What are /m/'s thoughts on zeorymer?

It's ok.

Icicles.

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I love the ova a lot.
It's probably my favorite super robot anime of the 80s besides gunbuster.
It had really kick ass action,mechs, and the most awesome and bombastic score I've heard for it's time

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkF13YQkPx0

>>13620452

It was done by the guy who did the music for Kamen Rider Black RX. Which explains the similarities

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNUTVxUWgMI

>>13620448
Ova is pretty great, I love the animation and soundtrack. It's also pretty impressive how they managed to fit a somewhat decent story and character dynamic in 4 episodes

Also, I loved how it almost felt like the main robot was the one you were supposed to be afraid of. Scary stuff.

"you gave me the face of a woman!!!"

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The OVA sucked. The battles ended up just being uninteresting. Every single one would have Zeorymer getting kicked around when the MC is in bitch-mode, followed with him going rape-mode and just making his enemy explode. Then the plot was rushed and edgy shit, too.

The story is so bad it turns hilarious and the animation is nice

Reminder that Masaki had zero reason to make any of the clones besides Masato, and purposely made five other people with life flaws that made them miserable just so he could have a giggle when hes convoluted plan went into action

>>13620578
Stick to gundam my man

>>13620448
Was this the one where the FemMC was anally rape by tubes while the MC was captured but he got high off watching it?

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>>13620448
>thoughts on Zeorymer

One of my all-time favorite anime projects. Up in my top five, maybe my top three.

I just love it so much. The characters, the mecha, the story, the music, the action, the feels.

Goddamn I loves me some Zeorymer.

>>13620578
>>13620634
>>13620637
Confirmed for potato-level intelligence.

>>13620647
>the action
Whats so great about retardedly one sided stomps? Zeorymer just fist-bumps himself to make the bad guys go boom. What great action!

>>13620578
Of course the battles were all had the MC go rape mode, Zeorymer isn't a good guy until the end when he commits shoryuken to stop Masaki's seemingly inescapable evil plot

>>13620641
In the manga yes, the anime is pretty different though

>>13620578

It was the 80s, people were allowed to be edgy.

>>13620636
>Reminder that Masaki had zero reason to make any of the clones besides Masato

He had a reason, they were all spare bodies.

It was that no matter who won, he could take over.

Was playing SRW J. Noticed both forms of Zeorymer are OP as fuck. Kinda cool though. Decide to watch an episode, realized why there's so little Zeorymer plot in SRW J, proceed to solo the whole game with Zeorymer.

>>13620448
The Original Demonbane.

Also, mecha design is fanatastic.

I'll always love how I think it's Burrstone of the Mountains just gets nukes.

everyone else gets some cool as fuck super science weaponry or gimmick

and this fucking green motherfucker just has legs full of nukes

>>13620448
I'm still disappointed there was no rape scene. There was only a forced kiss and that was it.

>>13622284
I like how it was tied into Evangelion's plot in SRW MX.

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Manga was interesting. But the sequel needs to be translated. It has more mecha variety.

And the usual core suffering.

>>13622440
They actually inserted it in her vagina.

>>13622452
And broke her hymen too. When she's teleported out, there's a blood stain left on the examination bed.

>>13622341

Yes, 500 missiles inside of it, many of them nuclear

>>13622452
Hell, it looks like it's all up in her womb. Ouch.

>>13622440
The manga sounds like crap compared to the OVA. I don't need Valvrave tier rape scenes in my mecha anime.

Would agree on Zeorymer Omega though. It's a cool design.

>>13622480
>Valvrave tier
Look if you want to talk trashy rape you oughta check out Fractale.

>>13622480
>The manga sounds like crap compared to the OVA. I don't need Valvrave tier rape scenes in my mecha anime.
>oh no it had rape
>that means it's automatically shit!

>>13622504
He just doesn't want a specific kind of rape is my guess. I have a feeling that's going to come out sounding rather stupid.

>>13622504
Generally, it does in a mecha show. That shit clashes badly. When your story has cartoonish kung fu giant robots beating the shit out of each other, evil clones, gratuitous hentai rape and JUST as planned within a few chapters of each other, your story is a fucking mess.

It works for something like Berserk, or even Cross Ange seeing as that one is deliberately trashy and the robots kinda play into that as well. Zeorymer actually sounded like it was trying to be good.

I'd probably have to read it to get a better idea though

>>13622529
All I'm seeing is excuses.

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>>13620666
>Whats so great about retardedly one sided stomps?

It's like >>13620520 said:

>the main robot was the one you were supposed to be afraid of. Scary stuff.

Also...

>Zeorymer just fist-bumps himself to make the bad guys go boom.

I love this phrase. Thank you.

>>13620448
I wish more MCs in mecha shows could have a dark personality as the MC of this series. Not even trying to be edgy, it was a nice chance of pace for once.

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>>13622480
>>13622490
>>13622504
>>13622523
>>13622529

Is the rape scene the reason /m/ shits so hard on Valvrave? I've honestly never understood the hate.

Also:
>>13622490
>if you want to talk trashy rape you oughta check out Fractale.

Tell me more about this "Fractale"...

>>13622640
don't say it like a ridiculous rape scene is some minor issue

also no, /m/ shits on it because the second half of the series is the same quality as the first (not good) but without being batshit enough to make it as entertaining.

>>13622640
Some people just bitch real loudly about how they wanted a trainwreck because they're too plebeian to appreciate gothic horror in space.

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>>13622679
>don't say it like a ridiculous rape scene is some minor issue

What made it so ridiculous? How much anime have you watched? I've seen far, far worse (in any definition of "worse" you can think of). Anyway, I didn't think the rape scene was such a big deal. I mean, it wasn't nice, but it wasn't enough to condemn the series.

>also no, /m/ shits on it because the second half of the series is the same quality as the first (not good) but without being batshit enough to make it as entertaining.

I liked it plenty. Cool robots, cool action, neat framing element, the nation-building idea was pretty novel, the space vampire thing was amusing too.

I mean, for me, I just never saw any reason to dislike the show.

And man, dat seppuku power-up -- loved it!

>>13622696
I really loved the first half of Valvrave because it just seemed like every week it was trying to figure out how to pull out an even more insane twist than the week before, starting with all the marketing avoiding showing every edgy or vampiric aspect of the show so that all of that came out of the blue in the first episode.

The second half serioused the fuck up, and that's when a lot of the cracks started showing, mainly centered around Haruto making a constant active string of terrible decisions. I'm not one of the people who gives Shoko flak for telling him to fuck off, he deserved it and more. There's a theme that they were going for, and it's not executed completely incompetently, but it really was a disappointment compared to the first half. If it had been insane bullshit piled on insane bullshit all the way through then it could have been something really special.

The OVA is pretty bad. The only thing it really has going for it is the soundtrack and the fact that meioh is animated very well (it's pretty much the only attack the Zeorymer uses that does much of anything and is used to end every single battle.) It's already short as hell but you wouldn't be missing much by watching the first episode and the last 20 minutes of the final episode.

The manga's ok I guess

>>13622765
Alternatively it could've had its gothic horror lock in faster and we'd have less of the LOLSORANDOM crowd clamoring for randomness for the sake of randomness.

But on the other hand the show was always rife with duality, and having a lighthearted first half pair off with a darker second half is just part of that experience.

But that's totally off topic to the rape question which you really wouldn't want to derail a thread into discussing.

>>13622679

>Most mecha has violent murder.
>Rape is ridiculous guize.

The mecha in HPZ were gorgeous. I love Yasuhiro Miroki's work. He also designed the original mecha designs for Hathaway's Flash.

My question is, did he design Xardion's eponymous main mech, or was that Kazumi Fujita?

>>13622810
The problem wasn't the gothic horror, the problem was that the protagonist really sucked. There are at least half a dozen instances where Haruto has the option to do something that would be smarter, safer, more morally grounded, and EASIER than what he instead decides to do. Once Haruto becomes a vampire he immediately develops an enormous martyr complex that drives every decision he makes, overriding pragmatism, common sense, what's good for the people he's trying to protect, and what's good for the other people risking their lives, many of whom die because of his bad decisions. He makes many of those bad decisions in the first half too, but they become much more egregious in the second.

>>13622898
To be fair, a lot of his decisionmaking is distorted by awful luck and overall incredibly shitty experiences in being a space vampire.

A lot of it could've been headed off by feeding on others, but Haruto's in this position of "I feel like a monster and that's bad enough as is, how could it possibly get any better if I give into the urges?" It's like the total opposite of Saki when she went vamp, where she's just enjoying herself and the worst she got was getting smacked around by the letternumber kids when she decides to be cool girl hero lady without taking the job seriously.

>>13622834

No wait, it was definitely Moriki. I'm silly.

>>13620448
Looks neat.

>>13622679
>don't say it like a ridiculous rape scene is some minor issue
It is a minor issue. The fuck? Why the fuck are there so many tumblrites on /m/?

>>13623673
>so many tumblrites on /m/?

I was wondering the same thing.

>>13623222
>Looks neat.

It is. You should seek it out and watch it. You're in for a treat.

>>13622679
I loved it, it was great. Got some chuckles out of me, not as many as the 08th ms team rape, but close.

>>13622529
>Zeorymer actually sounded like it was trying to be good.

He wrote it for Lemon People, so not really

>>13622816
I think there's a key difference there, but it's not that rape is somehow worse than murder, it's in how it's carried out.

Sure a lot of people get killed in your average mecha anime. Grunts die left and right, key characters will have tragic onscreen deaths, and there will usually be a large-scale atrocity or two. But, more often than not, the death is over relatively quickly (in mecha shows in particular) often bloodlessly, and the story moves on to the aftermath. They'll get blown up, shot, or stabbed, occasionally live long enough to make an inspirational speech and then expire (often leading into an episode where everyone is grieving over the loss of their comrade).

Rape scenes are rarely over as quick, they either fade to black, only implying the actual act, or drag it out to it's natural length. Now, technically you could have a quick rape scene, but that would be ridiculous.
>Villain bursts into the room, boner at the ready.
>Heroine runs screaming but he thrusts in all at once
>"Consider yourself raped, madam."
>Villain leaves
On the other hand, a murder has the option of being over quickly. Many options, in fact, and most people take the quick option for murder scenes. Even in horror movies, it may be gory and gruesome, but if the murderer spend 15 on-camera minutes slowly hacking apart the victim while they scream people will write it off as torture porn. When you draw out the rape scene, it just starts to feel like porn, and not the wholesome kind. Now you may say, "It's supposed to make you feel bad," but it feels really jarring if they don't treat death the same way.

I feel, unless you have a really good reason, it's better just to fade to black and move on to the aftermath, much like how death is treated most of the time. When Matilda died in original gundam, she died and then everyone was sad. There wasn't a 10 minute scene where medics pull her screaming and bleeding from the wreckage and then we have to watch as she bleeds out.

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>>13623882

How long was the rape scene in Valvrave, anyway? I don't remember it being very long or explicit.

>>13623932
More than you'd think, less than you hoped.

>>13623673
>muh tumblr boogeyman
Ever consider that perhaps some of us just don't want that shit where it doesn't belong?

I give zero fucks about how it's muh soggy knee or whatever, it can be a good narrative element if the show/manga/whatever actually makes it mean something, but otherwise it's putting something in for shock value and overdoing it by a metric shitload.

Anyway, I guess what I'm saying is that /m/ and /d/ should stay separate. They don't mix well, no matter what Setsuna wants you to believe.

>>13624130
Rape isn't even /d/, it's just /h/. It's got to at least be a girl doing the raping to qualify for /d/.

>>13624384
I thought it had to at least be urethral insertion for it to be /d/-rape.

>>13624389
Nah, femdom of any kind is enough to get you into /d/. /h/ must be a really vanilla place.

>>13624412
Weird.

I guess I overestimate how deviant /d/ is

>>13624418
You don't. Most of their threads are anything but vanilla, and I actually have seen a femdom thread on /h/ before.

/d/ is just a general fetish board, though, so you do get everything, freaky and mild. But mostly, it's just shitloads of dickgirls.

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I always kind of liked thew original Zeorymer design over the animated one.

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>>13623882
>Villain bursts into the room, boner at the ready.
>Heroine runs screaming but he thrusts in all at once
>"Consider yourself raped, madam."
>Villain leaves

Beautiful, fund it.

>>13624130
>Ever consider that perhaps some of us just don't want that shit where it doesn't belong?
Zeorymer was specifically written for and published in a loli hentai magazine. How the fuck does it NOT belong?

>>13624533
I remember someone once eloquently put it as Zeorymer being a hentai trying to masquerade as a mecha series

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>>13624545

For it's length (short) and the amount of nudity and sexual content, yeah, it pretty much was.

But then, "Chimi Morio" was a loli hentai artist at the time. It of course was the alternate pen name of Yoshiki Takaya, best known as creator of the Guyver.

Even when "he" returned to do the final two chapters of Zeorymer (so they could move on), it had a shot of a loli sex scene, and of course Miku being naked while inside Zeorymer.

So yeah, the manga is definitely a "hentai" series.

>>13624511

It's too Guyver-ish

And I know that's intentional, it's the same creator after all. But I mean that it doesn't look like its own thing, it just looks like a power suit from Guyver.

You guys do realize the "rape" scene wasn't rape at all because Saki was more than willing to have Haruto's D in her right?

>>13624770
>This retarded argument again

>>13622696
>I mean, for me, I just never saw any reason to dislike the show.
Oh so you just have shit taste.

>>13624805
>it's a fact

>>13624545
>I remember someone once eloquently put it as Zeorymer being a hentai trying to masquerade as a mecha series

Much like Iczer-1 and Project A-Ko, then.

>>13624830
Kinda like yer mom
cuz i poop in her mouth, y'see

>>13623882
>>Villain bursts into the room, boner at the ready.
>>Heroine runs screaming but he thrusts in all at once
>>"Consider yourself raped, madam."
>>Villain leaves
That's amazing.

>>13622480
To be fair, different reasons for it.

In Valvrave, it was cause Okouchi was a student of the school of MORE TWISTS! MORE TWISTS! MORE FUCKING TWISTS! THEY'LL COME BACK FOR MORE IF WE KEEP THROWING TWISTS!

With Zeorymer, it was that the one magazine the author was able to get to take the story...well...there were obligations to be fulfilled.

>>13627294
As much as he loves his shocking twists, Okouchi can be a lot more clever than you'd be led to believe.

Like, it's not just twists purely for the sake of it, but rather the biggest twist that can be engineered given current circumstances. A sort of tactical twist as opposed to purely improvised.