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Are transformers okay on /m/?

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Are transformers okay on /m/?
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Yup! Transformers is /m/.
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Transformers is EXTREMELY /m/
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>>13560712
Can i watch G1 Xformer movies as gateway to the franchise?
Is their any chart?
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Did you guys like Devastation?
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>>13560712
Western robots are not allowed. Sorry
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>>13561253
I think it's great as long as you know what you're in for. Which is a bunch of goofy nonsense.

If you're into older mecha anime you might want to check out Masterforce and then Victory. They're probably better if you want something a bit more cohesive.

>>13561280
Loved it. My only complaint is that i wish it had more environments, but the fact that we got a g1 inspired game of this caliber at all is still shocking to me.
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>>13561253
If you wanna watch the G1 movie, just make sure to watch the first 2 seasons of the cartoon, if you wanna watch Beast Machines, make sure to watch Beast Wars before, follow the chornological order if you wanna watch the Unicron Trilogy and that's all I can think of.

>>13561307
>Transformers
>Western robots
>What is Scramble City
>What are Headmasters, Supergod Master Force, Victory and Zone
>What are Beast Wars II and Beast Wars Neo
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>>13560712
no
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>>13561307
I wish idiots like you weren't allowed on /m/.
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>>13561946
Boy, it's a good thing there aren't any other autistic fans here on /m/.
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>>13561950
/m/ is Gunda/m/ containment board.
That's enough, don't need anymore.
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>>13561280

Yeah, good game. But too goddamn short for it's own good.

OP, I would recommend the IDW comics. Forget the Furman era, read everything after All Hail Megatron (the stuff that came before is a nice set up though)
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>>13561280

Got it for my birthday and I love it. My only, very tiny beef is there could be more moves and that Grimlock needs to dodge and wait for a prompt to grapple.
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>>13560712

>>/toy/
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Swindle is best decepticon
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>>13563596
Are you me? Because I just got it for my birthday too and just finished playing it. Loved it too. My only complaint is, like others have said. it's a bit too short. It's like there was a level missing somewhere when the Autobots suddenly are on the Spacebridge to Cybertron, so I'm guessing they had to cut some things. Also wish we got more playable characters, like Ironhide, Prowl/Bluestreak or another one of the Dinobots.
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>>13560712
I wish Transformers had a show running currently that was worth watching
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>>13564104

I still want a Romance of the Three Kingdoms Transformers show someday, with Liu Bei Optimus, Cao Cao Megatron and Dinobot, Arachnia or someone else taking up Sun Quan's position as the third warlord vying for control.
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>>13564130
But then who'd be Lu Bu?
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>>13564144

Dinobot would be a good Lu Bu actually now that you mention him. I always thought Arachnia would be a good fill in for Sun Quan, since she represents a third morphology in the insects while Optimus has vehicles and Megatron has dragons.
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>>13564027

It'll be a damn waste if there's no dlc. Even if it's just additional challenges or boss fights. Best thing would be a deception campaign.
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>>13560712
>robots
>not kaijus,or card games

They arent /m/ bro.
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>>13565611

Disagreed! Beast Wars and Prime are both great.
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>>13565729
>Prime

explain
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>>13560712
Well, we have the tumblrfags on /co/ and the autists from the other Transformers boards on /toy/, I'd say yeah, /m/ is the most okay place to talk about them, as long as we try not to do it too often.
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>>13565735


Primes problem was they were using bayformer models and that is about it the show itself was great still suffers from the usual annoying humans though.

Also how alot of modern transformer shows like to cut down on cast members for both sides I fucking hate that.
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>>13566677
>Also how alot of modern transformer shows like to cut down on cast members for both sides I fucking hate that.

That's more the downsides of 3D CGI compared to traditional animation.

Creating a 3D CGI model for a new character takes much longer than creating a new character design in traditional forms, but once the models are created it becomes cheaper to animate them.
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>>13565882

> as long as we try not to do it too often

Why should it matter how often we have Transformer threads?

>>13566677

I liked Prime's character designs. They might have had Bayformers as a base, but I can't see why that's a problem when the designs in the show had none of the actual issues of Bayformers.
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>>13566784
I digged Sound Waves modernized design he was always the intel gatherer in G1 so they decided to make him a UAV for modern intel gathering.
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>>13561325
Masterforce was my favorite one.
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>>13566677
>still suffers from the usual annoying humans though

I really feel like humans are vital to a Transformers story.

Transformers are giant alien transforming robots. Take away the humans to contrast them with and you lose the "giant" aspect and "alien" aspects.

I do prefer it when the humans are actually capable though. I appreciated that they did that in the Bayformers movies. Another thing they got right.
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>>13567384
>Transformers are giant alien transforming robots. Take away the humans to contrast them with and you lose the "giant" aspect and "alien" aspects.
i beg to differ. some of my favorite transformers content, mostly the cybertron games and the dw war within comics, have little human involvement. it's not so much the giant robot part that draws me to them but kinda how their culture is. i'm the type of guy who wants to learn about how they live more than where they're fighting, i guess. a pre war "sitcom" of transformers would be great, but not like that fucking comic right now.
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>>13569966
Fuck, I'd love it if we ever get a cop show starring Orion Pax based off the recent comics. Maybe get Paul Dini or Dick Wolf to write an episode or two.
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>>13569966
>spoiler
You ARE talking about MtMtE, right?
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>>13570539

Would Megatron be his grumpy but lovable partner or the stylish Mafioso he can never quite get the dirt on?
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>>13570861
yeah. i know its nice art and all, but i prefer don figueroa and simon furman. just my preference for writers and what not. i've also heard its kinda dragging on right now, so not as good as season 1 was.
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>>13560712
Most definitely.
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>>13566677
>Using Bayformer models
Maybe the transformations followed Bayformer conventions but the designs ended up being a lot cleaner in pretty much every case

>suffers from the usual annoying humans though
Prime had the best human characters in the franchise, to the point where Miko was my favorite character throughout the show

>Also how alot of modern transformer shows like to cut down on cast members for both sides
As opposed to how it was in G1 where characters would appear and disappear at random and no one felt important at all because the show had to feature every single toy in the line? I'll take actual character development any day, thanks
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>>13572224

Wanting a little more characters doesn't seem bad though aka I just wanted fucking combiners.
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>>13572023
Season 1 is some really good stuff, really character driven. Then Dark Cybertron happened (which was hit-or-miss, honestly. I liked it more than AHM) and MtMtE just went to a screeching halt. Meanwhile, the artist formerly known as RiD has been on an absolute roll.
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>>13572023
I'm not into the comics. But I remember hearing some people throw a fit over some writer on them not too long back. Some guy saying that Transformers don't have relationships or something? All I remember is seeing people bitch, didn't actually hear much about the cause.
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>>13572325
it might have been the windblade writer, who is a tumblr-ite supposedly. or it might have been some of the idwtrash from /toy/ who hate anything that isn't g1 as fuck.
>>13572235
>formerly known as RiD has been on an absolute roll.
say what?
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>>13572243
I think all Dark Cybertron did was affect the ending of the Tyrest arc (it's clear that Roberts planned an epilogue issue that got relegated to a text story instead). MTMTE S2 being terrible is completely due to Roberts indulging in his obsession with sitcoms and hipster humor and pandering to his tumblr fanbase.
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>>13572528
At least he got back on the saddle with his last 3 issues.

It's too bad that this seasons major arc was barely shown, even if it was a clever way of going about it.
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"Karyuudo Fansubs are currently working on Beast Wars II and hope to have it out early next year! As a preview, they’ve made episode 18 available to watch now."

Well this is news to me.
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How do I even into Transformers? I watched it here and there as a kid but never really got that into it
is it the sorta thing that you need some nostalgia for?
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>>13583311
Watch the G1 cartoon if you want saturday morning cartoon shenanigans.
Beast Wars, Transformers Animated and Transformers Prime are good series that you can watch pretty much on your own.
Also watch the original movie, it's a must regardless.
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>>13583311

No, just read IDW comics.

I had borrowed nostalgia only (as in, never watched G1 but had nostalgia to other shitty transformers shows I watched as a kid)

What really got me into the comics were the Cybertron games though. Pretty good. And with the comics, I started with issue 1 right after All Hail Megatron.
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>>13583383
>IDW comics
>the comic that made Ultra Magnus a midget wearing power armor
No. The earlier issues were pretty good, but the newer stuff's been getting pretty retarded.
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>>13582994
>Karyuudo Fansubs are currently working on Beast Wars II and hope to have it out early next year! As a preview, they’ve made episode 18 available to watch now.

NOICE!
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>>13583311
>How do I even into Transformers?

Hoo boy. That's a tough one. About as tangled as any property can get.

Here's a tip: pretty much every transformers show exists in its own continuity. That makes 'em easy to get into, but makes connecting them hard.

>I watched it here and there as a kid but never really got that into it.

Same here. Beast Wars is what actually made me a fan.

>is it the sorta thing that you need some nostalgia for?

The original show? Yeah. I recommend TF Prime for a current version. It's good.
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>>13561925
When the fuck is someone going to do a decent sub of Beast Wars II and Neo?
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>>13583516
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>>13582994
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XC16N6xxaZ4

tfw still have my magnaboss figure
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>>13567384

Not really. Most stories with the humans are boring as fuck.

This meme needs to die.
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>>13583423

First, it takes real long while to get to the point you're talking.

Secondly, people not fueled by nostalgia don't give a fuck. It's just character development.

And lastly, it doesn't make any difference besides giving Magnus a semblance of personality this time.
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>>13560712
I never realized how /pol/ Megatron is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9l80jUKEcyI&t=4m6s

Replace Cybertron with the white race.
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>>13584200

>Optimus referencing the movie by double-axing Megatron.

god I fucking loved that game.

I hope they come out with a decepticon campaign.
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>>13583870
Those are irrelevant. I've been reading it since the beginning, and MTMTE has been going largely downhill ever since Dark Cybertron.
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>>13572428
Since the new cartoon is "Robots in Disguise" the coic was renamed "The Transformers Vol. 2" Same series, different title.
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>>13583870
>giving Magnus a semblance of personality this time.
You mean like the guy whose only calling in life is to be a soldier and has insecurity in the fact that so much responsibility is placed on him because of his natural, if dry, ability to lead a small team, even though he doesn't want said responsibility in the first place but realizes that sometimes you have to do the difficult thing to get said team through the day?
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>>13561280
It better get a sequel, with more everything.
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>>13586145
It'll have to wait after the upcoming TMNT game.
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>>13585342

No I mean the walking meme that is I CAN'T DEAL WITH THAT NAOOOO G1 Ultra Magnus. Everything that came after is is better. Even the green midget.

You idealised fanfiction Ultra magnus only exists in your head and is in no way shape or form the official Magnus. But I guess you wouldn't be a G1 purist if you had a functioning brain and were able to differentiate between your own fanfiction and official g1 fiction.
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>>13586906
>walking meme
You're the only one who thinks that's his character.
>G1 purist
At no point did anyone show signs of GEEWUN. If you're gonna try arguing a point, bring up something logical instead of spouting buzzwords. A buzzword isn't an argument.
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>>13560724
I came here a week later to post this
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>>13560712
Well technical only head masters
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>>13567384
No.

I'm in Transformers for the giant sentient bots, not meatbags.
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>>13584200
If Megatron is /pol/, then who is Optimus. The only people I can see is either /m/ or /tg/. /co/, while their heart might be in the right place is too simple minded and lack the will to stand.
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>>13561253
There was a chart some of the Transformers fans on /co/ made a couple of years back, but i can't seem to find it on my computer.

But yes, you can start with the G1 movie, though I'd suggest watching seasons one and two before it. It's typically 80's goofy, and has a lot of animation errors, but the voice acting is enjoyable and the episodes are still fun overall.

There was a season three after the movie too, which is really spotty in quality, but has a couple of really good episodes (and a couple of the worst ones ever made, like Carnage in C Minor).

Japan continued with G1 with Headmasters, Masterforce and Victory. Masterforce and Victory are pretty loosely connected to the original series and are series that sort of stand on their own. Victory is my favorite of this era.

If you want to go beyond the 80's stuff, Beast Wars is great, though dated looking. Transformers Animated has wonky animation, but is one of my favorite series aside from Victory. Transformers Prime is nice looking, but tends to have better story ideas than executions. Still worth checking out though. Rescue Bots is silly fun. Haven't checked out Robots in Disguise yet.
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>>13586906
Except if you actually watch the 86 movie it makes it a point to clarify how Magnus feels about being in a leadership role. Get your head out of your ass.
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>>13591287
optimus is anti pol of course. but not tumblr because they whine, and can't stand up for themselves.
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>>13561946
>4chan /toy/ is shit
>8 chan /toy/ is nonexistent
Kill me
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One thing that I found hilarious in G1 and the recent TF: Rescue Bots show is Primes' choice in picking leaders.

In Transformers Rescue Bots:

Heatwave: I think this plan is stupid.

Prime: Good observation! That's why you're now the leader!


In G1:

Silverbolt: I'm afraid of heights.

Optimus: There's a cure for that. LEADERSHIP! Good luck juggling a bunch of rag tag hot shots instead!
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>>13561946
>/co/ Transformers fans are psychotic tumblrists
>/toy/ Transformers fans are legit mentally ill and hate any mention of Transformers fiction (including some people ordering Canadian versions of the toys which don't include comics)

Can't /m/ just be chill
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>>13596460
wait, is 8 chan not filtered anymore?
wait yeah it is.
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>>13597086
Considering the relative activity of this thread in comparison to the others, I'd say we are fairly chill.
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>>13560712
So is this pretty much the best G1 Optimus aside from MP?
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>>13599980
Pretty much. If you like later G1, there's a new Powermaster Optimus on the way.
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>>13602160
Holy shit, is this real life? I thought they'd never get around to remaking Powermaster Prime.
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>>13602880
Why? It's a post-2010 retail Transformers toy. It's gonna be trash.
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>>13602892
Depends on your definition of trash. Still, most Primes are either rehashes of G1, or his G2 design.
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>>13602160
I'm looking forward to this. I always wanted the original but he's just such a brick.
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Make way, plebs.

AMAZING ROAD WARRIOR coming through.
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>>13608175
BAHNNNIINNGUUUUU JASSTTIIISSUUUU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U14JHcgHhJg
Oddly enough, Tatsuya and Convoy might get along if they ever meet
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>>13608200
why is the transformers animated op so goddam good? if it was animated like that the series would easily be my favorite transformers series.
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>>13566018
Wait did the movie cap off S2 or S3?\

>>13570873
Based on recent comics? Megatron is basically Lenin, while Orion Pax is trying to find a (Mostly) peaceful way to end the corruption from within. (Normal Police vs Secret Police)
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>>13613326
the movie was inbetween s2 and s3
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>>13613986
So S4 was that five episode bit with the Rage Plague, revival of Optimus, and the intro to Headmasters?
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>>13614022

Hate Plague and Optimus returning was the end of season 3, the intended end of the series.

Season 4 is only 3 episodes long. It's basically, "Here's the Headmasters and Sixhot the end."
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>>13614029
>Here's the Headmasters and Sixhot the end."
and it sucked because there wasnt enough six shot.
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The would could always use more Sixshot.
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>>13599980
>tfw i found the original classic op for cheap but with no guns
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>>13599980
Eh...
I have that one and an anniversary re-issue of the original toy. Obviously the original doesn't have the articulation of the newer designs but I still lean toward the original. The evolutions doesn't really seem G1 to me, but it is a cool toy.
Also I have the Galaxy Convoy (which is Armada/Cybertron/Whatever Optimus Prime which is pretty swish. The truck mode is even less G1 than the other one, but the combined robot mode looks really good imho (not mine, but pic related).
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>>13614351

Well that's what we have Headmasters for.
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>>13566018
Fucking animation was fucking movie/ call of the primitives crisp. G1 could've lasted longer if it wasn't for cheap Korean animators and fucking TST shit.
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>>13602160
>Retooling Magnus
>JUST MAKE IT HOLLOW

Normally I never listen to Hasbro whiners but god damn I miss my leader class toys being too heavy for my weak child arms to lift.
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>>13585342
I like Ultra Magnums being more if a symbol and standard. Post-reveal sorts sucks cause you obviously know the truth, but what can you do?
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Something I'll never understand with Transformers is how much support and dicksucking G1 has. As a show I think it's worse than the shittiest segments of the Unicron Trilogy, and design wise they are all very basic. Beast Wars as far as I remember is the only one that's still worth watching as an actually quality show, and the coolest designs are probably all BW/BM, RID, and Unicron Trilogy stuff.
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>>13622046
>the coolest designs are probably all BW/BM, RID, and Unicron Trilogy stuff.
Mah nigga. Those designs especially rid for me are 10/10. I still love the offshoots of g1 like the idw comics and dw comics, but the series is pretty much an introduction to the other parts of the series.
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>>13622046
were you born in the 90's?
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>>13622771
93, though the only stuff that I even close to grew up with is the Unicron Trilogy. Rest I watched retroactively.

>>13622681
Yeah the comics stuff is indeed nice. I see peeps above me are talking about Ultra Magnus. Dude was pretty cool in RID.
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>>13623240
born 95, i mostly watched beast wars and rid growing up. quite a bit of g1 too since my dad got me the tapes.
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>>13623283
Nice! I was poor fag and new to the States back in the days of Beast Wars and RID. I only started getting the right TV channels when Armada came out, which has unfortunately spoilt me since in that as a grown up I think the show itself is mediocre but even then Starscream's characterization throughout was awesome. Armada Starscream best Starscream.
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>>13623311
armada starscream is pretty great, it did alot right with the character and just changed it from what it usually was. i was a poorfag back then too.
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>>13623283
Another 95 here. Watched Beast Wars with my older brothers in my days as a wee little child, and according to my family my first words were "stasis lock" (to this day I'm unsure if they're messing with me or not). I also grew up on taped of the G1 cartoon, with the movie being the biggest thing for me. Must have rewatched it a hundred times when I was a kid, so I'm pretty deep in G1 despite being born after it.

One of my brothers is a hard geewunner though, he'll shit on anything based on the way it looks, though, and won't see how good it is until way after its over, like he did with Animated and Prime.
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If you don't read MTMTE you are a faggot
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>>13625803
But the target audience seems to be faggots.
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>>13611472
>dick kicking
>is clearly punching his dick
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G1 Megatron is a little bitch nigga.
BW Megatron is the shit.
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>>13622046
It's probably because every new series after the Beast Wars series are just reinvisioned versions of G1. And all the comics ever do anymore is G1, with sporadic new characters.
That said, I thought Animated was still pretty decent, even if it really needed one more season.
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>>13627935
Sorry. It was part of a series.
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>>13628352
I'm gonna need the rest of that series.
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>>13628359
seconded.
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>>13628359
>>13628367
Delivering.
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>>13628608
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>>13628615
I suppose dick hitting would probably be a more accurate title for this series.
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>>13628620
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>>13564104
There is a show in the works at the moment. It has some interesting names in the crew.
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LET'S SAY GO
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>>13628622
That's all I have.
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>>13602160
>new Powermaster Optimus

Which, ironically, is a Headmaster.
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>>13628717
Pictures?
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>>13583423
Say what?
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>>13628752
The one-offs tend to be exceptions, like that one series that's basically an homage/parody to the god-awful plots of the marvel comics.

Mainline series? It's going down the toilet.
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>>13591543
That's still barely any depth.
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>>13628982
>like that one series that's basically an homage/parody to the god-awful plots of the marvel comics.
Which one is that?
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>>13560712
They are /m/anly.
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>>13628751
Here's the Headmaster figure. Designed to look like Ginrai/Hi-Q.

As much as I like that they're bringing back Headmasters, I wish that the Power/Targetmasters were getting some love too.
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> The heat death of the universe is coming I tell you! Coming!
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>>13629062
http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Transformers_vs._G.I._Joe
It doesn't take itself seriously which helps.
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Franchise newbie here (Watched beast wars and Energon as a kid), getting back into things with War for/Fall of Cybertron and Transformers prime. I just beat the games and started the cartoon. I know that the games and Prime aren't meant to be directly connected, but what happened to the ark? It's a bit jarring to go from a giant spaceship full of autobots to just 5
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>>13632995
Forget about the aligned universe thing. Hasbro never put in any effort to realize it.
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>>13632999
Trypticon has spoken.
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>>13633008
Kickass design, awful boss fight
>We will never ever get a show with the WFC art direction
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>>13633017
>We will never ever get a show with the WFC art direction
It hurts to live. The current Prime/Transformers Animated CGI mash up is painful.
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>>13633017
On the bright side, he'll be getting a new release here in the next couple of years that might draw on the design.
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>>13640018
Best heels on a mech ever?
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>>13633647
I missed out on Generations Metroplex and the aftermaket prices are almost 3rd party levels.

But I need both of them to be squaring off on my desk tho.
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>>13640058
You must have a large desk.
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>>13622046
The G1 references are half the reason BW is awesome, though.

The other half is Dinobot.
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>>13622046
Beast Machines is shit though.
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Will these two ever do it?
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Finally got round to playing Devastation today
Anyone else catch the Exkaiser Obari pose reference in the Menasor fight? That was fucking hype
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>>13641882
Do you have a source?
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>>13641918
Issue 22 of the 2009-2011 series, titled just "The Transformers" (not to be confused with the current The Transformers that used to be called Robots in Disguise).
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>>13641935
Thanks for that, it is available on the internet right?
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>>13641906
That whole fight was hype. I love that boss theme.
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Devastation is probably the hypest shit ever. It even includes a few elements for War for Cybertron fans.
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>>13642921
it really is hype
i remember an anon saying how its formula could be used for a getter robo video game with the dodges being open gets and whatnot. platinum needs to make more super robot fightan games
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>>13643399
>>13642921
>final chapter, everyone's there so you know shit's real
>fighting Devastator and Menasor at the same time
The game seems kinda easy at some spots since I managed to get an S-rank on that on my first try, but then again maybe it's because I'm too used to these kinda games.

Also, the Menasor pose needs to be added to that collage. You know the one.
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>>13631117
>I wish that the Power/Targetmasters were getting some love too.
Scoop waited and waited on those shelves for you.
>>13633116
We'll see soon enough how the Machinima series will be.
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>>13643727
>machinima series
wtf? isn't machinima dead in the water? or is this a different machinima from the youtube channel?
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>>13643957
how about some gifs from the game?
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>>13644040
>Was wondering how they were gonna handle his alt form
>They give G1 Megs a tank form

Eh.....I'll allow it.
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>>13644040
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>>13644051
>>13644049
a flying gun would be cool but at the same time hilarious to watch. i think a tank worked out better with the game design.
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>>13644055
i think that's all i have from the game.
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>>13644049
It's based on the generations toy, which in turn is a slight retool of a (newish) Armada Megatron toy. A shame too since the toy's kinda mediocre.

Hell, a lot of the designs in the game were based on newer toys. Bumblebee's is slightly based on his mini-cooper-esque toy from around 06 or 07, Wheeljack's based on the generations toy released a few years ago, and that exact toy was recolored for the Decepticon ground troops.
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>>13644066
Huh. Okay.
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>>13644066
Now if only we could get a new Voyager or Deluxe Soundwave since it's beginning to feel like the MP will never see a rerelease.
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>>13644040
>earth put all its final hopes on you...hahaha... pathetic
based shit talking megs
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>>13644066
I imagine it was intended as G1 megs first. Armada second. It's funny the G1 version seems to have sold very well but no one wants Aramada one.

> Mediocre

I'm just glad to finally have a Megatron who can stand eye to eye with the MP-10 and Soundwave.
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>>13644693
This is cute, but I like the Stunticons one more.
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>>13643688

Is a combiner made completely from different Megatrons? That's pretty awesome, if so.

>>13644049
>>13644055

Shockwave still transforms into a gun. Soundwave, meanwhile, doesn't transform into anything in the entire game.
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>>13560712
how do they transform exactly are they made up of nano machines or something?
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>>13645699
> how do they transform
The pieces all move around
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>>13645699
Like this.
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>>13645699
>nano machines
is this metal gear:age of extinction?
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>>13645699
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Beast Wars Masterpiece toys status: Happening
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>>13651882
maybe it's too soon to ask this but

Big Convoy MP when
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>>13640045
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>>13651882
holy fuck where do these come from? a japanese catalog? why is the news coming from takara first and not hasbro? i need answers!
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