The Force Awakens

>>13636791
>>THEY HAVE A FUCKING EJECTOR PARACHUTE SEAT
Couldn't they just use jet packs?

>TIE
>reentry
>parachute
this is some bullshit

>>13636802
Well, they had 30 years to somehow modify TIE.

>>13636791
>30 years later
>not mass-producing TIE Interceptors
First Order a shit.

>>13636802

Wait til you see the bit where the Falcon bounces on its shields against the ground during a chase.

>>13636808
>not producing TIE Defenders

>>13636808
>>13636921

I guess they just had so many TIE frames left over it was cheaper to modify them than produce new machines. I don't think I saw more than one Star Destroyer either, it's possible the Order is a small-scale operation compared to the Empire.

There's a very short shot of some walkers in the distance, they looked like AT-ATs with different heads.

>>13636809
>the Falcon bounces on its shields against the ground during a chase.

this sounds horrible

>>13636939

Han's huge-ass freighter was pretty cool though. It reminded me of Red Dwarf.

>>13636791
Everyone will understand the joke you made tomorrow.

>>13637068

I hope so, I thought about it really hard!

>>13636802
Aftermath already confirmed ejector seats in the classic TIEs.

>>13637076
I had to think about it for a second, then chuckled.

>>13636809
>shields protect against massive impacts and not just weaponry
>the shield generator somehow doesn't tear itself straight through the ship
I hate this meme.

>>13636921
Weren't TIE Defenders rather costly?

I do agree though they should have at least produced/upgraded a few for their elite forces. They'd look pretty sex in that First Order color scheme.

>>13636791
>Phasma got the shaft.
;_;7

D R O P P E D
R
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Did Nux, Hero of the Empire, die too?

>>13637340
I don't think either of them are dead. The Phasma thing seemed too jokey to be a killing off situation and Hux fled before shit went to hell.

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>>13637340

>masked villain looks sick as shit and is hyped up to be a hyper-competent badass
>gets like two lines the whole movie
>foregone conclusions

Gee, that sure sounds familiar.

>>13637340
Her actress confirmed she will appear in Episode VIII, don't lose hope, anon.
Now, I wonder if she will at least take the helmet off. Otherwise, what is the purpose of inviting that actress from GoT to play her usual stock character of powerful woman.

Such a shame literally everything else about this movie was mediocre at best.

Then again, who expected more from it?

>>13637370
A lot of people are calling it a "remake" of the 1977 Star Wars; saying that Abrams went for nostalgia and played it safe.

Others are buttblasted that Mara Jade isn't in it.

>>13637417
>played it safe.
More like, played it completely unoriginal and boring.

In other words, way too safe.

>>13637417

I'm glad Mara Jade is gone for good. She was an awful character.

>>13637435
Agreed. Instead, we got Ray who's all about gurrll powah and is just plain looking.

At least Mara was enjoyable to look at.

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>>13637340
>D R O P P E D
Yeah, literally.

>>13637370
Boba was quite competent in ESB.

>>13637417
There definitely is a remake-ish vibe in the movie to some extent, but I think that while it certainly plays up similarities to the original trilogy, it also manages to be its own movie.

The Holiday Special seems to be even deeper in "not canon" territory, since the movie sort of played Chewie as an interspecies ladies man and I doubt they'd make him an adulterer.

>>13637428
>>13637435
Didn't see it yet. Some Star Wars fanboys got pretty mad when I call the expanded universe books "fanfiction" though.

>>13637462
Overall, albeit for not being allowed to do a whole lot.

I mean, the most that can be said for him is Vader telling him no killing and then he lies in wait to track the Falcon. Otherwise, he's just haggling with Vader on Cloud City for the rest of the movie.

>>13637462
He was great in the Star Wars Holiday Special!

>>13637468
Well they were.

Some of them, like Thrawn Trilogy were just very good Fan Fiction.

>>13637468
Call it what you like, I don't care, but Thrawn Trilogy would've made for a way better sequel trilogy than what Disney's exhaust is already shaping up to be.

>>13637503
Had they made these back in the 90s, maybe.

As it is, too much time has passed to expect Hamill, Ford, and Fisher to play out what those stories expected of them.

>>13637503
Thrawn trilogy was better than all three prequels combined, that's for sure.

>>13637510
Jewsnay could've easily cast someone new for these roles.
Oh wait, that's Jewsnay we're talking about

>>13637354
Picked back up.

>>13637602
Good.
Watch it for stuff like this scene: https://a.pomf.cat/yxfofz.webm

>>13637517

A lot of things are better than the prequels.

My sister was really into the books and had a big hissy fit that Disney killed Jania and her story, even to the effect of wanting to boycott the new movies. Any way I can be a good brother and save her from her own salt?

>>13637745
Now that's it's been proven Disney doesn't care about making Star Wars interesting in any way... no, I'm afraid you can't

>>13637797

Define 'interesting'.

Is it watching Jake Lloyd burble 'Now THIS is podracing!' on repeat?

>>13637745
Tell her that they killed the EU to harvest its corpse.

>>13637800
I'd rather tell you what ISNT interesting: a complete (and rather bland) rehash of Episode IV sure wasn't enjoyable

>>13637745
I can't guarantee that this will work, but try telling her that if the stories are something she truly enjoys, it doesn't matter whether they are canon or not. Not having new material produced for something you like sucks, but it's not the end of the world and doesn't mean you can't like something else, even if it is the thing that replaced what you love. This is pretty much exactly what I went through as a kid when I realised the novels and the Dark Horse comics had rendered the Marvel comics non-canonical.

>>13637818

Then fix it for us.

I'm all ears.

>>13637828
It doesn't happen.

Poof.

Fixed it for you all.

>>13636936
Consider it the Zanscare or Sleeves.

>>13637834

Yeah, and what would you like to happen in its place, you salty sander?

That's kind of what I meant.

>>13637851
>and what would you like to happen in its place
Thrawn Trilogy, for example.

But I would be equally ok with "nothing at all"

>>13637859

You'd complain regardless, the Thrawn trilogy is ripe for it.

Remarks about a dubious adaptation of an EU story of questionable value, mostly. Also you're a fool for ever thinking they would do that for obvious reasons,

>>13636936

The First Order is basically Neo Zeon or Zanscare. The Resistance is more or less AEUG or League Militaire.

>>13637863
>EU story of questionable value
Most EU stories are of questionable value, but as it is now, the first book of TT shits all over TFA. Same will happen with Episodes VIII-IX.

>Also you're a fool for ever thinking they would do that for obvious reasons
I never hoped they would do it. That's why I said I would be totally ok with them fucking off somewhere else.

>>13637869

>Same will happen with Episodes VIII-IX.

This comes across as the opinion of someone who is incredibly biased as opposed to someone who is making a logical judgment.

>>13637871
Perhaps, but keep in mind that JJ Abrams created a rather average movie.
Now go check the directors for Eps VIII-IX.
I have little hope for them.

>>13636791
>shilling this terrible forgettable movie

>>13637875

So if we're basing things entirely off of who directs them, now, who's to say that your hypothetical Thrawn adaptation wouldn't be shit because directors you don't like will be saddled with filming duties?

I can see a lot of /tv/ people ITT

>>13637893
Exactly, and ultimately it takes us back to
>>13637859
>But I would be equally ok with "nothing at all"

Prequels already took a sizable amount of shine off Star Wars. Disney didn't have to fuck it up even further.

>>13637705
That looks fucking terrible.
I hate "shaky-cam" so much.

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>>13636791
>TIEs now have a fucking rotating blaster cannon so they can fire backwards

Only the spec ops model.

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Pretty cool, but remember when Kylo Ren killed Han Solo?

>>13637473
"You are alone? Maybe I can help you."

Best voice for the character, definitely.

>>13637911

And what 'shine' was that, pray tell?

>>13637967
Yeah, it was a cheaply one scene that didn't evoke any emotions in my soul.
Literally 0/10

>>13637983
No kidding. It was just Harrison Ford demanding that they kill Han Solo so he didn't have to come back and reprise the role AGAIN.

>>13636791
>THEY HAVE A FUCKING EJECTOR PARACHUTE SEAT
That concept has been around since the TIE Fighter flight sim.

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On a scale of 1 to 10, how would you rate the space ship porn in this movie? I don't really care about the jedi stuff.

>>13638010
4/10, honestly.

Not much to see in terms of ship porn

>>13637967
About time: https://a.pomf.cat/xsnrpn.webm

>>13637911
Ewoks already took away star wars shine.

>>13637863
Is the Thrawn Trilogy the only good EU Star Wars stuff? people go on and on about the EU but Thrawn is all I ever see mentioned in a positive context

>>13638032
just like your mom took away my knob-end's shine

>>13638035
The X-Wing novels/comics/games, Dark Forces Saga, TIE Fighter, the Rogue Squadron games, Galactic Battlegrounds, Rebellion, Rebel Assault, RepCom, Scoundrels, and the old Han Solo/Lando Calrissian novel series are also good Legends stuff.

>>13638035
>Is the Thrawn Trilogy the only good EU Star Wars stuff?
Kinda.

There are also KotORI-II, but those are video games + a bunch of comic books

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>>13638043
>old Han Solo/Lando Calrissian novel series are also good Legends stuff

>>13638035
Death Troopers is best EU. Han Solo vs Zombies.

>>13638040
Someone is buttblasted at the Ewoks.

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>>13638048
Shit's cheesy as fuck. It's glorious. They also have titles like "Lando Calrissian and the Flamewind of Oseon."

>>13638035
Not at all.
There is also the Shadows of the Empire project which is set between ESB and RotJ and has its own soundtrack.
The novels Darth Plagueis and Tarkin (by the same author).

>>13638020
Jesus, that's awful

>>13638075
Don't question the wisdom of the Supreme Leader.

>>13638035
X-wing novel series is better than Thrawn Trilogy imo.

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>>13638109

>>13638074
>The novels Darth Plagueis and Tarkin (by the same author)

Those aren't EU. Those are part of the new disney canon.
And I wouldn't say they are good. Tarkin released the plague of "Sheev" upon us.

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>>13638109
The Wraith Squadron series, maybe, but Stackpole's run I'd rate slightly lower with the exception of the Bacta War. Isard's Revenge was mediocre as well. Corran's a boring protagonist. On the other hand, dem custom paint jobs, man

>>13638121
Eh I like the Rogue Squadron parts more than the Wraith Squadron parts.

>>13638115
>Those are part of the new disney canon.

That applies only to Tarkin.
The only reason why Darth Plagueis is semi-canon because the author referenced part of it in Tarkin.

I like Sheev.

>>13638138
Did you miss the part where Disney stated every book released after it took control was just as canon as the movies?

>>13638157
Darth Plagueis was released in January 2012.
Disney brought SW in autumn 2012.

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>>13638157
>every book released after it took control was just as canon as the movies
Not exactly the case. There are still a few scattered exceptions that deal with Legends content.

>>13638035
Don't get me wrong, I really enjoyed Thrawn trilogy, but the main reason why its so "significant" is because of the impact it had on the Star Wars fanbase by reinvigorating it and bringing new interest in it and basically kickstarting the SW EU boom.

>>13638186
That's not a novel.

>>13638208
The previous anon said "every book." There was also an Imperial military handbook released after the canon reset that is considered Legends. Besides, RPG source books are full of lore. The old Legends continuity started with West End Games' d6 RPG, which Zahn, Stackpole, and Allston used as reference material for the Thrawn and X-wing novels.

>>13638214
>The previous anon said "every book."

Nigger please. You should know that "book" means words printed on paper that tell a fictional story. ie a novel.

>>13636791
They killed the best things that came from Star Wars.

KOTOR and Dark Forces are no longer part of this franchise. I'm out.

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>>13636791

Didn't TIE Fighters pretty much murder any enemies that WEREN'T named characters in the original series? Fuck, there were like 30 rebel ships against half as many TIE Fighters in ANH, and they held out fine even before Darth Vader showed up.

>>13638220

No.

A book is a written or printed work consisting of pages glued or sewn together along one side and bound in covers.

The Anon who made the original statement was in error by technicality, as he did not specify what Disney had deemed canonical (the novels, comicbooks, etc).

The FFG Star Wars game materials (rulebooks, board games, X Wing, Armada etc) are a little fuzzy, in this regard. They are clearly aligning with the new canon (T-70 X Wings, the Ghost from Rebels are both soon to be released) while still having a foot firmly in the Legends camp.

>>13638293
Shut the fuck up and stop splitting hairs. You knew very well I meant novels and you're being a faggot on purpose.

>>13638293
To be frank, there is too much good stuff to recycle from legends.

>>13638281
They get their hits in, but at the same time TIE pilots have difficulty maneuvering as deftly through terrain.

>>13638281
Sort of. Most of the actual TIE kills on-screen were done by Vader in the trench, where the Rebel pilots had no room to maneuver and where some were on meat shield duty. Biggs and Wedge, for instance, were deliberately tanking hits to buy Luke more time. Most of the Xs, Ys, and TIEs also don't show up after their initial appearances. Vader, Mithel, and Backstabber were the only TIEs we saw consistently aside from the mooks Wedge and Luke vaped. Most of the Red and Gold pilots died off-screen, causes of death unknown (maybe point-defense, maybe TIEs). But yeah, the TIEs probably acquitted themselves well. They were Vader's personal squad, after all.

When we see proper dogfighting at Endor, it's a more even match-up. A grunt Y-wing chases and splashes two TIEs in rapid succession, for instance, while a similar number of Rebel craft die to TIE fire.

Out of curiosity, is Phasma the only Stormie with the distinction of being female in this movie or are there others, voice-only?

Figured they may as well exploit it, so wondering.

>>13638460
If I remember correctly there are no other voiced female troopers.

>>13638460
I don't remember noticing any other female stormtroopers, but there were some female First Order officers and bridge bunnies.

>>13637417

I think he did that deliberately because he wanted to assure the audience that he can "do" Star Wars.

Now that they have that foundation they can deviate more in the future.

>>13638460

There is one. She reports to Ren after Rey escapes. Just has a couple of lines. There's plenty of female communications officers and stuff.

Rebels had a few chick pilots, and some aliens too.

>>13638537
All it proved is that Abrams is a hack.

I mean, I'd do the same thing, but there's no avoiding that it's the work of a hack. At least he's skilled at being a hack.

>>13638537
>Now that they have that foundation they can deviate more in the future

But Abrams isn't doing 8 and 9. Abrams is done with Star Wars now.

>>13638573
He's still an executive producer.

http://imgur.com/a/o7sKV

Pics from the official guide. Looks like the Republic does have a defense fleet but it's held back by red tape.

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>>13638020
>he's getting closer

>>13638652
I like that the picture of Kylo's lightsaber confirms Steven Colbert's explanation about the crossguard.

>>13638020
>Malaysia
Being Malaysian I'm really not surprised

>>13636936
>the Order is a small-scale operation compared to the Empire.
>Builds Death Star 10x larger with unlimited range

>>13638035
The definitive EU novel reading list and optimum reading order, decided solely and entirely by me and my own superior taste.

1. Thrawn Trilogy
2. X-wing Series (Rogue Squadron and Wraith Squadron, except for Mercy Kill)
3. I, Jedi (The Jedi Academy Trilogy is optional)
4. The Han Solo Trilogy
5. The Bounty Hunter Wars Trilogy
6. The Hand of Thrawn Duology
7. Survivor's Quest/Outbound Flight
8. The New Jedi Order*
9. Luke Skywalker and the Shadows of Mindor
10. Shatterpoint
11. Labyrinth of Evil
12. Star Wars Episode III
13. The Rise of Darth Vader
14. Kenobi
15. Darth Plageuis
16. The Darth Bane trilogy
---IF YOU REALLY MUST territory begins---
17. Dark Nest Trilogy
18. Legacy of the Force
19. Fate of the Jedi
---IF YOU REALLY MUST territory ends---
20. Millenium Falcon
21. X-wing - Mercy Kill

And some non novel material:

>Comics
Tales of the Jedi
Dark Empire
Crimson Empire
Dawn of the Jedi
Legacy

>Games
The Dark Forces/Jedi Knight series
X-Wing/TIE Fighter
Knights of the Old Republic I and II
Republic Commando
The Force Unleashed (just the first one)

>>13638770
Note their complete lack of a real starfleet beyond that one Star Destroyer. I suppose if you took your entire naval budget and pumped it into digging out the core of a planet to stick a giant vacuum cleaner inside rather than building any actual starships, you might just get away with it.

>>13638770

They didn't, they just hollowed out an existing planet. It's not an original stucture.

>>13638652
>they called the mosquito aliens "Dengue"

Just saw this film today. Didn't intend to but workmates dragged me along. Pretty fun film indeed.

RIP Han Solo, this film pretty much from the moment they showed up could be called the Han Solo and Friends show. Ford stole pretty much every scene he was in.

http://strawpoll.me/6291092

Oh yeah, if you've seen the movie feel free to rate your enjoyment on this poll.

I'm glad I went into this completely unhyped because as a bit of sci-fi schlock, it was great. Think about it for a second and it collapses, but as a series of cool images on the screen, it was Star Wars out of 10.

>>13638864
>no option for meh the movie was average and forgettable

>>13638112
Wow, your smug meme face sure told me.

Are they ever going to address that either planetary shields are now absolutely useless, or Starkiller Base just happened to have a particularly useless shield for some stupid reason?

Also apparently you can enter and exit hyperspace deep inside a gravity well now. Like, ten feet from the planet's surface deep.

>>13638904

yeah but only the Falcon pulled it off, and even so it crashed. It'd be suicide for a large assault force.

>>13638919
Why would you need a large assault force? Just strap some proton bombs to a hyperdrive and send it at your target.

>>13638882

That was always Star Wars short of Empire.
Empire is the only legit good movie of all six. A New Hope is barely held together and Return of the Jedi is prequel tier.

>>13638925
Garbage opinions you got there m8.

Battle of Endor alone makes RotJ superior to Empire Snores Back.

Effects porn > wow it's nothing character drama.

>>13638925
Empire is good why again? Because Imperials did some fighting in the snow with a big stupid dog robot?
Because Luke spent 10 minutes getting jobbed by Vader?
90% of that movie was really boring compared to IV or VI.

>>13637705
I hope Finn can eventually into jedi.

He tries hard dammit.

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>>13639014
I hope if that he does, it becomes an excuse to bring back everyone's favorite discontented old man as a Jedi drill sergeant. Also Rosh.

>>13639014

I liked how well-characterized he was. He was basically on survival mode, "fuck these crazy people I'm running away", but then he makes some actual friends for the first time and in a kinda naive way goes to extreme lengths to rescue them. It's a bit of a childish nature, but I liked it.

>>13637548
>Jewsnay could've easily cast someone new for these roles.

Are you stupid no they can't and you know why.

>>13638940
>>13638977

Is this some new meta-/tv/ shitposting?

>>13639036

Yeah and it's going to get worse as soon as it releases in America. Way worse. I think it comes out in 24 hours over there or less?

>>13639014
>Finn, a trained stormtrooper who probably has experience in using vibroblades, is still outshone by Rei, a scavenger with no formal training, because Force
We're getting into genetic upper class territory

>>13639025
They'd be stupid not to bring Kyle back into the canon with that spinoff film about nabbing the Death Star plans.

Granted that was just a small fragment of what Dark Forces was really about but fucking Kyle Katarn, man.

>>13639047
>genetic upper class
Wait until you find out they're of different races and sexes, too!

>>13638652
>useless politicians who sit on their asses and ignore Crazy Space Nazis running around
>moves their capital around
>has the most powerful military that diesn't do anything because its constrained by spineless politicians

Wow, the New Republic really IS the Earth Federation. And the Resistance = AEUG and First Order = Neo Zeon I comparisons are spot on too. So when do we get Londo Bell?

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>>13639048
Jason Court even said he'd be happy to return to the role. There's hope yet, though the Rogue One cast photos don't have anyone who looks like him or the beardless Kyle of the original Dark Forces. Hell, I don't see anyone who could pass for Jan.

>>13639047

Yeah, it's like how in highschool you practiced really hard at soccer and that asshole kid was way better than you despite you working twice as hard and he could have gone pro but didn't and you never had a chance.

N-not that I'm still bitter or anything.

>>13637437
>gurrll powah

They stacked to much shit on her.
Either make her the crazy Force prodigy or the Hand Solo successor. Let the black guy have something.

>>13639073
The black guy will tap into Mace Windu's angry black jedi skill tree.

>>13637437
Are you going to complain that Leia in ANH was also all about gurrll powah?

>no more Wedge Antilles
>no more Tycho Celchu
>no more Hobbie Klivian
>no more Wes Janson
I mean, Poe is a decent character, but I demand a comrades in arms dynamic from my ace X-wing pilots and having just one prominent character isn't doing it for me

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>>13639066
>So when do we get Londo Bell
We've already got Amuro Rey, har har. Now we probably just need a Bright. Someone get Denis Lawson on the line.

And for the Char, just recanonize Turr Phennir and plop him in a royal guard TIE.

>>13639047
Drop him into the Valley of the Jedi that can even things up.

>>13639094
>tfw no more Baron Fel

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>>13639093
Wedge, Hobbie, and Wes were always canon. They'll allways be around. Aftermath, shit as it was, had a few Wedge chapters, so there's clearly still some love for the Ace of Aces. Tycho is the only one at risk of being stuck in the Legends bin.

>>13639101
Rebels recanonized the Baron title and bloodstripes, so Fel may still come back.

>>13639106
That looks weirdly like Nathan Filion

>>13639113
That's because it is a picture of Fillion and Tudyk. I just keep reading Wes and Hobbie's Starfighters of Adumar lines in their voices. The actual actors for Wes and Hobbie are different.

The attack on Starkiller Base makes me want an Ace Combat Star Wars game so badly.

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>>13639138
You and everyone else, buddy. Maybe one day, Disney will see the that giving EA exclusivity rights was a mistake and let Scamco get in on the console action.

>>13636939
I call bullshit. No fucking way the shield generators would be functional in a critical moment. Not on the Falcon.

So, before I go and piss myself off, does the movie acknowledge EU or not? Over on /b/, people seem to have the opinion that the movie does away with the entirety of it, but from what I'm reading and hearing, it's still intact to some extent? Like, I may still get to see Lowbacca at some point?

>>13639184
>it's still intact to some extent
Bits of the Legends EU have been filtering back into canon since the Tarkin novel. Several planets, ship classes, and minor characters are canon again (albeit not in the film). Some of the new characters and locations in the film are also nods some old EU plot points and characters.

>>13639200
Okay. Good to know. Like, I was confused by the Ben thing. Are we to expect Anakin Solo as well, or did they use Han and Leia's kids as a minor point, the whole "You killed my __""No, I am your __"

>>13639216

They reuse the concept of han and solo's kid/s in a way you'll recognize, and the movie is basically about an emperial remnant organization the republic can't deal with because post-war disarmament and demilitarization (so they fund some rebel expies instead).

It's not too terrible, you might like it.

>>13639014
>Luke trains the prodigy
>Kyle trains the underdog

like pottery

>>13639223
Not him but the soulless shallow feel of the movie makes me not interested at all, even though I'm passively interested in seeing how the new canon develops.

>>13639241

I didn't find it soulless or shallow, it retread a bunch of stuff but it did it well and managed to make it interesting.

>>13639248
I don't like that all I have heard about the new characters is muh diversity. The actors seem fine but the characters seem shitty and uninteresting.

>>13639252

Look, honestly you should see the film first. The characters' gender or race don't factor at all into their likeability.

Finn is a coward operating on instincts who feels guilt about his stormtrooper past. Rey's a tech-head scavenger intimidated by the wider galaxy and clinging deperately to Jakku for purpose. Poe's a dashing, charming war hero.

The three of them work well together and they're entertaining to watch, but they don't overdo the snark like in cape movies. The villains IMO weren't so good, but it's fun watching Ren get the snot beaten out of him.

>>13639256
Wait. WAIT. Shit, it does acknowledge EU canon. Isn't Finn in the Jedi Apprentice books?

>>13639259
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Finn_%28disambiguation%29

There's a lot of Finns, though. In this one there's a stormtrooper named FN-2187 who gets renamed as "Finn" by a rebel he helps out.

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>>13639256
>Poe's a dashing, charming war hero.
Confirmation as Wedge's greatest student when, Disney?

>>13639256
I'll go into it with an open mind. My feelings are more like apathy than angry/offendedness. I've been looking forward more to Fafner episode 25 than Star Wars 7, as someone who loved star wars growing up as a kid, that should sorta show my sense of "meh" about The Force Awakens. I figure it's a good thing I don't have any hype.

>>13639263
>named

Why would non clone stormtroppers be named as ID numbers?

I haven't seen the movie yet, were there any Y-wings? All I see from the trailers were X-wings duking it out with the TIEs.

>>13639256
Ren would've been way better if he kept his helmet on, I didn't like that he had it off for the final fight. Otherwise I loved the movie

>>13639274

They abducted kids at a young age and indoctrinated them from childhood. They talk about it specificially in the movie. Finn was taken from his parents as a baby and trained the whole way.

>>13639281

Only Rebel ships were X-Wings, Falcon, and Transport ships made out of B-Wing parts.

>>13638501

Naa there was one other female trooper that talked to Kylo briefly when they were looking for Rey.

>>13638505
Are they actual bridge bunnies e.g. sitting at monitors spouting exposition and shit?

>>13639304

Yes.

>>13639310
Cute.

I really hope that Finn recovers properly, I was really surprised how much I ended up liking his character, he pretty much stole the show for me. Han was also in the movie a lot more than I expected from the trailers, he's not a cameo he is outright a main character of the movie Luke doesn't do jack shit though

>>13639325
Look for Luke to have Yoda's role in Episode VIII.

>>13639354

I swear if Episode 8 opens with a huge skirmish on an ice planet I'm gonna be pissed.

>>13639407
Wasn't the ice planet in episode 7?

It is probably a TWEEST so the dessert and ice planets will switch places.

>>13639407
Same here.

Actually extend it to being "it's a rebs getting shat on episode" at which point the only way I'll forgive shameless rehashing is if they come up with a way to one up the Battle of Endor.

And that's probably never going to happen, so best I can hope for is that they walk down a totally different path.

But still if they fucking do Hoth 2.0 I might just riot.

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>>13639425
>one up the Battle of Endor
>You're not going to believe this, Baron! They've all got Rogue Squadron insignias!
>REX TREMENDAE
A man can dream.

>>13639433
Pls no.

It'd probably play out like 5 where everyone joins together in a clusterfuck coalition of awesome at which point TIE fighters finally get to really steal the spotlight and get shit done like shits never been done before.

>>13639433
MAJESTATIS

>>13639077
He fucking better angry black jedi is best jedi.

That Stormtrooper that took on Finn by himself deserves a medal, if he survived the blast from Chewie's blaster (Of course he didn't)

Easiest the ballsier trooper in the troop. Nigga dropped his weapons like he didn't give a fuck and challenged the traitor to melee combat.

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>>13639439
>clusterfuck coalition of awesome at which point TIE fighters
>TIE Fighters
Let me guess. They'd be part of an Imperial splinter led by the mustache?

>>13639407
It's probably going to be a Jungle planet actually. If I recall, Luke makes his base back on Endor post-6.

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>>13639467
>Endor
Oh boy, here we go again.

They'll never acknowledge that the Jedi are the ones that fucked everything up in the first place and caused the imbalance.

They'll never acknowledge that Vader succeeded in bringing balance to the force by killing Jedi and Sith in one fell swoop.

They'll force Luke to be a Jedi again instead of going with the infinitely more sane neutral force user for actual force karmic balance like a shaolin monk of Star Wars.

Luke won't die at the end of the new trilogy and take the force with him.

>>13639274
For the same reason Marines have numbers. Names are fine and dandy, but once you go big enough, you're going to have 18 hundred John Millers walking around. It's also for secure identification, if you remember the original trilogy.

>>13639467
I wish they would be unique and he's just chilling in an apartment building somewhere. He doesn't seem like the kind of middle-of-nowhere kind of guy.

>>13639481
I think Luke actually renounces the name of Jedi eventually. The EU has him bounce back and forth, until he realizes it's a moot point anyway, and just chills in the woods like Yoda.

Actually, now that I think about it, Yoda never makes any statements about good and evil. He emphasizes balance and neutrality.

>>13639453
That was probably my favourite part of the movie.
"Fuck you and fuck your lightsaber"

>>13639481
if anything they'll probably pound "the jedi are bad tooo" into your head since audiences don't like good/evil stories anymore

>>13636791

The movie confirms that the TIE Fighter is the worst space fighter ever conceived in fiction. It only existed in this movie for the purpose of giving BEST PILOT his 360noscopeMLGpro#YOLO moments. Literally the only thing its good for is hitting the broadside of a monastery.

>>13639493
Endor doesn't seem so middle of nowhere, it's the site of the Alliance's greatest triumph I'd expect it to become a pretty popular site.

It's more morbid for Luke to live there, since he buried his dad on Endor and all.

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>>13639529
>worst space fighter ever conceived in fiction
Wait until you play X-Wing Alliance.

>Practical effects all over

Ah thank god.

>>13639138
inb4 some anon says star citizen or elite dangerous i really want to like them but the whole open world thing just doesnt sit right with me. too open a world is boring after awhile.

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>>13639545
>Star Citizen
>tfw based Chris Roberts will never abandon the project to make X-Wing Commander

>>13639500
Original trilogy Yoda was more neutral. Prequel trilogy Yoda was more on the blatant light versus dark.

I've always liked the idea that Return of the Jedi was about Vader's redemption rather than Luke reviving the order though.

>>13639551
why are there so many fucking space sims coming out? they all seem like theyre independent and crowdfunded. fucking insane.
>>13639554
would revenge of the sith be about yoda becoming disillusioned by the jedi order? what with yoda changing his attitude between movies.

>>13639554
And that's just it, is that Luke never revives the order, he simply trains people with a conscience. It seems to me the true nature of the force an its best implementation are both completely neutral, not for great deeds of heroism, or for massively destructive acts. Both Yoda and Luke come to this conclusion as well, and instead of teaching the ways of the Jedi, teach the way of the Force. They don't want peace keepers, they want rational users who will act on their own to further the need of the whole. Even with what's his nut in the Force Unleashed games, his powers show off that there's rally no one way to use the force, and not all actions are inherently one alignment or unredeemable.

>>13639575
People like space

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>>13639575
>so many space sims
Probably just a futile attempt to revive the glories of a dying, niche genre. AAA publishers want mass-market appeal. Also, people wanna go to space.

>>13639586
Are we talking from a canon standpoint or from Legends? Because Legends Luke set up a legitimate, full-time NJO based on pragmatic, reasonable tenets that are more in line with classic Jedi teachings compared to the prequel Jedi Order's "modern" code. It's just that Luke was a lot more chill and less of an idiot (under a good writer) regarding his Order's philosophy.

>>13639589
its such a niche genre to get alot of games made in a short timespan. i do enjoy it but are there really that many who would anymore? hopefully one of them will be finished

Kylo Ren is such a weenie holy shit

Does Kylo Ren have daddy issues?

>Wanted to see this movie with my grandmother because she first introduced me to Star Wars
>Watched the movie with my brother tonight
>Now I'm not so sure
I had a lot of fun, but man I'm not sure this would be good for an 80yo woman who enjoyed the original trilogy. It's pretty dark and I'd feel bad if she passed away before they reached the end and everything is happy again.
>>13639615
I loved that shit. He's the perfect, insecure Vader wannabe.

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>>13639615
Does he only find Vader's helmet or does he salvage other parts of the armor?

>>13639635
Granddaddy issues

>>13639615
Kylo Ren is a nerd

>>13639662

Its implied that he stole Vader's helmet which was kept at Luke's Jedi academy before the Knights of Ren rebelled and burned that motherfucker down.

>>13639695
So Jewjew is trying to be Anno?

>>13639615
That's the point and it's great. He's trying to be Vader but he sucks at it.

I'm glad that lightsabers are cool again. Blasters never stopped being cool.

>Next move starts out with everyone super mad about the lost of the new capital
>Insanely huge coalition forms to curve stomp the First Order
>They arrive at the First Order's strong hold
>Wreckage everywhere
>Everyone's already dead something or someone got there first
>They find Supreme Leader Snoke, Kylo Ren and Phasma half dead

>>13639615
>His hissy fits

Fucking perfect.

The scene where Hux, HERO OF THE EMPIRE, is addressing the legions had some pretty good visual design.

>>13639736
Hux calls him 'Supreme Leader Snoke' the first time he's mentioned in the film.

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>>13639726
>Next to the smoldering wreckage is an old HWK-290

>>13639771
I still don't get how those half-turbines work.

>>13639771
This feels weird

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>>13639775
If you're referring to the T-70 engines, they're not turbines. They're most likely supposed to be retrothrusters, similar to the frontal bits on her older sister's engines.

>>13639771

Where is this from? this weren't in the movie.

>>13639787
I know right? It took Poe ages to shoot down one TIE.

>>13639070
Does Angela Harry look lke an old hag now

>>13637486
>>13637503
Mechanically inclined girl with a knack for piloting vs wannabe edgelord with parental issues Calling it now: They're Jaina and Jacen Solo recycled for a new generation

>>13639792
Jeep commercial

>>13637548
He could keep them older but make Thrawn the villain instead of daddy issues hitler.

>>13639787
>>13639798

He shreds TIE Fighters like its a video game. Its like hes in on the secret that they're made of confetti and always have shit tier pilots on screen.

Rey in some ways seemed more like Yuki-hime than Leia. More similar in mannerism.

>>13639840
Wedge and Luke both downed TIEs with a one or two direct laser hits each at Yavin, as did a random mook Y-wing at Endor. If anything, Poe needs to pick up the pace.

>>13639851
While Finn was fighting that Stormtrooper melee he was tearing up shit

>>13638010
0 and I say that not having seen the movie. The X-wing redesign is retarded.

>>13639855
>Six kills in ten seconds

My cinema had more or less the exact same reaction that Finn did.

So just got back from the theaters.

The alien chick who was a spy for the First Order literally said Gundam in her alien language.

>>13639826
You're more right than you know. They rip off the books where Jacen went bad.

>>13639935

It looks like a beauty on screen.

>>13639944
>>13639855
I would gladly watch a Poe and Finn "Tag & Bink are Dead" movie

>>13638770
its more like 5x, give or takr

>>13639949
Not with those awful s-foils.

>>13639946
There's a deleted scene of her saying G-Reco is Shit and Stick to A/z

>>13639959
That's the part I hate. Change the engines? Ok, I get that. But change the s-foils? No. They look like preproduction or prototype X-wings, the original looked more much more functional.
Also:
>no A-wings
And just for ALL OF MY RAGE:
>no E-wings

>tfw you can't look at Kylo the same way after Girls

This is sort of like Skaarsgard in the Marvel movies all over again.

>>13639970
The T-70 would look fine if it had classic s-foils. The new foils just look so damn flimsy.

>E-wings
Eh, they'd need some redesigning to actually look functional. Maybe move the topside cannon to the underside so the pilot can actually enter, exit, and eject easily.

>>13639971
>watching Girls

but why

>>13639988
It's a pretty good show. Maybe it isn't the most consistently good show, but when its good it is really good. There are some really compelling characters and performances in there.

>>13639988
Nice dubs but >>13639999 quads are obviously right.

>>13639988
>>13639999
>9988
>9999

goku_and_vegeta_arguing_about_television.jpg

>>13639988
When Tendou shows up there I'll tell you why.

>>13640023
>he's in the next season
Oh shit. I really hope he play a significant role.

>>13639981
Yeah it looks like a pleasure craft, not a fighter. Plus to me it doesn't look like an improvement on the X-wing design but rather a step back.
E-wing works for me with the goofy too mounted cannon but you could just as easily mount it centerline under the nose.

>>13639170
>I call bullshit. No fucking way the shield generators would be functional in a critical moment. Not on the Falcon.
The one piloting the ship at the time is the most competent grease-monkey I have ever seen in Star Wars. I believe it.

>>13637340
>>Phasma got the shaft.
I am actually hoping she ended up being "somebody". It is interesting we see how the new Storm-troopers are basically indoctrinated child soldiers, and this actually explains why they are mostly weak to Jedi Mind Control; they are ALREADY brainwashed, and as such it is easier to brainwash them a 2nd time.

The First Order is basically Fascism. But you see how the rank and file basically enforce loyalty to the cause and obey authority. They are going to "Make the Empire Great Again", as it were.

>>13637839
>>13637866
I am moderately pleased by this.

>>13640062
>The First Order is basically Fascism. But you see how the rank and file basically enforce loyalty to the cause and obey authority. They are going to "Make the Empire Great Again", as it were.
You got something against proper facism, Anon?
It's not all gassing jews, you know.

>>13639771

>BB-8 is just kind of loosely cradled in the droid socket
>it even lifts out slightly to look at the TIE explode

That seems dangerous. At least the R-series astromechs looked snugly plugged in to the old models. I guess whatever magnet thing that holds BB's head to its body also holds it in the socket.

>>13640051
Also, I strongly suspect she already knew the ship so well because she already worked on it before. The ship was owned by her employer and as such she was mostly likely sent to fix it more than once. That's why she knew where the gunner area was and why she seemed to know all the design issues as well as Solo.

>>13640074
>That seems dangerous. At least the R-series astromechs looked snugly plugged in to the old models. I guess whatever magnet thing that holds BB's head to its body also holds it in the socket.
We saw that it has omnidirectional grappling hooks, so it probably hooks itself onto the ship.

Well I just got back from seeing it.

I really liked it. That being said, it's definitely the Aliens to A New Hope's Alien. In that if you line the two films next to each other plot point by plot point, they're essentially the same film.

>>13640062
Anyone else think "Sieg Zeon" at their salute at the end of Hux's speech?

>>13640088

No, because natural instinct makes you think of nazis first.

>>13640082
>I really liked it. That being said, it's definitely the Aliens to A New Hope's Alien. In that if you line the two films next to each other plot point by plot point, they're essentially the same film.
Well they are at least based it on A New Hope, rather than the prequels.

I really like how they have the planet exploding back into a sun. It makes PERFECT sense. You take all the sun's mass and put it back together, and you get a new sun.

>>13638841
>Ford stole every scene

no, that was chewie.

biggest gripes of the film were harping on episode iv way too much 'h-hey guys remember when this happened in "a new hope?", and han's death. was that really how anyone imagined han going out? falling down a fucking shaft like some scrub storm trooper? total shit jj. brought the movie down a few notches.

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>>13640091
true, but then I saw how they saluted

>>13640094
>like some scrub storm trooper?
Was the Emperor also a "scrub storm trooper"?

>>13636791
going to see it this weekend. i've already been spoiled for the plot but really its just a family thing right now. hoping that i see a /m/an there, but i doubt there's more than just me in this town.

>>13640105

unfortunately you've already seen all the good dogfights and ship porn in the trailers.

>>13640099

dying like the emperor is probably worse than dying like a trooper.

>>13640093

Yeah, but it's REALLY ANH

Obi-Wan = Han
Jan Dodonna = Leia
Luke = Mostly Rey, but Fin during the time she needs to be saved
Darth Vader = Kylo Ren
The Death Star = The Starkiller base
Chewie = Chewie
Han = It was mostly Rey in terms of mechanical know-how, but I think the movie set Fin up enough to become the next Han by movie 8

>>13640094

They're playing it safe. If they make a movie people already know, it won't fail and thus people will want to see the next one.

Finn is the best character in the movie by far.

He's flawed, he loses all his fights, he's actually kinda shitty at what he does. But he grows as a character the whole movie so you care about the guy.

>>13640094

The prequels burned a lot of people and the franchise as a whole has been running on fumes for about a decade. They had to play it safe and ease audiences back gently.

>>13640062
Wow you're subtle.

So do you guys think Rey will develop a personality sometime between VII and VIII?

>>13640095
I could see a JJ Abrams Gundam. It'd be shallow and shitty, but it'd be accessible to normies.

>>13640134

No

>>13640124

Kind of like Luke in ANH.

>>13640142
Nah he's more like Han, he just wants to run away for a good deal of the movie, and eventually realizes he has to do the right thing.

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>that scene in the beginning with that dead Stormtrooper and Finn

No fucking way J.J.

>>13640124
Finn was a pretty pleasant surprise.
I personally expected him to be some kind of a Jar Jar Binks-like character and the worst part of the movie, but he was nothing like that.
I just wish Rey was less unlikable.

How could Finn shoot so well? Isn't he a Stormtrooper?

>>13640194
>How could Finn shoot so well? Isn't he a Stormtrooper?
For the last time, stormtroopers shoot fine. It's just that they were ordered to shoot to miss in the original film to let Han Solo escape, so they could be followed.

>>13640193
>I personally expected him to be some kind of a Jar Jar Binks-like character and the worst part of the movie, but he was nothing like that.
>I just wish Rey was less unlikable.
Finn is basically a trained but inexperience soldier. So we see that he knows how to fight but isn't very good at it.
Rey is fine, she is just disgruntled about having a shit life and as such isn't good at being pleasant to people. She obviously was written to have room for character development, as she needs to be a shitty apprentice just like every other young Jedi.

I do have to give credit to everyone involved for melee combat. The combat editing was good and much, much better than the combat shit show that was GotG. I love GotG but the battles in it as horrible choreographed.

>>13640132
>Wow you're subtle.
Fascism is appealing. There is a REASON it exits. People WANT Fascism, as long as the people being murdered is someone they don't know. Who doesn't want to have powerful authoritarian figures who can fuck shit up?

Anyone can become a fascist. You don't need to be a baby-killer psychopath to become one. And there are plenty of perks. It isn't just about being evil, but about being evil WITH BENEFITS.

>>13639481
>They'll never acknowledge that Vader succeeded in bringing balance to the force by killing Jedi and Sith in one fell swoop.
But leaving the two most powerful sith.

>>13640215
I'm meant the Trump reference.

I was actually okay with Phasma getting shafted, because it shits all over the idea of that cool mysterious elite person who you know is going to be important who gets lots of advertising.

And then she gets jumped and thrown down a garbage chute and doesn't really get to do anything, and Finn is living it up getting back at her. It's the perfect mocking of her setup.

That being said, she's going to be pissed when she comes back and will probably be leading the manhunt come episode 8, so I have faith we'll see her do something cool.

>>13640218
>But leaving the two most powerful sith.
You can't eliminate force users if The Force exists. It's like trying to kill gravity or magnetism. We see how Rey develop Force powers on her own, so even if you kill every user you would still end up with Sith and Jedi in another generation or two.

>finn takes off his helmet and looks really sweaty and worried
>"wait, did they move the trailer shot of him in the desert to fuck with people?"
>he does the trailer shot later
>proceeds to spend half of the movie being really worried and panicking
Finn was a fun guy.

>>13640222
I'm surprised feminists don't bitch about it

>>13640225
You can't kill the Jedi, you can only kill the Jedi order and make everybody forget or be unable to learn their philosophy. Somebody will come up with something new and probably similar on their own given time.

>>13640221
>I'm meant the Trump reference.
I don't particularly care about Trump, Trump isn't a real fascist. He just knows voters who are fascists and appeal to them accordingly. That's why we have Storm Troopers who are angry at Finn for abandoning their great cause.

>>13640230
OOGA BOOGA IT'S THE SCARY SCARY FEMINISTS COME TO STOP YOU FROM ENJOYING THINGS
Man you should stop worrying about this stuff and your imagined threat and just relax, she'll do something cool later.

>>13640236
I haven't seen it yet, it just sounds hypocritical that their female characters sound pretty shallow, when they spent a lot of time marketing "women in star wars" as if there were never women in star wars before

>>13640232
>You can't kill the Jedi, you can only kill the Jedi order and make everybody forget or be unable to learn their philosophy. Somebody will come up with something new and probably similar on their own given time.
In the end the Sith is only able to do so much damage because so many people wanted to help them. The First Order is just another military force trying to run the galaxy. The fact that they have Sith in their ranks is just a bonus. Just as the Resistance doesn't need Jedi powers to exist.

>>13640243
I can't think of any characters in this movie who would be made magically better or worse if they changed genders The characters were fine.

If you obsess over gender you're going to start inventing problems.

>>13640243
>I haven't seen it yet, it just sounds hypocritical that their female characters sound pretty shallow, when they spent a lot of time marketing "women in star wars" as if there were never women in star wars before
Rey is basically the true main lead. However she is not Miss Perfect, as being the lead means she needs character development over 3 movies. I like that she doesn't immediately accept her mission just because someone told her to.

>>13640243

The characters are fine, remember that /m/ is super nitpicky, and will make a movie sound worse than it is.

One thing is I like how they justified how fights end the way they did. Basically we have people of varying skills, and the outcomes were not contrived. When someone win a fight you can instantly tell why, and not have to suspend disbelief. No one received a powerup at any stage that wasn't explained. Like how Kylo Ren received a serious injury before he fought Finn, so Finn didn't instantly die but still lost. And Finn did enough damage to allow Rey to defeat Kylo Ren right afterwards. This means Kylo Ren is still a serious threat and next time he comes back healed, he would still be a threat.

>>13640251
>'Your destiny is calling you, take the lightsaber'
>'Actually I'm just going to go back to my shell on Jakku okay thanks bye'

It's like when Han offers her a job on the Falcon and she turns him down because she's been away too long. No one is coming back for her, but despite these opportunities to leave for good she keeps talking about returning to Jakku. She's willing to help BB8 because she has inherited Luke's chronic heroism, but always wants to go back.

I think the parallel to Finn is pretty clear. Finn has to find the courage to not run away but instead confront. Poe doesn't have anything quite like this because he's the established adult with a career, like Han was in the original.

>>13640280
Oh, and of course the most important pilot in this film being the KNOWN "best pilot" of the Resistance. This is a big change as for too long normal pilots get shit on just because they don't use the Force. But here we see a famous and respected pilot doing his job without magic help. This breaks tradition really.

So what happened to C-3PO's red arm, it was gold when they were waving off Ren as she left to meet Luke.

>>13640292
We don't actually know the time between them ending the battle and actually go on a journey. It could have been weeks of preparation.

The Resistance is basically the Flying Tigers, but replace P-40's with X-wings.

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>>13640250
>I can't think of any characters in this movie who would be made magically better or worse if they changed genders
Imagine Kylo Ren as a girl. Same character, personality, anger issues, mental instability, insecurity, etc. just a girl instead of a boy. That would have been amazing. 10/10 waifu material.

>>13640290
Will he marry a sexy green women?

>>13640286
>>'Actually I'm just going to go back to my shell on Jakku okay thanks bye'
Someone is telling you to follow the footsteps of a legendary warrior, someone you only heard of in myths. It makes sense she would say no, she never aspired to be a superhero or anything. Her previous life was just so simple that she couldn't handle all the new information.

>>13640292
He got it fixed after he went "i should really get this fixed".

Better question is why he had a red arm in the first place.

>>13640222
>And then she gets jumped and thrown down a garbage chute and doesn't really get to do anything

I liked how, while Finn being a janitor was obviously to set up that he knows where a trash compactor is, it also funnily makes for a reference to Clerks

>Do you think the average storm trooper knows how to install a toilet main?

>>13640310
Read the upcoming Marvel's C3PO miniseries. The promised to explain that.

>>13640307
>Lightsaver cat fight

Kind of want.

>>13640350
>Read the upcoming Marvel's C3PO miniseries. The promised to explain that.
Japan does this with Gundam, but /m/ gets angry because most of /m/ don't follow the manga and as such demand that everything gets explained in the anime. All because they are not Japanese and think it is inconvenient to have crossovers with other media.

>>13639500
>The EU has him bounce back and forth, until he realizes it's a moot point anyway, and just chills in the woods like Yoda
Did it really? Last I remember, he declared himself Grand Master of the Jedi in the NJO, and by the time of FotJ he had a proper Jedi Council again.

>>13639842
Who the fuck is Yukihime?

>>13640310
To sell a toy where C3PO had a red arm.

Was I hearing things or did Poe say that the TIE they stole has missiles?

Hell, the First Order TIE is basically a discount Interceptor at this point.

Would anyone here know where I can find what new canon stuff there are out there that expands on the 30-year time skip? The Force Awakens was nice but it left me feeling hollow about the backstory since they barely even touched on stuff like how the New Republic happened and other post-war events after RotJ.

>>13640599
There is Star Wars: Rebels General on /co/, they have link to new canon stuff in OP post.

>>13640656
>Star Wars: Rebels

Doesn't it deal with the time skip between the OT and PT?

AFAIK there are new comics set between the OT and ST.

>>13640734
>reading comprehension
Yes, Rebels is set before ANH, but Rebels general on /co/ has a link to all new-canon novels and comics including those set between RotJ and TFA.

>>13640430
The Hidden Fortress

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Ren-kun you are such a fucking faggot holy shit

anyone else want to protect Rei's smile more than anything else?

Oh wait was I posting in the wrong thread? Copypasting this over here then:

Back from the movie. Thought it was okay. Nothing outstandingly bad like the countless problems in episode 1, but nothing outstandingly good either. Action was actually relatively disappointing; Felt that the prequel trilogy, for all its flaws, did that better (especially the lightsaber fights).

I can see why people might have problems with how Han was handled but I think it's understandable given Ford's age.

Finn felt weird as hell to me because his entire personality doesn't seem to fit his backstory at all.

Rey was alright, but I have a feeling that she and Captain Phasma being a woman are going to have a small number of lunatics throw fits about pandering to feminists.

Speaking of throwing fits, I loved how Kylo Ren turned out to be basically a pissy little Darth Vader fanboy in costume and hope to see more of that.

Favourite scenes were Kylo Ren and the blaster shot and "we'll use the force".

>>13641213
>Finn felt weird as hell to me because his entire personality doesn't seem to fit his backstory at all.
The point is that he was a literal Stormtrooper REJECT. Someone who's training basically failed and no one noticed only because he worked as a janitor, and on his first real mission he backed off and left his post ASAP.
The trailer described him perfectly, as someone who was trained from birth for something that he doesn't want anything to do with. And as such now he needed a new identity, and wasn't sure what he wanted other than survival.

Him trying to save Ray was basically his heroic instincts shining through. He has the desire, he just needs experience. He is a rookie soldier who just needed time to master the combat he already knew.

>>13641353
I meant he seems like too much of a normal person to be someone raised from birth to be a goddamned nazi soldier.

>>13640310
Was his silver leg explained somewhere ?

>>13641465
>I meant he seems like too much of a normal person to be someone raised from birth to be a goddamned nazi soldier.
As I mentioned in the other thread, his indoctrination FAILED. But his educators didn't notice because he worked as a janitor and thus stayed off the radar, until the start of the film when he was ordered to kill real people. At that point he broke down and ran.

>>13641579
And if you really want to, you can pull a parallel on how Luke didn't plan for his nephew to turn evil. You can't always succeed in making people into what you want them to be.

>>13640995
>protecting a Mary Sue's smile

No thanks.
I want to destroy it.

>>13636795
Empire is cheap anon, even its remnants inherited that.

>>13636936
Yeah in the dictionary thing, the new picture book, its explained there was a peace treaty between the new republic and the first order on the condition that the new republic did not fortify its systems and the first order did not build a fleet.

that one destroyer is all they got.

>>13637340
heres hopping for boba fett pottery for the faceless armoured awesome with few lines [spolier/]and a death based around a pit that may contain a monster

CLONE ARMY EH SNOKE

>>13638010
7/10 for small ships, dogfights

8/10 for medium ships, freighters, chases

7/10 for BIG GUN

5/10 for capital ships

10/10 for wrecked ships of all varieties

>>13639268
hopefully in the rogue one movie next year

>>13641937
Unlikely, since the Rogue One movie looks like it'll be about a bunch of random ground-pounders stealing the Death Star plans. Doesn't look like there will be any pilots aside from maybe some manner of getaway driver.

>>13641845
>competent female protagonist and all-around fem-Luke is a Mary Sue.

K.

At least she wasn't literal space jesus like Anakin.

do you have a link to the whole movie? i saw it already but am dying without it at my fingertips

>>13642261
She was decent at the start of the film. After she got her development (i.e. losing any ounce of character she had) and magically mastered the Force?

Chances are she'll be full Jesus Yamato by the end of the trilogy.

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Shadows of the Empire movie when?

>>13642767
>Chances are she'll be full Jesus Yamato by the end of the trilogy.
You talk like it is an insult. But the point is Jedi protagonists tend to be holy warriors so in this case it is literal.

>>13640165

Anon, he mentioned he is a fan of Gundam.

Anybody a bit annoyed that it's ANOTHER death star movie?

>>13643241
I'm pretty sure i heard the alien chick in the bar say "gundam" while calling the First Order to tell them about the droid