ITT: we post good things in shit shows.

>>13704316
SEED was awesome though

>>13704331
Good joke, anon :^)

>>13704331
>SEED was awesome though
How? How it was "awesome" in any conceivable way, outside of the worldview a 7-year old who has watched Despicable Me 2 a dozen times and thinks Uncle Grandpa is funny? Because that's the only way you could find it "awesome".

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>>13704368
Holy shit, that pose looks more awkward than a funeral boner.

>>13704368
>I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH MY HANDS

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>>13704316
The Freedom and the fapbait girl.

I think all of Athruns suits look really good right down to the color selection.

>>13704422
I want to marry Lacus.

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Every single Eureka Seven opening and mecha design. And its entire sound track. And its art style. and its EDs.

Pretty much every thing about Eureka Seven that isn't its writing.

>>13704436
That reminds me of that one year when /m/ was populated by Lacus-fags who found her as perfect fap material myself included, and the year following when pink-haired girls were /m/'s fetish.

Good times when we were allowed to have spoilered /m/ porn threads.

>>13704455
When was this anon?

Vestige
ZAFT
Yzack

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>>13704364
Not him, but there was a lack of space rats

>>13704479
I'll never understand this forced meme. Why would edgey mcchildsoldierton want to purge himself?

>>13704457
I forget when exactly, but we had multiple Lacus appreciation threads which devolved into porn or near-porn threads over her and almost every comment being how much they'd want to hatefuck Lacus because they love her design but hate her character, and we also had unusual hair color threads, where /m/ of the time had a major hard-on for pink haired females, whether it was Utena, Aoi, Priscilla, Euphemia, Lacus, and post-op Meer.

>>13704316
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>>13704383
Christ people, let it go. It's been more than a decade.

Yeah Destiny was a disappointing mess, mostly because Shinn was a poorly written Kamille who got next to no development, and instead of Kira making a cameo and then fucking off for the rest of the show a la Amuro, he hijacks it and turns a bad series into a shit series.

But this meme needs to die. SEED itself was no where close to being as bad as Wing, AGE, or Train-reco. It revitalized a dying franchise, brought a whole new generation of people into the fandom, and was the closest thing to a modern retelling of the original MSG we will likely ever see in anime form.

This SEED hate is nothing more than a decade long circle jerk of butthurt manchildren who can't get over the fact that a cartoon about giant robots that aired over 10 years ago gets more mainstream attention than a cartoon about giant robots that aired over 30 years ago.

And before the trolls start chiming in, no, I don't think SEED is better than MSG. But it's no where close to being as bad to deserve all the hate it gets in this community.

>>13704496
It sounded like it was a fun time, I wished I could have joined in.

>>13704505
>Train-reco
i kek'd

But on a more serious note, Seed isn't that bad it's just that they understood how terrible Shinn was written so they basically let Kira jack the show. Though as far as the comparison goes Age (Arc 1&2),Wing,Seed>>Destiny>>>>>The entire fucking kio Arc.

To be fair Seed is the first gundam show i watched, though not my favorite it's definitely not the worst (since i became a UC fag quite quickly).

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>>13704505
Wow. You're fucking faggot.

>>13704522
fug i need to stop posting while intoxicated.

Seed isn't that bad, it's just that they understood that Shinn was such a clusterfuck in Destiny they let the jesus take the wheel and try and that basically made everybody hate both the shows.

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>>13704525
What a well thought out and articulate retort, jihad-kun.

>>13704505
>>13704522
But none of those shows are bad though.

Each have their own charms.

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Only reason I kept watching the stupid show.

>>13704324
I'd probably put the entire Neo-Zeon roster. They outdid themselves in ZZ, on that regard.

Bawoo a best.

>>13704485
I think it is more like a Wanted sign

>>13704554
>Rising
>shit

>Rising
>show

And Armstrong was a dumbass manchild, a mockery of stereotypical Americans.

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>>13704514
It was a fun time.

The mods only ever came in to deal with the Getter spammer and that one spammer trying to advertise his 4chan clone site via automated spamming. And stickying livewatch threads or the occasional streaming thread.

They left /m/-related porn threads alone as long as it was completely spoilered, to the point the toku fans could have entire threads dedicated to what JAVs or softcore porn some toku actresses did. We also had regular character appreciation (really, discussion then just image dumps) threads, moonreaders sharing a lot of information, and more general fun than /m/ has now.

The 00 Gundam years were the highlight, as that's when the mods actually stickied livewatch threads that went up in excess of 1000 posts at times before they were replaced by a second or even 3rd sticky for the day, along with all the other nice things /m/ had back then.

Anyway, the music and mecha of Nobunaga the Fool.

>>13704505
>SEED itself was no where close to being as bad as Wing, AGE, or Train-reco.
You had a point until le opinion insert for maximum replies.

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>>13704316
I guess using various mechanical shit from SEED is kind of cheating but this is the only good thing that came from them deciding to remaster it for whatever reason.

>>13704563
>Mods getting rid of spammers, but leaving porn threads.

What bros.

>>13704588
Very different times.

Even moot posted here a couple of times, if only to chose the spoiler images.

>>13704603
How interesting.

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>>13704505
>But this meme needs to die
Hardly a meme. GSD is atrociously bad, and not just for the reasons stated. Apart from terribly absent character development, absolutely juvenile and near-brain-dead presentation of character motivations, and all the terrible shit that happened behind the scenes between Morowosa and the rest of the production cast, we have terrible shit like:
- Reusing entire plot points from the previous show to such an extent that stock footage from Seed is used in GSD (including the strike turning into the impulse and one very blatant usage of the Freedom vs. Providence scene crammed into the final encounter between SF and Legend).
- Horrendously trashing of the entire point of having Naturals and Coordinators by 'telling', not 'showing' that they could live in harmony when the show goes out of its way to show the objective superiority of Coordinators in nearly every aspect of living, ending with the dissolution of the entire Natural's military force to force a peace.
- Kira has absolutely no personality as is a terrible self-insert. Even Jihad-kun had his lack of social awareness and withdrawal due to childhood antics.

The fact that SEED 'brought in a new generation into the fandom' is absolutely the worst thing that could have happened, because they're the same sort of casual fan that completely misunderstand the point of MSG behind the flashy explosions and go about Sieg Zeon-ing: that of a historical retelling of the Pacific Theater of WWII, of the dehumanization of war, regardless of the victor.

Also, Kira aims for Impulse's cockpit. It's a nice OPEN GET moment, but ruins his characterization. Well, it would, if anyone cared.

>>13704567
>Wing
Boyband the Gundam series, Gundams overdesigned leftovers from G, every other character is either suicidal or schizophrenic. Only saving grace is nostalgia goggles

>AGE
Barely sold any Gunpla, Video game tie-in idea tanked, bombed so hard that Bandai had to follow up with a show about people battling with plamo to make up for lost revenue

>G-Reco
Even Tomino said it was bad. Not a single 1/100 scale model, TRY did better for fuck sake. Think about that for a second.

Maybe your "le opinions" are shit.

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>>13704620
>Also, Kira aims for Impulse's cockpit. It's a nice OPEN GET moment, but ruins his characterization. Well, it would, if anyone cared.

What? Kira is a raging hypocrite that for all his talk about his ideals, he will drop them the second things get a little hard.

>>13704653
>Even Tomino said it was bad. Not a single 1/100 scale model, TRY did better for fuck sake. Think about that for a second.
Try had worse ratings, DVD/BD sales and doesn't have a 1/100 either anon.

>>13704620
Good sir, no where in my post did I even ATTEMPT to defend Destiny, only SEED itself. I'll not go near that can of worms with a 30 foot laser sword

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>>13704588
It's all true too.

I still have a few images from when the toku fans posted an entire softcore porn photo-op session for one of their toku actresses. Girl had some nicely trimmed pubes and enough natural breast you could actually imagine fondling. Couldn't tell you the name of the actress or the toku series though. Maybe it was from Genkiranger? SPD? Or whatever Kamen Rider series was popular around that time.

It was also the time when /m/ began to draw some porn for series that eluded Rule 34; including Dancouga Nova.

EVOL Girls.

>>13704653
>Not a single 1/100 scale model
Not interested in your spat, but do note that during this period of time Bandai was retooling for their 1/72 Star Wars line, which is why the number of new releases in the back half of 2015 were lowered. Also, as Derringer has gone out of the way to mention, most series don't get MG's right after they finish (typically they get them ~10 years after). 00 Movie was an exception. GBF wasn't because all their MGs used existing molds.

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>>13704660
I'm sorry, could you repeat that?

>>13704668
Lovely.

I do love a girl with nicely trimmed pubes.

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She's the only reason I bothered sitting through the first two seasons. The second got to be way too shit for my liking though, so fuck GX.

>>13704669
Didn't stop them from releasing a 1/100 Barbados while IBO is still airing, with at least three more on the way.

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>>13704663
You cannot consider Seed without GSD, since the latter badly exacerbated the flaws of the first. Even if you were to separate them, Seed is also terrible, simply because it dilutes the message of 0079.

I hate to use it, but Seed epitomizes the casualization of Gundam, which was always sort of there, but slowly eroding the message since G. On the one hand, yes, people seem to not actually care about public discourses on trade agreements or politics, but on the other hand, if all you have are shiny explosions, that seems a waste as well.

Just look at how people respond to G-Reco. Here you have (very thinly veiled) exposition about the dangers of a nation wanting to re-militarize in an attempt to regain the glory of the old days when they haven't had a major war in a long time, as well as commentary about the disillusionment of the youth towards a government and culture that they do not feel they can change.

And yet viewers are confused and/or bored by it? What does that say about the audience?

It should be noted that shortly after G-Reco aired the LDP passed legislation to allow the JDF to be deployed in a more aggressive manner that is otherwise prohibited by a strict reading of its constitution. In other words, the irony is that no one listened.

>>13704422
>fapbait girl.
Who, Lacus? There's nothing enticing about her in the slightest.

>>13704705
Doujinka improved her.

>>13704709
No, they didn't. She's still the same boring character.

>>13704705
All girls become fappable once they've been mindbroken and exist only to service your cock.

>>13704687
Indeed, but the 1/100 Barbados (as well as the High Metal) are not of the standard quality of MG. The distinction is important.

Also, the situation is a little more complicated than just "x-show gets x-releases therefore it's better": as Derringer has stated (again), very few companies re-release their entire 1,000+ kit stock over and over again like Bandai does. It's reaching a saturation point where they may not be able to make many more MGs if they want to keep on re-printing older kits. This is why a good deal of kits these days are Premium Bandai (so the company knows just how many of a kit they need to produce, and not any more).

In other words, saying that X-show has no kits in a particular scale isn't very telling, especially when the company never releases any official data on kit sales. The ONLY way we'd know if kits are not selling well (outside of insider info) is if a kit is announced (at a model show/conference) but then retracted later. This happens less recently, but of note was the 1/144 HG GNX-IV which was pulled (Because the 00 movie HG suits are quite a bit more expensive than their TV counterparts due to their size) as well as the MG Age-3N and Age-FX.

>>13704687
And that wasn't a MG, it was a no grade. And bandaid was really pushing stuff for it.

>>13704713
>All girls become fappable once they've been mindbroken and exist only to service your cock.
Fatalpulse pls.

>>13704712
Her character is irrelevant. That's the beauty of rape hentai.

>>13704699
There is nothing wrong with the underlying theme of g-reco. The problem was with how badly it was executed. Poor pacing, confusing dialogue, and shallow character motivation all served to undermine any potential message the show was trying to convey.

THOSE are the things that turned people off to g-reco, not its theme, its storytelling, which MUST be the foundation for any successful work of fiction.

>>13704732
Which, I might add, is why Iron Blooded Exposition is doing as well as it is. It may not have a new battle and backpack every new episode, but you at least get the world building and character development that has always been at the core of the gundam franchise.

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>>13704732
>The problem was with how badly it was executed
See, I strongly disagree with you there. Almost everything you listed I found to be perfectly fine. The pacing was fast, sure, but it meant things were always occurring.

The dialogue was fantastic. Characters spoke as if they were actual people, not just actors on a stage. For instance, Bellri retracted a statement about flying under the radar because he was both still ashamed of killing Aida's lover as well as his respect for her supposed military position. Aida's demeanor towards Bellri is complicated as well: she acts diplomatically towards him early on even though she incites and demeans him into taking riskier options because she can't stand the fact that he murdered her lover.

The character motivations are absolutely fine; they're understandable human emotions of conflicting jealousy and responsibility, not this cliched repertoire of Character A is protecting B because that's the "right thing to do". You don't have to monologue about the difficulty between conflicting emotions; G-Reco does a fantastic job of just showing the outcome.

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>>13704699
>You cannot consider Seed without GSD, since the latter badly exacerbated the flaws of the first. Even if you were to separate them, Seed is also terrible, simply because it dilutes the message of 0079.
I'm adding this to my screencap gallery. Another anon espoused your point a while ago with excellent eloquence.
>Just look at how people respond to G-Reco. Here you have (very thinly veiled) exposition about the dangers of a nation wanting to re-militarize in an attempt to regain the glory of the old days when they haven't had a major war in a long time, as well as commentary about the disillusionment of the youth towards a government and culture that they do not feel they can change.
>And yet viewers are confused and/or bored by it? What does that say about the audience?
>It should be noted that shortly after G-Reco aired the LDP passed legislation to allow the JDF to be deployed in a more aggressive manner that is otherwise prohibited by a strict reading of its constitution. In other words, the irony is that no one listened.

Didn't they? Abe had to pass his reforms using sneaky tactics. Public opposition to them is extremely high, to the point of resurrecting Japan's protest movement, dormant since the 1970s.
http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2015/08/29/national/politics-diplomacy/sealds-student-group-reinvigorates-japans-anti-war-protest-movement/

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>>13704771
Now THAT's what I call edgy!

>yourself
Ahem...

>You cannot consider Seed without GSD, since the latter badly exacerbated the flaws of the first.
>You cannot consider MSG without G-Reco, since the latter badly exacerbated the flaws of the first.

>>13704771
>I want more childish, pointless antics with colorful explosions
I believe buildbabbys.gif is appropriate here.

>>13704777
>thinking it makes any difference whether you address people individually or as a group when they are reading a post at different times on the internet
Retards shouldn't breed.

>>13704771
>people argument with wel thought, consistent writing explaning why they think the "GSD is bad" isn't a meme
>I better ignore all those arguments and tell them to kill themselves!

>>13704791
By this (absurd) logic of authorship you can't consider Gilgamesh without Twilight, since the latter badly exacerbated the flaws of the first.

And if you don't see the problem with that, I believe that says quite a bit about your education (or lack thereof).

>>13704791
That's not how it works, you little shit. Destiny is a direct sequel for SEED. The first's flaws are utterly visible in the second. Reconquista, meanwhile, kinda-sorta shares a setting, placed hundreds of years in the future. The only thing both share is the creator and franchise.

>>13704794
>I want more pretentious, self important screencapped nonsense written by people with no idea what they're talking about
The best part is that the one fucking moron's ORIGINAL MECHA DONUT STEAL is just an existing SEED design.

>>13704799
Nobody was talking about that but you fucking autistic shitposters.

>>13704805
I clearly could have used Z and ZZ and made the same point about what a fucking load of bullshit that is.

>>13704814
>Nobody was talking about that but you fucking autistic shitposters.
>exposing your arguments is now shitposting

Neo /m/, everyone

>>13704822
Spamming the same rhetoric over and over again in response to an unrelated post is shitposting, yes.

>>13704830
What? They're all talking about how Seed is just as bad as Destiny, which was brought earlier in the thread.

You just want to pass it as shitposting because you can't come up with a counterargument yourself.

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>>13704814
>I clearly could have used Z and ZZ and made the same point about what a fucking load of bullshit that is.
Indeed, if you believe that ZZ was significantly worse than Z (which you are certainly free to argue), that would be a conversation. But, then, your argument is that, despite how terrible GSD is, Seed is okay to... maybe decent?

And, had you actually bothered to read the rest of the prior posts, you would have discovered that many points, particularly regarding themes, are directed towards Fukuda's writing in both Seed and GSD.

Seed has extraordinarily weak and elementary-school-level writing and ideas. Instead of a thoughtful discussion about what people and governments may do if presented with the problem of designer genetics, Fukuda just throws it all away by elevating prejudice to the point where the only solution to the problem has no bearing on original question. If you think that's acceptable in any form of media, I find that quite deplorable.

>>13704843
I call it shitposting because it is devoid of content or intelligence and is about as possible to give an intelligent response to as "dog pee butt"

I am laughing my ass off at people trying to blame a 13 year old show with relatively little English exposure for all of the problem's of the Gundam fanbase because they don't have any real arguments though. If you think G-Reco shitposters are all SEED fans you are living in the greatest world of delusion I have ever seen.

>>13704719
>>13704720
Semantics.

Still not seeing a 1/100 NG G-Self

>>13704868
>I am laughing my ass off at people trying to blame a 13 year old show with relatively little English exposure
Broadcasted on Cartoon Network? Hugely popular in the online communities of its day (eg. LiveJournal)? It had quite a lot of exposure.

>for all of the problem's of the Gundam fanbase
But nobody is doing that, dumbass.


>If you think G-Reco shitposters are all SEED fans you are living in the greatest world of delusion I have ever seen.
I'll give you this one, though.

>>13704455
>pink-haired girls
This is my fetish and I missed it. Fuck.

>>13704868
>because they don't have any real arguments though
Good job ignoring all the writing in the thread as not being "real arguments" or lacking in intelligence. It would help your argument tremendously if you actually participated in the conversation rather than just spew off ad hominems.

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>>13704505
>This SEED hate is nothing more than a decade long circle jerk of butthurt manchildren who can't get over the fact that a cartoon about giant robots that aired over 10 years ago gets more mainstream attention than a cartoon about giant robots that aired over 30 years ago.
What? This is absolutely false. Unicorn, The Origin (manga and anime) and now Thunderbolt prove you're wrong. The old series get a lot more mainstream attention than SEED.

>SEED itself was no where close to being as bad as Wing, AGE, or Train-reco.
I'll give you AGE. Reconquista was already explained why it is better than SEED. Wing has better mechanical designs, better character designs and foes with more elaborated intentions than anything SEED did.

>It revitalized a dying franchise
And made Bandai utterly dependent on it, milking the "Gundam" name into the ground, in a similar manner Disney is doing with the Marvel movies.

>brought a whole new generation of people into the fandom
Fujoshi and kiddies who are interested in soap-opera style drama and style over substance. I'd rather have interesting, memorable anime than "astounding" animation. In a way, that's one of the shortcomings of Thunderbolt, especially in regards to Io as a character.

>and was the closest thing to a modern retelling of the original MSG we will likely ever see in anime form.
The Origin did an excellent job in manga form. "Modern retellings" can hit or miss their mark. Battlestar Galactica worked because the story was great (at least initially) and made the original look like the stupid Star Wars knockoff it always was.

>But it's no where close to being as bad to deserve all the hate it gets in this community.
It is, though. SEED itself (the only one I argue about, not Destiny) is all the awful it's been said that is.

>>13704889
>Broadcasted on Cartoon Network?
In a death time slot that gave it limited regional popularity and made it perhaps the least watched Gundam TV series broadcast in the US after MSG (it did well in Canada where it didn't have disco laser guns, mind you). It's pretty obvious that Wing and 00 dominate the English fanbase and even Unicorn and Build Fighters have a bigger impact on things at this point. The cancerous CE hatejerking wouldn't have gotten to this point if there was actually any counter to it.

>>13704902
>It would help your argument tremendously if you actually participated in the conversation rather than just spew off ad hominems.
It would make no difference at all.

>>13704919
>It would make no difference at all.
But then how are you to convince me to "kill myself" for my views if not by your astounding logic?

Please anon, you can hardly take someone's views seriously if they can't even defend it with something more than, "waah, I'm right, you are wrong."

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>>13704919
>The cancerous CE hatejerking wouldn't have gotten to this point if there was actually any counter to it.
This is called "golden mean fallacy". Could the hostile attitude towards be because the majority of people actually dislike SEED, and not because there isn't a "counter" to it? The Star Wars prequels were absurdly popular. That didn't stop a huge majority hating them (especially Episode II), and with good reason.

>>13704952
It's kind of amazing how hard you missed the point for the sake of posting something pretentious to wank yourself off.

>>13704620

Still waiting for the source that kira actually says he will NEVER kill again. He just avoids it when possible.

>>13704908

>What? This is absolutely false. Unicorn, The Origin (manga and anime) and now Thunderbolt prove you're wrong. The old series get a lot more mainstream attention than SEED.

Those are not old series, they are new series built upon an existing setting from those old series. They are new, and therefore, getting attention.

>I'll give you AGE. Reconquista was already explained why it is better than SEED. Wing has better mechanical designs, better character designs and foes with more elaborated intentions than anything SEED did.

Yeah, Zechs joining White Fang and going full Zeon with Libra was about as elaborate as anyone else's development in that series i guess. G-reco beats SEED because the G-self gets more backpacks than the Strike i guess?


>And made Bandai utterly dependent on it, milking the "Gundam" name into the ground, in a similar manner Disney is doing with the Marvel movies.

Which are selling more comic books and figures than ever before. And before you talk about milking things into the ground, consider the number of RX-78-2, Zaku, and Unicorn variants Bandai has pumped out in the last 20 years.

>Fujoshi and kiddies who are interested in soap-opera style drama and style over substance

This began with Wing, not SEED mate.

>The Origin did an excellent job in manga form.

Yep, in MANGA form.

>It is, though. SEED itself (the only one I argue about, not Destiny) is all the awful it's been said that is.

Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one and all of them stink

>>13704967
All right, then. What was your point, if you'd be so kind?

>>13704919
>In a death time slot that gave it limited regional popularity and made it perhaps the least watched Gundam TV series broadcast in the US

It only got the 1:30 am timeslot halfway through, before that it was on at 10:30pm which is reasonable. It aired at 9:30pm in Canada and was successful enough to air Destiny.

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>>13704952

Does it really matter why people hate seed? Some people do like seed, yet the people who hate it still haven't gotten over the fact it exists. Every gundam has flaws but your average seed thread looks like seed is currently airing.

It's not normal to hate something for that long. Usually people get over it and don't waste their time hating. Personally I think trolls target these threads. They could be replying to people who are actually mad about seed or they could be replying to each other as they take opposing sides. Sooner or later people who like seed will reminisce about it. Some people will watch seed and actually like it.

Ultimately, bad threads are the fault of users. If you want to have a good thread, nothing forces you to reply to trolls. You can talk among yourselves and filter shit. And yes, I do happen to like seed.

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>>13705093
I didn't think I could get any more erect after fapping to various CC images.

>>13705062
>Every gundam has flaws but your average seed thread looks like seed is currently airing.
That's hardly true now. G-reco threads on the other hand.

>>13704699
>You cannot consider Seed without GSD
Maybe YOU can't. Not everyone is so obsessed with hating it. SEED was pretty good, Destiny was pretty disappointing.
>political tirade about G-Reco
Completely irrelevant to the topic at hand.

>>13704505
>But this meme needs to die. SEED itself was no where close to being as bad as Wing, AGE, or Train-reco.
Oh, now you fucking don't.
You're not getting off with trying to convince me that SEED is great by throwing G-Reco under the fucking bus.

I liked SEED, but fuck off with this dogshit. G-Reco had more fucking life and animation in 12 episodes in it than SEED had in it's fucking 50 episodes.

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Post cool SEED shit.

>>13704763
Not to mention we have moment of Bellri being into Aida, and then after he finds out that they're directly related, he starts acting more ansty when it comes to dealing with her.

>>13704505
SEED wasn't that great to be honest. Is AGE really that bad?

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Her in a pink pilot suit piloting Infinite Justice.

Practically the only reason I had interest in GSD, and this was when I was a kid about 10 years old.

There's no way you're going to be able to look at SEED the same way after watching Destiny. You're not going to get the same warm, fuzzy feeling over Kira's character "development" because in Destiny he was a self-righteous douche without any change in character or further development between shows. You're not going to let yourself feel Mu's sacrifice because you know, because of Destiny, that he survives without any explanation. Athrun's character development? Doesn't stick and is rendered pointless in the greater scope of things.

And that's all combined with how weak and childish the writing is. A show that wants to push violence porn to show how war is bad while turning it's MC into a hero of justice. "Oh, I'm killing other peoples' loved ones? I never realized this before and it's going to make me question why I've been fighting in the first place." "War is bad, but watch our hero pull cool, Braves-esque poses."

SEED isn't anything special. Overall, it wasn't bad but it sure as hell wasn't some masterpiece. And Destiny does nothing but undermine it.

You have to also remember, when it first came out there were positive reviews for Twilight. It was only when the sequels and movies, with their shitty writing, came out that the first lost that prestige.

>>13705430
AGE is abominable besides occasional sakuga. It's like a Gundam fan fiction written by someone that once watched MSG, Zeta, ZZ, and SEED casually decades ago and only remembers them as vague pastiches combined with super robot cliches and who did literally zero research.

>>13705430
First AGE: Over the top melodrama. Unintentionally hilarious in that regard.

Second AGE: Surprisingly decent.

Haven't gotten to Kio yet, so I'm prepping for the worse. If it's like the first AGE, where I'm laughing at it a lot, I may be able to pull through.

>>13705472
Some people over the age of 18 actually watched them as separate series and not one as the leadin to ebin memes you know. It's a lot different when you lived with that series for 2 years before Destiny even started (which is months before things get somewhat rocky) than when you glanced through the thing in 2 days so you could make your very own GSD bitching thread like your heroes on 4chan.

>>13705435
HIGH TEST

>>13705472
SEED fan here and I agree with basically everything you said. It was neither the worst nor the best Gundam to ever be released. But it was fun at the time.

I compare it to the Matrix. It's best taken as a whole unto itself, and it WORKS that way. We knew Neo was the One, we knew he was going to end the war. We didn't need the convoluted fanfiction that followed it.

Mind you when SEED was current we were still in the hardcore AU/UC shitflinging wars and Wing fans didn't like it for being like 0079 instead of a chuuni steamroller fantasy either, but that's a very different climate of shitposting than these days.

When I say UC I mean more 08th fags with their misdirected idea of what UC is by the way.

>>13704972
>Yeah, Zechs joining White Fang and going full Zeon with Libra was about as elaborate as anyone else's development in that series i guess.

Zechs actually had his motives explained and wasn't just trying to genocide the planet like everybody in the Cosmic Era.

>This began with Wing, not SEED mate.

That was always in Gundam

>>13705493
>Surprisingly decent

Until you realize it's fucking pointless, at least.

Seriously, I had fun with Gen 2 like everyone else, but looking back on it I'd say it's the one that should have been cut out entirely. It adds nothing, it goes nowhere, it is literally less important to the overall story than Fardain unless you count "Zeheart is a person who exists" as a contribution. It's not like they follow up on his rivalry with Asem in any significant way except for the ten-second fight at the end. They don't do anything with the brain damage helmet. We never see most of the characters in it ever again. Decil dies, Wolf dies, Zeheart comes in, all things that could have been done as part of Gen 3 with almost no changes. Kio is the more insufferable protagonist, but Asem's story is the worst story.

Eureka 7 AO was a pile of shit, but I convinced myself it was good while I was watching it because of the opening theme and because the Mark I Nirvash looked cool as shit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeegEiFWCmM
Seriously, AO fucking sucks, like hilariously so.

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>>13705551
(forgot pic)

>>13705493
The problem most of /m/ has with Kio is that the show spent way more time showing the front-line-combat vagans doing horrible things and spends very little time showing home-town-civilian Vagans being normal people so it undermines his decision to save everyone on both sides instead of just saving everyone on earth from everyone on Second Moon. If you believe in the fundamental goodness of the average person, Kio isn't so bad. If the show has convinced you that the Vagan are a race of "evil people" then what little you see in the third era probably won't get through to you and will make the ending seem shallow.

Either way, the final boss comes totally out of nowhere and has no impact at all, because the show was written by video game planners who have no problem just saying "a dozen enemies appear" without explaining how they got there.

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>>13705551
>like Ayaka Oohashi
>forced to forget what would possibly be my favourite performance of hers because it's in that shitshow
>would probably love Ayaka Oohashi if I could actually remember it

>>13705579
Even with that, the ending's pretty shallow because what Ezelcant eventually reveals to be his actual motivation is exactly the opposite of what he's doing. A major setting premise is that the AG setting has been at peace for so long that most technology related to weapons and mobile suits was abandoned and has to be developed from scratch. The worst we see as far as people fighting is Fardain, which is mostly just a couple of punks playing grabass in a colony that's so in control of it that they have walls they put up on demand to make sure nobody gets hurt. Get a few more teams, place bets, and you could turn it into a shitty version of the Gundam Fight.

Ezelcant takes that peaceful society that's been without war for a century and subjects it to sixty years of warfare so that...he can create a peaceful society without war. And Kio agrees with him. And Kio promises to fulfill his dream. And we the audience are supposed to see this as a good thing.

I'm no fan of genocide. I regularly argue in favor of 00's finale. But there was a lot more AGE needed to do than show more Vegan civilians in order to make Kio work as a character.

>>13705509
I watched them within a couple of days of each other and I think the hate is absurd. Really and truly I think /m/'s vitriol toward it actually helped me like it, because /m/'s depiction of Seed and Destiny is so over-the-top that no show could possibly live down to that reputation. I left them for last because of what /m/ had told me and went into them thinking "this is going to SUUUUCK but it's the last thing left for me to watch" and was pleasantly surprised. The reused footage and recaps bugged me a bit, as I was marathoning the show instead of weekly watching, and the sudden eagerness of Orb to join the AF at the beginning of Destiny seemed unbelievably stupid but once I accepted the post-SEED setting being different than what I expected it wasn't a bad show. Shinn was an insufferable twat and it baffles me that there are people who actually wanted him to be the main character, but otherwise it's an okay story. Not as good as SEED, but not as bad as Wing or ....some others.

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>>13704752
>but you at least get the world building and character development

>>13704875
And you never will just how you'll never win this argument.

>>13705665
Yeah, either he is trolling or fucking retarded.

>>13705617
>and subjects it to sixty years of warfare so that...he can create a peaceful society without war. And Kio agrees with him. And Kio promises to fulfill his dream. And we the audience are supposed to see this as a good thing.
You seem to have missed the part where Kio repeatedly insists that the we can stop fighting RIGHT NOW and does not at any point agree to this plan of subjecting this society to a war. He agrees to Ezelcant's goal of creating a world without war, and there's nothing wrong with that.

Here's the thing: Ezelcant's plan isn't supposed to make sense. He's crazy. The whole idea of subjecting a peaceful civilization to war to improve humanity in order to find peace is plainly crazy. Nothing he does makes sense. Kio's behavior makes sense: "We don't need to go through all of that, we can just stop fighting RIGHT NOW." In the end he feels sorry for a delusional man who's lost his son. He doesn't agree with what Ezelcant is doing, he wishes Ezelcant's life didn't have to turn out like that and promises to make his dream of a world without war come true so that Ezelcant can be happy before he dies. Kio doesn't want to make anyone suffer, so he's not even thinking about revenge on Ezelcant for what he did. He's just trying to stop the war and help anyone be happy.

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You know throughout this entire thread not one person defending SEED has brought any reason why /m/ is wrong for hating it and continue to insist the hate is all because of Destiny even /m/ has always brought about SEED's flaws are separate from Destiny's and that all the latter did was improve some aspects and worsen everything else.

>>13705665
>>13705675
Thats cute.

My boy Mika is teaching himself to read AND totally macked on the princess.

That's more than most gundam MCs accomplish in an entire series.

Stay butthurt.

>>13704653
>Even Tomino said it was bad.
At this point you should have not taken the bait.

And where is /m/'s fixation that getting a MG is a hallmark of succesd and that you need to get one a year after you premiere? Or is this another case of "my uncle who works at Bandai says so?"

>>13705735
>he kissed a girl
>that makes him a complex character
ayyy

>>13705735
Are you IBOfags compensating for the fact that Mika feels like a secondary character in his own show?

>>13705728

Don't you understand? People who criticize SEED on /m/ are just repeating memes to make it sound worse than it is! So why should I offer a thought-out rebuttal when I can just accuse them of being a hivemind hating on something I like?

>>13705760
He really does. Every other character with a name has had more introspective than him.

>>13705728
In the future try reading threads before looking like a huge autist.

People are literally saying SEED is bad because of Destiny in this thread and trying to justify it that way, there's basically no real criticism unless you count copypasta older than the mental age of the poster.

>>13705760
>implying Orga isn't the main character
>implying that Mika isn't just the Gundam
[/spoiler]IBOfag here, I kinda like the show and think there's potential in a lot of the characters, but even I'll agree that they're moving at a snail's place and tread the same ground way too much. If I hear Kudelia bitch about how she's useless again, I'm going to deck a unicorn.[/spoiler]

>>13705728
>defending SEED
You act as though we're not allowed to like something unless we've submitted sufficient evidence to convince you that our opinion is valid. I do not recognize your authority on this matter.
The only thing I've argued against at all is the guy saying that you can't consider SEED without Destiny, which is silly since they're two different shows. The latter may be a sequel to the former, but I don't let Lawnmowerman 2, Robocop 3, or Terminator 4 interfere with my enjoyment of the originals.

>>13705775
>People are literally saying SEED is bad because of Destiny in this thread
Wrong. >>13704908
>SEED itself (the only one I argue about, not Destiny) is all the awful it's been said that is.
I've only watched bits and pieces of Destiny. I don't give two shits about it, since I had enough fucking grief with SEED.

>>13704653
>Gundams overdesigned leftovers from G

Are you really defending SEED while calling other series suits over designed?

>>13705823
At least Katoki improved and retconned the ugly-ass Gundams. Can't say the same about SEED.

This also applies to the grunts. Leo is a fantastic design. GINN and Z.A.K.U. look like they were designed by a toddler.

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>>13705820
>The only thing I've argued against at all is the guy saying that you can't consider SEED without Destiny
That's like saying we can't consider 0079 without Zeta or Zeta with the ZZ. Does the sequel's flaws make the predecessor worse? Fuck no, people love 0079 regardless of Zeta and people love Zeta regardless of ZZ, the problem with SEED is that it was already bad and Destiny just turned out for the worse despite a strong start. People who defend SEED don't seem to realize that.

>>13705822
Where are the legitimate criticisms in that post? "It's bad and I hate it" isn't anything.

>>13705856
>the problem with SEED is that it was already bad and Destiny just turned out for the worse despite a strong start.

>People who defend SEED don't seem to realize that.
Gee, I honestly do wonder why would that be...

>>13705857
Your point was that people were saying that
>People are literally saying SEED is bad because of Destiny in this thread and trying to justify it that way
whereas in the quoted post, I've shown that it isn't the case at all.

>Where are the legitimate criticisms in that post?
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>>13705888
I don't ackowledge 6 year old copypasta because I am not mentally retarded.

>>13705898
Your loss, then. I'm not bothering remaking the same argument all over again just because a bit of time has passed

>>13705903
So stop posting.

>>13705919
You first.

>>13705926
Nah I actually have new things to say since 2010 and a willingness to hear other opinions as long as they don't come from a thick headed jackass.

>>13705823
>>13705835
The GAT-X line doesn't need defending or redesigning. Buster did dakka better than Heavyarms(which is my favorite Wing gundam), Blitz did stealth ops better than Lookihasascythe, Aegis has a better MA mode than Wing or Zero, Duel had the best armor purge of any MS since Alex, and not a single god damn one of them have a stylized Dragon flamethrower arm ripped straight off Dragon Gundam.

Your move.

>>13704563
It was like second half of 07-08. I remember. 06-09 was really good in general. Right after the you had to have a mech in your picture if you posted one rule ended.

>>13706058
Buster doesn't have better weapons than Heavyarms and looks back heavy when the weapons are on the back. The weapons are incredibly unwieldy when docked together and it has no melee
Blitz can't use any of its weapons while invisible and the invisibility takes away its PSA making it vulnerable to attacks. Most of the weapons are docked on one arm in the shield making blocking with it incredibly stupid since if it breaks you lose your beam rifle, beam saber(which is in a retarded position) and the 3 lances. The only weapon not on that arm is the rocket anchor which is completely out of place on the suit.
Duel is cool
Aegis has a silly MA mode which doesn't even allow full flight and the weapon that can only be used in the MA mode drains the battery so fast it isn't even worth using so MA mode isn't worth shit. It also has a stupid ass claw gimmick that doesn't add anything since the only weapon it can use in MA mode is the Scylla which drains too much power. It's a very poorly designed suit.

>>13705856
>That's like saying we can't consider 0079 without Zeta or Zeta with the ZZ
>Does the sequel's flaws make the predecessor worse? Fuck no,
Make up your mind, anon.

>>13706092
>Buster doesn't have better weapons than Heavyarms
>a gatling gun vs. large caliber railgun and beam rifle, a shotgun, and a beam sniper rifle
Uh. The weapons are barely ever on its back so that hardly matters.

>Blitz can't use any of its weapons while invisible
Absolutely false.

>the only weapon it can use in MA mode is the Scylla
It can use all the beam sabers.

If we're critiquing functionality than the Wing Gundams are a joke, besides Heavyarms none of them have reliable ranged weapons.

>>13706146
How do those quotes conflict?

>>13706092
A long range artillery unit doesn't need any melee, ask Lockon, who conceded sabers on Dynames only after lengthy debate. I recall Heavyarms rarely doing fuck-all with that little knife. It has the shoulder missiles for when it needs to btfo an enemy at close range.

The Blitz has ACTUAL invisibility, not just sensor jamming. More than makes up for the inability to use weapons while stealthed and PSA doesn't make a lick of difference when the enemy cant see you. Also, its a hit-and-run design, hence the name Blitz. Its weapons are arrayed in such a way that they can all be deployed quickly. This is why they all deploy from the dominant side and the shield is only there to keep them from being disarmed before they can be deployed. I'll grant you the anchor.

The Wing could also only deploy its main cannon while in MA mode, so that point is moot. Especially on a unit only capable of firing 3 shots before needing to recharge, The Aegis IS capable of using its beam talons while in MA mode, as well as grappling an enemy suit to render it helpless while it uses the Scylla, which is more than enough to blast any single unit to hell and back at point blank. Not allowing for full flight in the atmosphere is also a moot point considering the only one of the entire line meant to be capable of that is the Aile Strike. Everything else in the series requires a base jabber or whatever SEEDs equivalent is.

Any and all of these issues are also made pointless by the fact that these MS were made to operate as a unit, with each making up for the other's weaknesses.

Dearka never needed to melee because Yzak always had his back, ect.

The Wing units were designed as solitary guerrilla suits, with Sandrock being the notable exception. Their traits do not complement each other.

>>13706152
>a gatling gun vs. large caliber railgun and beam rifle, a shotgun, and a beam sniper rifle
>A gattling gun, dozens of missiles, chest machine cannons and a combat knife while being more mobile vs a suit that has to dock its weapons into a large retarded cannon to make them powerful

>Uh. The weapons are barely ever on its back so that hardly matters.
They are when not in use

>Absolutely false.

Blitz can't use the beam rifle or saber while invisible and loses the PSA. It can use the darts which are shit and it can use the retarded anchor but why would you use the anchor ever? It doesn't even fit with the design of the suit.

>It can use all the beam sabers.

Which is dumb. In cruise mode it can only go forward meaning they are easy to dodge. In attack mode it moves slow as shit and moving the limbs will unbalance it. Aegis literally has an MA mode that doesn't let it fly. Just stop.

>If we're critiquing functionality than the Wing Gundams are a joke, besides Heavyarms none of them have reliable ranged weapons.

Wing Gundams weren't built for all out warfare. They were built for terrorist attacks and the only one without a ranged weapon is Deathscythe. Wing has the Buster Rifle, Heavyarms is nearly all long range, Sandrock has missiles, Shenlong has the flamethrower. This doesn't even get into the ver KA which give them more equipment.
>B-b-but Re: Seed gives the SEED suits more equipment!
Now their batteries drain even faster!

>>13706224
>flame thrower
>long ranger

>>13706205
>A long range artillery unit doesn't need any melee, ask Lockon, who conceded sabers on Dynames only after lengthy debate

Lockon was wrong. 00 showed us that many times. He needed sabers which is why they put them on the suit. He was cocky in thinking he didn't.
Heavysarms slicing up a ton of suits with the knife. In episode 3 and down in Antarctica. He used the knife to slice into Sandrock and used it to parry the beam scythe including the beam blade. The knife was great for what it was

>The Blitz has ACTUAL invisibility, not just sensor jamming. More than makes up for the inability to use weapons while stealthed and PSA doesn't make a lick of difference when the enemy cant see you.

It doesn't make up for shit. It loses all offense and all defense when cloaked. Deathscythe Hell can turn invisible and jam radars without losing anything. We already saw the damn invisibility of Blitz beat in early Seed by the Archangel.

>The Wing could also only deploy its main cannon while in MA mode, so that point is moot. Especially on a unit only capable of firing 3 shots before needing to recharge

Wing Gundam can actually fly unlike Aegis and the difference in power between the two weapons makes this unworthy of discussion. Wing Gundam runs out of ammo for the BR? It switches modes. Aegis runs out of energy from firing the chest cannon? It only has vulcans left and loses is defense too.

>the only one of the entire line meant to be capable of that is the Aile Strike

Aile Strike can't fly. It can only do boost jumps and fall with style.

>>13704316
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2wxpw7
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3g7okx

Objectively based, even if you hate the show. This may be one of those series where you're better off watching the OPs and EDs and just pretending that it was some weird concept thing where the actual anime doesn't exist.

>>13705551
>>13705555
>>13705591
Seriously. The show was on rocky ground from the word "go", but managed to fall flat on its face in almost every aspect. When it wasn't being a generic monster-of-the-week show (which would be fine, if it weren't so completely contrary to E7) it was busy making no sense and completely ruining everything the first series did retroactively.

It's like the Nadesico movie all over again in that regard.

>>13706269
Oh, right. Positive stuff.

Well, the mechanical design was good, and the character design was good to great. So I guess it had that going for it.

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>>13706224
>Blitz can't use the beam rifle or saber while invisible and loses the PSA

>>13704505
Nice. Haven't seen this one before, saved to my pasta document.

>>13706224
>Aegis literally has an MA mode that doesn't let it fly. Just stop.
It's a space type, why would it

>>13704316

Wait, are you referring to Mu or the Strike?

Because both are correct

>>13704699
>And yet viewers are confused and/or bored by it? What does that say about the audience?
1) That they're not Japanese
2) That the story was badly-plotted and paced (okay, not about the audience, but still)
3) That Tomino is the George Lucas of anime (also not about the audience, still relevant)

>>13704505
I think more than anything a lot of the people who won't admit the faults with SEED is that it's their Wing. For people who got into Gundam around when I did, Wing was their introduction to the franchise. For the most part we'd eventually branch out to other shows, realize and even get annoyed by its flaws, but eventually be drawn into defending it because it was our first, and what does that say about us if it was irredeemable shit?

For all of Wing's problems, for all its ambiguously gay pretty boys and fujobaiting, for all its ridiculously OP Gundams and resulting lack of tension in battle scenes, I'm always inclined to remember it at least a bit fondly because if it weren't for that show, I possibly wouldn't have been a fan of Gundam or even anime in general. It's probably the same way with others for SEED.

>>13704620
>>13704699
>>13704764
>>13704908

All you guys are really doing is proving that /m/ will never stop autistically obsessing over a tv show. A tv show that ended a decade ago.

It's like the people who STILL give a shit about the prequels. They're just movies, movies that were in theatres long enough ago that some people on this board were little kids at the time. What is it about media that makes people care so much about something that happened so long ago it has zero effect on their lives anymore? Do you really have nothing else going on in your life that you still care?

>>13706296
>3) That Tomino is the George Lucas of anime
I suppose. In the regard that when he gets to do whatever he wants without anyone to say "No [Tomino], that's a fucking stupid idea" the results turn out to be very little fun for anyone who isn't on his particular lunatic wavelength. But whereas we've had an average of one Star Wars every 5-6 years or so, we get way, WAY more Gundam. So there's less of a sense that his later shows are running the franchise into the ground or anything so drastic.

>>13706267
>pretending that it was some weird concept thing where the actual anime doesn't exist.
This kind of sums up the entire thing actually, it's full of this kind of pixiv/fan community style of shit that looks cool as a one off but doesn't actually work for any kind of story or show.

Like straight up for the mechanical design they picked up some trendy fan artist whose stuff can't even walk properly without clipping like a madman. (I still don't know how Kotobukiya got any articulation out of Sleipnir)

>>13706308
Man why are you implying that you need to think it's impossible for any Gundam work to ever be worse than SEED besides Destiny to admit any fault with it? It's this fucking extremist dichotomy that makes any sort of discussion impossible.

>>13706275
I can admit I was wrong about that.

>>13706287
Because that is what MA modes usually do in Gundam? The Messala was built for space yet can fly in the atmosphere, the Zeta was built for space and can fly as well. It's just Seed that generally makes these stupid decisions. Especially since it was meant to be boarded on the Archangel which has atmosphere flight itself as well as being able to act as a boat.

>>13706329
It's more the case of that just being how people act here than an actual necessity for forming an opinion.

On /m/, things are either shit or flawless. And no matter how much I wish that wasn't how things were here now, they are and I can't change it.

>>13706324
What we're really proving is that we like to argue. Stop throwing around "autistic" whenever you can't be bothered to put in any effort to make an argument of your own.

>>13706308
I hear you. Wing was my first Gundam as well, and there was a time I would have defended it. It wasn't until later, having experienced more gundam, including SEED, that I went back and 're-watched it with a fellow gundam bro who watched 00, SEED, and most of UC that I saw, not only through his eyes but my own, just how bad it is compared to other continuities.

>>13706330
You should probably watch Zeta.

>>13706330
>The Messala was built for space yet can fly in the atmosphere
The Messala is never shown under gravity.

>the Zeta was built for space
Zeta was built for unassisted atmospheric re-entry, which is kind of hard to do without flying.

The only MAs shown flying in Zeta are Gaplant (which according to current backstory just sort of happens to, I guess), Asshimar (which is built specifically for it and is never used in space), the Psyco Gundam which uses the battleship system and could ostensibly fly in either mode, and the Zeta Gundam. Hambrabi, Baund Doc, Gabthley, and Methuss never operate under gravity and pretty specifically avoid participating in the second Earth arc. Similarly in ZZ only the ZZ and Bawoo components ever fly despite Axis having several transforming units.

>>13706344
>What we're really proving is that we like to argue.

About something that's fucking irrelevant these days.

I'm not just throwing around the word autism. I actually HAVE genuine autism, I know when I see it in other people. It's a fucking obsession anon, the inability to let go. Normal people would stop giving a shit about these things long ago because THEY NO LONGER MATTER. Outside of models, does Sunrise even really mention SEED these days?

>>13706355
Forgetting about the Byarlant?

>>13706366
That's just a flying robot, it doesn't transform.

>>13706361
Since the thread started out with a post about SEED and its a historically...let's say "controversial" topic, yeah. It is relevant here.

Also, it's a Gundam series. Gundam is one of if not the biggest mecha anime franchise. This is a mecha anime board. It's never going to stop being relevant here. Deal with it.

>>13706355
>The Messala is never shown under gravity.

Profile stats it can fly under gravity

>>13706369
Still capable of sustainable atmospheric flight under its own power. Which wasn't seen in another non-transformable MS until... F91 I guess? Maybe the Penelope if we want to get technical.

>>13704654

Not him but the real problem with that scene is that Kira makes a killshot and then goes back to his usual halfassing, even making sure to non fatally stab Shinn in their final clash that would have killed him if Cagalli didn't run out to save him.

That's not even Kira being a hypocrite. That's just a blatant writing or animation error.

>>13706383
Profile also says it was designed for flying in Jupiter's gravity.

>>13706379
The fuck it does.
>subhumans editing wiki rewrite a line from the MAHQ profile to say "fly" instead of operate because they can't speak English but want it to look like it's not copy pasted
>that must mean it's true

>>13706385
Xi and Penelope can both fly. Doesn't have anything to do with the claim that transforming is for flying though.

>>13706379

So that means it can be the Gundam equivalent of the Valvrave treatment for years, because board culture in that it's always been there? At least that show has the excuse of ending only slightly over 2 years ago. Yet one is seen as bringing the board down while the other doesn't.

My point is, when it comes to SEED, /m/ reminds me a little too much of Clawshrimpy.

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>>13706328
>But whereas we've had an average of one Star Wars every 5-6 years or so, we get way, WAY more Gundam. So there's less of a sense that his later shows are running the franchise into the ground or anything so drastic.
It's funny you say this, because it's pretty much word for word what I pointed out to all the anons who were losing their shit over TFA in /tv/ two weeks ago. You know, the ones who suddenly loved the prequels. I was saying, "The only difference between Gundam and Star Wars is that the latter's dev/release cycle is longer," and it really is true, and it's just kind of interesting to see in action. That said, I would like to have realized it back in 2010 when I spent way too much time (WAY too much time) defending Gundam 00 from all the naysayers. Now it's considered the best series of the last... we're getting on a decade and a half now? Well, shit, thanks a lot guys.

>>13706424
Well, since you're so hung up on relevance and such, let's ask this: what exactly do you hope to accomplish here? Shame us into not arguing about SEED anymore? Not gonna fucking happen.

So unless you're just trying to make yourself look superior to all of us (spoiler alert: you're on /m/ too. You're not.), I think you're better off just giving up.

>>13706442
>what exactly do you hope to accomplish here? Shame us into not arguing about SEED anymore?

I wouldn't be autistic if I didn't try and make other people conform to my unreasonable views.

But really, my point is that people ask why /m/ has gone to shit, and to me it's that people can't stop shitting on literally everything. There's no show these days that doesn't get shit on by someone here.

>>13706424
SEED fans shit on other series to try and get people to overlook SEEDs flaws When you have people say at least Seed isn't as bad as AGE, Wing or G-Reco you have a problem. Especially when opinions on Wing and G-Reco vary.

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>>13706460
I'd like to add I don't think AGE was terrible terrible. It was painfully mediocre and no better than a typical seasonal has-run, but it isn't memorably terrible.

I also like some of the AGE designs.

>>13706460
>SEED fans shit on other series

Literally every fan of every Gundam series does this with all of the ones they don't like. It's one of the major problems of this board, the "everything I don't like is shit" mentality.

>>13706460
>>13706329
>why are you implying that you need to think it's impossible for any Gundam work to ever be worse than SEED besides Destiny to admit any fault with it? It's this fucking extremist dichotomy that makes any sort of discussion impossible.

It's completely hypocritical for people to go to the depths they have to complain about SEED and find AGE acceptable though, nearly anything SEED fucked up it fucked up worse.

>>13706480
AGE has some fantastic designs It's one of the reasons I'm so mad at G-Gen Genesis. I have to wait for the next game after it to hopefully get the rest of the AGE stuff.

>>13706485
This seems more like a bunch of people new to the fandom who target G-Reco and Wing to fit in. Wing was hated by the older generation of fans while G-Reco is hated by casuals.

Gundam SEED is a shit show but with gewd memez

>>13706502
>This seems more like a bunch of people new to the fandom who target G-Reco and Wing to fit in. Wing was hated by the older generation of fans while G-Reco is hated by casuals.

Please, let's not make apologies. The fact is /m/ has just become the /v/ of mecha, past the point of no return.

And if I can't save it, I just want to watch it implode while everyone says things are fine

>>13706455
Fellow autist here. I see where you are coming from.

/m/'s problem is not that it's full of people like us, who will argue at length to defend our viewpoints no matter how flawed they might be.

/m/'s problem is the small group of trolls and shitposters, who realize that we are perfect targets for their torment, and make great effort to start shit like this, to get us bickering amongst ourselves while they get their giggles behind a computer monitor.

Which is honestly much, much more pathetic than what we are, because they are in full control of what they are doing, conscious of it, and get off on it.

>>13704620
> the show goes out of its way to show the objective superiority of Coordinators in nearly every aspect of living, ending with the dissolution of the entire Natural's military force to force a peace.

This is why I have such a huge problem with Seed. Look at Orb or the other neutral nations that advocates co-existence of Coordinators with Naturals, they're nations with the least amount of anti-Coordinator sentiments, despite having first-hand experience how outclassed the Naturals would be competing against the superhuman space people.

If this was realistic, the anti-Coordinator sentiments would have started in nations like Orb, where Naturals would notice the discrepancy of power and influence Coordinators have disproportional to their population in society. This is due to the fact that Coordinators are simply superior to most Naturals in every physical and mental category that matters to succeed in society, and they would be the ones leading all human fields of interest.

Even if the Coordinators only made up 1% of the population, that 1% would be the 1% that would be leading their nation, taking up the majority of the wealthy elite and influential careers. I was baffled when Orb seems to depict a situation where the majority of their political leaders are still composed of Naturals, despite Seed clearly demonstrating how superior Coordinators are compared to the average Natural.

Coordinators really are a threat to humanity's existence.

>>13704416

>I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH MY MASSIVE SWORDS

>>13706560
Isn't ORB also an aristocracy? Maybe it didn't matter if you were natural or coordinator as long as you were born in the right class.

>>13706560
Orb doesn't advocate co-existence because they have Coordinators, they have Coordinators because they advocate co-existence. The Coordinator nation in space didn't just suddenly pop out of thin air five minutes before SEED started man.

>>13706581
>Isn't ORB also an aristocracy? Maybe it didn't matter if you were natural or coordinator as long as you were born in the right class.
Orb also advocates cultural assimilation.

>>13706607

What's wrong with that? I mean as long as it doesn't lead to shit like pogroms.