Finally finished this after slacking off for over a year, and

>>13675255
Glad you enjoyed it OP.

>>13675255
This is how I felt about it aswell, OP. Glad you enjoyed it.

Enjoy this devolving into a 300 post shitflinging thread

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>>13675324
>Enjoy this devolving into a 300 post shitflinging thread
Not if we post best girl

>>13675255
My brother!!

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>>13675329

Why didn't you post a best girl then?

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>>13675329
But, that's exactly what sends it into a 300 post shit flinging contest.

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Also, while I'm here I guess I can post eyecatch WebMs as I make them.

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>>13675345
I did, here let me post her again

>>13675354
No, what sends a thread into a 300 post shit flinging contest is shitty b8, not best girl

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>>13675393

You keep posting one of the worst girls in the show though.

>>13675393
Were good until the mental asylum escapees get out. Just ignore the inevitible "found the retard" posts.

I don't see Greco as completely anti-war, more fight your own war and not those of the old

I also like how the dialogue is, though some moments being made more clear ultimately all the really important infomation is just said. Some characters could have done with better arcs but ultimately the sizes of the show doesn't allow that so most fitting the shows theme is good. I also like some characters keeping simple such as Kerbes, not everyone needs a grand back story and arc

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>>13675329
>>13675345
>>13675345

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>>13675412
No, you posted it.
I only posted best girl

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Snack time!

>>13675255
>and lacked closure
New generation have work to do! They must fix everything that Tomino showed was wrong in the anime.

>>13675457
I meant how it was so sudden that everybody would immediately stop fighting for no shown reason. All I saw was that Perfect G-Self was going to use the Photon Searcher to find and destroy the large concentrations of weapons on the battlefield, but then he was interrupted by Mask.

The post-fighting end I was fine with, it's just the way that the final battle just seemed to suddenly end even though no UNDERSTANDING weapon was used.

>>13675354
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVOZeT2W6Bo&index

>>13675474
It really needed 2 episodes, but ultimately it is a fine end and it gave us Klim spinning like a mad man

>>13675489
It should have showed the inside of the cockpit with Klim vomiting everywhere as he screamed SUUUU CORDOOOOOOOO

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>>13675474
>I meant how it was so sudden that everybody would immediately stop fighting for no shown reason.
Why do people keep saying this? Capital Army's leader was killed by Ringo and the Amerian flagship was shot down by Raraiya. In the first place Capital Army's forces was like one big ship and Ameria had a small fleet using outdated MS.

By the time Aida calls on them to cease fire the factions are already worn out.

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>>13675448

She was one of the most boring characters in the show. Even her eye-catch >>13675388 is probably the dullest, since she's the most restrained dancer. Compare her to Klim or Mask and so on, who are much more exuberant in their dancing.

>>13675474
The large concentrations of weapons Bellri found were the especially big photon battery signatures of the Venus Globe mobile suits. Mask was down, Muscle Girl was killed by Klim, Manny's MA was out of power, Raraiya shot down the Amerian flagship, and Kun was captured by Bellri. All the key players of the conflict were out of the action and everyone surviving surrendered without a leader to turn to.

>>13675501
Aida had the best arc though

We see her got from childish, trying to get dads attention and not thinking for herself to a strong politician with her own ideals forming her own plans to deal with them. She stops forcing herself into fights as she knows they aren't her strength. She even learns to forgive, trust and act sisterly to Bellri

>>13675255
what I love about G-reco is how all of the characters presented to us, had their own unique personality and quirkiness you really couldn't find a stereotypical character at all

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>>13675501
>She was one of the most boring characters in the show
Let me tell why that's bulls- oh wait, this anon did it first >>13675515

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>>13675515

She did have one of the better arcs. I agree with that statement only because she's one of the few to have any kind of real arc in the show though, not because I think her arc is well done or given any kind of weight or emphasis. She never stops fighting for a start, and sorties at just about every opportunity throughout the entire show. While she might talk to a handful of politicians she doesn't really do any political maneuvering or assume any real leadership role herself either since she regularly defers to others on the ship and even by the end is acting as just another pilot the majority of the time and not any kind of command personnel. Which is part of why I dislike her character. She had a possible arc of leaving behind fighting, which she isn't good at and doing something that she is a better position to have strengths at just based on her heritage if nothing else, and she really doesn't. She just goes "I want to talk to this guy to find out where batteries are coming from" and that's basically it. The show never challenges her or gives her any kind of difficulty to overcome. The same is true of Bellri too, but that's a different discussion.

She also forgives Bellri early in the show because she knows that he was acting in self-defense and that her anger at him was just her own grief and not any kind of recrimination of him for doing something he shouldn't have.

>>13675570
>. She had a possible arc of leaving behind fighting, which she isn't good at
And people would bitch she as a selfish cunt who let Bellri do the heavy work without moving a finger.
Also, it would make NO SENSE for her to leave her brother in danger without doing anything for him. What kind of shitty onee-san would she be?

>>13675570
>She never stops fighting for a start,
Yes she does. By venus she listens to people and stops forcing herself into fights, only doing that big deflector thing. Last few episodes she doesn't take part just stays on the ship

>she doesn't really do any political maneuvering or assume any real leadership role herself
Her political role was like an ambassador. She leads the ship and decides where to go. Some infomation used to make key decision only she knows.

>>13675570
>The show never challenges her or gives her any kind of difficulty to overcome.
Uhm? She had plenty. Like accepting Bellri on the Megafauna, questioning her father actions at Towasanga, questioning her goals and ideas on the road to Venus Globe.

>She also forgives Bellri early in the show
Wasn't that episode 24?

>>13675570
>>13675604
Also she forgives him around episode 15 ish and only is friendly/sisterly around 18/19, not early on

>>13675605
Don't forget the whole energy situation and if her ideals are not really hers

>>13675570
She never stops fighting, however, there's that whole talk of understanding your own role, and yes, Aida does realize that she's a better politician than a fighter, but she also comes to accept her role as a pilot when on the battlefield. She doesn't rush ahead into danger, eager to prove herself, and instead becomes more of a supporting fighter alongside the Grimoire bros.

A good example of her development as a pilot is seen when Bellri is fighting Chickara near Venus Globe. Aida takes a potshot at the Gastima while it's busy fighting with Bellri. The Gastima blocks the shot and tries to go after Aida. Aida recognizes that she's in danger and retreats back, allowing the Megafauna to provide suppressing fire to cut off Chickara's pursuit. She knows her place and tries to do the best she can in the role she is in.

>>13675255
I'm happy for you you
I disgree about lacking closure. Found the end fine.

>>13675474
Basically what happened is that every commanding officer was killed so technically you have no real reason to follow the orders of a dead man.

>The Garanden leaves.
>Jugan is killed.
>Amerian fleet is disabled
>G-ITards are under wraps.

It'd be pointless to continue fighting and if they did Capital Army would be slaughtered. Not to say it isnt still rushed a bit anti-climatic for my tastes aswell.

>>13675727
Nah the ending was clearly rushed but it doesn't change the fact the entire show was fanfuckingtastic.

and its sad we now see garbage like IBO being more popular...

>>13675815
It's more popular, sure, but it's boring the hell out of the people watching it. It doesn't even have good sales.

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>>13675345
MICKU JACKU!

>>13675380
>>13675433
>>13675439
best

>>13675815
dont matter we're gettin a compli movie and a "fantasy" mecha anime by Tomino funded by IBO dollars

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when them GReco movies coming out?

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>>13675914
ringo a cute

>>13675255
>Turn A Lite
Honestly, I watched the BDs when they came out in September, having watched TurnA at the end of July, so I definitely agree with you. G-Reco did feel a lot like Turn A

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>>13675955
always wished Ringo got some more screen time. he and kerbes had a good tandem and they hardly showed up. only time ringo got to protect his waifu was early in the G-It incident

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>>13676090
there was that time when he cut down Jurgen's base jabber but that was off screen, I wish they just cut that scene out for time and it's still floating around somewhere. even storyboards would be nice

>>13675255
I agree with a lot of your points and I wonder how many of the negatives could have been fixed if it had more episodes since it really felt like 50 episodes worth of material crammed into 25. It lacked breathing room and I got the feeling that a lot of exposition and some worldbuilding was cut to fit all the important dialogue in. Same with all the events that happened. Some them felt less impactful due to sometumes complete lack of screentime.

And how great it would be if all the factions had more distinct visuals to them. The mecha design was really good but the different sides lacked identity.

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>>13676090
Does anyone have the picture or a gif of that time they both tried to protect her and got pushed away?

This show was so full of little lovely simple moments that didn't feel the need to be anything more than that

>>13676237
>>And how great it would be if all the factions had more distinct visuals to them.
It wouldn't make much sense, given that all their tech comes from the same source.

"Turn-A like"

Exactly. It's shit.

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>>13676249
>the factions had more distinct visuals to them.
I think they were really, from MS to pilot suits you could pick out fractions and you can even see how they advanced certain designs. Only at the end when everyone has G-IT suits does it become less separated

>>13676237

Well Tomino did say that he only asked for 25 episodes due to fears he couldn't handle a full 50 but in a way that implied he'd have preferred the full 50 - meaning it probably is exactly what you say, and feels like 50 episodes crammed in to 26 because that's exactly what happened. Which is a shame, because the pacing is by far my biggest issue with the show and I probably would have liked it a lot more if it was twice as long.

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>>13676252
low bait anon

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>>13676245

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>>13676289
thanks

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>>13676300

>>13676347
>bellri's fucking phone

>>13676261
He said
1) an old man like [him] probably couldn't handle it
2) the industry won't allow for it right now

Considering he also said he would absolutely refuse to do compilation movies even if offered, but he's doing them anyways, I think he was only offered a half-series but would have done a full series if offered one.

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>>13676426
I actually wonder how it went down. Cause 50 episode now means 2 seasons, I wonder if he was offered the possibility of that and either didn't understand/like the industry did it like that or they just never offered it

Tomino is old and fussy, but it is obvious there was not a lot of faith put in this series (which makes it odd the show was greenlit in general).

>>13675594

People will bitch regardless of what you do, because you can't satisfy everone. And while the way it was executed no doubt satisfied some people, including several people here, it left a bad impression for me. Which I'm now bitching about.

As to what kind of sister she'd be? The kind that trusts her brother enough to be able to do something on his own, just like she'd presumably hope that he'd trust her enough to be able to handle her stuff on her own and not need him watching over or protecting her 24/7.

>>13675604

> Last few episodes she doesn't take part just stays on the ship

Utter bullshit. And I just redownloaded the episodes to double check that. She sorties for and partakes in every single engagement through the last 5 episodes. She might not do much of consequence in them, but she does sortie.

> She leads the ship and decides where to go

She doesn't even lead the ship. She just decides where to go. Which isn't really any different to what she was doing in the first episodes anyway, since she was giving some degree of orders even at the start of the show.

>>13675605

> like accepting Bellri on the Megafuana

Not actually her decision. She complied with it, but the captain of the ship along with Klim were the one's responsible for making that decision if I recall.

> questioning her own actions or the actions of others

Not really a challenge. A challenge for someone in a leadership position within a story is more like having to make a tough decision that endangers the life of subordinates no matter which choice they make. Or having to make a call that has bad consequences regardless of their own personal feelings in the matter. Or leading their subordinates to a victory through their decisions. Questioning your own actions is an internal thing that basically boils down to affirmation of feelings or actions, not an external challenge that they have to overcome.

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>>13677029

>>13675607

She might have vocalized a forgiveness at that point, but it's obvious by her actions that she understands and forgives him much earlier than that. Even by episode 4 she's using Cahill's death almost as a guilt chip to try and make Bellri do what she want and smiling when doing so. By episodes 9 or 10 she's much more comfortable around Bellri and willing to trust him far more than when he initially joins the Megafauna.

>>13675714

The problem I have is that she never really feels like a leader and throughout the entire show just feels more like a second hand pilot that happens to make a few decisions here and there. That's true of her at the start of the show, when she's making some decisions for the Megafauna over where to go and what to do (she seems to have been the main proponent for Cahill's plans and to have made the calls to attack the orbital elevator and Capital Territory for instance) and it's true of the end of the show. Which isn't really a good arc.

What's worse is that in the second to last episode Donyell tells her to take command of the Salamandra and she cries over how she doesn't think she can do. And then never actually does it. Several minutes later she's back in the G-Arcane like the conversation never happened and she never actually takes command of any ships. She never even really tries. Almost the next thing she does is instead go to check on Bellri because she doesn't even realize the position of some of the ships around, with both Raraiya and Noredo scolding her for endangering herself - kind of like how everyone was scolding her at the start of the show.

>>13677034
Good readup on what happened about Aida and Bell's here (that is if you haven't read it)

https://nekketsunikki.wordpress.com/2015/08/16/nolifes-tomino-and-yoshida-g-reco-interview/

I'm probably going to rewatch Reco soon now that fafner is over. I didn't like it much the first time, but I'm giving it a second chance. I might post my thoughts if it interests you.

>>13677412
Nice thing about Tomino's shows is that watching them the second time around, you tend to catch things that would have otherwise eluded you the first time. When I watched Turn A for the second time, I was actually kind of blown away by how much I'd missed, and it felt even better despite how much I loved it the first time.

>>13677200
>Tomino lost hope in humanity and think the earth won’t last more than 300 years
Based Tomino.

>>13675474
Because Tomino is retarded and thinks that armies will automatically surrender just because their field commander was killed. The fact that G-reco is supposed to be a commentary on the modern JSDF makes it all the more laughable.

>>13675255
>Turn-A Lite

The show felt like that for the first 8 episodes, but after that the show felt more like Victory Lite and Victory was, quite frankly, awful.

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anyone know what Yoshida is saying here?
>https://twitter.com/gallo44_yoshida/status/680213220699717632

gレコのデザイン本が売れれば俺なんかにもお金が入ると思ってる人がいると思いますが、本作った時に貰った取材協力費十数万円以外入りません。たとえバカ売れしても。でも売れれば俺の価値が上がるのでそりゃあ売れるに越したことはないです。

今度からそういう事もちゃんと会社と話ししなければいかんなと今年は勉強しました。

something about him not getting much money from grecos book sales?

>>13677841
I read that tweet too. Did they sell THAT good anyway to notice the missing income?

>>13675255
>does sometimes force you to pause and go back a few times.

I don't view that as a negative thing. I wish more directors gave a shit about making the audience stop and think

>>13677029
>she doesn't lead the ship she just decides everything
Your whole post isn't really an argument but denying and ignoring events

>>13677935
You can't pause your TV ad watch it later tho.

Or maybe they should do this so you buy the DVD.

>>13677841
People are accusing him of advertising the design book so that he can make money off royalties and he's defending himself saying that all he gets was the one lump sum from before, and nothing else.

>>13677978
>People are accusing him of advertising the design book
... and why shouldn't he? It is his work.
Also who is doing that? Twitter users?

>>13677998
>People are accusing him of advertising the design book so that he can make money off royalties
>>13677978

Wait why would it ever be scandalous for an artist to advertise an artbook with their work? The whole reason they do it is because they love drawing, love to share it with other people, and make money doing it.

When I got into one of the Udon tribute books I whored that out even though I wasn't even getting paid for it.

>>13677978
>People are accusing him of advertising the design book so that he can make money off royalties
What next? They are going to flood Obari and NAOKI's accounts for shilling their works?

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http://cyanglass.hatenablog.com/entry/g-reco/ep.10/bell

Great analysis with many details of episode 10.
It is in Japanese, but google translating it while watching the scenes should be enough to understand everything.

>>13679131
>Bellri used the Torque pack as decoy just like Dellensen used the boosters when he fought Bellri
SHIT!

>>13677935
Nothing wrong with thinking. But when you throw so much information at the viewer at once in a short period of time, it can be difficult to keep track of it and still take the time to enjoy the show itself.

I don't consider myself a stupid person (double BS in hard sciences), but I had some difficulty figuring out the relative positions of the forces during various fights because they were a bunch of clusterfucks with one side being on one end of the battlefield relative to Megafauna while another side is in a relative different direction, and then the perspective jumping to Garanden or Salamandra and repeating the same process two or three more times. Maybe it's just harder for foreigners since we have to occasionally take our eyes off the action to read the English subtitles, while the intended audience can hear it in Japanese as they watch.

I mean, if the objective was to portray how clusterfuck-ey the fights were because so many sides were all doing their own things, then it succeeded. But the narrative was hard to keep track of since I was trying to pay attention to what each side's objectives were, instead of just ignoring them all and paying attention only to Megafauna and Bellri.

>>13677972
>You can't pause your TV ad watch it later tho.
You can, actually.

>>13677732
>all this shit taste
Yikes, who let /a/ in

While looking around for bluray subs, I found out news that the blurays are coming out in the US officially.

But I haven't been able to find anywhere selling it. The only listing I found was for the UK.

Anyone know where I could find it?

>>13677942

She doesn't decide even remotely close to everything, even at the end of the show. In fact, she decides about as much at the end of the show as she does at the start, given that even within a handful of episodes of her returning to the Megafauna (which is only a few hours chronologically) she's giving orders to Happa and Donyell and being obeyed by both, even if on relatively small stuff like repairs and Bellri's actions (ordering Donyell to let him rest following Dellensen's death). By the end the only thing she's really deciding is their destination and she plays no real part in other decisions, like strategy or command stuff. She's so unused to the idea of command by the finale that Donyell has to command her to take command of the Salamandra, which she never actually does and immediately starts crying because she thinks she's incapable of doing so.

Her arc is more about learning to accept the help and opinions of other people than about accepting her limitations or strengths or about becoming more of a leader/politician than she was. She refuses to accept her shittiness as a pilot or to let other people dictate how she acts during battle during the return to the Salamandra, but after a while begins to accept that she's not a good pilot and lets other people guide her actions there, especially once she almost kills Bell's mom.

If you think I'm denying or ignoring stuff though, feel free to point them out.

>>13680603

> return to the Salamandra

I meant Megafauna there, obviously.

>>13680351
Rightstuf has the distribution rights for Gundam in the US, keep an eye out for their announcements.

>>13680603
>even at the end of the show
She and Bellri decided not to side with Gusion in the last battle.
If that is not a command decision...

>>13681520

> Gusion asks if the G-Arcane and G-Self will join the Amerian Army formally
> Bellri definitely says he has no intention of doing that first because he doesn't want to take orders from anyone
> Then Noredo says that she thinks it's a bad idea and the whole Megafauna crew probably feel the same way
> Then Aida says that she agrees with everyone else and that it's because of what they saw at Venus Globe so she asks him to understand that

Yea, there's no way in which that can be construed as a command decision. If it is, then Noredo and Bellri are also making command decisions too. In fact, they're making them more decisively than she is. Gusion never even asks for anything but their two units to be assigned and when they say no he accepts it and lets it go. Or at least, he says he's transferring the Megafauna to the fleet, and then Bellri, Aida and co leave without saying anything. Either way, she makes no command decision and only speaks for herself and agrees with what everyone else has said - which isn't a command.

>>13675815
>the ending was clearly rushed
Everytime we get an epilogue showing more than it's telling all the retards come out to scream rushed.

>>13681994
>she is the first one to see the truth behind Venus Globe
>she is probably the one who told people about it later
>she explains she can't side with his father because of what she saw on Venus Globe
>that somehow leads to her being less relevant in the decision just because we don't see her giving any order

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>>13680603
> she decides about as much at the end of the show as she does at the start
And her plans become larger in scale and ideas better thought out as she starts to question information. She goes from following a man she love's plan to conversing with a before unknown group of humans and judging based on that the appropriate action to stop a huge war. This culminates in her being in charge of one of the largest ships in the epilogue.

I hate how when discussing shows it always comes down to a numbers game with people. It's always well X on shot down 3 MS so he is a bad pilot, not looking at the narrative and what it is supposed to show. How someone is written and acts in general is what should be paid attention to. Aida is very bratty at first not listening to people, generally speaking with an insulting tone, accidentally blurting info out as she didn't think and struggling to deal with someone she disliked. By the end the only bit of this which is left is she cries when her father died (and if I remember correctly she just told him to put a normal suit on), and even then it is a small break in her confidence and she is able to keep going. At the start of the show a similar event caused a total break down where she was barely able to understand he was truly dead.

>>13681994
I think you have mixed up total control with only information from yourself and commanding

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>Early in the show
Is following Cahills plan
Asks father on what to do
Joins in with Amerian action to go to space

Charges into battle like an idiot

>Mid
Decides ship will go to Towasanga lacking info on it
Decides ship will go to Venus with some information on it

Stays back not really knowing what to do, takes a few random shots and is taking orders from everyone

>Late
Forms plan to return to earth and take action based on what she hasn't learnt about Venus and how the battery system actually is (not propaganda she learnt as child)
Is now Captain of the crescent ship and is using her power for change

Generally stays close to ship but intervenes when smart and is giving orders to others

>>13682063
>I hate how when discussing shows it always comes down to a numbers game with people
Meme eaters can't pay attention for their lives.

>>13682089
I think that Aida doesn't get enough screentime to really get how much she changed but many of her scenes are significant enough to get a good understanding of her progression from immature idiot to responsible person.

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>>13682185
That's just the grecos problem in general really.

I wish they would stop doing so much Gundam at once and just concentrate on one show allowing it to do more. If Greco was 40/50 episodes I honestly think it would be a contender for one of the best gundams, as is it's just a fun show that stands out from the very generic anime crowd

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>>13682234
Bigger res.

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>>13682374
thanks

>>13682089
I wished the show had one more season. I mostly want to see Aida's politics evolve from there while watching Klim going from Amerian president to Space Emperor.

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>>13682036

> that somehow leads to her being less relevant in the decision just because we don't see her giving any order

What decision? She doesn't give any orders at that point so it's hard to see that as any kind of command moment.

>>13682063

> this culminates in her being in charge of one of the largest ships in the epilogue

What? No it doesn't. Steer clearly addresses Elle Kind as the captain of the Full Moon ship (assuming you mean that) during the epilogue and Aida isn't even around at the time. We see her later chilling on the bridge and eating food. Nothing indicates she's captain of any ship in the epilogue. Pic related, Steer calls him captain a second before this shot.

> I hate how when discussing shows it always comes down to a numbers game with people

I hate when people dismiss arguments because they don't like them. My point is that Aida's arc isn't about becoming more of a leader. She gives commands occasionally throughout the show and speaks to leaders of all stripes as equals from the very beginning but it's never a focus for her character and most tellingly in the finale when she's given a challenge by Donyell to take command of the Salamandra she immediately bursts in to tears and says she can't do it and then never actually does it. The only command she gives during the entire final stretch of the show is for pilots to help the wounded after the final battle. And she doesn't appear to take any kind of leadership role after the show either, given that she's still just chilling on the Megafuana with everyone else like nothing's changed. She's almost certainly working towards a goal of enlightening the world while there, but she's also almost certainly not doing so as some kind of authority figure and instead just as herself. Which is fine, because that's all she needs to be.

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>>13684539

It's not about numbers, it's about what the plot sets her up to do and what she actually does throughout the show. Her arc is a more about her becoming a better person - not about her becoming an authority figure of some kind. Two people try to get her to take command of a ship during the finale of the show, her father and Donyell. She refuses when her father says it, and breaks down when Donyell does. Most importantly, she never surpasses this perceived limitation by actually taking command of a ship, so it's hard to see how the plot expects us to see her as an authority figure.

> by the end the only bit of this which is left is she cries when her father died

And when Donyell commands her to take command of the Salamandra. Don't forget that. Not that I disagree with what you wrote about her becoming a better person and less bratty mind, just that she does cry in at least one other instance and it's when someone is trying to get her to take a leadership role. Which I think is kind of important to my point.

> I think you have mixed up total control with only information from yourself and commanding

I think you have no idea what a command is if you think anything she did there is a command. She never speaks for anyone or gives them an order of any kind she expects to be obeyed because she gave it, so it's not a command by any definition you want to leverage. And that's the only point I want to make about that scene - that she's not making any kind of command or acting as any kind of authority or leadership figure there, only taking a personal stance as an adult. Which is fine. But isn't a command.

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>>13682089

> Early show
> Joins in with Amerian action to go to space

She is almost certainly the one who came up with the idea in the first place, being as how she was grilling Wilmitt about space batteries the night before, then went off in private to speak to her father and was the one who started asking about going to Sankt Porto the next day. She might have consulted her father on it, but it's clear she was the one who wanted to do it and was heavily involved in it's conception.

> Late show
> Is now Captain of the Crescent ship and is using her power for change

She's certainly working towards change, but she's not captain of anything, least of all the Crescent Ship which Elle Kind is clearly addressed as captain of during the epilogue.

> Generally stays close to ship but intervenes when smart and is giving orders to others

Not in combat she isn't. Noredo gives her more orders than she gives, and she wanders off from where she should be several times during even the final stretch of episodes to be scolded by Noredo, Raraiya or Bellri.