Iron Flopping Orphans

The show is absolute garbage.

>>13670551
>half off
>EXVS Force code

>>13670572
Don't forget it is also a prime time show on just before Yugioh and has heavy advertising

Yeah? How does it compare to G-Reco's sales?

>>13670684
Doing a lot worse actually

>>13670695
Really? I seem to remember G-Reco not even being in the top 10 back in the day.

>gritty military show flops
>okay, fuck it, let's go full goofy for a while
How long until Sunrise decides to go full Kyoryuger?

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>yearly Gundam series

You didn't learn your lesson, Bandai.

>>13670744
BFT and Greco both did okay. At least well enough that together the season was successful. Not to mention Origin was running in the background.

>>13670755
>G-Reco
>did okay

Oh so you're a historical revisionist. G-Reco did not do well.

>>13670849
Can you back that up? cause last I heard it did okay outside those first misreported numbers. Well enough that it is even getting an an English bluray release

>>13670849
Sunrise said both BFT and G-Reco did great, so please get out G-Reco hater unless you can disprove that claim.

>>13670849
Are you retarded? During the IBO reveal event they said BFT and G-Reco were great successes

>>13670551
Hey , take off the disney films and live action shit from the list it's extremely misleading. For the ones where it's ranked 10th, it's actually ranked 6th:

1. ご注文はうさぎですか?? 第1巻〈初回限定版〉
2. ラブライブ!The School Idol Movie【特装限定版】
3. Overload
4. 終物語 第一巻/おうぎフォーミュラ(完全生産限定版)
5. 黒子のバスケ 3rd SEASON 9
6. 機動戦士ガンダム 鉄血のオルフェンズ


So IBO is actually ranked 6th and in the top 10,

For 12/23, where it's ranked 4th, it's actually ranked 3.

1. ARIA The ANIMATION Blu-Ray BOX
2. 終物語 第一巻/おうぎフォーミュラ(完全生産限定版)
3. 6. 機動戦士ガンダム 鉄血のオルフェンズ

>>13670849
Yes it did. G-Reco's and Build Fighters Try success was what convinced Sunrise to do IBO immediately because they saw they could do multiple Gundam anime/OVA/movies fairly close to each other. This was verbatim stated in the press conference for IBO during that countdown timer promo July, 15 2015

>>13670895
>hey, take off the stuff the list is meant to list and IBO is higher

>>13670900
Because it's artificially making it lower because of course Disney's The Minion's is going to fuck with the ranking when what we really care about is how it's doing in relationship to other weaboo cartoons, duh.

>>13670895
>, take off the disney films and live action shit
No, that is silly. Those a things selling much better than it

Even then it is being beaten by some small time stuff, Is the Order a Rabbit should not beat out a prime time gundam in the Christmas period. Even a LN adaptation not currently airing like Overlord can beat it.

plus >>13670572

>>13670940
>gochiusa
>small time
>>13670940
How the fuck is that silly
You're comparing dodge charger sales to dell laptop sales.

>>13670950
>small time
Yes

>You're comparing dodge charger sales to dell laptop sales.
No it is comparing blurays sold to blurays sold. You aren't even just breaking it up into animation and live action an dif you want to get technical like that you have to also start thinking about stuff like pricing range

>>13670940
>small time stuff
>underestimating perverts

>>13670978
I like gochiusa cause it makes my dick go dokidoki

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>>13670551
BANDAI ON SUICIDE WATCH HAHAHAHA

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>>13671073
>Biggest company in Japan
>Gundam is still their top selling property this year
>Gundam The Origin and G-Reco doing well
>Gunpla sales doing good
>Suicide Watch

Even if IBO doesn't become the next 00 sized hit its not gonna hurt anything in the long run but it shows that timeslots don't mean jackshit anymore and there has to be more drive to make people want to purchase BDs. Now they could go the Aniplex route and do event ticket offers for their big Gundam releases I can imagine them doing the same for Macross Delta.

>>13670940
>how dare some comfy cgdct show beat muh popular shitpost magnet

for one thing, gochiusa threads on /a/ are pretty chill besides some sexualization posters. meanwhile almost every IBO thread on /m/ is loud as fuck shitposting and NO U

>>13670551
translate it weebs

>>13670551
/a/ BTFO

>>13670551
REKT

>>13670556
fuck yeah snapfit-kun

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>>13670684
stop that

>>13670938
>Disney's The Minion's

The minion's isn't disney though. take a break anon looks like you need it

>>13670551
No one cares when you did this about G-Reco or all the other series you keep pulling this shit on. Just enjoy the show, who gives a fuck about how much it's selling?

>>13672972
You don't understand, I'm better than you for not liking this show, look, I have numbers that mean nothing but I'm going to pretend they mean I'm right.

I'm so mature.

on a more serious note, how's the kit sales doing? BD sales is one thing but gundam series relies more on kit sales over BD sales if I'm not mistaken

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>>13670551
Good, we need less vermin for termination and people are finally wising up.

>>13671098
>Biggest company in Japan
I don't fucking think so. Not fucking close. Not even 250 unless they are part of some even larger conglomerate

It's still raping Fafner in terms of sales

>>13675484
>namco-bandai not the largest anime company

It's definitely them, no other anime related company has the power. Not even Aniplex comes even close. Sony doesn't even anime anymore.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/a352a706-16a0-11e5-b07f-00144feabdc0.html

They are also ranked 228 for overall companies in Japan.

>>13670551
Good.

>>13670684

I don't know about sales or viewing figures, since I can't seem to dig either up for G-Reco up from the archives but I do know that Iron Blooded Orphans has better online viewing numbers than Reconguista in G. At least as far as Gundaminfo's Youtube episodes go anyways. IBO has about double the viewing numbers of G-Reco for any given episode at the moment, even though G-Reco has been up for what...a year longer? I don't know how much import Banrise given that though, and whether that's true of other online sources like Crunchyroll or what have you as well.

>>13675678
Greco was put up when the series was half way through

>>13675678
>>13675706
*halfway through yet episodes still only put up weekly

>>13675678
They didn't start airing G-Reco on Gundam.info until it was nearly over (and most of us had already seen the "new" episodes months ago), and then they region locked it halfway through. With IBO, they're releasing it as it airs on TV for the regions not getting it through other streaming sites.

G-Reco is a show Bandai did not expect to sell well, so they let Tomino do whatever he wanted while they tried to push GBF Try on us. It's a different situation than something they expect to sell well like IBO.

>>13675721
It didn't even get a good slot on tv and the gunpla obviously didn't have much effort put into it till later, especially compared to other series around it having much better range of movement and less stickers. Hell even when Breaker 2 was coming out it was Try pushed as a big new addition

Honestly the show had everything against it, doing as well as it did is amazing

>>13670703
That was preorders. IBO is actually on sale now.

>>13675520
No one said to limit it only to anime-related companies

>>13675678
Are you forgetting G-Reco was only available on some aussie stream site for almost its entire run?

>>13676052
And Crunchyroll

>>13675721
>G-Reco is a show Bandai did not expect to sell well, so they let Tomino do whatever he wanted while they tried to push GBF Try on us. It's a different situation than something they expect to sell well like IBO.

Yeah because Banrise is just like Konami. They want to push out Tomino to keep churning out garbage for a fast return. It's a business model that aims to make small investments for quick returns instead of big investments for the long run. Only problem is Tomino made a show so great that it makes IBO looks like absolute shit.

>>13675745
>Honestly the show had everything against it, doing as well as it did is amazing

G-Reco was planned for years. It should be no surprise it absolutely incredible.

>>13671073
It is not like Love Live and Gundam The Origin are the two best selling anime of the year!

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>>13676068
IBO doesn't need any help to look like absolute shit. G-Reco has a lot of strong points but is a a general clusterfuck as far as plot goes. I can't say it's 'absolutely incredible' and I don't think many people outside of /m/ would call it that either.

>>13676226
I think given a better slot and more advertising including streaming in the west (anime fans often like what they are told to) it would have done much better, not incredible and been a big show but the sales would have been bumped up a lot

>>13676066
It wasn't on Crunchyroll it was available on Vimeo and Gundam Youtube Channel after it was donem

>>13676226
>G-Reco has a lot of strong points but is a a general clusterfuck as far as plot goes.
Found the retard

>>13675706
>>13675711
>>13676052

Are you ignoring that I was speaking only to it's number of views on that one online channel and specifically included the qualification that I couldn't speak to how well viewed it was on any other internet source? I don't have numbers for any of those, nor are they published anywhere in the case of places like Crunchyroll to my knowledge, so that one resource is the only one I could mention numbers for.

>>13676400
How does that change it was put up on youtube half way (possibly more) through airing and on a weekly basis when you could easily find the episodes else where so not pointlessly wait?

>>13676408

It doesn't. I never said it did. Only that those are the only numbers we have for any online source, so I gave them with as much qualification as I could to say they're not definitive and shouldn't be taken as such.

>>13676423
>I gave them with as much qualification as I could
No you didn't in fact you said

>even though G-Reco has been up for what...a year longer?

The whole post is incredibly misleading to someone who didn't have knowledge about what actually happened. Your qualifications are actually "well I don't know this but I'm going to state stuff anyway"

>>13676400
>>13676423
Then why bother bring it up when its worthless to this conversation?

>>13676425

I also said

> I don't know how much import Banrise gives that though, and whether that's true of other online sources like Crunchyroll or what have you.

And it has been online for just about 10 months now after checking the dates. So while I wasn't exact, I wasn't that far off.

>>13676427

Because they're the only numbers we have for online viewerships as far as I'm aware. Which seems vaguely relevant even if they're only part of a larger demographic.

>>13676431
That doesn't mean what I said at all

>>13676437
When the data isn't comparable for multiple reason it is not useful

>>13676440

> That doesn't mean what I said at all

It is however a qualification that it isn't a complete demographic from across all online streams and only applies to that one exact source.

> When the data isn't comparable for multiple reasons it is not useful

It's about as good as we're going to get, so that makes it vaguely useful in and of itself. If you want to make it more useful you could compare it to the viewer numbers for Build Fighters and Try which were both put up weekly as they aired as far as I'm aware. And both of which stomp the viewer numbers for any particular IBO episode.

>>13676456
But then we run into a problem with IBO only being available in certain countries on youtube, while Build Fighters isn't.

Can anyone get the numbers for AGE when it was on Gundam.info?

>>13676456
>It's about as good as we're going to get, so that makes it vaguely useful in and of itself.
No its not because as other people have stated G-Reco only started getting weekly uploads 3 weeks before it ended its run and everyone had already seen it from other sources at that point compared to GBF and TRY which were uploaded on the same day it aired in Japan

>>13676456
>a qualification
And there are more which you didn't take into account. You also mostly glossed over them

>Build Fighters and Try
Available in multiple countries. You aren't very good at this

>>13676280
Yeah yeah fuck you too. I'm not saying I had trouble following it, I'm saying each plot point had next to no time to breathe. I think G-Reco's breathless pacing and willingness to move things along in incidental dialogue is the freshest thing about it, but it had too many plot arcs for its runtime all the same.

We have this conversation every gundam show.

BD sales are always irrelevant, the primary purpose of gundam is to spruik model kits.

If you can find proof the kits aren't selling, then it's a flop.

And 2% is pretty decent for a TV show that airs at 5PM on a Sunday. It's better than Build Fighters S1 which aired in Japan's Golden Time block.

>>13676500
That is not good ratings for a show on primetime. Yugioh airs after it and blows it away

>>13676500
>And 2% is pretty decent for a TV show that airs at 5PM on a Sunday.
Its actually not, the last two shows that aired on the blok averaged 5% and a 4% respectively, the last Gundam show that average a 2% and below was AGE which had the worst ratings in the franchise.
>It's better than Build Fighters S1 which aired in Japan's Golden Time block.
No it didn't it aired monday afternoons.

>>13676500
And people point out every time that disk sales can support shows especially very popular entries in the series. It should also be important for this show which is not very mech focused it is obvious they want disk and other merchandise (which there is a more of than recent previous entries) sales

We rarely get anything solid in terms of how gunpla sells outside of "it is good/bad" which can mean many things so really isn't that helpful

>>13676518

So basically AGE killed gundam

>>13676527
Not really. Its failure didn't really do anything.

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>>13676506
it cheats tho

anime shouldnt have characters that are fun to watch

I'm sure it'll do fine.

>>13676545
it's almost like kids shows should be fun to watch and aimed at kids

Wait, where have I heard that before?

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>>13676553
mein kampf

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>>13676461

Closest I could find, sadly. None of the later available timestamps on the Wayback Machine had access to the AGE playlist for numbers of any kind and I couldn't think of any other place that might have them. Assuming that the episode went up straight away (and I'm not sure on that) then it'd be about 5 months later.

>>13676466

> You also mostly glossed over them

It was a 3 sentence post. I mostly glossed over everything. I didn't think I had to go in to exact detail on every single point to avoid being attacked. I'll make note of it in future.

>>13676543
> The North American market is difficult. Gundam depicts war through the eyes of characters like Amuro and Kira, who are against fighting. These types of characters and the cruelty of war lend themselves to anti-war themes. But a protagonist like Amuro isn't acceptable in the North American market. It has to be a type of character who fights for his country. If we end up creating a Gundam for the North American market, it will be entirely different from the anti-war Gundam of Japan. I doubt if we could call that Gundam.

This is a quote by Yasuo Miyakawa, one of SEED's producers. From my research, he also produced Gundam 00, AGE, and Unicorn. This guy is the one I believed pushed UNDERSTANDING, like it was the source of SEED's and 00's popularity and success. After all, he tries to say Kira and Amuro are basically the same person despite all the evidence to the contrary.

People didn't go nuts over AGE like they originally thought they would. Kio is looked upon as a lame Kira knockoff by SEED fans and "uggh. Not another Kira clone" by it's detractors.

He didn't produce G-Reco, Build Fighters, Try or IBO. AGE flopping as hard as it did no doubt made them stop and try to figure out how to make the show work again.

>>13676609
AGE flopped cause people thought it would be generic boring shit and it was generic boring shit with a really bad story

You can't say failure is down to a guy/'s thoughts involved with 3 of the biggest and most popular modern Gundam shows

>>13676609
Your argument turns to shit because Unicorn was a huge success and preached the same message.

>>13676609
> These types of characters and the cruelty of war lend themselves to anti-war themes. But a protagonist like Amuro isn't acceptable in the North American market. It has to be a type of character who fights for his country. If we end up creating a Gundam for the North American market, it will be entirely different from the anti-war Gundam of Japan. I doubt if we could call that Gundam.

Sounds like he's describing /m/ pretty accurately.

>>13676609
too bad Abe re-militarized the country

>>13676066
It wasn't on Crunchyroll unless the time I spent waiting for new episodes to be ripped every week were all just some sort of elaborate dream.

>>13676640
Unicorn banked on UC nostalgia, was an ova with long gaps between episodes, and high production values. Every episode could've been utter shit and we would have completely forgotten by the time the next one rolled around.

>>13676721
>Unicorn banked on UC nostalgia
Yet it was more like SEED than anything in UC.

>>13670578
>Don't forget it is also a prime time show on just before Yugioh and has heavy advertising

This doesn't even air on the same day as Yu Gi Oh.

>>13676609
AGE flopped because gundam generally isnt watched by young children anymore and AGE is a show that has the aesthetics of a kodomo show.

It was hated right out the gate and the show had awful pacing and a very cliche, boring plot. It doesn't pander with cute girls and their breasts, panty shots and they didn't make much kits out of the show.

AGE was something no one wanted where as IBO is considered uninteresting and filler until Arc-V airs.

>>13676739
Are you retarded? Yugioh airs right after IBO. I know because I watch them both every week live on the same stream.

>>13676640
Unicorn?
UNDERSTANDING?

son it was about telling people to stop being butthurt about the past and do something about working towards a future for everyone.

>>13676553
>it's almost like kids shows should be fun to watch and aimed at kids

But stuff like Yamato still does really well.

>>13676765
>was about telling people to stop being butthurt about the past and do something about working towards a future for everyone.
That's completely fucking wrong you stupid fuck.

>>13676767
Uh....Yamato 2199 wasn't a kids show.

>>13676781
Yes it was. Anything aired in that time slot is considered a kids show by and large.

>>13676775
oh please point where anyone says let's put our differences aside. NO ONE SAYS THAT. NOT EVEN BANAGHER.

>>13676789
dude a kid's show is like anpan man or doraemon or pokemon

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>>13676789
>Anything aired in that time slot is considered a kids show by and large.
>Code Geass R2
>Star Driver
>Sengoku Basara S2
>Arslan Senki

Are you done being stupid?

>>13676794
>NO ONE SAYS THAT. NOT EVEN BANAGHER.
So you didn't even watch it.

>>13676762

Is Arc V doing that good or has that time slot really just gone to shit?

>>13676789
I get the feeling you're pretending to be retarded but no one was implying the point you're trying to make.

>>13676798

Those are all seen as kids shows in Japan. Any show in that time slot is generally regarded as a kids show. Fucking Gundam SEED was seen as a kids show, that's why adults were so upset at the implied sex.

>>13676794

Mineva's final speech is telling people to forget about Zeon and just work towards a better future together. The show constantly talks about the God of Possibility. Banagher spends time with the more moderate folks of both factions and gains insight in to their core beliefs and ends up helping unite the more moderate and decent folks on both sides to work together against fanatics like Full Frontal.

>>13676808
>he's got a point

>>13676775
LITERALLY EVERY OTHER SCENE IS PEOPLE STARTING SHIT BECAUSE SOMEONE DID SHIT TO THEM IN THE PAST IN A NEVER ENDING CYCLE OF BUTTHURT AND BULLSHIT.

THE TRAGEDY OF THE UNIVERSAL CENTURY IS THAT PEOPLE WOULD NOT FUCKING STOP SCREWING PEOPLE OVER EVEN IF ONLY FOR A SHRED OF REVENGE.

>>13676808
>Those are all seen as kids shows in Japan.
No they're not.

>>13676809
So it is UNDERSTANDING.

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>>13676808
>Those are all seen as kids shows in Japan. Any show in that time slot is generally regarded as a kids show.

I'm starting to think this guy doesn't kniw what he's talking about.

>>13676809
>>13676815
Wrong again dumbfuck

>>13676826
>kniw
*know

>>13676836
>>13676826
what the fuck do you know, you cant even spell

>>13676820

In the same way Zeta Gundam is, sure. Which is to say not at all, but I mean, when has that mattered here on /m/?

Zeta Gundam by the way featured the AEUG made up of the more moderate remnants of both Zeon and the Federation working together to try and stop the fanatics of both sides from fucking things up for everyone and ended with the remnants of the Titans surrendering to the Federation. With ZZ doing the same for Neo Zeon basically. Kamille also spent time getting to know both sides (Spacenoids and Earthnoids), learning to appreciate each and wanting to protect both by the end.

>>13676831

Then point out what's wrong and give examples.

>>13676789
That's not kids block dumbass in fact the majority of the viewership is young adults

>>13676843
>kek you misspelled a word, your entire argument is invalid!
Found the captain of the debate team.

>>13676844
>In the same way Zeta Gundam is, sure.
No its not actually. Zeta was a three way confrontation and it didn't end with two sides siding with one another to beat the big bad. The rest of what you posted was horseshit.

>>13676853

The two sides merged in to one moderate before the show even began. They're still a moderate third faction fighting against the other two to make a better future for both and even trying to do so during the show, with the most prominent example being Char's speech at Dakar where he tries to encourage the Federation to move more people out in to space (a prominent Zeon goal) as well as to combat the Titans (a Federation goal). Kamille kills the remaining Titans leadership in the finale, leading the remnants to surrender and fold back in to the Federation.

>>13670556
>IPs doesn't go up

>>13676872
Wrong again

>>13676910

Sure. I mean, you did such a great job demonstrating why I'm wrong and all.

>>13676964
I can make a paragraph explaining that Zeta came before 0079 doesn't mean I'm right.

>>13676982

You could make a paragraph explaining why I'm wrong and yet you keep refusing to and instead trying to act like you're above it. Nothing I said is factually untrue, unlike the statement that Zeta comes before 0079 however.

>>13676994
>Nothing I said is factually untrue,
Actually it is.
>unlike the statement that Zeta comes before 0079 however.

Why?

>>13677010

> Actually it is

Okay. Then what part is untrue?

> Why?

Do you actually need me to prove to you that Zeta comes before 0079? The thing you didn't even imply was correct in your own statement?

>>13676226
>dat sexy explosion
I miss it. DO much!

>>13670551
IBO is just so boring and feels like it is going no where. At least G-reco was a fun trainwreck.

>>13677997
>fun trainwreck.
Found the retard

>>13676068
Are all /m/ tripfags this brain damaged? Isn't this the same guy that thought the Graze's gun was an M16 or something?

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>>13677999
You are right, G-reco was an awful train wreck. No fun at all. Just pure shit that only retards could like.

>>13678003
Here's your reply.

>>13670556
>tripfagging

>>13675921
>Bandai going down the drain
>somehow still #1 anime related company
Yeah, keep pretending it isn't relevant.

>>13678002
yes and yes

Threads like this and every single subsequent reply are sad examples of pathetic fucks clutching their fists with hot tears streaming down their face quietly whimpering "I'm right I know I'm right."

>>13682242
Good thing you're excluded from being right about your generalization amirite?

>>13676226
Look at that. Those beautiful vibrant colours. That non-shit choreography. I miss G-Reco.

>>13683293

> someone shoots from behind a mountain and then advances straight ahead firing all the guns
> several units dodge beams and fly away
> somehow amazed by this choreography

You could at least post something with actually notable choreography if you're going to geek out over it.

>>13678010
One order of here's your reply

>>13683339
Found the Iron Blooded Babby

>>13683366

Jesus you're a retard. I'm not even saying it doesn't have good choreography, just that there's nothing notable in that webm and you could have posted a better example from within the show, which does have better examples, if you're going to geek out over it's choreography.

>>13683293

That is quite literally MA beam spam.webm, and you praise it for doing something SEED, Destiny and 00 made you detest?

Then again, muh Tomino. Sacred cow, flawless, revered.

>>13683426
>beam spam
Found the retard

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>>13683394
>>13683426
Yeah it needs more missing frames.

>>13683435

Yeah, because the Armorzagan sitting there and going pew pew pew with its vast array of exclusively beam-based weaponry does not constitute beam spam.

But I can see how that can be forgotten over choreography so impressive. Look at how those mobile suits banked, slightly.

>>13683441

It could do with some actual variety, sure.

>>13683454
>He fire a a beam
>its beam spam

Why are Iron Blooded Babbies so stupid?

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>>13683454
>variety
This is just sad.

>>13683478

Yeah, whatever, pal.

Go sit down and watch the Freedom give you a seizure, clearly that's the sort of 'choreography' you love if you think a mobile armor farting out beams is impressive.

>>13683499
Fucking IBO has brought the worst cancer to this board, I swear.

>>13683509

Yeah, Reco elitists crawling out of the cracks in the floor like roaches, especially.

Oh wait, that's been the case for over a fucking year, never mind.

>>13683513
Except I know both series are shit, fuckwit. You're still a waste of functioning organs.

>>13683521
>You're still a waste of functioning organs.

And what might you be doing here, then, if you loathe them both so intensely?

Fuck off.

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E-everyone, please stop fighting.

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>>13683538

See, that's cool. That's the kind of thing I wanted >>13683293 to post. Instead he has to freak out about IBO like a gigantic fucking spazz.

>>13683554
Nigga that wasn't even fucking me. I know that's flimsy, but that's just how it goes on an anonymous forum. I've been staying out of it and trying to write a decent response.

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>>13683556

Then I apologize for mixing you up. That's what I meant regardless.

I'm still going to follow through and watch it all, its not terrible, but its not great. It just is, I feel as though maybe they'll actually get somewhere, or something big will develop by the next episode. I mean it feels like they've just been meandering about in space forever, White Base had already landed on Earth by episode 12 and already into the Earth arc.

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>>13676809

That whole "God of Possibility" and "working together for a better future" thing worked out real well didn't it?

>>13683566
>I mean it feels like they've just been meandering about in space forever
This is what worries me, it feels like we have got no where and only just started proper development of characters. And even then for Orga and Guts it is just repeating the same lines over and over, even the show was calling Guts out on it

The next episode is not even earth but a colony where they will repeat that an old guy who looks like he is from some NTR doujin wants to kill Kudelia. I am also dreading the romance as Mika is only just involuntary showing more emotion and Kudelia will just sit and complain she doesn't get it and it probably makes her feel useless

>>13683566
>it feels like they've just been meandering about in space forever
You know what this reminds me of? The space portion of the Sunsa arc in Votoms, but dragged out even longer. People who complain about that arc lingering can consider themselves lucky compared to here.

>>13683609
Space arc is the Moon Moon of IBO.

>>13683588
It's a message aimed mostly to the audience. The tragedy of it falling on deaf ears in the UC is part of the human condition, but it shouldn't mean you should stop working towards that ideal where people aren't perpetually angry at each other.

GUTS
ON A BOAT

>>13683630

There's also the fact that Zeon does fold peacefully back in to the Federation and there are no more Zeon wars, so Mineva basically got what she was asking for even if there were further conflicts over other things decades later.

>>13683625
Huh, that makes some sort of sense. Only instead of space Aztecs, you got a space Muslim and his Shrike Team haremettes.

Wait. Wait. Almiria is young, right? And McGillis gets a Gundam fairly soon.
Could Almiria get turned into the local equivalent of a cyber Newtype?

>>13683769
Forcefully install an Alay-Vijnana mock-up or something in her and try and make her a Puru or a Lalah?
I would hate to see that happen because she's cute, but it's probably what will happen.

>>13683775
>Lalah
Meant Four.

>>13683769
>>13683775

She has no connection to the main characters or story as a whole. It would have no meaning unless she meets Mika when they finally get to Earth.

>>13683775
>Forcefully install an Alay-Vijnana mock-up or something in her and try and make her a Puru or a Lalah?
Yuuuup.

I heard it actually sold pretty well, anyone got the BD sales yet?

>>13683538
>>13683554
You can tell animators enjoyed the Mack Knife.
I wish we had more unique designs like that.

>>13684192
* 9,254 Gundam IBO

>>13684192
It sold okay for most shows, but it wasn't at full price being just 1 episode and had a code with it

>>13684218

Wait but that's really fucking good. Shit.

>>13684248
Not really. It was half off and had a promo code in it. Vol 2 is where you get the meat of the show and see how it really sales. Remember that first volumes always sale the highest so 9k is the peak.

>>13684218
>>13684264

What were G-Reco's sales figures for the first volume and viewing numbers anyways? They won't change my mind on the shows or anything, but given how much of a pissing match anons are trying to turn things in to I'm curious how they did relative to each other.

>>13684307
>What were G-Reco's sales figures for the first volume and viewing numbers anyways?
Rough estimate say slightly over 10k but problem is that oricon never fixed this so it still says it sold over 4k in some sites despite the fact that every volume after sold 2 times more than what they reported so its a mess but according to someanithing sound scan was the closest with 8k-9k for the first volume. Ratings wise G-Reco did well for its Animazement timeslot averaging over 2% which is great for a late night timeslot.

>>13684307
10k and this was without a promo code and came full price.

>>13684349

Did it have some kind of promotion in it's first volume too then? I assume not, but just curious about all this. I'd almost say that the two shows would have done better if they'd swapped their timeslots, since kids are more likely to like the very vivid color palette of G-Reco (Tomino used it for that express purpose according to the nolife interview) and the show is a lot more exuberant and dynamic, while teens or adults are more likely to be up and enjoy IBO since it's more of a slow burn and setting itself up as a character driven show (thought it obviously depends on what they do with the characters).

>>13684364
>Did it have some kind of promotion in it's first volume too then?
Nope, came full price. There was an Amazon edition that was cheaper but that was the limited edition for that website anyways every else it was the same edition the confusion came from oricon not counting the Amazon edition for volume one which is why numbers are so low but soundscan counted it. IBO v1 is half priced everywhere and came with a promo code for EXVS FORCE itll definitely suffer from a drop next volume.

>>13684362
>>13684394

On the flipside, G-Reco was tomino right after Sunrise ran a campaign about Turn-A that increased its popularity, while IBO is a new thing.

>>13684364
>I'd almost say that the two shows would have done better if they'd swapped their timeslots, since kids are more likely to like the very vivid color palette of G-Reco (Tomino used it for that express purpose according to the nolife interview) and the show is a lot more exuberant and dynamic, while teens or adults are more likely to be up and enjoy IBO since it's more of a slow burn and setting itself up as a character driven show (thought it obviously depends on what they do with the characters).
Definitely would have made a lot more sense but Bandai was wary of Tomino not making bank and to be fair his last Gundam effort bombed so they didn't want to risk it also they didn't want it directly competiting with TRY for kids so they pushed it as the first late night Gundam anime to get adults into it against his wishes also pushing new age pop bands for the Opening instead of G no Senko which he wrote whuch explains why the openings are so lazily done while the ending looks extravagant.

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Friendly reminder that The Wizard Of Oz flopped initially. So did Mobile Suit Gundam.
And SEED sold like hand warmers in Alaska. There is neither causation nor even correlation between qualtiy and sales.

Honestly, the fact that people feel the need to validate their own opinions and invalidate the opinions of others with something as trite as sales figures is really sad.

>>13684410
Yep, the Turn A BD Box cane out at the same time as G-Reco v1 and it sold well because of it.

6K for a 2 cour show is a success.

>>13684410
IBO is getting a lot of promotion. It's actually getting dubbed, being used as an incentive to buy a game, has Mari Okada as a head to draw in casuals and tried to pander to Fujo by advertising shirtless men

>>13684416
>Turn A sold well because of G-Reco
Why would you even think that?

>>13684422

None of that is unusual for a gundam show, and casuals don't give a fuck about who's writing a show.

>>13684427
>Two Tomino works coming out at the same time
>Bandai promoted them together

Not saying that was the case but it helped both, there was even a joke last year from that yaraon article when the Turn A Box was ranked higher than G-Reco.

>>13684419
I seem to remember that people call G-Reco numbers disappointing for a Gundam anime but its okay for IBO niw?

>>13684431
00 was the last Gundam show to get dubbed
People who aren't fans of a genre are likely to get into it because someone who has made something they like is involved like with Kamen Rider Gaim and Urobuchi, I don't recall any other Gundam series using shirtless sweaty men in the promo video leading up to it.

>>13684264
>Remember that first volumes always sale the highest so 9k is the peak.
That's just week 1 though. Usually week 2 can add at least 1-3k more.

>>13684441
>00 was the last Gundam show to get dubbed
AGE and GBF were dubbed...in the Philippines.

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>>13684441

No, casuals really don't give a fuck. Sunrise has always catered to fujoshits, dumbfuck.

>>13684452
Yeah they do as shown by Gaim. People who never watched Rider before got into it because he was in charge of Gaim. Sunrise has never had sweaty shirtless men in promo videos working out when advertising a Gundam show. No one gives a fuck about a magazine scan. I'm talking about the actual advertising for the show that every fucking body would see.

>>13684468

Nobody who actually affected the sales got into gaim though, gaim is for kids.

>No one gives a fuck about a magazine scan

Are you seriously this retarded?

>>13684439

I would assume that was when the numbers going around were at 4k, not at 10k.

>>13684474
>Nobody who actually affected the sales got into gaim though, gaim is for kids.

You're out of your mind. Gaim sold so damn well that it's still getting material to this day in the form of movies and role play gear and figures.

>Are you seriously this retarded?

You're the one comparing a magazine scan to a promo video. That's fucking retarded. The first thing people saw when they watched the IBO promos were shirtless guys sweating and working out.

>>13684468

Wing aired in 90s, the internet was not a big thing. Magazines were incredibly important for advertising to the audience, and they still have a lot of traction today. The fact that the muscular shirtless stuff is in a TV promo not in Magazine promo is just a sign of changing ways for the audience to be informed. It doesn't mean anything fundamentally different is going on concerning targeted marketing.

You're painting IBO's presentation as unusual when it isn't.

>>13684480
They said it was a disappointment 10k because apparently every Gundam anime has sold the same amount as SEED and 00 and Tomino's name should be a big attraction despite the fact that he hasn't had a hit TV anime since ZZ before G-Reco.

>>13684485

Gaim sold well because it covered a large audience. The story was engaging for people who wanted something serious, there were many attractive actors, and the gimmick was fun and easy to sell because of the novelty.

People didn't take to Gaim because of Gen, they took to it because of what Gen did for it.

>>13684449
Wait, the voice actors were Aussies though right?

>>13684491

> magazines
> have a lot of traction today

What planet are you living on?

>>13684572

The planet that has Japan on it, shit-for-brains.

>>13684491
You're pretending that Wing didn't have TV spots. The damn bluray comes with the TV spots that advertise the show. It certainly didn't have Heero half naked and sweating. That magazine scan doesn't mean shit in the end because we don't even know when it was released The point is Wing didn't advertise the show before it aired with sweaty naked men.

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>>13684593

You are kidding right? I mean, we can look up numbers for that shit pretty easily and anime magazines do shit numbers in Japan. Animage, which is one of the bigger publications is only pushing 50, 000 copies a month or so. In a country with a population of 127 million odd. America has a roughly similar population number and has hockey magazines that sell double that despite it not even being one of America's national sports. You can find that number with a simple Google by the way.

>>13670716
>How long until Sunrise decides to go full Kyoryuger?
You mean build fighters or it's G-reco?

>>13684618
>America has a roughly similar population number
>As of December 2, 2015, the United States has a total resident population of 322,267,564, making it the third most populous country in the world. [1]
You can find that number with a simple Google by the way.

>>13684613

More semantics. It's just a different form of advertisement.

>>13684623
I mean aside from Plamo Kyoshiro Mk. 3 and Silly Tomino. Imagine if the next official AU simply cuts loose with the silliness.

>>13684637

Hah, you're right. I must have been getting it mixed up with another country I had looked the population numbers up on recently so obviously. Teach me to not double check it before shooting off my mouth. Anime magazines are still pretty much irrelevant and have shit numbers these days regardless.

>>13684618

Right, but back in the 90s they were much more popular since the net hadn't taken off. They're still around today, which is why I said they still had some traction.

>>13684658

Oh yea, definitely in the 90s they'd have been a very popular way of getting information on a lot of subjects but they're much less relevant today because the same information can be gotten cheaper and easier using the internet. I wouldn't surprised if there's basically no major magazines left in print in a few decades because the medium just doesn't have any real positives anymore.

>>13684671

How's Newtype doing?

>>13684725

It's not even listed on that site with a few years, so I cannot image it's doing well. It used to be. It no longer is. It's almost definitely because the numbers are so low as to not be worth tracking.

>>13684618
Is this every magazine or just monthlies? Gundam Ace doesn't seem to be up.

>>13670551
>salesfagging a Gundam show
I don't even like IBO but come on, at least post Gunpla sales figures. That's what actually matters.

>>13684791

Gundam Ace is a manga magazine so it'd be listed under a different category.

>>13672991
I can't imagine kit sales have been very big yet, as the show has only introduced mechs that have something to do with the plot in some way, and not just shoe-horned in every ep for toys adverts.

So it's a good show, but the sales of kits probably won't take off until the dust has settled and the show is over.

>>13685516
Yeah the fucking one off Grazes that did nothing and Hammerhead having three different looking MS sure were necessary.

>>13684410
Yeah, but check out AnoHana sales figures and report since when Tomino didn't have such big hit.
I think you will have to dig until CCA.

>>13684647
>Anime magazines are still pretty much irrelevant and have shit numbers these days regardless.
The fact that some of them lasted more than 10 years is impressive by itself though.

I really wonder how this will do in the west. It didn't respond well to SEED's melodrama and kids will be bored by the lack of robots. With some of the early stuff I'm not even sure they could air it. I've also noticed that modern shows which do well were popular before dub etc, but judging the reaction to IBO is hard. It seems mostly positive other places but has few talking about it

>>13684436
Turn A is still a very cult show though. Putting it out doesn't help more than just attaching Tomino's name

If I remember correctly for games as well only the g-self got put in breaker 2 as post release dlc (when the game came out while airing ). In comparison Barbatos is put on centre stage for breaker 3 promo ad

>>13684725
>>13684791

You can check the results yourself at: http://www.j-magazine.or.jp/magadata/?module=list&action=list

It's a public Japanese website that collates all the magazine circulation numbers and information. You'll have to constantly get Google to translate pages, but it's easy enough to navigate from there. Just pick the time period you want and then the category of magazine. I couldn't find Gundam Ace hunting around on it, even when searching it's Japanese title, so it may not be listed for some reason (the owners may simply not have provided the information to put it in), but Newtype is there until the beginning of this year. Prior to that point it was doing pretty good numbers, relative to anime magazines anyways, with roughly 50 to 60 thousand copies selling, though it's down from a few years back when it was shifting 80 thousand or so. They must have stopped giving the numbers for this year or something to say it's no longer there.

>>13685813
Ano Hana was 4 years ago dumbass and since then neither of them has had a hit of that magnitude, hell Okada was involved with M3 the lowest selling anime of all time.

>>13685860
>breaker 2
Who gives a shit? Its front lining the more popular EXVS.

>>13686302
>Ano Hana was 4 years ago
And CCA almost 30 years ago.

>>13686383
CCA was a movie retard

>>13686392
Okay. So not counting CCA we have to go back to Zeta. Better yet.

>>13686383
What does have to do with anything? Also good job ignoring the fact thatshe was behind M3.

>>13686374
> front lining
It isn't. It had a small part in advertising the vita game which is a side game at best. Only 2 suits as well. The Barbatos has been pushed as much in advertising that

>>13686397
>she
Nah, I think Junichi Sato was the actual brains there. If M3 gets any love later on (assuming it even gets in SRW), it'll be via his name attached to it.

>>13686422
......she wrote M3.

>>13686396
Except ZZ performed well.

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>>13686414
>not front lining

You can shut the fuck up now. Also first DLC for both Force and Maxi ON is the Mack Knife.

>The Barbatos has been pushed as much in advertising that

Nope only as a promo code DLC

>>13686430

As did several of his non-Gundam works in the 80s that followed after Zeta/ZZ like Dunbine.

>>13686426
Yes, but Sato is the director. Without a director that's at least somewhat capable enough at putting a leash on, Okada shenanigans happen.

So, let me get this straight. IBO is pulling in similar numbers to G-Reco while airing in a much better timeslot. Likewise, it's initial home media sales are in the same range but were being sold at half price. Bandai expects IBO to sell well while it had no faith in G-Reco, and has used Barbatos more in advertising new games while the show is still airing, something it never did for the G-Self.

Sounds about right?

>>13687401
Basically.

>>13684414
no shut up mine is better

Clearly the solution is to rehash more Universal Century.

>>13684436
I don't really understand how Turn A coming out at the same time would increase G Reco's BD sales. They weren't bundled together.

>>13687401
And IBO is already confirmed for receiving a dub in English and is available the same day as it airs in Japan on an easily accessible YouTube channel.

Banrise just really wants to push IBO.

>>13687507
Or make a SEED sequel that retcons Destiny a la Halloween H20.

>>13687507
The problem is they're trying not to get newbies into UC, because it's an exercise in futility at this point. That continuity is too large for them to get invested in.

>>13687522
He never said that was the case.

>>13687401
It also had an Op from one of the more popular bands

>>13687416
So what happens if it does worse than G-Reco? Do we get people defending it by saying it's more popular in America? That places like ANN/MAL/MAHQ and their anime critics like it better? Or do they blame G-Reco for driving away viewers?

Any word as of yet why this isn't going over with Japanese viewers?

>>13689895
People will use those wrong greco numbers, say it is good anyway, say they don't mater gunpla does and possibly quote the western sales of both (though honestly I doubt IBO will sell much more than the undubbed Greco blurays)

Also people will say "WELL it has problems, BUT t least it isn't Greco cus the drama was good!" That's all other places talk about, the kiss and then some will say the funeral was nice because fuck all else is there

>Any word as of yet why this isn't going over with Japanese viewers?
the ratings have dropped and are not great for the slot

>>13670551
This moght be a sogn the show is really good. Thank you, gonna wait for blu-rays.

>>13690393
I find it amusing people still try to say Cross Ange was a hit while G-Reco was a flop despite the former having noticeably lower sales.

>>13691064
The former was surely cheaper to make than the latter though.

>>13691100
Knowing Fukuda? Both shows probably have the same budget at start.

G-Reco supposedly only got a bit of a budget increases towards the latter half of the season when the show got higher than expected ratings.
Tomino is a stickler for budgets, one reason why the show never had a proper OP animation.

>>13690393
The wrong numbers for G-Reco get reposted a lot.

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>>13691271
At least everyone here knows they are wrong as the fact is/was discussed a lot. Somewhere like MAL you can say Tomino hated Greco cause it failed horribly and slapped Noredo's voice actor for not having a lickable enough vagina and they would actually believe it

>>13691168
Greco really showed what a guy experienced with budgets can do. Only towards the end did any obvious QUALITY show up

>>13691397
I haven't actually heard anything about G-Reco's budget. Was it average for an airing show?

>>13691417
I don't think we ever got a solid figure but judging by the show generally being sidelined and the gunpla being lower quality than others coming out at the same time I can't imagine an above average amount was put into the the project

>>13691397
>>13691437
>>13691417

Budget limits are way overstimated when judging shows, One Punch Man looked good because it had very experienced animators working on it from all the main Japanese studios, despite having a normal budget.
Damn Naruto too had some very good looking arcs at times because of experienced animators guest directing despite it being fucking studio pierrot.

G-Reco looked good because it had the Sunrise veterans working on it, the same guys that are doing the spectacle that is Thunderbolt.

>>13691168
>Knowing Fukuda? Both shows probably have the same budget at start.
Probably. SEED had 3x larger budget than the average anime, Destiny 4x, and they both are full of stock/reused footage (and lots of QUALITY in regards to the broadcast versions)

>>13691397

To be fair, you could say that Tomino slapped Noredo's VA for not having a lickable enough pussy here and half the board would probably believe you. Or at least they'd keep saying it like it was a great joke every time Noredo came up regardless of whether they believed it so that the outcome was the same.

>>13691457

One Punch Man also looked as good as it did because the staff that were on it were extremely passionate about the project and put in a lot of extra work to make it look as good as possible. Experience is definitely a major element, but passion is a large part of it too.

>>13670551
Does it matter, though? They get their revenue through Gunpla and merchandise anyways than ratings.

>>13693656
Yup, but ratings and dvd/bd sales give us an idea of how big it is over there. And we'll never get our hands on the gunpla numbers, so this and how shows are treated in crossover games is practically all some people have.

Is there any record of BF Try's ratings?

>>13693704
*8.06% 1993 ガンバレ!SDガンダム大行進
*6.60% 1985 機動戦士aガンダム
*6.12% 1986 機動戦士ガンダムaa (*6.1276%)
*6.12% 2002 機動戦士ガンダムSEED (*6.1240%)
*5.41% 2004 機動戦士ガンダムSEED DESTINY
*5.32% 1979 機動戦士ガンダム
*4.84% 2007 機動戦士ガンダムOO
*4.47% 2008 機動戦士ガンダムOO 2nd season
*4.25% 1995 新機動戦記ガンダムW
*4.11% 1994 機動武闘伝Gガンダム
*3.89% 1993 機動戦士Vガンダム
*3.10% 2000 G-SAVIOUR
*2.99% 1999 ∀ガンダム
*2.75% 1996 機動新世紀ガンダムX (前半*3.51% 後半*1.21%)
*2.56% 2011 機動戦士ガンダムAGE (フリット編*3.22% アセム編*2.33% キオ編*2.25% 三世代編2.23%)
*2.09% 2004 SDガンダムフォース
*2.05% 2010 SDガンダム三国伝 BraveBattleWarriors
*1.80% 2014 ガンダムGのレコンギスタ
*1.64% 2013 ガンダムビルドファイターズ
*1.42% 2014 ガンダムビルドファイターズトライ

Every Gundam series up to now.

>>13693790
> 2.61 IBO
> 2.56 AGE

Holy shit that's close.

>>13687401
This is also the company that gave priority to Sacred Seven instead of Tiger & Bunny.

>>13693790
inb4 totally out of context spamming of G-Reco's broadcast ratings.

>>13691417
All Gundam series presumably have relatively large budgets for reasons I shouldn't have to explain.

>>13693656
The series that get the brunt of Gunpla attention (which would imply they sell well) sold 20k+ on their first DVD or BD release.

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>>13693790
thanks canada

I truly can't understand the hate for IBO found here.

I've only watched up to like Episode 8 of this show, and I actually liked what I saw of it. Can anyone explain to me why the show is bombing so hard?

2ch voted it the number 12 show of the year. G-Reco isn't even in the top 50.

>>13694226
unlike /a/ we dont have enough porn and waifu threads to drown out the shit post threads

>>13694240
>I've only watched up to like Episode 8 of this show, and I actually liked what I saw of it. Can anyone explain to me why the show is bombing so hard?

Well, parents don't like it after Mika executed prisoners, and it's not appealing to children with it's slow pacing and just how dark it is. G-Reco, Build Fighters and Try were made for children and it shows, and now they're trying to sell those same children IBO.

>>13694243
cool, you can go back to your thread now

>>13694291
I'll see you there

>>13694240
Generational AUs depend on catching the fancy of the middle to high schoolers of that time period, roughly speaking. IBO either came a few years too late to hits its target or just missed the mark entirely which leaves it in mostly irrelevant AU land.

And most AUs kind of suck dick if they aren't your first exposure or something you're watching with already established expectations.

>>13694316
You gotta wonder where they are gonna go from here. IBO missed the mark and they put a whole lot into it. It was in development for years. It's not doing terrible but it isn't taking the world by storm like they probably expected. It didn't do SEED or even 00 numbers.

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>>13694341

>>13694358
That's just a short OVA. Not even full length episodes. It'll do well but it isn't going to attract too many new fans. It's UC fanservice that requires you to read a manga to understand.
Since no one knew about IBO until it was announced they could be hiding a ton of stuff that they are working on.

>>13694378
maybe they wont fuck up buildfighters this time

>>13693656
To use the very unscientific method of shit I've seen around the internet, many have bought the Barbatos, a good deal have bought the normal Graze, only kai and Char variant also sort of selling, a small number of Guison (might be because just out) and literally never seen someone post a Man Rodi

>>13694341
If it does as well as BF it has a chance of a season 2, but with Okada being involved with other products and the general hype dying down with only the kiss to discuss I feel it might just be sidelined. I think it will be remembered as a successful series but not a big deal

I also doubt the slow pace, lack of fights and melodrama will get it popular in the west. In general series which will be successful here were very popular while it aired in Japan and being aviable here at the same time should make that even easier. If you compare it to something like OPM the amount of people talking/reblogging stuff etc IBO just gets blown out the water. If they wanted the western market they should have pushed thunderbolt as a proper series or larger OVA

>>13694378
I was supposed to read the manga? It doesn't seem too complex.
Seems like a revenge story with some weirdly advanced tech (for 0079) in it.

I love it when you guys pretend to know what you're talking about.

Does the pacing in IBO seem off? We have slice of life episodes, but the main character development within feels very, very thin. It's 13 episodes in and Mikazuki has very little character to him other than "I kill people and it is my job" and Orga is just a mentor/brother figure without a distinct personality.
It's weird to see a series where the supporting cast are the most fleshed out and relatable.

>>13694811
Thing is that most people in the west who like Gundam have already seen it. I doubt too many people are waiting for the western release to watch it. Those who love it will buy it but I don't see that much discussion for it as you just said. No one talks about this shit on mecha forums. There is no way in hell it'll do as well as BF. BF not only sold kits from its own series it retroactively sold kits from older series like the Gyan and Noble. BF was introducing new suits every single episode and had a battle of some kind in every single episode to excite people. IBO doesn't even feel like a mech show at times.
IBO needs to be on Toonami to reach casuals if they want it to do a lot better in the west. You already have hardcores who will buy it simply because they want more Gundam in the west. The same reason a lot of people are saying they'll buy Vs Force despite it being shit. They feel that if they buy Vs Force, we'll eventually get Maxi Boost.
I think Origin getting a full length anime would have been good for Gundam in the west or even having the original BF on tv. BF is kid friendly and could air after Pokemon or something while the Origin manga did better than Bandai expected in the west.

>>13694845
>Does the pacing in IBO seem off?
Obviously. Look at these last three episodes. How did they effect the plot? I guess they got a new mobile suit.

>>13694853
>IBO needs to be on Toonami to reach casuals if they want it to do a lot better in the west.
Toonami is irrelevant. It continuously loses time on it's slot and hasn't made any show popular since it's original run. Anyone who wants IBO can get it easily of free streaming services which it has been heavily pushed on said sites, that's more than some very popular series in the west like KLK got

>>13694811
Thunderbolt's content is too shit for anything bigger. Doing a small OVA like this alllows them to focus on the designs and gritty style that gave it attention without dealing with the crap plot and general dumbfuckery.

>>13694897
>Thunderbolt's content is too shit for anything bigger
Quality of show doesn't always factors into popularity, it just has to fit the concept of what people want and have something to keep people interested. The "realism" gets westerners hard. IBO fails at this cause despite the concepts being ones westerns could like the actual show is dull to the core. It would have to be changed a lot to be popular in the west. Thunderbolt has more shit westerns would like, even simple stuff like the older protagonists with actual military backgrounds instead of little kids. Yeah the manga's story the fluff it has would get it by

>>13694921
Why would you throw that money down the shitter just to appeal to Americans when you could make something actually good and appeal to everyone?

>>13694929
>make something actually good and appeal to everyone?
That isn't how things work. A shit product can just as easily appeal to people, go look at popular shows on /a/. Plus nips like thunderbolt, that's why it has got an adaptation

>appeal to Americans
They have been pushing gundam more and more in the west the past few years. IBO is meant to be one of them when Thunderbolt would likely appeal more. The west ate up 8thMS and 0083 despite them having shit stories

>>13694939
>IBO is aimed at Americans
>everyone and everything in it is Japanese and the Gunpla boxes have the most Japanese in decades
Might want to rethink that one.

>>13694954
Yeah, if it was aimed at Americans it would be more action packed and patriotic instead of slow and full of family talk. This show is definitely aimed at Japan which is why it is full of people talking about having babies which Japan desperately needs. Wasn't that mentioned during the reveal event? The whole baby thing?

>>13694954
>everyone and everything in it is Japanese
That's not true at all. The Japanese part of the Mafia guy even stood out as you don't see that elsewhere in the show apart from the sword which the Mafia supplied

Also I didn't say aimed. I said it was part of the push that they have been making with Gundam in the west. Being put on streaming services shows that

>>13694966
> you don't see that elsewhere in the show apart
Head honcho of the faction Kudelia was gonna meet with is Japanese too.

>>13693790

*8.06% 1993 ガンバレ!SDガンダム大行進 (I'm assuming this is the original series of SD Gundam shorts, but I'm not sure)
*6.60% 1985 Mobile Suit Zeta Gundam
*6.12% 1986 Mobile Suit Gundam ZZ (*6.1276%)
*6.12% 2002 Mobile Suit Gundam SEED (*6.1240%)
*5.41% 2004 Mobile Suit Gundam SEED Destiny
*5.32% 1979 Mobile Suit Gundam
*4.84% 2007 Mobile Suit Gundam OO
*4.47% 2008 Mobile Suit Gundam OO 2nd season
*4.25% 1995 New Mobile Report Gundam W
*4.11% 1994 Mobile Fighter G Gundam
*3.89% 1993 Mobile Suit Victory Gundam
*3.10% 2000 G-SAVIOUR
*2.99% 1999 Turn-A Gundam
*2.75% 1996 After War Gundam X (Original timeslot *3.51%, changed timeslot *1.21%)
*2.56% 2011 Mobile Suit Gundam AGE (First Generation *3.22%, Second Generation, *2.33% Third Generation, *2.25% Combined Generation 2.23%)
*2.09% 2004 SD Gundam Force
*2.05% 2010 SD Gundam Legend of the Three Kingdoms Brave Battle Warriors
*1.80% 2014 Gundam Reconguista in G
*1.64% 2013 Gundam Build Fighters
*1.42% 2014 Gundam Build Fighters Try

I think that's what everything means to save people a bit of time and bother. I have no idea of Japanese though, so someone who does might spot something wrong and correct me. I find it funny that ZZ has such high ratings despite it's bad reputation and would love to know why X was given a new timeslot now, because it appeared to be doing pretty respectably in it's original one. I recall someone here years ago saying something on the subject (beyond the usual it was shit or failing due to audience fatigue so they shafted it), but I cannot recall what off the top of my head. And also that Build Fighters and Try did even worse than AGE in terms of ratings.

>>13694171

I wonder if someone has the sales numbers for DVDs/Blurays for all Gundam series like the above ratings numbers.

>>13695280
X didn't move Gunpla and was down nearly a whole point from Wing in ratings. If you noticed. X didn't get shit for Gunpla even back then. Ashatron didn't even get a 1/100 and only one Virsago did. They never made Bertigo or anything else either. The Airmaster and Leopard were seen as Wing knockoffs and the X had a similar gimmick to the Wing (big gun). It was seemingly trying to ride Wings coattails but if they were going to do that they should have just made more Wing.

>>13691397
>Somewhere like MAL you can say Tomino hated Greco cause it failed horribly and slapped Noredo's voice actor for not having a lickable enough vagina and they would actually believe it
im going to push this

>>13695329
Go right ahead, I've screencapped this post. If in 3 months it becomes a common rumor I'll be laughing my ass off at the stupidity of MAL.

>>13695336
Oh im not going to post it on MAL, i'm making /m/ like it.

>>13695377
Even better, it'll just cement /m/'s gullibility, inability to fact check and the idea that they really will argue over anything.

>>13694966
>Tekkadan
>Isaribi
>Itsuka
>Mikazuki
>Akihito
>Tataki
>Shino
>Yamada
>Yukinojo
>Fumitan
>Tomomi
>Sakura
>Maruba
>Saisai
>Haeda
>Todo
>Naze
>Amida
>Masahiro
>Hyakuren
>Hyakuri
>Kutan
>Saisei
>pre-WWII Japanese values on polygamy and family definition
>Teiwaz is literally the space mafia, including the way they recruit lost young people, refer to other members by family roles, and have fucking nipnong ceremonies
>Buddhism for some fucking reason

>>13696336
>mafia
Damn it yakuza. But the way Orga and Naze talk to each other is stereotypically yakuza anyways.

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>>13696336
>>Buddhism for some fucking reason

>>13696357
>Light mortar rocket launcher that fires projectiles with depleted uranium tips"

I, what....what...

>>13696336

IBO is Japanese as hell (far more than the usual Gundam show) and you have to be an idiot to deny that. Hell, even the title is based on the name Tekketsu Kinnotai, a Japanese "volunteer" unit made up of middle school students that were forced to launch suicide attacks during the battle of Okinawa.

>>13696399
Well it's definitely mumbo jumbo calling a mortar a rocket launcher, but it brings to mind the LOSAT, which was a surface to surface anti tank missile that used a KE penetrator as opposed to HEAT.

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>>13696404
t-thanks Axis powers

>>13670703

Oricon didn't count the first volumes special edition so there were a lot of unaccounted Amazon sales until volume 2 came out.

Overall it did ok and the gunpla sales caught Bandai off guard so they had to scramble and make kits near the tale end of its run.

>>13696404
>IBO is Japanese as hell
>Japanese show written by a japanese team for the japanese market is japanese as hell

Wow, that's like... pretty novel?

>>13696548
You may be surprised how very little of the franchise is purely Japanese, hell Amuro is Canadian, Turn A takes place in Industrial 20's America, G-Reco in South America, 00 is largely inspired by post 911, etc.

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>>13696570
>Amuro is Canadian
So what's all this dropping colonies aboot,eh?

>>13696570
wing is probably europe
X is detroit
what would that make G?

>>13672140
>War dirt fag status
[]Not Told
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>Interesting setting fag status
[]Not Told
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[] Vindication

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>>13696577
>Amuro is voiced by a Canadian in th 0079 TV dub
>Fraw has a Spanish accent in the movie dub
>Bright is British in the movie dub

>>13696570
Amuro is ethnically Japanese and by the TV series Japanese by birth, but there's still only about 4 Japanese people in MSG and then about zero in the rest of Tomino UC (the old OVA protagonists are all Japanese because herp derp though). Just the Hyaku Shiki and maybe the kanji on Glemy's Bawoo.

I imagine the exotic foreign aspect of Gundam is somewhat significant to its popularity, even most Japanese characters have had their name in western katakana formats (which was particularly jarring in Build Fighters mind you)

Space in IBO is like more ethnically Japanese than Orb.

>>13696581
>what would that make G?
FUCK YEAH JAPAN!

Just like SEED.

I always found Setsuna's codename to be a take that against the idea that a Gundam protagonist had to be Japanese.

>>13696581
>what would that make G?
International. Domon was purely Japanese but it was globe trotting adventure.

>>13696610
>Just like SEED.
Can't get anymore Japanese than KIRA YAMATO though everything about SEED's plot and setting is an allegory to Japan as a whole.

>>13696570
>You may be surprised how very little of the franchise is purely Japanese
0083 was pretty much wartime vs postwar Japan IN SPEES and structurally the result of its authors having worked in a purely japanese
genre for a long time.

>Turn A takes place in Industrial 20's America
...in a community that practices japanese folk religious festivals and doesn't care about skin-colour at all, yes. Very American.

>G-Reco in South America
G-Reco wasn't particularily subtle about how it's poking fun at Bunrakumin issues and the government's move to change the peace constitution. The Kuntala then weren't nonwhite but people who acted too much like japanese cartoon heros.

>00 is largely inspired by post 911
00's more in line with SEED, only with the prettyboy suffering turned up to 11.

>>13696581
>>13696616
Takarazuka's been doing the globetrotting through stereotypes for a long time already. No idea if japanese wrestling's into that as well.

>>13696336
This actually adds to how much more generic IBO. Like as >>13696570 points out Gundam actually has a huge diversity in, well everything to do with it. But most anime forces everything Japanese no mater how oddly it fits, kinda like how america has to remake shows for their audience as seeing something foreign finally brings on that bypass.

A lot of stuff in IBO feels like it is done for sales rather than a crafted world, like that blonde and brown haired guy that only exist to be sort of gay to each other.

>>13696650
There are going to be small elements that do creep in but you are just lying if you say Gundam doesn't take in a lot of different stuff from around the world and especially in UC has a feeling of a hugely mixed culture

>japanese folk religious festivals
What, the floats or Red Team acting like sort of native Americans? Also you really can't argue that Turn A isn't full to the brim of industrial American stuff

>poking fun at Bunrakumin issues and the government's move to change the peace constitution.
Both messages that apply to pretty much every country.

>00's more in line with SEED
No, 00 is inspired by the world after 9/11

>>13696650
>...in a community that practices japanese folk religious festivals and doesn't care about skin-colour at all, yes.
The coming of age ceremony has nothing to do with Japanese folk religion also minorities from the north weren't segregated to the same extent as the ones in the south, Loran was still a houseworker for the Heim family like most minorities who went up North to fine work went into high class families as butlers and what not and you're blatantly ignoring the industrial aesthetic to in all.

You're confusing themes with aesthetics, G-Reco primarily took place in South America and had a cast a various nations the only purely Japanese character was Happa.

>00's more in line with SEED
Not even close, the show doesn't take place in Japan nor is Japan ruling most of the world. Saiji and Billy are the only Japanese characters and Graham was an admitted weeb, the show doesn't take any political commentary from Japan either whereas everything from SEED is one huge markup on Japanese policies and how they effect the characters inly instead of it being a country focus issue its the entire world.

>>13696674
>Both messages that apply to pretty much every country.
Yes, because constitutions that explicitly forbid countries from taking military actions outside of their borders are common globally.

>No, 00 is inspired by the world after 9/11
Anon, the Americans in 00 didn't even attack Marina's homeland in retaliations for space robots blowing up a few of their next gen fighters.

>What, the floats or Red Team acting like sort of native Americans? Also you really can't argue that Turn A isn't full to the brim of industrial American stuff
You do realize that US coming-of-age rites usually are centered around college or the backseats of cars, right?

>>13696712
There is a difference between something relating to Japan and outright being Japanese.

>>13696712
>countries forcing military and having a racist past they haven't gotten over yet
yeah, that never happens anywhere but japan

>Anon, the Americans in 00 didn't even attack Marina's homeland
You know "inspired by the world after 9/11" doesn't mean copied the events 100% right?

>You do realize that US coming-of-age rites usually are centered around college or the backseats of cars, right?
Can you name the japanese on that orders leeches and fucking on a mountain? Also 1920s anon, you are thinking of more the 40s on

>>13696696
>The coming of age ceremony has nothing to do with Japanese folk religion also minorities from the north weren't segregated to the same extent as the ones in the south, Loran was still a houseworker for the Heim family like most minorities who went up North to fine work went into high class families as butlers and what not and you're blatantly ignoring the industrial aesthetic to in all.

The architecture show in that one could be found in Berlin, Shanghai, Manila and Japan, surprisingly enough. There's nothing "American" about the style. And likewise, Loran's experience is a global one for people of his assumed class within that period of economic history as well.

>>13696720
>You know "inspired by the world after 9/11" doesn't mean copied the events 100% right?

The 9/11 world didn't have three roughly equal power blocks who quickly united into a world government to battle space invaders. It had the global hegemon attacking a country it had been besieging for over a decade to appease it's ruler's Napoleon complex.

The result of it wasn't the foundation of a global polity either, but terrorism spreading like wildfire and a whole host of non-aligned nations collapsing into civil wars.

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>>13696726
>There's nothing "American" about the style.

You're delusional.

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>Gundam is Japanese

You know, upon retrospect G was less FUCK YEAH JAPAN than SEED. I mean, with SEED Fukuda admitted ORB is his idealized Japan, A Japan whose idea of racial acceptance involves immigrants, including those who are fleeing a war, to follow it's ways. A Japan where the elected government holds little power compared to the royal families, and marrying into the Athha's will give you control over the nation's military. A Japan which would have had it's neutral status revoked many times by real world laws. A Japan where it's leader puts his ideals over his citizen's well-being.

We're supposed to ignore all that and buy into the narrative that it's so great and the world needs to believe in what it believes in. Domon wasn't perfect, parts of Neo-Japan turned out to be bad guys, and Domon had allies from all over the world to fight alongside him.

The show that people say resorts to racist stereotypes vs.SEED which is supposed to have an anti-racism message. G did it a lot better.

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>>13696753

>>13696753
I think that is partly cause SEED/Destiny are a badly thought out

>>13696753
Anon, UNDERSTANDING/BEFRIENDING through beating each other in the face is a pretty normal trope in martial arts series.

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>>13696581
G sort of takes that weird racist but not racist thing that Street Fighter has

Everyone is a stereotype but in a fun way that going look how weird, great and cool this is. There is no mean spiritedness behind it and they are making as much fun of themselves as anyone else

>>13694341
Defrost the old man and let him lose
Make more UC adaptations.


How about letting Mikimoto adapt some of his gundam shit?

>>13694341
IBO is pretty interesting, but the writers really fucking dropped the ball on every character that isn't Mika or Orga.

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>>13696753
ERUPTING BURNING UNDERSTANDING!
BAKUNETSU GOD UNDERSTANDING

I will always love G

>>13696404
>Okada pushing pre WWII values

All the old anime directors and writers must want her dead about now.

>>13696847
>Mika
He's barely done shit, he's only just started his development

>Orga
Having every plan succeed well but then "yeah but bad leader and family" "oh no I wasn't family enough even though I always have been" is not good writing

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>>13696847
>Mika
>Orga
>interesting

>>13696855
G Gundam is one of the best animes of all time. IBO will never surpass it.

>>13696858
Otaku generally love that shit tho.

>>13696916
And we all know who hates otakus.

Even Anno hates them and himself deep down.