why do you guys like leos so much

Same reason we like the Zaku II, I'd imagine. It's a grunt that tries its best in a world of super prototypes and plot armor.

cock thruster

>>13453712
never noticed that before
i guess i "get it" now!

>>13453700
Easily summarized in two words:

Cartoon Network

Back in the day, we didn't have no fancy torrents, streaming video or any of the other fancy pants methods you damn young'uns have of watched your Japanese cartoons

We watched Wing and thought it was awesome, because we had nothing else and didn't know no better.

This is why we of the old guard love Leos and Tallgeese so much. We come from a time when unless you got bootleg VHS from a friend who's dad was stationed in Asia, you didn't know a Zaku from Adam.

How far we have come.

>>13453700
It's the tv head that does it for me

>>13453712
>Cock thruster

It's the cooter booster. Leo is a lady.

>>13453780
>This is why we of the old guard
>Wing
>Toonami
>"The old guard"

>>13453700
It's like a Zaku but with all the superfluous bits stripped off. The thing has less armor and is less bulky than the zaku, shoulders are only partially covered, and the standard Leo lacks a backpack.

>>13453837

Is Leo-chan an ecchi girl?

> I hope Gundam-san notices me
> Kyaa, it's Gundam-san
> He's looking right at me
> Pierce me with your long throbbing beam Gundam-san
> explodes with pleasure

>>13453844
Gundam Wing aired on Toonami in 2000, I believe. 15 years is a long time, anon. Someone who was 12 years old when Wing aired would be 27 now.

>>13453844
this

>>13453865

"Unless you got fansubbed VHS copies of MSG that called Zion Jion at a con in the 1980s you're not a real Gundam fan."

TV Head > Monoeye

>>13453700
I personally loved it when Heero in the Space-type Leo held his own against Wifei and his Gundam. Shows even though inferior in tech, a skilled pilot makes the world of a difference.

>>13453865
The old guard usually refers to people in the 80s who didn't have the luxury of a major network airing it on the afternoons.

>>13453902
So, people in their 40s and 50s? How many of those do you think are on /m/?

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>>13453902
>The old guard usually refers to people in the 80s
No it doesn't. The term specifically denotes a group or group of individuals who tend to favor things past.

>the original or long-standing members of a group or party, especially ones who are unwilling to accept change or new ideas.

>>13453891
This scene? Me too.

>>13453933
Yes. That scene was awesome. SOmething about the quality and lighting when they were dueling, looked great to me.

>>13453933
In terms of western gundam fans, it refers to people back in the 80s. They are the oldest and longest-standing of the western fans.

>>13453700

Nostalgia. Leos blew up a dozen at a time and never seemed anything but useless fodder for Gundams to increase their kill counts. But its from the first Gundam series I watched as a kid and its cool as fucking hell, now kill me some goddamn Leo HGs or MGs already.

I wouldn't consider people who came into a franchise two decades and halfway through its existance the "old guard".

>>13453912
Younger Oldbeard (40) reporting in. VHS copying circles were a big thing in old days. That was how I got a lot of my old anime. Good old Bobby Beaver's fansubs of Maison Ikkoku were huge back in the early 90s. I can't remember who did my CCA but it was a big coup to get.

>>13453844
the folks who existed before good fansub groups and wide torrent availability are the ultimate oldfags. So what if they couldn't watch obscure-ass shit from the 70s; they did what they could. Is that not /m/ as shit.

>>13453967
>>13453844
It refers to the old-guard in the west, or the USA specifically. I'm 30 here and watched the original airing of both Wing and G Gundam on CN. I was probably in middle school at the time. Now I'm an old fuck, so yea, I think that qualifies.

Before Wing and G, NO ONE here had ever even heard of Gundam. And at the time, they WERE gundam. Ask any fan at the time who Char Aznable was and they would have given you a blank stare. Show them his picture and you'd get a "He looks like a clone of Zechs". Yeah.

If anyone on this board does happen to be one of those rare breed of 40+ fans who through some magic knew of gundam in the states before CN, you are the exception, not the rule. But I salute you nonetheless

>toonami shitheads believing they're super-special and amazing once again
come on guys, you have to realize it's a problem when even people younger than you have realized what a problem it is.
>20 reporting

>>13454160
coughitalycough

>>13454220
Shouldn't you be on reddit instead?

/m/ wouldn't exist as a board if not for we Toonami shitheads. Show some respect you little whipper-snapper

>>13454160

in like '99 or some time around there my mom got me a dubbed copy of the first gundam (0079) abridged movie on VHS.

I remember my first /m/ title to see was Robotech (idgaf what you think of it) of course Wing came after.

Damn I remember having the "Official Gundam Guide" or as I called it the Gundam book. Taught me to look for all the other shows which is how I found out 08th MS came to the US on dvd. The thing I wanted to see most was X. Didn't get to until college

>>13454230
I was not aware Italy was part of the United States.

>>13454230
Pretty sure Italy was exposed to Wing first as well. Around the same time. Hence Fellini's obsession with the Wing Gundam.

Plus the Italian OP for Wing is godly. Seriously. Props to you guys.

But as I said before, I was speaking primarily for those of us oldfags in the US, not West-Arabia

>>13454220
>20
>complaining about toonami kids

ha zoids was probably what got you started

>>13454236
ebin :^)

>>13454267
lol no one watched zoids.

>>13453700
Leos are weird.

Complete jobbers most of the time, but the moment a protagonist (or Treize) step in them they become Super Leos.

>>13453700
I'm 23 and yeah wing was my first gundam on toonami, lets get that out of the way. Now then I actually didn't like it as a kid, and thought they were worthless. When I watched wing again as an adult, I feel in love with the suit. The modular design with multiple packs and configurations for different situations is a real turn on. Plus actually a pretty attractive design overall.

Taurus was cooler

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>>13453700
Because they are people too.

>>13453780
>Back in the day, we didn't have no fancy torrents, streaming video or any of the other fancy pants methods you damn young'uns have of watched your Japanese cartoons
WE ADULTS had equivalents. Fuck, in 2000 I was downloading anime off some shitty streaming client. Face it, you're just an underaged millenial who's first super robot anime was Wing, and are projecting that onto everyone else.

>>13454160
>It refers to the old-guard in the west, or the USA specifically. I'm 30 here and watched the original airing of both Wing and G Gundam on CN. I was probably in middle school at the time. Now I'm an old fuck, so yea, I think that qualifies.
Uh, no. Holy shit, this is some next-level newfaggotry. I felt like I was reading a MAL post or something, Jesus. I mean Jesus fucking Christ, do you know what you sound like? You sound like if, in ten years, I were to talk about how TTGL was my first anime and that were to somehow make me a hardcore anime fan.

Serpent > Leo

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>>13453700
It's the perfect grunt design.

I actually dont like the Leo's design at all and i hate the nostalgiafags that do

>>13454594

what are you older than him?

were you acquainted with gundam before he was?

if not, then you should shut up

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>>13454956
>watching wing as a kid
>acquainted with gundam

>>13454963

I don't think you know what acquainted means

>>13453700
We don't, really. We just like making fun of how easily they explode.
Tallgeese is the one we like.

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>>13453700
Leo-chan is CUTE.

>tfw they dubbed and aired Mobile Suit Gundam in 1980 in your country
the opening was even better than the original
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yF7XH54QzI

>>13454257
>Plus the Italian OP for Wing is godly.
What?
I'm Italian and we all think it's a goddamn abomination.

>>13454257
>Pretty sure Italy was exposed to Wing first as well
the original MSG was aired in 1980

>>13454956
>what are you older than him?
No
>were you acquainted with gundam before he was?
Fucking apparently.
>not watching shitty VHS fansubs
>if not, then you should shut up
Sorry you were just as much a newfag in 2000 as you are in 2015.

>>13453891

I loved how it made Wu Fei look like a scrub faggot. Worst pilot on the team in personality and skill.

>>13455188

not really, I was drawing robots in 1st grade

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>>13455221
Is that when Gundam Wing was airing?

>>13455235

1994, so just before. my only knowledge of gundam was a couple years later through mahq

>>13454594
>next-level newfaggotry

Try again scrub, I've been coming to 4chan since my first year of college. You know, that year the fucking site went live?

And I never made any claim that Wing was anything more than a shit show. All I said was that it went a long way in moulding the mecha fanbase in the west and by the transitive property, this board.

The same way no one who's serious on /a/ would tell you that DBZ or Sailor Moon were ever the best anime made. But they might argue that without those shows airing on network television in the US in the late 90s, /a/ might be a very different place

Robotech's airing on Toonami left me with a love for grunt suits with camera faces. The Leo was perfect when I watched Wing.

>>13453700

Has a simple and pleasing aesthetic. Doesn't appear to be too over designed.

It's also neat how the Virgo series & Serpent MS have a very recognizable resemblance to the original Leo.

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>>13455587
>Try again scrub, I've been coming to 4chan since my first year of college.
No, you weren't.
>I was probably in middle school at the time.
Nice try, but if you were in middle school in 2001, then you weren't in college in 2004; and I certainly don't believe you're 30.

>>13455679
Where the hell did he mention middle school?

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>>13455693
See >>13454160

>>13455693
Fuckin' hell, I'm tired. Didn't notice before.

>>13455679
1. Yes I was
2. You got me there. I fucked up. Graduated in '03 so yeah, wasn't middle when I watched Wing
3. Yes I am.

Also your whole post is a perfect example of a strawman argument. You find one mistake and take it to assume the whole thing was a lie. Then you attack the 'lie' and manage to avoid defending the actual point being made instead of refuting it.

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>>13455735
Obviously you can explain your lies when they've been pointed out, but what's important is that you were caught lying. No, you weren't here in 2004, because everybody claims they were when they weren't. Yes, you watched Wing in middle school, because it was your first anime. No, watching Wing in middle school doesn't give you anime cred and no, it does not make you part of the "old guard" you giant faggot.

I assume half of people like the Leo because it looks cute in an ugly way, and is extremely simplified. Everything about it is as blocky and shitty and grunt-like as possible. It's also highly, easily moddable in-universe and genuinely feels like some mass-produced all-rounder suit.

The other half is probably memes.

>>13455785
Obviously explaining the straw-man fallacy was a waste of my time, because you learned nothing and went on to do it again minutes later.

I am 30, I graduated in '03, watched Wing in HIGH school, and have been coming to 4chan since 2004

If you don't believe me, it's your problem. Want proof? Go fuck yourself, proof doesn't exist here. Tired of wasting time arguing with someone I've never met about who liked giant robot anime first.

youre all eternal newfags because youre arguing age on an anonymous imageboard. stop trying to prove your credentials you plebbit shits. youre a gundam fan if you like it all. someone from the 80s can be a complete fag like itt. you dont have to be young to be a retard. theres no denying that a lot of people who dont really like gundam saw song on toonami, thus making it more prolific in english communities

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>>13455961
>Obviously explaining the straw-man fallacy was a waste of my time, because you learned nothing and went on to do it again minutes later.
Also because you completely fucked up what a strawman is you fucking idiot. Pointing out flaws in an argument isn't a strawman. Keep that shit on reddit.
>I am 30, I graduated in '03, watched Wing in HIGH school, and have been coming to 4chan since 2004
You're a liar and a massive faggot. You're literally no different than the people who think watching Robotech makes them anime fans. Actually, that's not true; at least Robotech came out in the 80s. Fuck off you eternal newfag.

>>13456599
If the only anime fans are those who watched anime in the 80s, what happens when they start dying?

>>13456611
Wizards are immortal.

>>13456599
>The so-called typical "attacking a straw man" argument creates the illusion of having completely refuted or defeated an opponent's proposition by covertly replacing it with a different proposition (i.e., "stand up a straw man") and then to refute or defeat that false argument ("knock down a straw man") instead of the original proposition.

You pointed out a flaw in my previous statement, called that flaw a lie and proceeded to shift the argument to me being a liar instead of trying out logically refute any point made that didn't involve my fucking age or date of graduation.

Strawman. Go back to PHIL101.

>>13456672
>The so-called typical "attacking a straw man" argument creates the illusion of having completely refuted or defeated an opponent's proposition by covertly replacing it with a different proposition (i.e., "stand up a straw man") and then to refute or defeat that false argument ("knock down a straw man") instead of the original proposition.
>You pointed out a flaw in my previous statement,
>The so-called typical "attacking a straw man" argument creates the illusion of having completely refuted or defeated an opponent's proposition by covertly replacing it with a different proposition
Nigga, it's right in fucking front of you.

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>>13454722
>perfect grunt design.

>Implying Scopedog, Grimoire, and Graze don't do it better.

>>13457772
>Graze

Get this shit out of here.

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>>13457788 (Cross-thread)
The Graze is actually a pretty nice design. I don't think I'd say perfect though, that's the Flag

You have 10 seconds to name someone that piloted a Leo and isn't a fag.

>>13461385
Zechs and Treize both spend time in a Leo.

>>13461492
They are both fags though, fags for each other. Even had a lover's quarrel

>>13457788
>It's new so it's shit!

>>13456599
>I'm a better person than everyone here because I watched a chinese toy cartoon on a VHS in 1989 once!

>>13461502
If they're fags then I don't want to be straight.

>Leo's actual tech specs are better than a lot of Universal Century technology

>>13453700
Because there's no hg

>>13461660
What specs? All that there is for Wing MS are height, and impossibly low weight. There's nothing about their performance that can be compared to UC units because it simply doesn't exist.

>>13454282

I-I watched Zoids....

>>13461670

Max acceleration.

The Leo's weapons are dog shit outside the Dober Gun and its armor is made out of tissue.

>>13461695

It can use beam weapons and has a flight system, it's more that OZ, etc, we're being cheap asses with the mobile suit equivalent of the ak47

>>13461646
>I'm better than everyone because I watched Wing on Cartoon Network when I was 14, just like everyone else!

>>13461695
It has beam rifles and cannons.

>>13453700
somebody should do Leos and Zakus and stuff done up as some of the great jobbers, like Brooklyn Brawler or Disco Inferno.

>>13461513
It hasn't done anything yet. It looks decent but it has literally done nothing but lose.

>>13461966
The last WCW holdout Disco Inferno?

>>13456611

You're seeing it right now

Anime dies with it

>>13462017
yeah

>>13462096
A montage of exploding Leos as https://youtu.be/Ux1BsjyqwV0
plays in the background

>>13461973
because the Leo did something better? sigh...

>>13462506
Leo defeated a Gundam episode 1. Leo tackled a Gundam episode 7. Leos pinned down Gundams in the midteens forcing one of them to self destruct. Leo matched a Gundam in Endless Waltz.
Leo>>>>all

>>13462540
>Leo defeated a Gundam episode 1
People still reaching with that one? Losing a Leo to make Wing Gundam go for a swim isn't a win

>>13453844
My mom bought me a GP01FB hug kit when I was a kid and I thought it was a proto-wing gundam. I also got a double zeta action figure and I thought it had something to do with a kind prequel. Oh the days before Internet.

I always liked the Aries just as much, except for the stupid helmet it had. The Leo was pretty much a perfect grunt suit in terms of design though. I very much prefer simple, utilitarian designs, they're more military-like. And the Tallgeese, which is basically a fancy Leo on design terms, is one of my favorite MS in terms of looks.

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>>13453780
>We come from a time when unless you got bootleg VHS from a friend who's dad was stationed in Asia, you didn't know a Zaku from Adam.

Nigga Gundam had official releases in the US before Wing aired on Toonami.

>>13463304
>$5 extra for subs
>$5 extra not to support a dub that was an expense in itself
Why was this aloud?

>>13463310
There are more people who watch dubbed than subbed so they probably figured they'd make a wider profit margin if they kept the dubbed version cheaper while gauging the smaller portion who liked subbed.

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>>13453902
>Peeps in the 80s
>Watching Wing

>>13455195
But Wufei has the second-best waifu after Quatre and Noien.

>>13463421
Hence:
>Wing
>"The old guard"

>>13463304
Should I watch Escaflowne? Or is the fujo too strong.

>>13463742
Maybe you should watch the 4kids version since it reduces the fujo bits.

>>13463310
A lot of times back then the subs, were just dubtitles slapped on to the Japanese audio track. You weren't often getting real subs.