Could Gundam or a Valkyrie take down an Heavy Object?

>>13622456
Considering two autists without mechs take them down without even breaking a sweat, yeah, a Petite MS holding a comically oversized pipe wrench piloted by a drunk Amuro getting road head from Sayla could easily take down a Heavy Object.

Turn A probably could.

>>13622473
Could a haro do it?

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>>13622484
Which Haro? Victory Haro could do anything.

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>>13622456
A mace to the face should do it easy

There isn't a single one of those failed Besiege projects that could even dream of hitting a Gundam, let alone a Valkyrie

>>13622536
Don't underestimate a mace, there's a point where hardening your armor just to devalue bladed weaponry ends up making the hard-impact mass on a stick weapons hit even harder.

Even Mikazuki wasn't the most thrilled with his Jovian Katana's performance against nano-laminate armor in the most recent episode of IBO.

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>Valkyrie
gee i wonder

>>13622906
Fucking MDE weapons, man.

>>13622456
Is that a biped Object or power armor I spy in the bottom right panel?

>>13622456
>>13622473
Well, these thing do take nukes to the face very well. And, those two idiots made most of their kills based on intimate knowledge of HOs and shear luck (princess better request safer conditions for her boy for his and her sake, but this is fiction). It's not like they're blowing them up with RPGs. The world seems to have forgotten sabotage operations for the convenience of less bloodshed.

And, yes they could with the right weapons, but it would be a tough fight for a lot of units in Gundam. Like Celestial being might do better than Domon Kasshu.

>>13622456
So what's the logic behind these things? "Build a ball and put all of the guns on it"?

>>13623496
Curved armor. Super thick armor. Nuke proof in thickness. All terrain.

>>13622456
They seem to be equivalent to some of the hardened MS carriers, such as White Base / Argama. Lots of AA guns, varying amounts of big guns, good armor.

With a competent pilot it would probably go like the Sinanju vs the Nahel Argama where Frontal just plinked it to pieces.

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>>13622456
No they could not because it's too heavy.

>>13622473

Sayla and not Frow Bow?

>>13622896

Well the lance-mace was baller and he should have asked for it back. Why are mecha pilots such pussies about telling the upgrade guy they like the weapon they have?

>>13622931
Power Armor. Quenser talks about an humanoid Object at some point, but a girl shits all over the idea saying its center of gravity would be too high and it would fall easily.

>>13622456
Can Gundams withstand a Railgun at mach 25?

>>13625151
In the Gundam novels Amuro pegged Sayla.
He also pushes aside Fraw for the entirety of the series.

>>13622456
Sure, the Double X can cook the HO pilot with the microwave cannons.

>>13625145
I object.

>>13622456
UC beams punch through damn near anything. Macross is well known for out-of-show power wank, it could probably reaction missile it to pieces.

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Sup.

As of Frontier the Macross universe has those MD devices from Ender's Game. That'd probably sink a Heavy Object, even if reaction weapons and the Macross/New Macross-class' wave motion guns couldn't do the job.

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Actually, it all depends on what "universes" and what time frame we will take...

Consider the situation for example, UC 0083 (because the Federation at that time was a huge fleet and a lot of MS including Gundam's) and 2040 in the universe "Macross" (because at the time were excellent main fighters and a lot of promising prototypes)

As the "Object" take "the Baby Magnum" as a generic fighting unit

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>>13626468
The GM and gundams have beam weapons, plasma swords, powder guns and rocket launchers, and armor applies moon titanium, so... They lose miserably, because "Object" radius of detection and destruction of targets is at least 10 kilometers, and about 3 gundams; and the weapon the "Baby Magnum" has the calibre in metres(!), so armor will not help against metallic discs the size of a car, and from the laser beam will not avoid...

"Valkyrie" is even worse... Their gunpods will not be able to penetrate the armor of the "Object" and missiles, including with nuclear warheads, will be simply shot down by anti-aircraft system "Baby Magnum"... Yes and they shot down without difficulty - for "Object" and 500 combat aircraft is not a problem

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>>13626473
Reminder that the Gundam X also has a shitton of humanoid satellite cannons to cotnrol.
I mean, those cannons destroy colonies.

did this website break

>>13626473

Sorry, I know you want to circlejerk over your ugly Epcot tanks but a single Macross Frontier Valkyrie armed with a standard issue set of MDEs would buttfuck these things in a heartbeat.

I also have serious doubts that a heavy object could survive a buster rifle, satellite canon, or burger king attack.

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>>13626473

Reaction missiles are stronger than nuclear weapons, so there is no telling if whether or not a reaction warhead would be able to punch through or not.

>>13622456
Given enough time, yes a Gundam could probably take it down, assuming it's one armed with a buster cannon, sat cannon, or a continuous cutting weapon (basically Raiser Sword and Quanta's equivalent). Reason being, they probably put out enough firepower to at least damage the weapons and locomotive systems, and gradually slag a specific armor facing if focused on enough times. Assuming that said listed weapons are roughly equivalent to at least the smaller Heavy Object weapons intended to help melt opposing Heavy Objects. Turn A of course can get an easy win if it can full Moonlight Butterfly or if it's limited gravity manipulation allows it to redirect Heavy Object attacks back.

A Valkyrie would have a more difficult time given that their most powerful weapons are nuclear-level missiles, and Heavy Objects are capable of withstanding multiple direct nuclear missile strikes. Even their weapons are pretty durable, the first Heavy Object had several weapons slagged, but the rest still functioned enough to fire and sink the opposition.

Of course, certain Heavy Objects have certain weaknesses, but some of those weaknesses would be hard to deal with with a regular Gundam or Valkyrie. Tri-Core for example, is absurdly fast on the water, and its major weakpoint is mostly safe underwater (the shark fins allowing it hydrofoil).

Then there's pilot experience, though it's a much closer match here.

Object pilots have been augmented almost since they were born to become a pilot. Their entire life revolves around training and fighting as Object pilots. Cyber Newtypes or Coordinators, take you pick. Sure, if the pilot is a younger one, they're more likely to screw up due to not having as much experience as an older Object pilot, or an older experienced Gundam/Valkyrie pilot.

If a Gundam or Valk can survive long enough to disable movement or weapons, they practically win.

>>13623484
I sincerely doubt even a Love Love Seiseikiha Tenkyoken would be able to penetrate a Heavy Object.

At least CB has a few machines capable of outputting enough firepower in bursts to rival some of the smaller Heavy Object weapons used for Heavy Object vs Heavy Object combat. It's just a matter of surviving long enough to get more than one burst off (Anti-Orbital Rifle, Seravee Full Burst, Raiser Sword, etc).

>>13627031

What weapons do heavy objects have that can make something like a massive laser sword huge enough to slice through an alien fleet of liquid metal monsters seem on par with their smallest weapons? Is the typical object stronger than Gunbuster or something?

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>>13627021

>A Valkyrie would have a more difficult time given that their most powerful weapons are nuclear-level missiles

Reaction weapons are significantly stronger than nuclear weapons. Its also not their strongest weapons by far. That would be MDEs, which stand for Micro Dimension Eater. Essentially blackhole missiles. A small fighter wing of VF-25s would annihilate a heavy object. Even when it comes down to the anti-air weapons that Heavy Objects employ, by the time of the VF-25 pilots employ EX-gears so that they can survive G-forces in excess of whats normally possible for a human being to endure.

>>13627089

Also, by all indications Reaction Weapons do not create lingering radiation hazards after the initial gamma pulse of the explosion itself. So a small group of Valkyries could fire dozens of Reaction weapons, all of them stronger than traditional nuclear weapons, straight at a Heavy Object with essentially no repercussions.

Are heavy objects shown to be so resistant to nuclear weapons that they could take 20 or 30 direct nuclear blasts and be none the worse for wear?

>>13622456

Oh shoot so there are more things besides the big white cannon ball? Is this show like Bokurano or Eva in that there are monster robot boss fights each episode?

>>13627068
I said smaller, not smallest.

They have "small" anti-Heavy Object weapons, intended to deal damage to other Heavy Objects, in addition to their main guns and small anti-whatever guns.

But you do need to take into account that Objects do have massive reactors; far larger than what mobile suits short of the Turn A's own engine or an ELS'd Quanta can output, and they use a portion of it to power their own BFGs, some of them high-power beam weapons with diameters as large as that of a buster rifle's blast.

Not saying Objects are perfect here, but only focused high-power weapons which are practically BFGs in the Gundam-verse are able to potentially damage an Object, which was designed specifically to resist almost any form of damage, concentrated or not, with their ball core and onion layer armor scheme.

Of course, bombarding them from orbit also works, and Gundam and Macross both have plenty of ships with BFGs on par with or exceeding a Heavy Object's main gun to deal damage. But the OP was referring Gundams and Valkyries themselves. Most of which are not designed to be a mobile fortresses capable of single-handedly razing entire armies and small nations and surviving a massed assault of nuclear missiles.

>>13627089
I forgot about those (keep thinking they're just advanced nukes). So I do take it back that Valkyries would have a harder time.

I don't mind be proven wrong when it comes to reasonable powerlevel wanking.

>>13627171
>Most of which are not designed to be a mobile fortresses capable of single-handedly razing entire armies and small nations and surviving a massed assault of nuclear missiles.
>yfw Amuro did exactly that in the original series

>>13627175

Now if we cut out Macross Frontier and all the manga and games around that era then we'd have a more reasonable battle. I still think though that a squadron of VF-1 Valkyries armed with reaction weapons could take down an object. With heavy losses to be sure. But nowhere near the 500 to 1 ratio shown against traditional jet fighters.

>>13627195
That sounds about right.