Why are American mecha so hideous?

Rough and practical is appealing too nigga

Kira pls, those are fine.

>>13541700
You have no idea what you're on about.

BT mecha aren't "rough" nor practical, they're obtuse and weird, attempts at first to imitate Dougram its daddy, the spinning off into nothing.
American mecha designers at large have no experience and so their machines are shit. They don't know what they want when they go for humanoid stuff and it comes out as janky shit.

You get good stuff a lot, like Doug Tennapel, Rob Schrab, Syd Mead, Star Wars in general, etc. but BT is bottom of the barrel stuff.

>>13541690

Why would you pick a franchise with some of the most tolerable designs to shipost with

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>>13541775
>>13541690
So, Battletech Thread? I want to get into it. I always thought the Atlas looked pretty neato.

>>13541791
No, there's already one of those and /tg/ has generals.

Additionally, I disagree with >>13541775. In your picture alone for instance you have a design which is broken up way too much. If you smoothed it out or removed the excessive paneling and beveling it'd be the same, but cleaner. As it is it has no reason to look as it is except to try and be cool, something it easily could've done without the extra attempt at realism.

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>>13541690
Because they attempt to look like natural progressions of armored war machines instead of giant masked super heroes in armor.

>>13541806
>In your picture alone for instance you have a design which is broken up way too much. If you smoothed it out or removed the excessive paneling and beveling it'd be the same, but cleaner. As it is it has no reason to look as it is except to try and be cool, something it easily could've done without the extra attempt at realism.
Oh look, the MUH TUBE ROBOTS autist. You know what you just said applies to probably 99% of Japanese mecha design, right?

>>13541806

Oh look its Dr. Retard of the Internet University School of Robot Arts

If you're gonna shitpost about BT, you could at least rag on the awful 80s artstyle used for way too many designs. The more modern lineart is so much better it isn't funny.

>>13541865
Yes, actually. I didn't know I'd garnered a reputation at this point, I guess that's cool.

To be frank, though I've said this a million times before too, there's no real good thing to be said about glass robots either. Japanese robots have different aesthetic issues when compared to particular American robots but bad shit is bad shit.

Also, I've never argued in favor of tube robots. They are what they are, but not the best or worst. Dougram has varied designs, from the extra-blocky Crab Gunner to the Mackerel, which is much more rounded and smooth as befits its role as an aquatic machine. No seventies tube robots there. Similarly the American AT family is pretty nice as a group of similar-philosophy based machines.

>>13541891
Counterargument please.

On second thought, I guess disliking BT and posting about it in a thread that isn't even mine is no help to anybody.

Different strokes for different folks. I really like all kinds of robots but as I'd said I think BT overdoes some things in a way that is unbecoming, something else I repeat a million times. I don't want to be an autist any more, it's no fun. It's no good to say these things over and over. Sorry to be a bother, I guess?

Shame on me for doing OP's shitposting job for him. Oh well.

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>>13541844
I don't know what you think armoured war machines look like.

That looks like the natural progression of a 90s' plastic children's toy.

>>13541844
That's based on a design based on a design based on a Marauder.

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>>13541844
Something like AT-TE looks like a natural progression of a war machine and it has an interesting visual design. That looks neither practical nor elegant.

>>13541690
I like the tops, the legs are shit though 2bhwu familidad

>>13542109
>Something like AT-TE looks like a natural progression of a war machine and it has an interesting visual design.
...Because? Are you actually going to elaborate on any of this?

>That looks neither practical nor elegant.
There's nothing practical about any of Star Wars' walkers.

>>13542109
I like the AT-TE, but I don't see how it's practical or elegant, seems more clumsy, possibly random.
>>13542125
I do like the one on the left in OP's pic because it has that kinda WWII bomber nose feel, and that appeals to me.
>>13542129
I'll elaborate for him. It looks like a beetle with troops inside and that's cool.

>>13542129
>Because?
It's low to the ground.

Its slow speed is justified by shields being vulnerable to slow moving objects.

It has a turret that can shoot in more directions than "dead ahead".

Its shape evokes a beetle, a turtle, and a real tank without looking exactly like any of those things.

It's easily distinguishable from other mecha in and out of its universe, even those built with the same philosophies.

>>13542145
>>13542155
Beetle mind.
Nice cloned digits.

Westerners, particularly Americans, are obsessed with realism and have a staggeringly fragile suspension of disbelief. If it's not practical, realistic, or gritty, it's seen as immature kiddy shit.

>>13542171
But BT is quite aware that it's full of shit and rolls with it anyway.

>>13542171
Unfortunately they have an equally poor grasp of reality.

>>13541988
>>13542059
>>13542109

Completely missed the point of the post. Is OP implying American mecha are hideous because they follow the walking tank design philosophy instead of the action superhero Gundam philosophy of design?

>>13542155
>It's low to the ground.
It seems around the same height as the AT-ST. With a high up glass cockpit.
>Its slow speed is justified by shields being vulnerable to slow moving objects.
How the fuck does going slow make you less vulnerable to slow moving objects, such as being boarded?
>It has a turret that can shoot in more directions than "dead ahead".
But still more limited than a real tank's turret.

>>13542109
>≥AT-TE
≥≥Glass box for cockpit at the front of the machine
≥≥exposed chair ad gunner position on top of machine
≥≥natural progression of armoured war machine

you need a better example

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Americans are literally incapable of designing anything aesthetically pleasing.

Just look at their aircraft.

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>>13542216
>dissing the 22

>>13542198
>How the fuck does going slow make you less vulnerable to slow moving objects, such as being boarded?
Jesus, you're dumb.

Shield lets slow moving objects through.

Beetle tank go slow.

What happen next?

I don't care if I get laughed at, Gipsy Danger is an amazing design.

>>13542216
REAL war machines aren't supposed to look "aesthetically pleasing", Sherlock. They're going to war, not the fashion runway.

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>>13542213
Muh deflector shields
Muh deflector shields
Muh fantasy setting need not follow your preconceptions of how war would progress.
>>13542216
>
>>13542218
23 is sexier

>>13542171
Ah, so that's why there's so many damn Gundam threads on this board.

As a burger whose favorite anime all had Imagawa involved in production, I apologize on behalf of my countrymen's shit taste.

>>13542225
Not my favourite looking Jaeger but damn I liked the way it walked.

>>13542224
You develop a method of safely planting a slow moving explosive on the walker. Which won't be hard, since, as you said, the walker is slow and its only defence would be shooting shit before it can get too close.

Oh look, it can't aim up.

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>>13542230
Tell that to Sukhoi.

>>13542246
>You develop a method of safely planting a slow moving explosive on the walker
No. God dammit you idiot, the walker goes through the shield.

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>>13542236
:DDD BURGER
>>13542242
>>13542225

>>13542247
I don't see anything special or revolutionary about its shape.

>>13542250
BECAUSE IT'S NOT LIKE STAR WARS'S SPACE SHIPS AND SHIT CAN SLOWLY HOVER FORWARD OR ANYTHING. IT'S NOT LIKE WHEELS AND TRACTOR THREADS CAN MOVE IN FIRST GEAR.

The problem I have with the walking-tank style is that it's just as unrealistic as humanoid style, but would be really easy to fix by just replacing the legs and turning the thing into a slightly silly shaped tank.
I find it easier to suspend disbelief with a silly idea that's very silly than with a silly idea that could very easily be a lot less silly.

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>>13542234
That doesn't make the 22 any less sexy

>>13542216
I SWEAR ON ME MUM YOU BETTER TAKE BACK WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT EAGLE-CHAN OR I'LL WREK U M8.

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>>13541690
Those mechs look fine to me.

Why not use some that actually do look awful? The Albatross comes to mind.

antropomorphic mechs are impractical in some cases too, i think that the "american design" focus too much on its functions and development, and the result is a boring, tank-ish square thing.

always liked the concepts for the metaru gears, they seem a bit "appealing" for our reality, a balance between function and design -rex is badass-

(sorry for my broken english)

>>13542385

Even that thing looks great from a raw industrial, this shit works, function dictates form point of view. Not a single wasted c-bill, raw functionality.

>>13542504
>not a wasted C-Bill
>XL mech with thin armor
The thing is a walking waste of money.

>>13542504
That thing looks like a piece of shit in terms of functionality. It's pointlessly overdesigned to appear industrial.

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>>13542216

Nigga you hating on the A-10?

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>>13542531
That's because that rendition kinda is.
Too many right angles, if you ask me.

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You guys need to pull out some proto-mechs, or older designs or something.

>>13542572
>implying the Stalker isn't unironically great

destroids, destroids everywhere.

>>13541690
>American mecha so hideous
They are an ugly fat people with no subtlety.

There are no such thing as american beauty, everything good is a mix of Europe, Africa and Asia.

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>>13542598
>redraw old 80's anime
>badly
>AMERICAN MECHA
This

>>13542572
I actually liked the stalker, it worked well with my marauder.

>>13541690
American designs? Didn't they just steal everything from Dougram, Macross and Votoms?

>>13542632
>a bald eagle delivering napalm onto an orphanage of brown children is not beautiful

>>13542644
>steal
No they licensed, legally.
Don't go Full Corean, bro.

>>13542658

ok macek go suck a dick.

>>13542683
Wrong -Tech, faggot.

>>13542688

same shit different donut steel.

>>13542230
Its one thing to win a war.

Its another to win or lose a war in style.
Look at the germans, they lost the war, but nobody denies that they had great uniforms and sexy tanks. Let anyone have a look at their uniforms, and their first thought is likely to be "Goddamn, that's a good-looking uniform".

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>>13541690

>Talking shit about BattleTech

>>13542572
>Well you can tell by the way I use my walk I'm a woman's man, no time to talk

>>13542694
Huge machinery decorated with logos and sayings has got to be one of my favorite things.

>>13542587
Guess I should have used Urban mech, or the retarded mech that's just missile launcher with legs.

>>13542905
>4 Clan ERPPCs
>Some of the best genetics, passed down for generations
>A decade of combat experience on the harshest of battlefields

and
>Some dumb fucker in an atlas

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>>13542913
That would be even worse. If there's anything we love it's the trashcan. Even the Yeoman brings the WUBWUBWUB

>>13542922
Who's the dumb fuck? The clanner who should have ripped the Atlas apart from across the field? Or the badass who walked up the a long range clan mech that has 4 weapons that could kill it instantly and did some fist/face redecoration. All without getting a single fucking scratch on him.

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>>13541690
>Why are American mecha so hideous?

Eastern Cool is predominantly elegant -- i.e."pretty."
Example: Final Fantasy
Western cool is predominantly gritty -- i.e. "ugly."
Example: Fallout

/thread

>>13542971
Are you saying modern FF looks good?
And you're ok with having said that?

>>13541690
I agree. Western mech designs are shit.

As a person who only knows BattleTech as a 3rd-party follower, I've been meaning to ask this for a while.

Is there anything stopping the Unseen from coming back out? I mean, Reseen, or any fan insistence on seeing the original designs re-released as they are aside.

What is stopping a hired artist from updating the design so that it has sufficient differences from the original? Or is it that even with a total redesign, somewhere in that tangle of legal jargon there's a part that allows one side to keep challenging the other in court on the basis of a prior case made, until one side runs out of funds for lawyer's fees?

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>>13542983
You got a problem

>>13543000
>Glorious Nippon artists! Folded 1000 times!

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Shut the fuck up everyone, western mechas are for losers. You all are now posting in a STRIKE FREEDOM threads.

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>>13543020
>>13543024

>Attempted derail
>With one of the agreed-upon worst designs in all of Japanese mecha

Step up your game.

>>13542649
>bald eagles
>beautiful

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>>13543014
>not posting superior AMERICAN design.
>silly EBIN katana memepost
Sasuga Whito Piggu

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>>13543003
They did that with the Reseen, and now they're doing it again to make them closer

>>13543030
>With one of the agreed-upon worst designs in all of Japanese mecha
And it's one of the most popular.

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>>13543034
>dark thing clanking in shadow at night
Why are you so ashamed of yer mecha burgers??
Are they perhaps too ugly??

>>13543048
kekekek. They couldn't render it well enough in light. Too taxing on the equipment.

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>>13543049
>>13543040
>>13543024
>>13543020
>buttmad burger falseflagging this hard

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>>13543035
Go home Kira you're drunk, or do we need to call Bright to set you straight.

>>13543054
>buttmad burger
This would make a good name for a diner.

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>>13543055
Del Taco isn't American, jus saying senpai.

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>>13543003
The shitty thing about the Unseen is all the designs that were actually commissioned for battletech that they don't use anymore for fear of opening themselves up to more legal action.

>>13543103
His design staff mostly was though.

>>13543140
I guess my query was more of that "Well the Reseen shows that they can turn the original designs a 180 if they need to, what's stopping them from doing a 90 for the Unseen themselves?"

In >>13543037 the designs are clearly too close to the originals (unfortunately the last I've seen of them on battletech.com is that the Unseen will remain Unseen) but some of the Reseen are close enough to the original that I can see the resemblance, yet they don't look similar enough to get hit with the stick, so I ended up wondering about why the original Unseen were still Unseen after so long. Eg. the -9S Warhammer is differentiated enough from the original destroid's design so I've wondered if there's a legal snare somewhere that allows the "degree of resemblance" to be challenged in a court case (if there's even something like that in the legal world) or if it's just the feelings of the fans and company that they want to release the designs as preserved to their old form/silhouette as possible.

Kind of like how Bandai frequently hires others to redesign details from Mobile Suits from older series for kit re-releases... but I guess this is a poor example since Bandai owns all of those materials in the first place anyways.

And to find out that other designs unrelated to the originals' legal snare being pulled is kind of a pity. That should never have happened.

According to news on Catalyst's site dated August 2015, though, they're trying it again for the originals, so... good luck and all the best, eh?

Because they've been ripping off Kawamori's Macross designs for decades.

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>>13543438

>>13543408
>tower shield and a Magella cannon
No this is just stupid

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>>13543020
Am I the only one who likes Strike Freedom a lot more without it's dragoons? The backpack looks like some crazy fucked up Zone of the Enders thing without them. The dragoons themselves are the ugliest funnels in Gundam, but I like it just fine with them off.

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>>13543462
looks weird but cool
>>13543463

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>>13543471

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>>13542554
Everyone loves the A-10

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>>13543475

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>>13543479
if the real a-10 look like this ya
>>13543482
need more later /m/en

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>>13543189
What's going on is they are finally, FINALLY retconning the Unseen into this new art and dropping the japanese designs entirely (not that I don't love them, but an entire segment of extremely common battlemechs being just absent from all the art taking place in those eras was just... shitty). Used to be, the old designs were still canon for the classic chassis, and only designated Phoenix mechs were actually Reseen.

After seeing the actual mini at PAX, I am incredibly excited for the new shit.

>>13543522
Muvluv mecha look like shit desu senpai

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>>13543526
smd desu senpai

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>>13542913
Pick an actual irredeemable battlemech.
Like the War Dog.

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>>13543636
I dunno, I like the way that one looks.

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>>13543636
>irredeemable
>War Dog
>Not the Shogun

>>13543662
Meh, the Shogun at least has the normal PPC version. The War Dog has two one-shot SSRM-2s. And five tons of gauss ammo. FIVE TONS.
Also why is that thing Drac, seriously. It's basically only a Dragoons design.

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>>13543655
Once you realize it's an egg hanging between two legs that reach all the way to the armpits, it gets way worse.

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>>13543681
I fail to see the issue.

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少なくてもアメリカに作る技術は有る

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>>13542348
mmmm

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>>13543655
That laser blade will always look like a gun to me.

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>>13543717
this, mostly.

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>2439
>not liking battlemechs
PERIPHERY FUCKING SHITS

>>13543752

holy shit twin-linked cocks senpai

More examples if you please

>>13542250
This thread is shit, but this picked my interest: do SW shields work like in Dune? I thought the only limitation was needing one type for physical weapons and another one for energy beams, layered on top of each other.

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Four guns for twice the fun.

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>>13543758

>>13543767
>four
>twice
what

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>>13543779
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I don't understand the "western mechs are more realistic" meme.
Blocky and over-detailed isn't realistic, it's just ugly and it certainly isn't at all "walking tank" in appearance as much as it is "tons of scrap metal bolted together".

>>13543796

What is that thing?

>>13543765
>picked my interest

piqued

>>13543865
>those hands

LAW ABIDING CITIZENS, PLEASE LEAVE THE AREA

>>13543865
That's exactly what I'm trying to say all the time, god damn why can't I talk properly through my autism.

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>western mechs will never be this sexy

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>>13543924
>hook crotch
>dumb spike on back
>transforms into a brick
lol

>>13541690
Because giant robots are to Japan what Superman is to America.
There is an old Shinto belief that is an object was worked on by a hardworking craftsman and was showered with care anf affection, It could gain a kind of "soul".
Giant Robots are more than just fighting machines, they are symbols, they are heroes.
They represent the optimism that took hold of Japan during the economical boom after WWII. The collective effort of all of Japan to build after everything was destroid.
They represent the memories of the horrors of war times. Big Walls of steel that protect the new generations from these dark times and the mistakes of the last generation.
They are a cultural manifestation of the "Japanese Miracle", brillant minds and the will of the people coming together to create a machine that shall build the future, a perfect marriage of science and miracle. A future made of Steel.

America doesn't see it like that, they just see them as cool robots. They already have their heroes: Superman, Batman, Captain Marvel, etc.
But Japan's heroes were not born, but built, because they are representations of the hopes and dreams of all the citizens they protect.

In american, heroes wear capes.
In Japan, heroes are made of not just steel and iron, but blood, sweat, hopes and dreams.

>>13544030
nippon stronk

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I'm fine with BT stuff overall, but they could really do with a better sense of articulation. Even the MWO designs, baring the light weight mechs like the Commando and Spider, still look pretty stiff and cumbersome. Like they wouldn't be able to bend their knees and pivot their hips and thighs far enough to get back up after a bully 100 tonner pushes them over on the mech playground.

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Love the AT ST.

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>>13544030
That is fascinating.

I think American robots are "hideous" fairly purposefully, in context of BattleTech, because they are war machines first and foremost.

Although... even then, BattleTech has trouble being convincing. I wish we had Gunpla quality miniatures...

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>>13544192
Quack quack.

>>13544192
>I think American robots are "hideous" fairly purposefully, in context of BattleTech, because they are war machines first and foremost.
Read:
>>13543865
There is a difference between "functional ugly" like designs from maschinen krieger and "retarded and ugly" like most of what shows up in battletech.

>>13541690
Mecha is more niche in America and consequently doesn't have as many professionals working on it.

The Battletech 'mechs weren't designed by artists.

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>this whoooole thread

>>13544201
Yes, yes. I do not imply they look like competently designed warmachines, I imply that they are designed without the qualities >>13544030 describes in mind. No greater principles or aspirations than "a walking tank", but as an added bonus, made by a designer without proper training, motivation, or even a decent wage.

You don't need to tell me BattleTech mechs are stupid-looking when I've mentioned the same thing in the post you were referring to.

>>13544151
So do Ewoks.

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>>13543924
.

>>13545215
/thread

>>13544225
Conclusion: Americans can't draw, whether it be mecha, or their own nation's map.

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Battletech suffer(ed)s from shit artists, Take the Black Lanner for instance: We have >>13544193 and then we have pic related. Same 'Mech except one looks like a retarded fat duck, and the other one looks like ED-209s big brother

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>>13545638
>Western concept arts
>holy shit, so good, all the best parts of animu minus the Uguu shit
>they're all chinks or euros
KEEEEEEEEEEEKS

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Only shit american mecha is the F-35.

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>>13544209
Is it easier for an artist to have good mechanical sensibilities or an engineer to have good aesthetic sensibilities?

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There were still some good mechs designs in Battletech.

Tell me the Summoner is a bad design, I dare you. It just fired coolness factor the way it looked, good all around mech.

>>13546171
Those arms look like they'd snap off at any moment and you have a huge blind spot on the left of the cockpit. Shit's dumb.

>>13543046
Then you must enjoy twilight and that gay popular kid with retarded voice

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>>13546171
>There were still some good mechs designs in Battletech.

I agree. Pic related.

>Tell me the Summoner is a bad design, I dare you.

Buddy, that's a REALLY bad design.

>It just fired coolness factor the way it looked, good all around mech.

Well... different strokes for different strokes, I guess. That Summoner thing looks a misshapen, awkward, dumpy, shappy, rickety, sluggish heap of crap to me.

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>>13546224
>shappy

Errrr, I meant to "shabby."

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Western mechs are the best. Reminder that the west invented mecha and japan just copied them.

>>13546256
I don't understand
Are you trying to say mabu rabu is western or that they have copied west?

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>>13546268
Both sorta. In the Muv-Luv universe the US created the first TSF (mech) and some countries copied the design. For example Russia's MiG-21.

>>13546268
yes
no

>>13546297
But even if they have been copied in-universe, it doesn't really mean they are western superior mecha as they have been purely designed by Japanese. I don't realistically see them belonging in a thread about western mecha.

>>13546334
This thread's been a shitshow since the Strike Freedom guy showed up, don't pay anything any mind.

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>>13546334
This thread stopped being about western "superiority" a long time ago.

>>13546343
>>13546355
I see. Not that I mind, Muv Luv is great, only the mechas look too human to me.

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>>13546366
Maybe the A-6 is more your cup of tea.

>>13546373
Still too human, I'm picky. Susanoo was great.

>>13546355
Man, somehow Strike Witches manages to get a feel for a bipedal plane better than muv-luv. Neat, look at those tiny details, too bad most of the TSFs look more the same than different which can't be said about the planes they are based on.

>>13546256
>MUH KNEES: the LN

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What does every one think of the reinvented Marauder?

>>13546404
I'd say Japan has more head having strange back thingie mechs.

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>>13546448
>which can't be said about the planes they are based on.
A lot of planes do look similar though. Like the F-2/F-16 and all the Flanker derivatives.
>MUH KNEES: the LN
The knees hold ammunition and combat knives.

>>13546404
I know this is a bait image but the one on the left still has massive problems. Mainly that it suffers from the typical kibbles & bits and random patterns and lining shit that is uncharacteristic of the silhouette and motif.

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>>13546448
I am reasonably certain that if I asked a random person with no interest in planes or robots that they would notice the difference between the F-15 and F-18 TSFs before the actual planes.

F-16 and F-14 would only stick out because of the single stabilizer and the swing wings respectively.

>>13546486
I thought ammunition was in the shoulders
Also Raptor my waifu

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>>13546553
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51KBkOF_aWg
>Empty spaces in a TSF or external carried stores, used to house either spare ammunition, combat daggers or other items. Such components can be found on the F-15 Eagle, F-18 Hornet, and F-22A Raptor in the form of empty cavities in their knee block armor, while the Type-94 Shiranui uses its hip block armor to store extra ammunition.

>>13546582
Then the next natural question would be why tsf have the enormous shoulder blocks. If not ammunition, did they store "arms" of short? I don't really remember.

>>13546623
Something about how they help with their center of gravity and they also need to be large for equipping the missile launchers.

>>13546623
Because otherwise they'd be bottom heavy as fuck both visually and technically. Normally the latter would be fine for a real robot as far as keeping the fucker standing up but they're supposed to be highly mobile flying things.

The later generation ones have thrusters anyways.

>>13546623
Their mass helps to tip them over in a perversion of relaxed stability

Past that they defend the shoulder assembly, while possessing the actuators needed to move the shoulder armor around to not get in the way of the shoulder proper. Mostly however, they became balancer weights hence their prominent size relative to everything else about their proportions.

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>>13546639
>>13546653
Feels like another aspect of their plane roots. Modern planes are unstable by design and require computers to adjust for that.

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>>13546660
That's the excuse but it's really just to be Obari as fuck.

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>>13546674

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>>13543418
>>13543438
>>13543440
>>13543463

Always thought front mission had some of the best mech designs, especially since they're grittier than most others coming out of Japan.

It's a shame the series didn't catch on in the U.S.

American mechs are great, just go watch Robot Jox you pleb

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hi

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Japanese mechs lol

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>>13547006
Here's looking at you, kid.

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>>13547019

>>13547006
>>13547019
>>13547065
What has to happen in a person's life that would make them think these bulky, cluttered turds are good designs?

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>>13542253
I need sauce for this please.

Also: FUCK YEAH! BATTLETECH!

>>13547378

It's the Sweded trailer, just "pacific rim sweded" on jewtube

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>>13542694
Im not even a fan of the Atlas, but can respect it as a terror weapon that actually works.

>>13542905
Damn straight.

>>13542922
>Genetically engineered warrior-autist
and
>A trained soldier with more at stake than systematic, artificial honor system.

Suck my natural born dick, test-tube faggot.

>>13543408
>>13543452
Zeon had the best grunt mechs.

>>13543442
>modified/removed armour, captured shield and re-purposed weapon to counter the RX-79[G] with its 180mm cannon, to make themselves more effective in an attrition war.
>Stupid

You really have no taste and should have been swallowed by your whore of a mother.

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>>13541690

Weebs must be butthurt as fuck that piloted giant robots appeared in an American novel 74 years before appearing in anything Japanese.

>>13547428
You can't shoot a Magella cannon with one hand. Period.

You will never, ever have seen a Feddy 180mm cannon paired with the tower shield and not the dinky ground type one.

>>13547434
>in an American novel
You mother fucker, I bet you did this on purpose to make autists like me sperg.

>>13547445

I don't know what you're talking about.

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>>13547441
Its not shooting the gun though, only carrying it. It obviously would either brace the shield and use two hands.

>You will never, ever have seen a Feddy 180mm cannon paired with the tower shield and not the dinky ground type one.

Because they lack superior Zeon intelligence!

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>His nation's national pass time doesn't get broadcast with a robot mascot every week.

>>13547447
H.G. Wells was a limey. Instead of considering you're just an idiot, I'm going to assume >>13547445 this autistic fellow is right about you doing this as bait, though.

>>13546404
someone post the other 5 billion variances of this so i can get a laugh.

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>>13547461

Alright, alright. Americans really did do Power Armor first, though. Lensman started in 1948 and Starship Troopers was 1959.

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superior western mecha

>>13547492
Okay that one is accurate.

>>13547495
Bastardized from Japanese designs and dictated by Japanese showrunners.

>>13546078
Definitely the former. Just look at all the iconic mechanical designers. Even Katoki and Meade aren't real engineers. In a visual medium, message -aesthetic or functional- has to be communicated visually. Whether you find a design unpleasant to look at or if you are confused by how it's supposed to work, the design fails either way.

The big problem about a mech not being practical at all, be it western or japanese, is that it is usually depected as way too big.

A mech that's no more than 8 meters in heigh can be useful to sneak into facilities with only armed human personel. No risk of being insta killed by missiles or rocket launchers. Any bigger than that gets destroyed by AT guns or missiles.

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>>13541690
>Why are American mecha so hideous?

But they don't.

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>>13547925
Literally a Scopedog ripoff.

>>13547492
>>13547461
Well if we include nonpiloted like Tetsujin, wouldn't Talos be the first or something?

>>13542247
that thing looks like shit f22 has the round edge's for stealth. this thing looks like some 12 year old doddle

>>13542692
...are you high???

if we meet on the field of battle im in shit covered overalls, and your in the finest tux. we fight i kill the shit out of you and my overall buds kill the fuck out of all your tux buds, and ask if any one cared if they were in tuxs not a dame one would (uww the riche boys look good they rock hurp derp )...... nigga you....go back to school

>>13548072
>go back to school
Someone who types like you do doesn't get to tell anyone to go back to school.

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>>13548072
They wouldn't be in dress uniform on the battlefield, old chap. Also, there is a distinct sense of irony in telling people to go back to school with those qualifications, but... generally speaking, I do approve of the message.

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>>13547925
Actually that one is Canadian. Dream Pod 9 is in Quebec.

Guess I'll have to bring these into play.

>>13547925
>>13547979
Scopedog and Jegan. There is nothing original about that thing.

>>13541690
The most baffling thing is that mechs like this are still incredibly unrealistic anyway.
Just because it's gray, blocky and faceless doesn't make it any less impractical than a Gundam.

>>13550293
It's not about being actually better.
It's about looking the part to the average fella and being smug about it.

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>>13550293
I don't know about anything else is, but to say that Battletech is "realistic" is a massive misnomer.

I mean, it is certainly detailed. And the game follows its own internal logic and physics pretty religiously.

But actual realism? Fuck no. The game's about giant robots and the rules will change in any way they can to make them better than infantry or tanks or aircraft.

>>13550356
Honestly, I'd rather a series about super-advanced combined arms warfare than LOL ROBUTZ. More realistic, better variety in equipment and doctrines (i.e., plot threads), etc. Command and Conquer comes to mind for some reason. Anything /m/-like that fits?

>>13550601
It's not like battletech doesn't have combined arms. It's just that the game makes the robutts the focus to the expense of others. The Mechwarrior games make it seem like a single light-class mech can take out a company of armor by itself, but in the board game a tank can fuck a mech up good. It just won't be having having a good day when the return fire hits.

>>13550601
Heavy Gear the Votom like game.
The Gears are no match for a big tank in the game, or many aircraft. The gears like the Votoms aren't much more than a large armored infantry man.

The game Heavy Gear is more about combined arms.
Battletech gives the mechs every advantage it can to make the useful. But where it fails is if you can mount it on a mech you should be able to mount it on a tank.
Yet we get mechs with fusion engines and a sealed cockpit and tanks have to use internal combustion engines and no sealed cabs. This makes no sense.

>>13543636
Wait, does that thing have TWO cockpits, with one in it's right shoulder/torso?

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>>13551317
Nah, that's a paint job.
>>13551307
>and tanks have to use internal combustion engines and no sealed cabs.
What.
Combat vees don't have to pay tonnage for sealing, and they can definitely fuckin' mount fusion engines if they want to.

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What about Western Mechas designed to look like Eastern Mecha?

>>13551615
Post some.

>>13551623

I just did.

>>13551615
>stumpy-ass arms

kek. These look gawky as shit. The models look better though.

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>>13551615
Does this count?
Ronin best girl ;_;

>>13551615
>>13551650
Still obviously western in origin.

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>>13551615

>>13551615


Not enough land skates but then again its asking for a easy missile magnet.

I once asked why hasnt steiner adopted a DOM type mech and the answer is simpel: Missile Magnet.

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>>13551788
>I once asked why hasnt steiner adopted a DOM type mech and the answer is simpel: Missile Magnet.
More like the Dom doesn't have a gauss rifle.

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>>13551813
What's a gauss rifle?

>>13552229

What do you think is another possible development of what the Japanese in MLA have been trying to perfect, without much success?

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>>13552229
15 tons.
15 damage.
15 hex medium range.

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>>13551393
>>Combat vees don't have to pay tonnage for sealing, and they can definitely fuckin' mount fusion engines if they want to.

Do you know of any combat vees in the game that have a sealed cab and a fusion engine? Put some of the CASE in there as well to protect from ammo explosions.

The game's rules didn't have any vehicles with a sealed cab like a mech claiming vehicles are pretty much an open vehicle and inferno missiles kill the crew. Maybe it's time we take the vees given us and scrap them in favor of a better design. We can do that with the mechs as well, none of this mechs with a mix of weapons. Specialize them, you want a long range sniper mech equip it as such. Just make sure you have a close range mech to protect it from a close range attack.

I had a helio loaded with the longest range weapon in the game, and it was fast making it harder to hit. I kept it at extreme range and it made the perfect harassment weapon. So what if it was so fragile it was taken down by a LRM/20 salvo, point cost wise it was effective, and made the other have to divide their fire.

And here is another not likely American, but it is a western designed mech.

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Speaking of GW and mecha, I've always had a soft spot for the Killa Kan.

>>13547646
Looks like a retarded version of the Ishtar mk2 from Gasaraki with some Shirow thrown in.

>>13552229
>>13552252
What makes it significant i nthis context is that house Steiner is in love with gauss rifles.

In-game, while hideously powerful, the weapon is also expensive and discharges explosively upon itself if breached.

>>13552229
Others have explained the game mechanics but a Gauss rifle uses magnets to accelerate a solid slug. Like a type of railgun. In battletech that translates to a massive cannon that can take the cockpit of a mech out in one hit

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>>13542230
Why not both?

>>13547019
>>13547006
>>13547065
>i-i-f we rip off japanese mechs we'll be cool!

>>13541844
But it has no treads.

In fact, most of BT has the problem that a similarly weighted tank should be more effective than a battle mech.

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>>13541690
What, no love for heavy gear?

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>>13552678
GW stuff is pretty much entirely British, a part of the reason for why its designs are usually tolerable as compared to American ones.

Somehting like a Mars Pattern Dreadnought is tolerable as compared to a clusterfuck. If you stripped away all of the iconography and the like it makes a simple, workable machine.

I love Ork machines, Imperial machines, Eldar machines, Chaos ones are okay, but at this point the only ones I don't like are the Tau.

>>13552996
We do.
We have HG assult thread once awhile.
Afterall /m/ is also home of Votoms fans.
Infact someone here succeeded to run the 1st game, although in win98 running in virtualbox

>>13547979
True, but they did manage to improve it.

I mean, how often did scopedogs have hand grenades and guided mortars?

>>13551615
I used to think Tau are race of sentinent AI with mecha plamo asthetics while playing Dark Crudsade, until I searched it on Internet.

Playing as Tau in Dark Crusade was fun though, specially that final tech -gunship with biggest gun which also served transport .

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>>13552492
How about the Gurty?
>XL engine
>CASE
>Sealed cab because, again, combat vees get it for free
>Big fuckoff gauss rifle to properly execute the will of the Archon.
The real objection you should be having (or at least one of them) is that vees roll motive crits waaay too often. It's fine for things like the Gurty that already park themselves, and lightly-armored hovercraft that are going to die before they ever slow down too much, but it makes 5/8 line tanks that rely on both speed and armor into 2/3 sitting ducks way too quickly.

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>>13552998

>Ork Gargants

I loves 'em. They're basically what would happen if you dismantled a slum, rebuilt it vertically, and gave it weapons and a drive system.

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>>13546404
is this some kind of subtle joke? I mean, not only is Japan the progenetor of the hilariously outlandish "super robot" design style, but both those designs are actually japanese. the pink one is probably a Korean diriviative, the other is from Macross

>>13553008
Oh good. I keep trying to set up games but everyone just wants BT or WH40k.

I mean, war hammer doesn't even try to negate first turn advantage.

>>13542554
there he is. its the a-10 fag

>>13552903
This one >>13547065 is a japanese design. http://muvluv.wikia.com/wiki/Land_Vehicles/Bipedal_Units

>>13553624
It's a very unsubtle stab at the thought that all eastern robutts look like the Gundam and all western robutts look like walking tanks. Come on it's really simple

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>>13547006
>>13547019
Am I the only one who thinks these things are great? the purpose of combat is to kill the enemy, right? so you need effective weapons, as well as enough armor to keep the soldier alive for a certain amount of time. preferably until the end of the mission, but whatever. Also, because stuff costs money, it has to be cheap enough to allow a state, government, or company to buy and supply them without going broke.

something like the smaller two embodies this set of objectives perfectly. enough guns to take down humans and small armored vehicles, enough armor to protect the pilot, and cheap and easy to replace/repair.

the problem with building-sized robots is that them shits is expensive to build, and can only be repaired in specialized facilities. a $50 bullet can knock the engine off a $1bn Muv-Luv Prettybot, and the pilot has to leave that thing on the battlefield, because he can't repair it.

Pic related can be repaired with tools bought at Sears, and the parts probably only weigh a few dozen pounds, meaning repair techs can lug them into the field.

Japanese Mecha are based on Japanese mythology and Japanese armours. Notice how alot of mecha robots have armor akin to what the old warriors and shoguns wore?

Since America has no history or culture, all of America's mecha designs are:
TANK BUT LEGS

Since modern warfare is the only culture they have.

>>13553687
I get that. I don't get why the pink one is labeled "western". is it sarcastic, or stupid?

>>13553735
AirMech is an American game made by American developers.

>>13553735
It used to be the other way around, I have no idea why someone posted a fixed one.

When they were incorrectly labeled, it was at least somewhat cute.

>>13545215
>This ritual is boring
>my cockpit hurts
>i've been 3000 years and they still havent gotten to the orgy
>tfw no qt trap inside of me
>gross i hate leeches

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>>13553692
Good thing all mecha is fiction so your post means nothing huh. Just enjoy what you like and stop trying to justify your tastes with muh realism.

>>13553692
anyone got those photobashed pics where some guys given photographs of soldiers lawnmower engines and electric razors for heads and stuck blue filters and lensflare over the top?

>>13547495
From where the fuck is this from?

>>13542572
GET OUT OF HERE STALKER

>>13554264
>Not knowing based Turn A
filthy Lunarian scum

>>13554264
You're new here aren't you?

>>13554278
I was just being a dumb shit,not realising this was a concept piece for the Turn A.I thought this was some guy somehow featuring a Turn A-esque design in some americunt "mecha" garbage game/movie.
>tfw when Turn A was your first Gundam
>tfw when your honor is at stake
>tfw when you get called a mecha newfag

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>>13553896
>A-10 mecha

>>13547019
>>13547006
these will forever be the grossest looking robits i've ever seen, along with the new ed-209 and moose from chappie.

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I honestly think these are some of the best mecha designs America has ever produced.

>>13547492
Yes but Starship Troopers made GOOD power armor.

>>13555098
What's the point of Tactical Assault with Ground Assault?

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>>13554865
Sick. What's that from?

>>13555296
They look like they're each meant for a branch of the US military.

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>>13555301
It's one of the feature designs in the Mecha Zone 2 artbook by David White, who formerly went by mecha-master and now mecha-zone on his DA page. He did some of the designs in some of the more recent BattleTech technical readouts as well as concept art for some of the MechWarrior 4 titles.

Some of his work is already posted in this thread:
>>13546224
>>13546078

English can eat shit

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>>13555411
You may be mixing them up with Germans, Nippon-kun.

>>13553254
When was the Gurty introduced?
It wasn't around when the Clans arrived.

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>>13555411

Are there any European-designed mecha?

>>13555473
3080s sometime.

>>13553624
fuck that's cool

what is that from?

>>13541690
i unironically like bayformers designs

ROTF era is probably the best

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>>13556072
I almost want to go full autismode again like I did a few threads ago. Must resist the urge...

>>13556064
Made up robot designed to look like the outline of Hokkaido.

There's a couple different pictures of it floating around

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>>13553735

Not sure who drew that image but the pink one checks out roughly as the M-38 Angel "Sakura" from AirMech as >>13553771 noted. So technically it is a "west-designed" mecha... just that it so happened that the image used was cherry-picked from the most garish example of the lot.

Although, the way I see it, mecha's "true western aesthetic" lies with those drawings of future vehicles and whatnot during the WWI/WWII era. A lot of the current design "styles", especially the chicken walkers that are everywhere, have a basic similarity to the glut of borrowed designs from various franchises, BattleTech included, from the original Macross in the 1980s that made it into the US. On the other hand, for the humanoid design, you have Voltron and Transformers, again, Japan-originated designs. Naturally what we sweepingly call "super robots" don't exist as they are in Western mecha series but you see a similar character interaction philosophy reflected in some shows with robots that aren't built by humans. Iron Giant, Sym-Bionic Titan, the ongoing Transformers, in that they drop the militaristic tones of their -Tech counterparts and present the robots in a way comparable to cape heroes - parallel to where "super robots" are regarded as an extension of the "pilot's will".

That is, of course, just what I think of it when friends talk to me about "western" or "eastern" trends. I'm pretty sure I'm missing a lot of detail as well since other nations in the EU zone have other series on air during that time, but perhaps that they aired mostly, dare I say it, "unMacek'd" meant that the current generation of media workers in those countries did not grow up with a "this was made in MY country" mentality that ended up giving the current casual audience the "western/eastern" divide in mecha.

As it stands, because of the proliferation of Japanese series into Western media during that early time period, we may never know what the "true western aesthetic" would have been like.

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>>13556090
i chose bayformers than any battleshit shits any time thank you

>>13553838
oh, sorry. I forgot that "thinking" is hard work and nobody is supposed to enjoy doing it.

>>13556270
It's just your entire post is ignorant since you're criticizing Muv-Luv's mecha without even knowing why they're designed that way.

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>>13556231
>mecha's "true western aesthetic" lies with those drawings of future vehicles and whatnot during the WWI/WWII era.
All those retro robots are so much cooler than all that greebled walking tank crap. What happened?

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Western design aesthetic reporting for duty.

They even qualify as "Super Robots"!

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>>13556369

We can only guess. Sci-fi cover art on novels are what I feel best carry on that old-style aesthetic but these are few and far between, and almost never about robots nowadays. I think Star Wars, despite the Japanese influence for some of its iconic characters and artifacts, is the only major medium where the "western mecha aesthetic" has flourished wildly in the myriad form of its droid designs.

>>13552998

I will never understand the hate for Tau. literally the best looking thing GW has come out with.
apart from the ork shit. Orks are Ballin'

>>13556234

at least the bayformers had great designs

>>13556615

>Ball Ver.1920s