Muv-Luv Schwarzesmarken

If BETA never ever hit their own allies why don't they just tie live BETA to the TSFs to use them as shield?

>>13733512
Why not dress a TSF in BETA cosplay?

>>13733595
Why deal with BETA when the real enemy is HUMAN?

>>13733512
Because it would work well.
Can't have them being too successful without the protag.

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Why the fuck Ketchupman doing this mass execution in some random tunnel with special lights brought in so they can see what they're shooting.

Now poor Lise will have to drag all the bodies out, bury them, carry the lights away, and mop the blood off the floor so they can use it again.

Just kill them in the damn forest after getting them to dig their own grave and stand in it!

>>13733495
>better then TE they said

>>13733671
No one ever said that.

>>13733512
Actually, there was that one scene in Total Eclipse where someone was charging forward while holding a laser class hostage.

How is it that TE managed to be more visually interesting even with its copious QUALITY?

All Blackmarks has going for it is a sob story, really.

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>>13733698
Based Raptor kun

>>13733710
It wasn't grimdark pandering or military jargon focused for one. I can't think of any actual character in Schwarzemarken I actually give a shit about.

>they cut out Iris's shit jokes about Russian satellites and English rations

>>13733721
I mean I like miljargon quite a lot but the show itself just looks meh.

The story content is more engaging but it just looks like some mid 00's half-assed animation project. As meager as the budgets must be for Muv Luv anime, Satelight had more lively CGIwork going on in TE.

>>13733768
Nakahara and Ono both said working at Satelight for TE was really fun for them but I don't get that vibe with Liden. It seems like both TE's directors had a huge boner for Muv-Luv so they did the best they could with what they had.

What's baffling is that you'd have think with TE's VN doing decently as it did and the anime more then simply breaking even that age/ixtl would've fronted more money to the production budget for Schwarzemarken.

>>13733773
kouki needs mo money fo dem cars

>>13733780
Muv Luv is a tale of money problems.

>>13733780
*kouki needs mo money fo dem houses

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>>13733773
>>13733768
>>13733710
When TE wasn't going off model, it looked pretty much the same as SM. I honestly want to believe you guys are just being facetious, because this feels like it's turning out so nicely compared the collasal disappointment of TE.

>>13733794
The CGI though.

Whoever is handling the CGI is not giving me a good impression, it's merely serviceable when it should be more than that.

PLANEBOTS SHOULD MOVE WITH PASSION, NOT LIKE THEY HAVE LIMP DICKS.

>>13733794
I enjoyed TE for what it was, both the ups and downs. I'm not getting any sort of feeling that Liden is going to try to flesh out Schwarzemarken more then what their paid to do. And given how little their being paid for this, Schwarzemarken is already shaping up to be a huge disappointment.

>colossal disappoint of TE

There wasn't much hype for TE to begin with, so that's not really true. Besides the CGI, animation, and fights in TE once the 2nd director took over the story where much better from Kamtchaka and onwards.

Even the early episodes of TE actually look better then Schwarzemarken's first one.

>>13733803
To me it looked like they moved with weight. Admittedly TE did do the mech CG very well, but this looked fine to me; and thank fuck this is not as bad as Origin.

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>>13733807
>Even the early episodes of TE actually look better then Schwarzemarken's first one

>>13733821
There's plenty of QUALITY in Schwarzemarken's first episode. I was talking about the actual action sequences though.

>>13733814
I'm just saying it could be directed and modeled better.

But then again my standards for anime CGI can be pretty high at times.

>implying anime CGI has ever been good enough to warrant high expectations

Model texturing has been getting better but the skillset for animating has been all over the place; there's definitely people with the eye for it out there though.

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>>13733826
look at those glorious QUALITY MiGs!

TODAY I LEARNED THE VARIABLE NOSECONE ON THE MIG-21 WAS REPURPOSED TO BE THE CHIN FOR THE TSF EQUIVALENT.

>>13733831
Dude by CGI standards and animation, TE is still pretty top tier. I mean sure MJP and Fafner outclasses it but A/Z's, VVV's, Gargantia's, Aquarion EVOL, Unicorn even and MSG Origins are all terrible/worse.

>>13733840
>Orange CGI
>good

>>13733845
When it comes to mecha? Orange is fucking great.

>>13733847
They really aren't though.
Spinning cameras and animation smoother than liquid diarrhea does not equal good animation.

>>13733850
Yeah yeah, go away Valvrager.

>>13733851
That's not how calling Valvrager works you shithead.

>>13733647
What does Lise even do for the Stasi? Does she write up paperwork, conduct questioning, listen to hidden microphones? Or does she just shoot people?

I hate the Muvluv artstyle so fucking much, the scene where they have to put down their wounded comrade would have some impact if the characters looked like anything else, they could be fucking Hamtaro characters and it would be better

>>13733858
Stop trying you mongrel. Only Valvrager ever shitposts about Orange, historically and categorically every time, you dong.

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I smell this again

>>13733860
Passionless animation looks like shit, in other news water is wet and G Reco is shit.

>>13733860
If you don't like it, you can go back watching whatever you like. No need to get yourself rivaled up for such a petty reason when you can watch something you'd enjoy.

>>13733862
You got it backwards Valvrager, you defend anything that isn't Valvrave just to act like it's better than Valvrave.

Stop rewriting your lore.

>>13733862
>Valvrager
>shitposts about Orange

No that's the MJPhater strawman you're thinking of.

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>>13733873
>You got it backwards Valvrager

>>13733876
Its literally the same person.

>>13733878
>I don't know what I'm talking about but if I call it bait then I win

You seriously have no clue what you're talking about.

You guys are all full of shit, I'm gonna watch this anime with fanboy glasses and enjoy it to the fullest.

>>13733883
Who are you quoting, my delusional little shitposting anon?

>>13733894
Great post, Valvrager.

>>13733894
fuck off baby

>>13733899
Sup Valvrager.

>>13733495
Do I need to have seen Total Eclipse to watch this? TE drove me insane by episode 10 or 11 and I dropped it but I'd like to give this a chance.

>>13733907
Its not working, mate.

>>13733916
No, but you dropped TE at the worst part given how literally it improves when the second director takes over the anime on episode 12.

>>13733916
No but TE is definitely more enjoyable than this shit.

I wonder if ANN is trolling on purpose with their synopsis of Schwarzesmarken in the Winter Preview Guide.

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/preview-guide/2016/winter/schwarzes-marken/.97428

>In an alternate universe where the fallout of World War II led to a global split that left East Germany and West Germany in charge of the entire left and right hemispheres of the earth, the real war is only just beginning.

>In 1967, the space race resulted in contact with the hostile BETA aliens hiding out on the moon, and their assault on a world too freshly divided turned the earth into a frozen hell.

>Now specialized squadrons from East Germany, otherwise known as the German Democratic Republic, are dispatched to try and clean up the battlefields with mech-driven heavy artillery.

>The 666th squadron, known as the Schwarzesmarken, are the strongest in the corp, but their integrity may be under threat of compromise thanks to infiltration by the Stasi, who want to turn the war into a vehicle for East Germany's supremacy.

>Captain Theodor Eberbach, fearful of such an outcome, begrudgingly enlists the help of West German transplant Katia Waldheim to turn the tide of this global disaster.


It reads like something written by someone who watched the first episode while stoned.

>>13733920
TE doesn't actually improve on the second half.

It replaces an unfitting opening for ear rape but other than that the quality remains the same.

>>13733859
She and others who were indoctrinated like her were assigned to be spies for Axemann and killers, using whatever means to get their information or to get close to their target, including sex.

One of Lise's reasons for thinking Theo would hate her is because of everything that happened to her and things she did in order to keep Axemann from just hunting Theo down and having him killed.

>>13733930
You are blind then.

>>13733831
>the skillset for animating has been all over the place
Yeah, it's still pretty awful. This is partly thanks to 3D animation still being absolutely horrible to work on the few times I've worked with it in the past with other people have been really painful and there aren't very many people capable of producing good results.

>>13733930
The first half was badly handled but had the more interesting story, the second half was just boring. The tournament arc felt like it'd never end.

The budget seemed to have completely evaporated too because the QUALITY just got worse and worse in the second half.

>>13733928
How is it even possible to get this many things wrong in one paragraph?

>>13733978
Outside of the first half of the first cour of TE, the quality was worse between episodes 7 to 11. There's noticeable improvement in animation per episode that remained in the show, a lot less QUALITY until the Onsen episode, and a lot better visuals.

The entire Russia, Blue Flag, and Terrorist arcs were the best part about the anime.

>>13733984
The Russia arc was definitely the best part of the anime and seeing that experimental gun get used was probably the high point of the whole series; the Terrorist arc was fundamentally stupid but I kind of enjoyed it until the part where Yuuya threw a pebble at a car and it exploded.

I seem to recall the BDs did fix up a lot of the really bad stuff but I couldn't stomach sitting through more than a few episodes to watch it again.

>>13734018
>I seem to recall the BDs did fix up a lot of the really bad stuff

http://imgur.com/a/3AIUw

>>13734018
I thought the terrorist arc was a lot better then the Russian arc

>>13734020
>some shots actually look worse in the BD
Some do look better, but it is still a clusterfuck.

>>13734101
Like most BD "fixes" for any other anime

>>13734101
Which shots look worse, exactly?

Bear in mind that the order of which is BD and which is TV randomly switches at the start of episode 3.

>>13733755
baka desu

>>13733495
Yeah, sounds about right.

>>13733850
You forgot skyboxes

secondary here, I enjoyed the first episode

>>13733512
It would work for a while, then the BETA would just adapt to it and turn on friendly fire.

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Leave to fafners for cleaning up all pests

>>13735418
>BETA adapts to friendly fire
>registers other BETA as hostile
>BETA starts killing each other
problem solved-ish

>>13735671
>implying festum magic bullshit can stop the JAM

Festum magic bullshit was all part of the JAM ruse to begin with!

I used to lurk /m/ when Muvluv never had an anime adaptation, and I'm fairly certain wasn't even in English VN-wise. Is it actually good? I always confused it with Demonbane for some reason.

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>>13735806
The trilogy? Fuck yes. Can't speak for the rest of the franchise.

>>13733495
Theo resembles Shinn too much. There's even Not!Stella. Don't tell me she's her real sister.

someone spoil the schwarzesmarken LN/VN for me, I really want to get into it but I haven't go the time due this pesky thing called life

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>>13736328
Kill yourself.

>>13735418

but then wouldn't they start hitting their own allies normally?

>>13736328
Theodore's sister is alive because she got gangraped by the Stasi and is now a Stasi secret agent and she joins the 666 as a spy and gets half of them killed and Theodore defeats her and then executes her by shooting her in the face because germany is grim and dark

>>13733928
What did he get wrong?

No translation for the novel?

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>>13736353
Jokes aside, pretty sure they're not going to start actually targeting allies. Just that in the context of detecting BETA matter they'll have greater differentiation in normal, live, BETA matter, and seemingly inert BETA matter slathered onto a walking pile of electronics.

Besides, in most cases those Destroyers charging you and getting mixed in with Grapplers and Tanks are the only things keeping you from being fried when you're on level ground. Do you really want them to start committing friendly fire? Not only are you going to get decimated, you can't even fire back because of the volume of penetrated BETA bodies blocking you.

These guys are 3 meters tall. If they wanted to /ff/, we're going to be in a hell lot of trouble. They have way more meatshields than we can ever have in TSFs. If they centered around /ff/.

>>13736401
Try almost everything.

>>13736425

At least the people reviewing it have an appreciation for the little red fuckers.

>>13733626
>yfw BETA UPRISING

>>13735806
>Demonbane for some reason
probably the loli sidekick

>>13736419
The Fortress Class BETA literally didn't give a shit and used it's gigantic laser and wrecked the entire fleet stationed off-coast including all the BETA in it's way in the Total Eclipse VN.

>>13736401
>In an alternate universe where the fallout of World War II led to a global split that left East Germany and West Germany in charge of the entire left and right hemispheres of the earth, That's wrong and I can only ascribe it to horrendous misunderstanding of the map at the start and zero knowledge of history.

>In 1967, the space race resulted in contact with the hostile BETA aliens hiding out on the moon, and their assault on a world too freshly divided turned the earth into a frozen hell.
I can only assume they thought a frozen Eastern Europe meant the whole world was frozen.

>Now specialized squadrons from East Germany, otherwise known as the German Democratic Republic, are dispatched to try and clean up the battlefields with mech-driven heavy artillery.
The mechs aren't carrying heavy artillery.

>The 666th squadron, known as the Schwarzesmarken, are the strongest in the corp, but their integrity may be under threat of compromise thanks to infiltration by the Stasi, who want to turn the war into a vehicle for East Germany's supremacy.
I must have missed the part where the Stasi wanted to rule the world

>Captain Theodor Eberbach, fearful of such an outcome, begrudgingly enlists the help of West German transplant Katia Waldheim to turn the tide of this global disaster.
They couldn't even get Theo's rank right let alone his motivation.

Again, it reads like something written by someone who watched the first episode while stoned or drunk.

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>>13736510
>stoned
Even a stoner would notice the fucking Aliens.

>>13736500

Well, first off, as of its first and only appearance it's a one-off.

Secondly, IIRC the spoilers mentioned that its ground firing threaded through pacified ground; those were corpses. So it technically broke no rules.

Thirdly, yes, that was the point I was driving at. Now imagine if every Laser/Heavy Laser did the same.

>>13736522
>So it technically broke no rules.
It broke the the already established rules that BETA don't shoot each other even if dead.

>>13736530
Got me there.

>>13736530
>Even when dead
I don't seem to remember this mentioned everywhere; what's mentioned is that they never commit friendly fire; inert recyclable organic matter doesn't count. The cgs of the destroyers getting blasted by the laser fort in the TE VN had been confirmed to be corpses.

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You will never be personally executed by Beatrix-sama, is there any point on living?

>skipping the Commissar bitching about wasting time to kill BETA against the Will of the Party
>skipping Theo using his mad knife skills to rescue Commissar from being the worst pilot
>skipping Iris's crap jokes and cockpit voice recorder trolling
>skipping Sylvia blaming Annette
All these bits of characterization sacrificed on the altar of 1 cours anime, leaving them devoid of personality.

Is there still a David Bowie in the MLA universe?

>>13736606
sasuga budget

what I do find irritating about most 1 cour LN/VN adaptations is they don't even try, does this method even work as a way to promote the VN/LN?

>>13736621
Seems to work as 1 cour shows are the most common for adaptations.

>>13736606
Isn't this supposed to be split cour?

>>13736621
I guess one can think of it as a very, very expensive commercial.

Although why they propagate this practice is beyond me. It must work, though, or it'd have fallen out of use even before SM came on the wagon.

>>13736655
Who told you that? The discography page on the anime website has only confirmed 6 volumes of blurays.

>>13736677
I heard about it on the internet.

>>13736612
FUCK YOU YOU JUST KILLED HIM

>>13736606
Is it really one cour? Fuck, this is going to be shittier than TE if that's the case.
I wish the VN got released in the west

>>13733495
when does the uncensored version airs?

>>13737221
Friday/Saturday

>>13737221
not like was so censured

>>In an alternate universe where the fallout of World War II led to a global split that left East Germany and West Germany in charge of the entire left and right hemispheres of the earth, the real war is only just beginning!
>>In 1967, the space race resulted in contact with the hostile BETA aliens hiding out on the moon, and their assault on a world too freshly divided turned the earth into a frozen hell!
>>Now specialized squadrons from East Germany, otherwise known as the German Democratic Republic, are dispatched to try and clean up the battlefields with mech-driven heavy artillery, the Robotic Assault Drones, RAD!
>>The 666th squadron, known as the BLACK REAPERS, are the strongest in the corp, but their integrity may be under threat of compromise thanks to infiltration by the evil Stazis, who want to turn the war into a vehicle for East Germany's supremacy.
>>Captain Theodore Ableback, fearful of such an outcome, begrudgingly enlists the help of West German transplant Catia Wallham to turn the tide of this global disaster and save the Earth from the alien threat!

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Why did you faggots lie about her?

I got hyped thinking we'd get a complex villain that you could even sympathize with to an extent, but all I got was a sadistic murdering bitch. It was claimed that she was like Yuuko and did what she did because she believed she had to, not because she personally enjoyed it, yet the anime shows her as absolutely giddy to be let off of Axemann's leash and begin massacring helpless people. So far, I don't see how she could even be remotely likable beyond her physical attractiveness. She's shown herself to be the absolute most repugnant character, more so than Sagiri, Sandek, or the Master, in the whole franchise.

>>13737363
>So far, I don't see how she could even be remotely likable beyond her physical attractiveness.

Welcome to the internet, where anons will desperately try to excuse and headcanon a character only because she's hot.

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>>13737420
Well, I was expecting evil, I wasn't expecting a complete monster. She looks like she doing a lot of this shit because she enjoys it, kinda like she really doesn't really care about the BETA beyond using it as an excuse to hurt people.
An anon over in /a/ basically stated that Beatrix is
> cartoonishly evil, almost like a younger, hotter, anime version of pic-related. She looks like the type to cackle as she burns babies in ovens.
So far, I have to agree with him. Even SS didn't like execution duty, but here we have Beatrix loving ever second of it. I don't get how such a person could ever be anything other than a monster.

>>13733713
why the fuck dont they just strap live beta on themselves?

>>13737452
Some people are fucked up, Anon.
You ever heard what Mexican drug cartels do to people?

>hijack a bus
>order driver to go innajungle or you start shooting
>pile everyone out and separate the men and women
>tell the men to fight each other; winners get to be cartel slaves, losers get piled up on the ground
>tell bus driver to run the losers over or he joins them
>take all the women and children to the rape factory
>rape the hot ones, dunk the uggos and children IN FUCKING ACID just because

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Annett stop clogging up the radio with your mental breakdown other people need to use this channel for actually important things

>>13737464
Well, even if you can find people willing to work at the BETA Capture and Armor Storage Facility and pay them to strap horrifying space monsters to the mechs every sortie, it's still only going to work for about a month until the BETA adapt and stop giving a shit.

>>13737486
That shit would definitely be right up Beatrix's alley.

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Were these three being deliberately morbid by not even having a cockpit first aid kit ready for immediate emergency resuscitation the moment they gained access to Inghild, and just leisurely strolling in instead of rushing to save their comrade from major battlefield trauma where seconds count?

>>13737502
Well, in the LN they wouldn't of had time to treat her wounds anyways. Also, her injuries were far more severe.

>>13737452
>>13737363

>anime only fags

>>13737505
>Well, in the LN they wouldn't of had time to treat her wounds anyways. Also, her injuries were far more severe
They wouldn't know that until they actually cracked the cockpit open and assessed her condition, so it's a little fatalistic that they didn't seem to be in any rush to gain access or have a first aid kit at the ready while gaining access.

>>13733495
Sounds like they train with copies of EXVS.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lMPB5JweXs

>>13737363
>>13737452
Beatrix really is the worse. I actually hate her more than anybody else so far in the show and am looking forward to a very painful/brutal end to her despite her gorgeousness.

>>13737513
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WDmJNVKOZQ

>>13735671

Two out of four of those enemies it is literally impossible for the Fafners to defeat (the Gauna and the Angels) due to a lack of the specialized weaponry required to combat them.

Victory against the Vajra is, while immensely unlikely, at least theoretically possible.

But sure, go nuts on the Beta.

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We should do a strawpoll midway through the series on who's best/favorite girl; I'm betting Beatrix would place near the bottom. She's getting a lot of hate both on 4chan and off of it now that the anime has shown what a sadistic scumbag thug she is.

>>13737523
You can brute-force Angels to death. Just look at what happened to Ramiel and Arael. And Mark Sein's assimilation capabilities would likely be extremely helpful as well, considering how AT fields work.

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>>13737357
>East Germany and West Germany in charge of the entire left and right hemispheres of the earth

hahaha wat

>Robotic Assault Drones, RAD!

uuuuhhhh

>infiltration by the evil Stazis, who want to turn the war into a vehicle for East Germany's supremacy

at least the first part of that is more or less accurate

>Captain Theodore Ableback
>save the Earth from the alien threat!

who the fuck wrote this?

>>13737546
ANN

>>13737513
What's up with age making ripoff music all the time though?

>>13737502
you realize that pilot essentially got her insides turned into strawberry, right?

>>13737505
>anime only fags
having only lurked around muv luv threads and how someone mentioned earlier that they took out what can be considered as a key scenes that elaborates certain aspects of the characters I do believe this to be the case, Beatrix might be a more complex character in the LN/VN but I very much doubt they'll go into this in the anime.

>>13737546
ANN wrote it the original. >>13736510

>>13737555
They didn't know that yet, and they wouldn't know that until they actually got a good look at her and ideally performed an ATLS assessment. So right up until Pham assesses her and pronounces her beyond saving, they should have had IV fluids and pressure bandages and so on all ready to go, and Pham should really have been in more of a hurry to get in and assess her in the first place.

>>13737553
When in doubt, go with homage, because they think it's cool or they're lazy

>>13737357
>>13737546
The year is 2087, and humanity is about to lose its position as the dominant life form on planet Earth. An endless swarm of biomechanical beings known as the Venomoid Spider Crabs descend from space. Earth's Space Knights are no match for the Venemoid Spider Crab champions, the Teknomen. When the young pilots Ringo Richards and Star Summers find a wounded stranger named Blade, humanity gains one last hope. Blade is able to transform into a Teknoman, but he has no memories and fights to protect Earth. His opponents are not only the endless alien menace, but also the other Teknomen -- who were once human, and his family and friends!

>>13737567
No stopping for the critically injured.

The Party does not look kindly upon those who cannot serve it in full capacity.

>>13737567
the LN even describes that part of her fucking skull sunk in the face
the fortified suits allow to check the vital signs of the soldiers and she was going down fast
if anything, Iris shooting her was a mercy kill

>>13737580
>the LN even describes that part of her fucking skull sunk in the face
Which they can't tell without actually looking at her.

>the fortified suits allow to check the vital signs of the soldiers and she was going down fast
All the more reason to hurry the fuck up with resuscitation if the vital signs are showing her going into hemorrhagic shock

>>13737556
Yeah, the execution scene is an anime original. All they'd have to do to keep it in line with Beato's character is not have drawn her with that smile. A frown or even a neutral expression would've left some wiggle room for them to work in some of her positive characteristics. Or they could've just adapter the end of her TSFiA short and have her coldly asking the defectors for their last words before shooting them.

Apart from Beatrix you got

>Katia being an imbecile instead of just naive because they cut out all the trust building Theo has to do with her before she spills her secrets
>Gretel gets her bitchiness and bad piloting scenes cut so she looks better
>Iris gets her bad jokes cut, and she's not anywhere near as likable
>Theo isn't anywhere near as paranoid as he should be because they cut the scene where he contemplated shooting Katia; in the anime, he's just a dick
>Annette's PTSD is ridiculously overblown
>Cut the scene where Theo abandons Annette and Inghild because he doesn't want to deal with PTSD-chan (which is why Iris was blaming him for Inghild)

And this is just in the first episode. Almost everybody is way less sympathetic and way more exaggerated than they were in the VN. Also, personal opinion, but I thought the VN was way better acted. Iris just sound like "Iris" and Beato was pure sex on the ears.

>I initially approached Schwarzesmarken with trepidation. I've heard mixed reviews of its predecessor, Muv-Luv Alternative (of which Schwarzesmarken serves as a prequel), and its setting in East Germany raised red flags that this could easily be more conservative propaganda masquerading as a military otaku harem show.

>The unit is where the anime takes its name which is the German word for “666.” This sort of “scary” Christian imagery will seem tired to Westerners where every B-level horror film about demon possession has invoked 666 at one point or another. That said, I can't help but associate military units and vague religious icons with Nazism, especially ones shown committing mass executions. Schwarzesmarken is just toeing the line

>Schwarzesmarken is set in the same universe as 2012's Muv-Luv Alternative: Total Eclipse and those familiar with the original will find that this first episode promises exactly what the original series delivered. The look of the series is almost identical to that of the original; the monstrously creepy, CG-animated BETA designs are fully carried over, as are the sensibilities on mecha design and the skintight combat suits.

>>13737600
And yet she gave it half a point more in the numerical rating than her colleague who had less complaints in the text of his review. Funny how that works huh?

>>13737363
Is she the new Esdeath then?

>>13737652
Beatrix isn't played for laughs like Esdeath. She's much more serious so she comes off as far more evil.

>>13736606
Wait this is 1 COUR? I didn't look it up because TE was 2. Holy shit, I should just get off this train while I can

>>13737706
>Wait this is 1 COUR?
Presumably it's 1 cours, seeing as the official website only lists six BD volumes.

>>13737712
I just want to know when the second VN hits. I've already given up hope on this anime. It's going to be like the KGNE adaption, alright on it's own merits, but shit as an adaptation.

>>13737706
How can a trainwreck like TE already be better!?

>I initially approached Schwarzesmarken with trepidation. I've heard mixed reviews of its predecessor, Muv-Luv Alternative (of which Schwarzesmarken serves as a prequel), and its setting in East Germany raised red flags that this could easily be more conservative propaganda masquerading as a military otaku harem show.

>The unit is where the anime takes its name which is the German word for “666.” This sort of “scary” Christian imagery will seem tired to Westerners where every B-level horror film about demon possession has invoked 666 at one point or another. That said, I can't help but associate military units and vague religious icons with Nazism, especially ones shown committing mass executions. Schwarzesmarken is just toeing the line

>>13733859
She was turned into a swallow.

>>13733859
Sex slave

I'm not even kidding

It's this grimderp

>>13736621
>does this method even work as a way to promote the VN/LN?
Do you have any idea of the difference in the number of people who follow new VN releases and seasonal TV anime?

LNs are cheap and easy to consume so they can be pretty big too but there is a reason Fate/Stay Night is a million times bigger than MLA.

>>13737758
hahaha what a faggot

>>13738042
The difference was was that Fate's adaptions are decent compared to this. Characters remain in essence themselves because they knew what to trim and what not for the most part. For instances, not sticking in Theo deliberating whether or not to shoot Katia is a huge cut.

>>13738051
>The difference was was that Fate's adaptions are decent compared to this.
>DEEN
Not talking about spinoffs though, the source material for those isn't as well regarded anyways.

>>13738059
DEEN making Theo an idiot was complete shit, but it's still better than this.

>>13738051
>For instances, not sticking in Theo deliberating whether or not to shoot Katia is a huge cut.
They don't have to do it here, because next episode he'll decide whether she should "accidentally" die to BETAs or not.

>>13738068
They can still recover most of the characters. Katia might be a little difficult. Cutting out all the relationship shit with Theo makes her trusting him look really stupid. They've already dug themselves into a hole with Beatrix, so they can't really play her as anything other than an edgy psycho whore, unfortunately.

>>13738075
They never had time to give Beatrix any kind of decent characterization anyways, she'll have like 5 minutes of screentime in the entire fucking show at this rate.

>>13738077
No, she should've appeared in episode 2, to threaten/taunt Iris if they were following the VN/LN. Alternatively, there's a couple of short stories revolving around her they could've used. The execution scene was something the anime shoehorned in to scream "LOOK AT THE EVIL BITCH." The VN is much more neutral. She's dangerous, but not an enemy/evil yet. She even saves the 666 and other trapped NVA units at one point.

>>13738077
>>13738086
At this point they're making her look like a female version of Yazan Gable.

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>>13738097
They probably won't even get into why she hates Iris, which is a real shame because it totally redefines her character as being more than just a petty, jealous bitch (like Theo thinks).

I am pretty sure blocking a laser with a reactive armour shield was super retarded but I don't care enough to be autismo about why again.

Seems to me you should just get lit up by every laser class in the vicinity at once and the shield has no more defense against lasers than your armour.

>>13738086
You're just ranting like a shit, not replying to what was actually written. The characterization of everyone but the core 3-4 has to be exaggerated to fuck because it has to be crammed into a tiny fraction of the time and the plot does not work if you don't get across certain things. The main point of that scene is just to introduce the enemy group in general right away to set things up.

Scwarzesmarken is not a story about Beatrix. It is not going to sacrifice everything else just for the sake of including every scene ever written of her so you can think you win a meaningless internet argument.

>>13738121
>The characterization of everyone but the core 3-4
But they mess them up too.

I just picked on Beato because all they would've had to do to keep in in characters is not make her smirk. I think she got it the worst. And yeah, it's not about her, and I really wouldn't want it to be either. At the end of the day, she's still the main villain.

I think Katia and Theo are also greatly diminished by the anime too.

>>13738121
The shield still adds more material that the laser has to ablate through, technically.

>While the results gained from the enormous financial expenditure and sacrifices made to capture and study BETA were mocked as "the BETA have been confirmed to be carbon-based life forms and nothing more", the discovery of an enzyme affecting the decline of metabolism was considered a significant contribution to humanity's cause.
The BETA contained the secret to eternal youth?

>However, completely alien forms of the BETA's organic structures and functions shocked the researchers; due to concerns for deviating from bio-ethical guidelines, Alternative II would eventually be shelved to make space for Alternative III.
hahahahahahaaa what

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>>13738131
>I think Katia and Theo are also greatly diminished by the anime too.
Sure, but they are still going to have a lot more time to at least do a half job of it.

And yes the fact everyone will be a 1 dimensional cardboard standup of themselves because the anime is too fucking short is shit but don't act like it's a capitalist plot to discredit your waifu.

It's not like the characterization is -totally- not there, Katia brings up her goal when she does because Theo just went on a huge anti-stasi rant that makes him seem vaguely trustworthyish and Beatrix does have her parting line. Consider what it would tend to imply if you had Beatrix making a really serious expression there, it's not like she exactly has a problem with killing people.

>>13738145
I like how people still fall for random shit someone made up and yet it's crazy to suggest maybe people shouldn't believe what they heard from their friend's cousin's uncle about how Mitsuo Fukuda is the anti-Christ and rapes babies.

>>13738155
I am probably confusing the real version of this and the pasta version of this.

>>13738146
That parting line came off more as a joke, especially when you know what Axmann is like. And the smirk implies she's enjoying it, that she's using the BETA as an excuse to work off sadistic impulses, that she's completely evil and always was. Giving her a I don't give a shit expression would've been better. I don't mind making her completely unsympathetic because they had to cut out side material because she is a villain, but I don't think they need to put in extra scenes to make her even more evil when she already is plenty evil.

Katia still looks like a complete dunce though, any way you look at it. I guess you can rationalize it was Theo saving her, but oh, wait, in the anime it was Iris who saved her while Theo was just the first one to her TSF, so even that's busted.

>>13738169
Pasta version of what?

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>>13738171
>And the smirk implies she's enjoying it, that she's using the BETA as an excuse to work off sadistic impulses, that she's completely evil and always was
I think you are reading a bit too much into this.

>Katia still looks like a complete dunce though, any way you look at it.
Retard is moe. Obviously Katia's only important character trait is kawaii uguu.

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>>13738181
Getting off on murdering others, especially when they can't fight back is usually the mark of only the most evil villains in anime.

Katia has a lot more going for her than just her Kawaii uguu factor. If they keep playing up her moe retard factor than later character developments (like her speech) won't make any sense at all.

>>13738207
>Getting off on murdering others, especially when they can't fight back is usually the mark of only the most evil villains in anime.
Something something space rat.

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>>13738213
>not getting a boner when executing traitorous rebel scum
that's not very patriotic

>>13733495
holy shit, the /a/ threads are a fucking gold mine of frodo's and beatrix hate boners

>>13738237
There is no way anyone actually gives much of a shit from how little she has been in the anime, it is all trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls.

>>13738237
Were there any new Frodos or were they retreads of Tortilla Chips?

>>13738246
both
can't wait to see their reaction when the uncensored episodes airs

>>13738171
>>13738207
Beatrix was always easily the most evil person in SM (yes, I'm including Axemann btw). Consider that she's killed so many more people that Axemann ever did. You see, whereas Axmann's sadism is secondary to his thirst for power, Beatrix is ruled purely by impulse. She doesn't have a goal or plan really. If she wasn't in the stasi, she'd still likely be torturing and killing people. The BETA provide a convenient means to act mask these desires in patriotic bullshit. She doesn't really too much about anyone or anything, it's always about bringing as much pain to as many people as possible.

As for Iris, she had the umbrage to be better than out little psychopath back when they were attending the Air Academy. A rational person would be happy with 2nd place or learn how to move on after so many years, but not Beatrix. No, instead, she set out to kill and torture her rival and everyone connected to her. Thankfully, the government that allows her to project her sadistic hatred to the masses makes it difficult for her to get back at Iris without proof.

In all, it makes for a great and absolutely terrifying villain. In an era where "sympathetic" villains are vogue, it's refreshing to a character who you want to see fought without remorse and killed painfully.

>>13738258
>Beatrix was always easily the most evil person in SM
You forgot about Iris.

>>13738265
Yeah, and you should totally stop projecting your waifu's faults onto other characters.

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Okay guys

WHAT IF for a second everyone wasn't retarded for a second and thought for a moment and we tried to think out of the problem

>Beta lasers are problem
>develop technology to detect when you are being targetted
>Stupid pilto jumps high and gets slammed by said laser

okay, so now the smart part
>take TSF, A-10 is best example for this
>give directional and distance tracking to the laser-thingymagicky
>the moment the system detects a lock, the shoulder miniguns BRRRT onto the target with breddy gud accuracy


There, go home

>>13738237
>>13738244
>beatrix hate boners
To be fair, it's kinda annoying seeing all the love a complete shitter like her was getting. Beyond being hot, she has literally nothing at all going for her. A dog turd is more waifuable once you strip away that sex goddess exterior.

Most of it is probably trolling though.

>>13738270
The only one with any notable character flaws is Iris. That cunt deserves nothing but suffering for being the most wile person in the entire setting. I'm honestly disgusted at you Irisfags.

>>13738294
>she has literally nothing at all going for her
She isn't Iris. That alone makes her a good person in comparison.

>>13738298
Why do you hate Iris so much? She hasn't tortured or murdered anyone in cold blood.

>>13738305
>She hasn't tortured or murdered anyone in cold blood.
That isn't even comparable to selling out your own brother and getting him killed.

>>13738283
Wow you discovered the secret behind SEAD: you intentionally get lit up to hunt down and kill the target.

>>13738313
Well, I suppose we have different moral systems running us. I think killing thousands is way worse than being coerced into selling out family.

Iris also greatly regrets it. Do we ever see any remorse in Beatrix? No, we don't. Iris is trying to redeem herself while Beatrix does her best to fuck other over.

>>13738321
>Iris also greatly regrets it. Do we ever see any remorse in Beatrix?
Remorse and regret means nothing, what's done is done.
> Iris is trying to redeem herself
Too bad for her that she can't.

I wanted to get into muv luv but I might have made the wrong decision watching this. It seems really shit. Is this a VN adaptation?

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>>13738331
You're baiting me.

Besides, we don't know how the prequel ends. I think Beatrix will be the one who turns traitor first (she was in the stasi around the time Jurg got purged).

>>13738145
>1
No, but it did make them easier to capture.

>2
I couldn't make this up if I tried. Still, it was only 1968, needs about 30 more years of prolonged war to season that hatred.

生物学的に出鱈目なその形状・生態は研究者を震撼させ、未知領域に対する潜在的恐怖は生命倫理を逸脱した第三計画(オルタネイティヴ3)採択への呼び水となる。
The haphazard shapes and ecology of their biology shocked the researchers, with regards to this unknown area the potential horror of deviating from bioethics resulted in calls for the adoption of the third plan. (IW pg. 19)

Still, what news of the kickstarter's progress, anons? As professionals they "should" be getting the job done better, right?

>>13738338
I'm being completely sincere with my opinions.

>Besides, we don't know how the prequel ends. I think Beatrix will be the one who turns traitor first
We'll just have to wait and see how it turns out but I really doubt Iris is going to be innocent.

>>13738367
Beatrix and Jurgen were still lovey-dovey after two years. It was so bad that Jurgen went to go see her first when he got back to Berlin after a year fighting BETA, much to Irisdina's chagrine. Iris, meanwhile, has been kinda jelly about everything (just read the translated portions of BiS, she wanted to keep Jurgen away from Beatrix).

Maybe Beato and Jurg did have a falling out, but it's hard to believe that when a portion of his recorded final words were directed towards her.

>>13738345
We already got names of those working on the TL: gabgrave, evan and sachibelle (AltPro as expected)... and koestl.

>>13738496
>most competent one has the least impact
It's pretty annoying reading parts of game script that feel like memeposting.

>>13738513
English can eat shit, yknow.

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What a waste of good pussy

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>>13738588
Basically the whole show man.

Arent baters just biological von Neumann probes?

>>13738631
Complete with a Creator-centric Three Laws.

Beatrix daki added to the poll of the KS rewards.

Unfortunately it's the same design than the Comiket, so if the other designs are exclusive to the KS and won't be available anywhere else, it would probably be better to get a maximum of those instead of Beatrix.

>>13738663
The Iris daki isn't unique either.

>>13738626

Oh that's just fucking typical. Dropped.

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I just found out that this was a thing. I feel like mega slowbro now.

>>13738705
Yeah, the hero's even responsible for brutally killing Sex Stasi and Imouto

>>13738697
Aren't the original list images only here to preview some previous work and not what Bou will be working on ?

>>13738626
best girl is dead, I honestly don't know why I expected otherwise, it's pretty damn common in the series for that to happen

>>13738730
They were specifically selling the old ones for stuff that already exists, that's why they were added regardless of poll results.

Equally I've been telling people for months that practically all the others will get released at events in Japan, just maybe not whatever the fuck got through the polls in gaijin land and not the Japanese vote. (like, Ayamine?)

>all this complaint about the anime
ok so I can read moonrunes just fine can I just read the LN or do I have to go into the VN as well for the full story?

>>13739078
>thinking age puts effort into things anymore

>>13739078
The LN is the full story and came first
then the VN

>>13739084
ah ok thanks, because I thought they'd stop the LN at one point then continued with the story in the VN

>>13739078
The LNs are shit too

>>13739095

Oh forgot to say that the VN only covers about half the story
The next one is slate for around winter and is supposed to come with routes that are VN original

So it's worth the shot to read the VNs when it comes out if you've finished all the LNs by then

Enjoy, I'm going to be picking up the LNs as well

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>>13738770
SHITHEADS
BUY YOUR FUCKING WAIFU

>>13739101
that's a given, I mean we are talking about muv luv here, for what it's worth I enjoyed the TSFiA short storties

>>13739107
Martyts is slated for sometime this Spring, last I checked.

>>13739107
now here's where I be a douche, any place where I can get the scanned version of the LN?

>>13739114
but revoltech TSFs are no longer available

>>13739114
>implying I'm giving age a penny over a side story I barely consider relevant
And she's not even my Maburabu waifu.

>>13739132
You can find I-VI (check Nyaa). 7 has never been fully scanned.

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>>13739123
Says winter now

>>13739114
Thanks for the heads-up, just preordered

>>13739132
For LNs I don't buy I usually use minoland dot com, a chink site that has DDLs

>>13739143
You know I could understand age delays when the end product actually half-justified it but it's just sad now.

>>13733885
As a fan of an VNs, I watched TE with fanboy glasses on and it just made it fucking worse.

>>13733885
Don't do that. Every single LNfag has walked out utterly disappointed by this anime.

>>13738335
The second part of the VN is coming soon. For now only the first part is available.

If you are into japanese, you can read the LN.

Or if you want to get into the Muv Luv ride in general, you should do the original VN trilogy.

>>13739078
Don't listen to the fags who can't get into moonrunes and spit on it, the LN is really good and I can only recommand it if you can read it.

>>13739163
I felt the anime could've been better but even as fan I still find it more enjoyable then 90% of the mecha that aired after it, highs and lows still make it worthwhile in my eyes.

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>>13739170
>dey ruined mah Beato

That's pretty much all they've been screaming at. It's pretty stupid. She's the villain, she's supposed to be evil.

>>13739173
>the LN is really good
2/10 for making me reply

>>13739189
>dat gif
welp, i knew they just had to do it

>>13739191
nicely memed.
>>13739189
not that kind of evil.

>>13739182
I hardly watch newly aired mecha anime at this point in my life, so that distinction doesn't really matter to me. Show was shit, regardless of the other mecha shows released around that time.
People say the LN/manga is better, but I really have my doubts. Even without the off model animation and pacing issues, I really don't think I get the point of Total Eclipse's characters, or the overall message of the spinoff.

>>13739189
They fucked up way more than Beatrix with only the first episode.

Who knows what else they will fuck.

Besides, I'm spitting on it only because I wanted it to be a good adaptation. It's clearly not, but maybe it will be a decent anime for some people. Good for them.

>>13739189
Well, we also complained about Theo, Katia, Gretel, and everything else. The deal with Beato was, rather than a cut, it was something that was added. You can kinda rationalize one, but you can't rationalize the other.

>>13739196
Tell me about it.

They also made Katia a complete dunce (she tells Theo she's a Strawitz right after she meets him and he's giving her the tour), the made Iris boring and dull, and they removed Theo's paranoia (he doesn't even contemplate shooting Katia), oh, and Iris was the one to rescue Katia, Theo was just the first to her MiG. Oh, and Gretel is best girl cause they removed her bitchiness and her bad piloting scenes. Also, Inghi's injuries don't look anywhere near bad enough (Inghi even reacted an looked to Iris as Iris pulled the trigger), so Iris shooting her comes off way worse than it does in the LN/VN.

The Japs are extremely pissed. The only ones who like this are the anime original faggots.

On it's own though, it's a pretty alright anime, as an adaptation, it's a real turd/

>>13739207
> I really don't think I get the point of Total Eclipse's characters
I take these side stories as "this is a thing that also happened", just a another event in that world

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>>13739196
She doesn't even wipe the blood off and jokes about it all.

>>13739228
I'm not commenting on Schwarzesmarken yet, as it could be an entirely different beast, but Total Eclipse didn't seem to have anything interesting or memorable to add to the Muv Luv universe.

>>13739207
The anime is a bit poor at getting across the idea that Yuuya's point is that he basically takes Takeru's character arc from a world native perspective. Takeru is alien to Japanese culture because he's from the Americanized, identity detached modern Japan, Yuuya is alien to Japanese culture because he's American and had no Japanese parenting influence. Takeru is alien to war because he's from a peaceful world, Yuuya is alien to war because he's a test pilot. They have different motivation and personalities but it's kind of like Amuro and Kamille.

I don't think any version of TE has been well executed though, the LNs got rewritten like a motherfucker between serialization and volume releases and the VN is a rushed pile of garbage.

>>13739222
Good and 1:1 are not the same thing.

>>13739227
You already posted the same thing literally like 20 posts ago.

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>>13739207
I don't care what you watch or how you treat and receive anime in general, everything is fucking subjective. I was just explaining my stand point, and with my ability to at least decently read moonrunes to have a working knowledge of what's going on I find the differences between the novels and anime pretty staggering.

And the TE Rohgun/TE Rising Manga is pretty damn good.

>>13739259
The whole thematic of TE is about how Yuuya resents his Japanese side because of abandonment issues over his father and racism affecting him growing up in the Deep South. I don't see much parity in comparing Yuuya's story and Takeru's in terms of the hardships they go through or their situations in general in terms of development.

>>13739259
>Good and 1:1 are not the same thing.

And I said it wasn't a good adaptation.

They didn't have to do a 1:1 thing, but they made choices which definitely prevent it from being anything " Good " ( Again, as an adaptation, not as an anime )

>>13739259
I don't have any issues with the LNs but age is constantly known and even infamous for missing deadlines, failing at reaching target dates with their projects, Miyata was fired for tracing and plaguerization and got age and ixtl into a bunch of lawsuits that cost them a lot of money and the VN was rushed and under budget as a result as Kouki was deseparate for other artists since they lost the guy who had succeeded Iizuki as the lead artist.

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>>13739245
>>13739189
>>13739202
>>13739196

She was so giddy when Killsauce Guy gave her the go ahead too. Just look at how much she's enjoying herself. Brings a smile your face, doesn't it?

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>>13739298
>666 resolution
heh

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>>13739227
>Inghi even reacted an looked to Iris as Iris pulled the trigger, so Iris shooting her comes off way worse than it does in the LN/VN.
/a/ is still arguing over it

>>13739279
You need to look at it in terms of the overall point of Muv-Luv being to promote moderate Japanese nationalism to disenfranchised youth. Both characters are disenfranchised from their Japanese backgrounds but for different reasons. Takeru's is more directly relatable to actual young Japanese people, Yuuya's is more "believable" due to the lack of crazy sci-fi nonsense to justify it. No one ever really tells him his butthurt over his childhood is wrong besides Cryska's parent envy, just that Japanesu is cool anyways.

Also note Leon embraces his nipnong heritage from the start and gets to fly the strongest TSF while he fucks the hottest chick with relatively little drama.

>>13739259
>the LNs got rewritten like a motherfucker
Citation?

>>13739321
>a half Japanese guy who isn't ashamed of his Japanese background but is completely 100% American flies a TSF that is the epitome of anti-Japanese mindset
I'm not seeing the connection.

>>13739316
It seems like a nod to Yui being a useless shit in Burning Capital, so Irisdina not pansying the fuck out and feeling guilty for the next 3 years should be considered a positive character trait.

>>13739321
>moderate Japanese nationalism
Japanese nationalism has no moderate setting.

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>>13739326
In the VN and LN, it's way more obvious she's a goner.

>>13739325
Because it's not about JAPAN STRONK, it's about how embracing your cultural identity is a positive thing.

it's true the last 2 episode are one hour long or it's just MAL bullshit? Seems the only way too fit everything if it's going to adapt half volume per episode

>>13739326
Literally no connection between the two mate

>>13739321
>>13739335
But Leon was fucking Yuuya's sloppy seconds!

>>13739351
I disagree with his approach but people will see and interpret one thing differently from another.

>>13739323
Vol.6 took over 3 years to come out after the last serialized chapter. It was released 4 months after the anime adaption of the same content even.

>>13739375
That's because the entire LN series was put on hiatus until the anime came out in the first place

>>13739332
Well yeah the original version is entirely different but with this one the way Inghild smiles about it brings it to mind. I don't mind this as a change really because it's still relevant material and arguably a good way to illustrate the difference between this and the previous anime series.

>>13739387
The story was up to the same point still, technically the anime stops slightly short of where chapter 29 did to avoid the fucking sniper cliffhanger.

>>13739401
The VN added in content from the anime and some anime original plot line stuff as well a few things from the Ishagaki and Rohgun manga's. The LNs are technically still kind of separate from that stuff going by what Kouki was saying after the anime ended.

If no actual past content already published was revised or changed to reflect this in future releases then it technically in my eyes at least doesn't qualify as a "rewrite" or revision. Hell, didn't Kouki write a side story one-shot novel about Kyoko that was bundled with volume 1 BD pre-order collection editions of the anime?

>>13739417
>If no actual past content already published was revised or changed to reflect this in future releases then it technically in my eyes at least doesn't qualify as a "rewrite" or revision
The point is the paperback version of the LNs are different than the magazine serialization. Eg. the Raptor flashback (which is a major character event for Yuuya, Leon, and Sharon) wasn't in Tech Gian but was in vol.6.

>>13739114
Was Katia meant to be that stacked? I thought she was the pseudo-loli character.

>>13739514
That's in the norm for LN stuff though.

>>13739553
I don't think that's the case. Vol 6 only came out after the anime aired, around the period when they started adapting anime content into being in line with the upcoming VN (Yui and Kyouko's stories)
and Vol 6 concluded the original Tech Gian run of the series (they probably never intended to write direct-to-LN to continue before the anime and VN came out.

TE's chronology of development is a right mess, really. Half of it is obvious (eg. firing Sou) but the other half, I wonder what though processes they had when planning the marketing of that series out.

>>13739587
TE had the bad timing of going through production on all fronts (anime, LNs, manga, and VN) when age was on the cusp of financial break down. But its still overall a fun story.

>>13739545
Being raped help to grow bigger boobs

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>>13739545
She's evolving into an oppai-psuedololi to stay competitive.

>>13739625
>13 years old
>loli

>>13739673
>psuedololi

>>13739593
It could have been more.

Oh well. They completed it, at least.

>>13739678
>13 years old
>that body type
>"psuedololi"

>>13739673
>>13739699
Newfaggot who's never read LO detected.

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how come there's no f-111 tsf?

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pls

I can't wait for the BiS plug at the end.

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>>13739887

How many of you think Beatrix was forced into the stasi?

Like it wasn't even Iris selling out Jurg that got her kicked into the stasi, but something else. She's still the cute, lovestruck girl she was at age 13 as she was at age 15-16, but by the time she was 18, she was a crazy stasi lady as seen in Requiem's Gretel centered side story. We also know that she was a big part of the purges that killed Katia's dad and Jurgen in 1978. What would explain this complete reversal from a perfect waifu into one the most evil people in the whole franchise in just two to three short years? Bad writing? Possibly, it is Hiroki, but what are the chances that some shit goes down for her family, they get purged (which would explain why Beato is the only representative seen in SM of such a politically powerful family), she ends up in the stasi, get's a healthy heaping of Axemann's special sauce like Lise, and comes out the complete psycho we all love to hate?

In the end, she's forced to kill Jurgen after Iris rats him out to save herself (for maximum suffering). Because of this, both Iris and Beato end up blaming each other for Jurg's death and vendettaing each other.

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>>13739890
As much as I defend Beatrix being not as vile as many pretend, I honestly think she signed on her own.

Even at 18, I think she already had her mind set on the " East Germany need to be ruled with an iron fist if they want to survive the BETA " thing, thus enlisting on the side she thought would be the main European power against the BETA and achieving Humanity survival. Eventually, as the Stasi changed for the worst with Schmidt, she never changed her opinions but instead wanted to be the one in charge and achieve herself what she was fighting for ( ie Humanity survival through iron discipline ).

If anything should have get her in the Stasi ranks, it would probably be her family loyalty to the soviets, and by extension, their DDR watchdog. Even if they were not really their biggest supporters, they are part of the Nomenklatura, and they owe the Soviets the wealth of their family.

However, she most probably enlisted before the purge, so even if her family have been purged they were doing well at the time she signed ( And I don't think they were part of the purge at all ), and it's heavily implied she never went into Axmann " training ". IIRC it's even explicitely said that she became a powerful element of the Stasi because of both her personal achievements and her family honor, thus granting her some kind of privilege treatment, like being able to talk back to her superiors even when she was not a high ranked officer.

>>13738345
>No, but it did make them easier to capture.
So an "enzyme affecting the decline of metabolism" is what they use to keep the BETA in suspended animation?
Wouldn't that be "an enzyme causing the decline of metabolism" or "an enzyme effecting the decline of metabolism" instead?

>>13739950

It is, but it's minor. It's an enzyme that controls BETA metabolism. If they can + it they can - it. Still, you're more right on that account.

That aside, though the original direct meaning of 代謝低下酵素の発見など人類への貢献は決して低いものではない is "the contribution to humanity for the discovery of a metabolism decline enzyme was by no means small", 代謝 can also mean regeneration, but since only Destroyers are specifically stated to regenerate, I opted to take "metabolism" instead. The original statement made no mention of where they got the enzyme from; one would assume it's the BETA given that the entire paragraph talks about Alt. II's failure to provide study results of their corpses, but IW is full of things like that. It would be nice if they put that in concrete words for once.

Though, as much as I'm used to having the piss taken out of posts on 4chan, immortality is a bit too much. Isn't suspended animation the more appropriate assumption?

hypothetically speaking, what would happen in a post BETA world? talking about if the BETA is no longer an issue after Alternative, let's say they just up and left, I'm curious about the politics that comes after.

>>13740121
Amurica will probably try to get strategic lands everywhere on the world to ensure a global domination in the new world. They have by far the most important army as of 2001, so basically if they ask any country to give them lands, they would have no choice but to accept.

I don't think they would try to get Japanese lands, as Japan is the second army and they will technically always have a defense pact running.

The Soviets will probably just accept because they will have enough hard time to rebuild on their Motherland, like any other country. Or they can refuse and let the guns speak, but even if they have the technology, they are in a way worse shape than the US, so they will probably lose. It would just be a suicide act, so they might as well give them what they want without a fight.

Though considering that all of the previously BETA occupied lands are dead lands where basically life can't grow again for at least decades, I wonder if they would want more territory. I mean, of course they would, that's the US, but they will probably not go on a rampage and claim every land on Earth their own and create a unique US Worldwide nation.

>>13740121
Murrica is depending on their casualty rates in the war and refugee intake somewhere between 20-33% of world population while also making up the majority of industrial capacity and agriculture. And it's already known they've bought out the Latin American and African countries.

>>13740121

The Chinese/Taiwanese/SEAeans/Indians are here-or-theres that might swing the other way depending on how the USA proceeds.

While they do depend on US aid, they've also been taking steps to isolate their logistics away from the superpowers; in TE the Indians/SEAeans are collaborating on developing a local-modified F-18 variant. Both have also been getting aid from Japan before the 1998 invasion set the Empire back. After Bhopal, a lot of the southward Asian nations became very cautious of the UN and, to a lesser extent, the US, after seeing Indian forces forced into participation as part of the diversionary units for Soviet forces to penetrate the Hive.

The Chinese/Taiwanese were at first initially distrustful of each other, and only agreed to strengthen their collaborative efforts after hearing about the success of the US' G-bomb development. This is probably one of the reasons why Yifei gets to represent the UFC on a mainly Chinese TSF. Taiwan remains a US ally, however, and while the Chinese won't take kindly to US political interference, I don't think they're mad enough to try something unless the US forces move first, like, say, a treaty that places Taiwan firmly on the Western side and representing the Chinese, in order to try and "legally" obtain G-elements from mainland China by abusing the UN's distribution system.

I don't think open battle is a possibility but these factions would probably move to block the US from attempting long-term military occupation as allies on their territories. Double for the Indians/SEAeans who only have one Hive each within their territories.

The Israelis will probably remain US allies on the surface but traders to all and friends to none, just like in the real world. They have a penchant for US gear, but the Lavi was jointly developed between them and the Chinese and I can't imagine they're any happy about the US supplying the Arab nations and Iran with F-14/F-15 TSFs.

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>>13740192

As a Taiwanese, I'm left wondering: since Imperial Japan survives the Second World War (apparently), what does that mean Taiwan as one of its earliest colonies (annexed in 1895)? Is it returned to the Republic of China to become its sanctuary after the Chinese Civil War? Is this actually elaborated upon?

Might be redundant anyway. After all, East Germany still exists despite a slightly different outcome to World War II. Taiwan presumably becomes the right-wing capitalist dictatorship shit-hole it was historically when fortune turns against Nanking Government around '47, but is spared the Cultural Revolution at least (is that a thing in Muvluv?). I assume the White Terror still happened in the same time frame.

Whatever the case, I'm assuming circumstances lead it to be in the US rather than PRC camp by 40 years out, if not well earlier.

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Just ordered myself all of the Schwarzesmarken modelkits. This is going to be a good winter.

>>13740221
Majority of Japanese Imperial gains were returned to their regional owners, actually, and the PRC/Taiwan split still happens as per normal. The White Terror lasted for quite long so it should have began, at least. Whether it stopped in its historical date (unlikely, since it would have been well into the BETA War) or earlier (although whether from the announcement of aliens on Mars in the 1960s or only when Earth was invaded in the 1970s, I can't say) is up for guesses.

The current UFC is also known amongst the region's citizens as the Third United Front, after the first and second Front movements prior to WWI and during WWII. They presumably side with the US because of anti-PRC sentiments prior to the BETA War and are regarded as a supporter of the USA in the East and South Asian regions; however, some time in the late 1980s/early 1990s the PRC government and them sign a land-share agreement, and the PRC end up headquartering themselves and their military on Taiwan. Initially both sides conducted separate anti-BETA culling raids and had strict orders not to intermingle (officially announced as prevention of confusion due to their difference in doctrine and equipment, but hinted to be the PRC afraid of the as-of-now stronger Taiwanese government and military from absorbing the weakened PRC), but when the US announced the completion of testing of their first G-bombs, both nations deigned to sign a cooperation deal that would see a lot more data-sharing and integrated operations.

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>>13739931
So she would've been the type to willingly sign up to kill Jurgen and Iris herself (someone she's been dating / been bff with for two years by the time volume II of BiS wraps up), turning into the cunt who decided to taunt/sexually harass Gretel and purge high/middle schoolers with a smile, or the type who seems more likely to torture cute animals than cook as a pastime in just two years without outside intervention? Beatrix by the time she was 18 was a radically different person than at 15/16. Adult Beatrix is the second most evil, sadistic, and petty person in all of Muv Luv's canon (Axemann just barely hedges her out). If she really did choose the Stasi life on her own, and what we see of her is all from the heart, than she pretty much forfeits all sympathy points the audience has. She'd be the cause of all of Iris's suffering, the reason for Jurg's death, and one of the major reason why things are so shitty in SM. Really, it'd actually make her worse than Axemann in many respects. People don't look kindly upon those who gleefully turn against their loved ones.

Of course, not discounting that you could be right either. She could have been evil all along, but it is so much less satisfying.

>>13733495
there must at least a german anon lurking here right?
what does he makes up of all of this?

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Heads up to the one who made the Schwarzesmarken-VA chart-anon:

Inghild's VA is Kaori Fukuhara, pic related.
Tsukasa in Lucky Star, and another WUG cast member.

>>13740464
Great boobs, but her eyes really need to be redrawn.

>>13740464
I'm not saying she was evil all along.

She enlisted before the purge, so when it happened ( And it happened as a Surprise Motherfucker thing, in a matter of few days the order was passed and executed ), she was already a Stasi soldier, and a loyal one.

She have nothing to do with Jurgen death as far as we know. For now, all we are hinted is that Iris sold out Jurgen for not being loyal to the party ( And did so for unknown reasons yet ), thus including him into the purge he wasn't a part of initially. We don't know who killed him, nor we know how he died.

My guess ( But that's only mine as far as BiS goes ) is that when the purge order was passed, Beatrix was faithful that all the targets were either traitors or highly dissidents ( Which is how the real soviet purge was done. Even if it also targeted loyal people the government wanted dead, the reason put forward was that they were traitors or they tried to attempt rebellion and that kind of thing ). So getting them into execution was not a big deal for her. But then, Iris sell out Jurgen, and here her power is totally useless : If she, or her family, opposes his execution, they will be seen as traitors too and executed. Especially when the Stasi have " proofs " emanating from the sister of the suspect, who could think it's not true and that his sister would want him dead ? After those events, it's easy to see why she wants Iris dead at all costs ( The culprit here is not the Soviets who ordered the purge, it's only by Iris fault that Jurgen got killed ). I can also see that maybe, knowing that she was dating Jurgen, the Stasi command wanted her to execute him to prove that she is loyal to the actual power. Which, if it happened like that, would skyrocket Beatrix anger against Iris to 10000%.

But all this is pure speculation, we won't know before the end of BiS anyway ( Or even another spin-off if âge want to play the bastards )

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>>13739114
Every time I see Katia, I can't help but be reminded of Poplar from Working!

ゾンビ映画で西側から東側に行くのは食い物が無くなったからが多い、本の内容がバカなのは資料が古いか書いた奴がバカかどっちか

>>13740592
Here's the second part of Jurg's recording (after Iris interrupts him):

暂时停止录音。今天好久没两个人一起在家了。与最高品质的金发美少女一起喝下午很让人羡慕吧?顺便还有亲手做的蛋糕。给我一大笔钱也不会把她让给你。这是只有身为哥哥的我拥有的特权。
——大概,我会更珍惜这样的时间吧。
她会变成好女人。给周围的人幸福,真是个好孩子。就算我不在人世,我还是希望她能正直地生活下去。只希望不是像我一样的生活方式就好。
话说在前,你要是敢对她出手,哥就灭了你。一起玩的时候如果伸手,哥会剥掉你全身的皮——哎呀,哥已经死了呢。
想追她就追,我不介意。她有看人的眼光。是绝不会轻易堕落的姑娘。肯定会选个好男人的。
好男人么——
结果,我也不是特别清楚。该做什么,作为人是否立得住,有没有男子汉的样子——。说不定我已经作出偏离正道的背叛了。
……不提了。
抱怨个人的问题很简单,但对于听的人来说却只想走开。我也不想看着你痛苦。
还是只谈谈该说的吧。
那么,之后继续——
说起来,那一天好像是满月来着。
美丽的月亮真好看。都让人忘了,在四面八方BETA正在蔓延——

The final two lines make reference to a beautiful moon, one that almost makes you almost forget about all the death from the BETA. As we know, the Stratwitz purge was called the Moonlit Night and made the recording on that very night Beatrix and the rest of the stasi massacred everyone.

On the Night of Moonlight:

5年前(1978年頃)の”月光の夜”事件で カティアの父アルフレート・シュトラハヴィッツ中将が首謀者として アイリスの兄も仲間として粛正されたわけだが 1983年の7月の終業式のスピーチでグレーテルが アルフレート・シュトラハヴィッツ中将を国
民的英雄として言及している (つまり”月光の夜”事件より前ということになる) 東ドイツの環境汚染問題の一端を知る 夏休み明けの9月にシュタージのベアトリクス・ブレーメ少尉(当時)にガクブルな目に遭わされる

Another thing I want to add is that stasi indoctrination would explain why she barely refers to Jurgen in SM, and when she does, it's always as "Irisdina's traitorous brother" or "the traitor" rather than by name (mind you, this is what she's thinking to herself, not saying to others).

>>13740592
If she willingly enlisted, Jurgen and Iris wouldn't of wanted anything to do with her. I wonder if she would've been willing to make that trade along with her soul for some amorphous promise of power in the stasi.

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>>13740726
Katia reminds me more of this guy.

>>13741166
And your point is ?

I already know all of that. It doesn't interfere with what I was saying. Jurgen certainly died at the hands of the Stasi, but we don't know who killed him and how.

And I'm not buying the theory some people have with the fact that she only thinks about it as a traitor because of indoctrination. It could be literally anything making her to think that, yet alone a stylized writing. Especially when I'm pretty sure it's not even just implied but written that she passed through anything similar to an indoctrination treatment when signing and after, mainly because of her family name.

>>13741215
I understand Iris, but why Jurgen would cut bonds ? He was certainly not pleased about the Stasi, but remember it was before the purge and before Schmidt got to change their methods for barbarian ones. They were not that bad before that.

>>13740507
The control room is like 80% WUG too, which is just distracting coming off of Hackadoll.

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a/ says this is no more.

Is it true? Was a demo ever released? What happened?

>>13741257
Didn't they cancel it because they didn't think it was any good?

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>>13741240
Well, you can apparently read Japanese, so here's the page laying out how Jurgen feel about the Soviet Union. I doubt someone with that perspective would want to associate with state thugs.

Also, it seems like you're increasingly convincing me that Beatrix is the worst girl and worst than Axemann than any of the Irisposter did (the anime isn't helping things either).

Apparently, she really was a shtibag ready to explode. What's next, she was just acting like she was in love for three years just to get close to the Bernhards to stab them in the back. Quite a bit of fore-planning.

>>13741257
There is a new project of a better looking TSF Forefront.
It will die aswell sooner or later.

>>13741266
That was Gun Hazard.

>>13741281
>Beatrix is the worst girl
HERESY
just look at that smile!
>>13739890
>>13739189

>>13737546

Japan loves Germany more than they love themselves.

>>13741281
Associating himself with them is one thing, dating one of their members is another.

He is not pleased to see them parade and control the city, mainly because that's not how he see a free state should be. He is as idealistic as his sister, so of course he won't support an organization whose main goal is to watch over the citizens.

But who knows if they were even always together when Beatrix enlisted. Maybe they had different views and goals and just broke up, while probably being always in love at the time.

>Also, it seems like you're increasingly convincing me that Beatrix is the worst girl and worst than Axemann than any of the Irisposter did (the anime isn't helping things either).

Well, I'm sorry for that, but I think the exact contrary. To me if she was forced to enter the Stasi that would kind of break her character. She have convictions and believe in them, making her a strong and interesting one. Forcing her to do anything would just be fanservice at that level.

That's like if Iris isn't the one to sell out her brother. If I dislike the Irisfags, I like Iris character, but having her finally not selling out her brother would be a waste, really. To me, SM is really a story about strong and complex people, and how far they can go to stay true to their beliefs.

>What's next, she was just acting like she was in love for three years just to get close to the Bernhards to stab them in the back.

This too would kind of break the character and make her fall into the Full Evil basic villain case, but it's always possible. Maybe I just totally misread the entire LN and made Beatrix way better than she actually was without even noticing it ( Hint : I don't think I did, so it's a really little possibility here. But hey, as long as the series is not finished, they can literally crush any character with one line, so why not after all ).

ok so if berlin got nuked instead of hiroshima in mub rub universe why is berlin still the german capital?

>>13741398
Read Gretel's Requiem story, she's pretty much a sadistic sociopath and a completely different person than her BiS portrayal, and again, she was just 17-18 in that story. People usually don't change that drastically unless some shit has gone down.

>>13737363
Sagiri really has no standing to be compared with Theodor/Master, Sandek, or even Sakon. He's just a lunatic and zealot nationalist.

>>13741402
ok so if hiroshima got nuked in real life universe why is hiroshima still the prefecture captial?

>>13741410
>He's just a lunatic and zealot nationalist.

He's still pretty repugnant even if it's arguable he's evil.

>>13741409
I have to admit I lack Requiem, and I haven't read the TSFiA shorts about her either.

Will do that as soon as I can, but BiS will probably be finished by the time and we will have all our answers ( Hopefully ).

>>13741431
If you can stomach Chinese, here's there translation: http://www.wenku8.com/novel/1/1278/51400.htm

>>13741417
because they rebuilt it and weren't on the front lines of the cold war. the whole reason the berlin wall existed was because the city was split between american and soviet forces at the end of the war. if berlin had been nuked it wouldn't have been occupied by anyone so there would be no reason to partition it.

>>13741464
You do realize Hiroshima and Nagasaki were among the cities occupied by American soldiers after the war ended, right?

>>13741410
There's a lot more wrong about Sagiri than that. The guy is a hugely selfish hypocrite and his personal interactions with Ayamine are abhorrent. There's nothing redeeming about him as a person, the only positive thing to come from his existence was his plan failing so spectacularly something actually good came from it.

>>13741289

Sad to know that.

>>13741503
Swap around some the names and you've described Beatrix too.

>>13741607
Sadly the world would probably be a better place if Beato had won.

>>13741611
She'd pretty much had loss once the revolution kicked off. There was no putting that genie back in the lamp and even then, the outcome would've been the same because the DDR's strength had been sapped by the civil war.

A victory condition for Beato would've been nipping the rebellion in the bud and taking control of the stasi and East Germany.

>>13741502
do you realize that there was no soviet occupation in japan? why would we bother rebuilding half of a city in the middle of soviet territory that had lost all of its strategic and political value?

>>13741398
>To me, SM is really a story about strong and complex people, and how far they can go to stay true to their beliefs.

>What is Lise
>What is Theo
>What is Annette
>What is Sylwia

>>13741828

If anything, the people with the strongest convictions, the one's most unwilling to compromise, tend to be the worse (see Beatrix and Suzy)

>>13741828
Yes... And ?

Where did I not include the entire cast into the strong and complex people ?

>>13741843
No, I'm just saying that the majority of the cast is composed of broken, depressed people with weak convictions. I'd even include Beato and Iris on that list (ignoring the weak convictions part).

>>13741876
I wouldn't really describe Beatrix or Iris as having "strong convictions." Both of them are will probably turn out to be huge traitors by the end of BiS. Beatrix herself sold out her soul for the stasi and Iris turned in her brother and made deals with Axemann.

>>13741876
They have all pretty much strong convictions on their own right ( Like Lise doing horrible things just for Theo, Theo pretty much doing horrible things for Iris, Sylwia got reinforced from her past and doesn't want anyone to endure what she had to, Annette... Well I need to think more about her... )

Being broken don't necessarily means you don't have a strong conviction into something.

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Original loli donut steal

>>13737221
What did they censored?

>>13733495
yah, and we are all perfect and don't make any stupid mistakes during life and death situations.

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You know, as much flack as TE got, I think it has a stronger cast (TE's main problem was always pacing and plotting, not characters after all).

After watching the first episode, I haven't been able to connect to a single character in SM. Irisdina is a bland heroine, Katia is just been a dumb moe blob, PTSD-bitch was just laughably ridiculous, and Theo's an asshole.

The villains are ridiculously over the top evil. I know people can be fucked up, but I always liked how human the villains of previous MLs felt. Even guys like Sagiri seemed like they could be real people, and you could see where they were coming from. Beatrix and Axemann, in contrast, look like a very edgy, badly written take on evil, something that belongs more in a trashy shoenen than ML.

The pacing is crap too. If TE was too slow, than SM is way too fast. Certain that should have a lot of weight to them (like blondies death) illicit no response at all.

As a final shot at this thing, despite the absence of QUALITY, SM still manages to look bad just because it has such an ugly art style.

I don't know if I really want to watch the rest of this series now. I'll give it two more episodes before I decide if I want to drop.

>>13743406
I also like to make sweeping generalizations about characters after 30 seconds of screen time.

Inghild's death isn't really a big deal, it's pretty much just a tone setter.

>>13743425

You can get a lot out of a character based off of very little. Some of the most defining features of a character can be effectively shown in just a couple of minutes or less with effective directing and acting.

In this case, I know that Beatrix and Axemann enjoy killing people. That's huge. That automatically puts them in another category than previous ML villains.

I can assume that the people being execute were interrogated, and then once the stasi had no use for them, they were disposed of in a style very reminiscent of real world massacres.

I know Beatrix in particular was very eager to start killing. I know that she likes the feeling of blood splashed on her face from the way the scene is directed. I know that both characters make light of it afterwards.

I'm linking TVTropes, I hate the site but it does a better job of describing what I'm talking about.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/EstablishingCharacterMoment

>>13743472
I can assume you are a huge faggot.

Master was a massive shitcunt in the little screentime he actually had in TE, by the way. Because he is a massive shitcunt in general. Then again that kind of relates to Schwaken characters being unlikable

>That automatically puts them in another category than previous ML villains.
Fucking Sandek radio'd Latrova and warned her the Scarlet Twins were coming just to gloat.

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>>13743472
>implying having completely unsympathetic over the top sociopaths is a bad thing for a villain

Nah you're a faggot. I was getting a real Ouromov/Xenia vibe from Axmann and Beatrix. While Axmann might be doing shit for a greater purpose (he might actually believe what he's spouting about having to come together to fight the BETA), Beatrix is doing it because this is what she enjoys, what she lives for. You don't need more characterization beyond that. They're fun villains to hate; a sob story or a sympathetic motivation would ruin them.

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>>13743472
>wanting sympathetic, well written villains
>in Schwarzesmarken

I'm laughing so hard at you.

Beatrix is literally the type who bullied others on the playground and tortured small animals to death when she was younger before graduating to people. Axmann is almost as evil in his own way. There really isn't much to them. No traumatic past; they were always unlikable cunts, and the stasi and situation with the BETA is giving them an outlet for it.

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