>>13788660
The problem is the shitty Gunpla culture that believes the newest MG is the best and only version of an MS that matters, which is really why I wish they'd call it some sort of offshoot instead of TWO POINT OH.

I mean I see people recommending MG Duel without any qualifications to people that just want a Duel because apparently the fact it barely fucking looks like any of its appearances and there is a great RD for AS and a decent 1/100 Duel that do doesn't matter. They wank off Gundam ver.Origin because it can do a wider range of arbitrary and irrelevant poses regardless of how fucking weird it looks.

If we're really unlucky they'll even force this design in other material to promote it.

>>13788766
>MUH ANIME PROPORTIONS
fuck off retard

>>13788617
That was the joke you brain dead fucktard.

>>13785076

Katoki has patrician taste. Sadly his fans does not. That is why all the recent stuff he designed are all about greebling and autistic gimmicks like opening useless hatches and retarded transformations.

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>>13784760
>UC isn't built on the backs of Gundams, its built on the backs of GM and Zaku variants
GLORY TO THE WORKING CLASS MOOKS
They are the true heroes.

>>13788793
Ver.Origin is 100% perfect anime proportions, actually.

Proportions have nothing to do with outright removing or adding huge chunks of geometry, by the way.

>>13788807
Reminder GM 2.0 is the only new normal release MG GM since 2002.

>>13788803
>all about greebling and autistic gimmicks like opening useless hatches
Turn A in a nutshell

>>13788842

>show accurate hatch for cow
>useless

Go back to your Sazabi Ver.Ka

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>>13788830
Who cares. I was buying Gelgoogs and Zakus. And Dom/Gouf here and there.

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>>13788766
>They wank off Gundam ver.Origin because it can do a wider range of arbitrary and irrelevant poses regardless of how fucking weird it looks.

I much prefer the GFF Origin proportions over the MG. The chest area and head are vastly superior.

>>13788803
Katoki actually does have pretty good taste when you look at the stuff he has pulled out for Ver.Ka lines or based his own designs on, it's just his own vision of things is kind of shit.