Infinite Shit

Infinitely.

Production order

Step 1: become a BattleTech fan.
Step 2: recognize.
Step 3: get high, watch inner sphere harem up.

>>13443805
I shoulda said any release better than others?

>>13443797
Don't

>>13443827
They are all crunchy rips. They are all literally the same.

high

>>13443797
While standing on your head and whistling the theme to Full House.

>>13443838
AZ and VVV may be bad but IS is by far worse in every aspect including action (which both other shows at least had)

>>13443854
But muh Orange.

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>>13443797
I actually like Mecha Musume shit /m/ poops on.
Boatsluts and what not, but IS is truly harem trash.

Its not worth it OP. Its the epitome of bad haremshit with an MC denser than a neutron star. not to mention the action sucks

Is facebook invading or something? What the fuck is going on today? Valvrager on highalert,a tripfag circlejerk, and now Infinite Stratos? Holy fuck.

>>13443874
>better more likable characters

i hope you are joking anon

Yet another mediocre, forgettable anime people insist is the worst ever purely for meme purposes.

>>13443797
Drunk or not at all.

>>13443874
I thought A.Z was shit, but I liked a few of the fights. The one versus octobitch and the first or second space battle were at least cool, if not stupid.

>>13443883
You don't like sluts?

Tabs is the only reason to watch the show.

And even then between a choice of this or Valvrave I'd infinitely prefer the adventures of the ambiguously gay duo over bitches and whores - the animation

>>13443889
not when they are the same characters copy pasted from literally every other haremshit in existance

>>13443923
Wow you're retarded

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>>13443797
Wait for the better version airing next season.
Proper trailer when?

>>13443951
Manga doesn't seem promising

Has there been a well done mecha-musume series?

>>13443959
Like I said, you're retarded.

>>13443971
Mai Hime?
Bushou Shinki was weird but fun I guess

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>>13443951
When is Hundred coming out? I know that had an anime announced too.

>>13443971
Strike Witches.
Don't try and start shit with me about not watching no SW you double nigger, you're watching the Gospel of Miyafujesus and you're going to learn true MAMORU

>>13443971
Twin Tails. Symphpgear.

>>13443985
Not like the medical attention your mom will need when she's through cleaning up after your shit.

>>13443988
Magical girl, not mecha musume.

>>13443975
Hime is magical girl.
Shinki is applicable though.

>>13443988
Isn't Twin Tails a harem?

>>13443977
No airing date announcement yet it seems.

>>13443995
those robot animal stands though

>>13443994
>You keep saying that about yourself. I think you need medical attention.

>>13443971
>well done mecha-musume series
Bushou Shinki - Angelic Layer, w/o any story action or point
Sky Girls - Silly SOL concept in a serious war story, garbage
Strike Witches - Silly SOL concept in a semi-serious was story, not bad.
BoatSluts - literally one VA doing half the cast, fun but forgettable.
tasukete mave chan - garbage OVA

>>13444017
>Boat sluts
>Well done.
I want Kancolle fags to leave.
The others I will give you.

>>13443995
Both of those shows the powers are technological in origin.

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>>13444027
desu

>>13444027
But actual Kancolle fags thought the show was horrible, especially with all the Fubuki dicksucking the anime did.

>>13444031
Mecha musume isn't merely tech powered girl stuff, dumbass. That's still the realm of magical girl.

The characters have to represent ot symbilize some sort of person or thing, not merely be enhanced by gear and gizmos.

>>13444035
This is hilarious desu senpai

>>13444037
Secondaries love it, it was made for them.

>>13444048
Given how characters in Symphogear and Twin Tails represent certain mecha I'm standing my statement.

>>13444048
This. For a while we had regular threads about mecha musume where the musumes were actually based on starships and robots. That sorta thing is only natural to allow here, because it's just a different kind of fanart of the mechs that are this board's bread and butter.

But then we get the boatfags wanting to shove in their waifus that are not only not robot-based, they're not even ship-based in anything but name half the time. They're just bitches in naval attire of some sort. But it's okay because "OMG THE FIRST USE OF MECHA MUSUME WAS FOR ONES BASED ON WW2 VEHICLES".

>>13444093
That's fanwank.
Their genre is squarely magical girl.

>>13444096
... need I remind you people were unironically trying to push Precure as mecha material, years before the Kankolle games were even made?

>>13444104
Precure was Toku bait

>>13444104
Jesus fuck that takes me back.

Like waaaaaay back. To tokutrolling years. Dark times.

>>13443797

with your eyes closed

>>13444100
Then by that logic IS isn't mecha musume and is magical girl. It's not a licensed series, and you can argue those claiming that Char based on Alt Eisen, and Cecilia is based on Strike Freedom is fanwank.

You'll just call me a dumbass or being obtuse, but I don't fucking get the logic of claiming that IS is mech Musume, and Twin Tails isn't when both shows use near identical designs. How the fuck is one show with giant mecha pauldron, mecha hands, large weapons dead ringers for mecha weapons, and wings slapped on a girl in a swimsuit count as mecha musume and yet another show with show with giant mecha pauldron, mecha hands, large weapons dead ringers for mecha weapons, and wings slapped on a girl in a swimsuit some how not count as mecha musume? Maybe it's a bit of stretch in Symphogear's case (until X-Drive at least) but Twin Tails could easily be confused for IS, the AST from Date A live, or Vivid Red at first glance.

>>13444137
Yep. Laid the ground for Modaka, and Kill La Kill trolling.

>>13443874
>And IS had a far better and more well written plot than either of them and better more likable characters.
Oh, you're joking.

>>13444161
IS -is- magical girl, actually.

>>13444161
>logic
Anon, read this carefully:
If /m/ likes a show, it's mecha musume.
If /m/ hates a show, it's magical not /m/ garbage.

Sympho/TwinT only exist on /m/ because enough anons were able to persist through the initial wave of "not /m/" shiposters.
That's it.

>>13444189
>>13444194
Okay, these are both perfectly acceptable explanations to me.

>>13444194
Explain Cutie Honey

>>13444194
This applies to everything on /m/ basically.
You can have a fightan game thread on here and people don't mind it
But post a robot show they don't like like REDACTED and people go apeshit

>>13444216
>spoiler
Yeah, but we have threads shitting on _______ all the time.

>>13444213
Honey is an android in a show by Go Nagai. The reasons should be obvious.

is had no action but great girls. came for the robots came again for maya brit tan and china

>>13444213
>Nagai
Filthy newfag

>>13444230
>>13444237
>le Nagai rule

No cancer quite like OG cancer

>>13444216
True. We've had some awesome nostalgia-fueled threads about Sailor Moon, too, for no real other reason than they just happened. The occasional off-topic doesn't hurt much if isn't too obnoxious (or frequent).

But the other thing is, just because there's a show that has robots or robot-esque content, doesn't mean it's good or that people want to talk about it. On any given day we're not likely to have threads about even half the shows in our purview anyway, let alone ones that are chased off the board. It doesn't have to be "not /m/" for people to not want it around here.

>>13444270
Yknow, I have real lax standards for what I'll overlook on /m/.

But nothing peeves me off more than when a poster thinks they're more intelligent than they really are. Really insulting when you see someone try to pull a fast one and they think no one could figure out how full of shit they are.

Now, I'm not directing this at anyone in particular, it's just my gripe. There's arrogsnce, and then there's trying to pass bullshit off in front of everyone with a straight face.

>>13443797

Just read the novels

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>>13444292
>reading harem garbage

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>>13443977
Awww, Yeah.

>>13444292
>read
>Reading
>American website
L'mao

>>13444322
>American website

>>13443797
Watch S1 and that really long first episode of S2 that I'd say is more of an addition to S1 and then drop it to get the best of your time's worth.

>>13443988
>Twintails
Is more of a Sentai parody like Akibaranger but has more LN tropes.

>Symphogear
Shit. It's not popular so people pretend to like it to make it seem like they have good taste in anime.

>>13444766
>It's not popular so people pretend to like it to make it seem like they have good taste in anime.

I wouldn't say liking Symphogear gives you hipster cred.

Hell I'm still puzzled as to how it went on for three seasons. Maybe I'm underestimating Nana Mizuki's pull...

>>13443797
Read the manga.

The LNs had promise at first, but the author started phoning it in after a while

S1 was okay if you're looking for haremshit with robots, S2 was godawful.

Manga Ichika looks like he might not be going full Neutron Star though, so there's still hope of a decent adaption.

>>13445972
Wait a minute, that's the Dassault logo.

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I love the base suits

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>>13446076
Manga Houki is a miracle of the universe.

>>13444766
>Symphogear
>shit

No, that's just GX

>>13443797
FFF and/or Commie

Or Dubbed

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>>13446076
Agreed, though that's the Yuuki Homura reboot manga, by the way, not the first one.

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>>13446124
Makes sense, they used it because her machine is a Rafale

>>13446456
I liked the dub...

>>13444304
It's actually not bad, for two or three books. It's full of gems like Ichika idly wondering how Houki plans to dispose of his remains once she's murdered him and launching into a disturbingly accurate explanation of how to do that.

>>13446738
>>13446192
So far, Yuuki Homura's version doesn't vary much from the original LN except on how the match between Cecilia and Ichika turned out.

The little additions such as Houki and Ichika's shared past, acknowledging Kanzashi's presence early on and seeing the inner thoughts of the girls were nice touches.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1mQmWy2D9c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPqL5LGQsWo

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>>13446738
You got a problem with the first manga? :^)

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>>13448000
>So far, Yuuki Homura's version doesn't vary much from the original LN
Though it has varied from the anime and thus the other manga, most importantly retaining Ichika's intelligence (at least so far).
Thus far that manga is still in the decent portions of the novels, so he hasn't needed to change too much to make it more palatable. One thing I have noticed is that he's cut down on the physical abuse of Ichika, since it was kind of ridiculous originally.

>The little additions such as Houki and Ichika's shared past, acknowledging Kanzashi's presence early on and seeing the inner thoughts of the girls were nice touches
As were the allusions to behind the scenes Tabane stuff, and some internal dialogue by Charlotte that reveals her feelings about her situation a bit more clearly.

>>13448218
It might be that I wasn't paying attention to the show (and that I only watched S1) but I might want to read the manga soon. At least just for more Charlotte.

>>13443977
Let's Take IS let's make Charlotte the main girl & let's make her a princess to boot.
What could go wrong?

>>13448240
>I only watched S1
Good man. Though if you want Charlotte I might actually hesitantly recommend her sole S2 spotlight episode. It's filler, and consists mostly of stupid 'hurrhurr panties' humour, but the five or ten minutes that isn't is some surprisingly decent character stuff for her (and to a lesser extent Ichika).

>but I might want to read the manga soon. At least just for more Charlotte
You picked a good time to jump in. It's just about up to Charlotte explaining herself, and I'm eager to see how YH handles it.

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>>13448259
>Princess
>Not Prince

>>13443951
I'm reading this LN right now. I'm half way through, and I don't know what to make of it. Seems like you could do the whole first novels plot in like 2 episodes. Girls aren't anything special. The one fight scene I've read through so far is pretty good. Really I'm neither impressed nor disappointed with it. It's like hitting par in putt-putt.

>>13448140
>IS Season 2 is so bad it makes season 1 look slightly less worse.

He nails it.

>>13448278
>Seems like you could do the whole first novels plot in like 2 episodes
Funny you should say that, because the part you're up to really did take 2 episodes.

The novels might best be read after the series, since their biggest highlight is Ichika engaging in snarky internal commentary about everyone's behavoir and displaying a surprising degree of intelligence and wisdom for what you previously had taken for a stock harem template.

>>13448297
No idea why they didn't include his monologues in the anime.

>>13448297
Same could be said about a lot of protagonists
Hell Chirico would be really dull if it weren't for his internal monologue

>>13448303
Because monologues just plain don't work well in an animated medium. They contain useful information about characters and setting, but are very static and take too long.

I mean, how long do you think this would take in real time?


>'Ah, how I will be executed. You know, Houki, the problem with murder isn't what's before, but after. The human body is composed of slightly over 50kg of lipids (fat) and proteins. It also includes about more than 10L of blood. After that are the neglected bones in the skeleton. In fact, the discomposure of the upper part of the skeleton is quicker. Isn't it different from what we think? That is why most people are puzzled. For the analysis of the skeleton a considerable amount of experience is needed, and if you do it one by one, a lot of time will be wasted. That's when the freezer comes in to play. The freezer...'

>>13448307
Yeah, but these don't just flesh him out, they paint him in a completely different light.
e.g.
>Never mind, that is nothing. I grew up living with Chifuyu-nee, so I don't have that feeling of 'I'm living with a girl! My heart is beating like crazy! I'm so nervous!'. Besides, I handled many years of Chifuyu-nee's dirty laundry, so I'm not going to panic just because of a piece of girl's underwear.

I loved that line. It completely set him apart from most harem leads because it established him as not being remotely put out by the trappings of femininity. What the hell happened to that, huh Yukimura?

>>13448333
Haruhi was fine, it's called adapting, you literal autist.

>>13448333
Do it really fast like in Tatami Galaxy

>>13448343
Yeah, I guess you're right.
Well, they did remove any other opportunities for depth and reduce him to an exaggerated cardboard cutout, so I suppose they didn't want to take a risk by doing anything remotely unusual with their lead. Same as everything else in the show...

>>13448343
But then, Haruhi was framed such that the entire story revolved around the protagonist's stream of thought.

Actually, now you've got me wondering. Are there any other anime novel adaptations that use a first person point of view like that?

In regards to the LNs, here's something from Volume 8 (yes, that Volume 8, where the World Purge Arc came from):

From the moment everyone gathered in the arena, they were curious of what was inside the container. Now that its contents were finally coming to light, a commotion naturally erupted. After all, grabbing any chance to talk was a distinct trait of all maidens.

"What could be inside?"

"Could it be a new IS model?!"

"Eh——? If it was, then it wouldn't be in a cargo container, but an IS stand right?"

"What? What is it? How strange?! How very strange!"

... these last words carried no meaning. Said just for the sake of saying.

"Quiet! ... Really, can't you guys just keep your mouths shut? Yamada-sensei, please open it!"

"Yes! Then, open sesame!"

Not understanding Yamada-sensei's words, everyone stood stunned.

Seeing this reaction, a tear formed on Yamada-sensei's eyes as she pressed the remote controller.

"Uuu, this generation gap sure is painful..."

Powered by a motor in the container, the heavy metal door began to open with a buzzing sound.

"This, this is..."

Ichika let out a surprised voice.

"... What is this?"

Bang! Chifuyu's attendance book attacked, causing 30 damage to Ichika.

Rubbing his head, Ichika looked at the container once again. What was inside was something that resembles metal armor.

"Instructor, this is——"

"Call me Orimura-sensei."

It seems Laura has seen this armor before. Being called by the name back when she was training the German army accidentally, Chifuyu shot a stare towards Laura.

Being shot by such a harsh expression from her beloved Chifuyu, Laura immediately shut her mouth.

"This is the offensive armored exoskeleton developed by the United Nations, 'EOS'."

"EOS...?"

“Extended Operation Seeker. Known as EOS, it is mainly designed for disaster relief and peace keeping operations. However, branching out the suit's usage is under consideration”

>>13448623

Source: https://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=IS:Volume8_Chapter1

>>13448218
>some internal dialogue by Charlotte that reveals her feelings about her situation a bit more clearly
I'm a bit conflicted on this.

On one hand, it does show how broken and lonely Charlotte is.

On the other hand, it makes her creepy in the sense that she's actually complying willingly to the others of a stranger who only sees her as some sort of tool even before Ichika asked about her current situation. I arrived at that conclusion since, well, in the old manga, Rin managed to threaten a higher-up only because she has an IS of her own while Charlotte is practically a doormat for two whole years which didn't even had an idea to use an IS to rebel (even Shinji used it to go against Gendou for crying out loud).


This is one of those cases of things better left unexplained, letting its reader gives his own interpretation.

>>13448623
So there is armored exoskeletons in addition to IS?

>>13448672
>creepy
I've yet to read the manga but isn't she raised like a boy and forced into it against her own will? There's probably some bullshit parenting all around that shaped her mind into a broken mess.
So yeah, in a sense it's creepy as fuck but it's probably supposed to make you emotionally invested in her well-being, so to speak. You'd want Ichika or anyone else to encourage her and support her, so she can finally speak her mind. That's how I feel doormat characters are written.

>>13449642
Charlotte was only pretended to be a boy so as to get closer as to the other guy (Ichika the MC) who can operate the IS. She pretty much lived a normal life away from her father because her mother is his mistress to him.

When her mother died, Charlotte mentioned that her father's men picked her up and then tested for IS abilities which she seems to be good at. The anime explicitly mentioned that she only talked to her father for two hours (maybe implying total) while the LN and in the manga that she only talked to him a few times. He's practically a stranger to her and yet she happily complies to his stupid orders even though she's an cadet representative (if the 4koma was to be believed, they're celebrities) and has her own IS unit.

And, even if I were to accept her Cinderella back story, why did she out herself as a female? That would make Dunois Corporation lose its credibility leading to its loss its license to manufacture IS (which would lead to massive unemployment of those unnamed people who was just working with no idea that the company has such shady undertakings).

This whole unexplained, conflicting setting about Charlotte (which was heard directly from her) makes it look like she's saying things to manipulate people. It doesn't help that she's projected as such during gags.

>>13448674

Yep, though as the text says, usage is "under consideration." That part of Volume 8 is basically IS Academy being asked to test the EOS suits.

>>13448672
>>13449892

Thinking back on it, I just realized Charlotte's "Ichika no ecchi" line comes off a little hypocritical given her fantasy in the bulk of Volume 8, never mind that the circumstances in the fantasy may have been how she happened.

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>>13448672
>>13449892
Charlotte does what she's told because she's an ordinary child that was completely unprepared for her having the rug pulled out from under her life by her mother's death, after which she was isolated emotionally and completely lost and had no idea what to do, other than what she's told. She was uncomfortable with her instruction to begin with, and that feeling only got worse when she found her mark was a really nice dude and the first person to show her any affection in years. She seemed almost glad when he discovered her, and was resigned to her fate.

>"It was miserable...had my mother told me more, I wouldn't have been so lost."
>"Is it okay?"
>"That doesn't matter. I have no right to choose. This can't be helped."

>Rin managed to threaten a higher-up only because she has an IS of her own while Charlotte is practically a doormat for two whole years which didn't even had an idea to use an IS to rebel
Well, it's not quite the same. Rin leveraged her candidate position into a favour, she wasn't exactly threatening to go on a rampage. And going out of line with an IS seems like a bad idea to me because it's the sort of thing people would probably take really seriously and take no chances with. And as for Charlotte leveraging her own position, she's dependant on her father, whereas Rin still has family to support her and thus has a safety net. Charlotte has nowhere else to turn, or at least sees nowhere else to turn.

>>13449931
This may just be me, but I always took that line in a semi affectionate 'anata baka' kind of way, since she only ever uses it on occasions that are very clearly her fault to begin with. It would long have seemed hypocritical if you take it seriously.

>>13449984
>Charlotte does what she's told because she's an ordinary child that was completely unprepared for her having the rug pulled out from under her life by her mother's death
Both of us have no idea what her mother's job was before she died nor to what extent her teachings to Charlotte was.

>the first person to show her any affection in years
Nitpicking but she mentioned that it's just two years (the time spent after her mother's death until the time she met Ichika). I could assume that everyone she met during those time were pure assholes with at best treats her as a tool. But, what about the time before that? Was she and her mother completely isolated that there's no one else around? Again, just nitpicking and there's nothing in the source material that I know of that details such things. Feel free to correct me.

>going out of line with an IS seems like a bad idea to me because it's the sort of thing people would probably take really seriously and take no chances with
With how the rarity of the IS cores and the only one who can develop them is missing, people sure have no problems with kids messing around with the IS in case said IS core is damaged. Considering that there's Houki getting an authorization to use an Uchigane to train with Ichika, it's kinda weird how a personal IS unit works when they just hand it out to a cadet representative as opposed to an actual representative. Cecilia may have bought her IS but I don't think Rin's family can. Yeah, shitty writing is to blame here when trying to use logic.

>she's dependant on her father
>nowhere else to turn, or at least sees nowhere else to turn.
This is what worries/rages me more: why would Charlotte even have to out herself as a female? There was no guarantee that after three years she and Ichika would find a way to escape her predicament. She could even just continue to pretend that she's working with her father even though she's not

>>13443797
Get a lobotomy.

>>13450028
>to what extent her teachings to Charlotte was.
Well, Charlotte herself felt unprepared, so there's that.

>But, what about the time before that? Was she and her mother completely isolated that there's no one else around?
No detail about this exists, but from flashbacks I always took them to live alone relatively isolated out in the French countryside.

Given that it's an IS academy I'm assuming that training with them is commonplace. The reason they have to get authorisation is because it's school equipment that needs booked because it's in limited supply.

Regarding the cadet rep thing, I remember making a note that Britain's actual rep attends the academy as well, but doesn't have a personal machine. Cecelia had Blue Tears because she had the best compatability with the weapon systems they were testing on it, it had nothing to do with her family. Given that they're a jealously hoarded nation resource I doubt any private citizen straight up owns one. At most IS dev companies get loaner cores from the government to test stuff (like Char's Rafale).

Also, I don't think damaging the core is a concern (what with absolute defence), my point was more that it's a powerful piece of hardware, so going rogue with it isn't to be taken lightly.

>why would Charlotte even have to out herself as a female
I think she wanted to make a clean break of things and stop living a lie, pragmatism be damned.

>reading all that mecha musume vs magical girl arguments
it's really simple you dumbasses, mecha musume is anything mechanical like in nature, even if it's only visually, + girls

so magical girl based mecha musume is still mecha musume

don't overthink the mecha musume title, it is really that simple, machine looking + girls

>>13451740
>what with absolute defence
Absolute Defense is stupid since once the energy runs out, direct damage to the pilot is inevitable. Heck, the IS heavily relies on that alone that there's practically no protection to its user, just armaments.

>At most IS dev companies get loaner cores from the government to test stuff (like Char's Rafale).
Wouldn't the European Union seize her IS core? If it's just a loaner core and Dunois Corporation is out of options (due to lack of time, resources, etc) that it's desperate to pull off a stupid reverse-trap scheme to steal another country's technology, Charlotte outing herself would result into shaming France (which may or may not be involved in this but Sugar & Honey mentions that they do know) thus putting them in a unfavorable spotlight.

>she wanted to make a clean break of things and stop living a lie, pragmatism be damned
I'm all for that with Charlotte.

But, it's just that, everything fits way too perfectly for her Cinderella back story that it feels (personal interpretation here) something's a miss. It doesn't help that 1) Yumizuru Izuru once admitted of changing things of what he has already planned due to popularity; and 2) they weren't even sure Charlotte was that popular which is why in the original version published by MF, Laura gets to be in the cover first.

Which is why I prefer the setting used in Sonic Winter's Charlotte series wherein she kept up her Charles guise even during the seaside school. Maybe because I see Charlotte as a nice girl who sees the bigger picture rather than just the small details ("I might hate Father for all the suffering I went to but that doesn't mean I have to endanger his company that employs people who has no idea what he and some of his followers are doing").

>>13444037
can confirm, played the actuall game for a week or two out of curiousty and good god I don't know what the fuck where they trying to achieve with the anime

>>13452697
Absolute defence is distinct from the regular shields, is far more durable, activates only in an emergency, and consumes lots of power. So it's not infallible, but it is enough for what you described (someone dicking around with the core).

>Wouldn't the European Union seize her IS core?
IS academy extraterritoriality. They can't by international law. I guess they could declare it seized and take it once her time is up, but through official channels their hands would be tied.

>everything fits way too perfectly for her Cinderella back story that it feels (personal interpretation here) something's a miss
I'm not too sure what you're getting at. So what if he did thematically base her off Cinderella, why does that matter?

>that doesn't mean I have to endanger his company that employs people who has no idea what he and some of his followers are doing").
I thought about this once. The conclusion I reached was that IS tech is a sufficiently complex field that IS engineers could easily find work elsewhere. And (correct me if I'm misremembering) the Dunois corporation has it's fingers in many pies, of which IS development is but one. It's a big one, especially given the political climate, but if they lost their contracts because they couldn't keep up then they'd most likely jettison their now redundant IS development subdivision.

It just now occurs to me that I am engaging in theorycraft about the fictional economy of a shitty harem series. I think I may need to go to bed.

>>13453211
>IS academy extraterritoriality. They can't by international law. I guess they could declare it seized and take it once her time is up, but through official channels their hands would be tied.
From the things worded so far, Charlotte is indeed untouchable during her stay in the IS Academy. The IS core, however, is a different story. If we go for your "loaner cores from the government" hypthesis, then it is originally affiliated not to Charlotte. As you noted before,
> Britain's actual rep attends the academy as well, but doesn't have a personal machine
and development for Kanzashi's machine was halted when Ichika's existence was known. So, I think it is possible that the machine or IS core could be seized.

>I'm not too sure what you're getting at.
I just posted what I thought about Charlotte.

All the information and back story about Charlotte is mostly from what she tells. Unlike Cecilia or Laura who has someone else (Chelsea, Clarissa) to confirm their stories, Charlotte has no one. There's a physical exam shown in S2 and yet Charles managed to dodge that basic procedure.

I've seen a lot of material that features a reverse-trap like HanaKimi or Pia Carrot but those reverse-trap never go out of their way to flirt with girls (AKA people whom they share the same gender with) unless needed like Haruhi of Ouran. But, in the original LN and in Yuuki Homura's manga, Charles went all out with the compliments. The 4koma even made fun of after her reveal. Now, think about this: Charlotte knows first hand on the effects of a single mother and how hard it might be to have been abandoned by the man she loves. Yet, she showered them with empty compliments. With all the possible role model on how a guy should act, she chooses this borderline-playboy nice guy persona? The same thing that she hates about Ichika?

>I am engaging in theorycraft about the fictional economy of a shitty harem series
IS has a great setting only to be squandered on recycled harem hijinks.

>>13452540
Thinking isn't /m/

>>13453376
>So, I think it is possible that the machine or IS core could be seized.
Maybe on paper, but they'd have to intrude on the academy to actually get it, and that's a big no no.

I'm not sure where to start with this. I guess with your making special exception to this one character's exposition as unreliable, when we generally give characters the benefit of the doubt, because doubting absolutely everything because we don't immediately see it firsthand is asinine. Yes, I realise we never will see any of it because Yumizuru's writing, but the point stands. Not that that's the case anyway, we have some of her own internal thoughts that are generally regarded as more reliable sources of information anyway.
>empty compliments
Char being Char, those were probably sincere, or at least an attempt at being polite.

>she chooses this borderline-playboy nice guy persona?
Charlotte doesn't really behave any differently after the reveal. Nice is her real personality. And to pre-empt your inevitable angel of death comment, that doesn't mean it's all she's capable of, it's just how she comes across. She didn't really have to put on a persona, anyway, Ichika essentially did her mission for her by befriending her.

>borderline-playboy nice guy persona? The same thing that she hates about Ichika?
That's not what she hates about Ichika. She hates that he's an insensitive oaf who can't read the mood when it's in a sexual context, and suspects that he may be deliberately trying to keep them all at arms length, which is like the opposite of being a playboy.

>>13453625
>I'm not sure where to start with this
You don't have to. As I said before, this are all just my personal ramblings. This is all just me trying to piece together or making sense (in my own way) on what has been shown so far.

>those were probably sincere, or at least an attempt at being polite
I consider it empty since it's an exaggeration.
>"I can't let you girls waste your bright sunny time for someone like me. That's because I'll get drunk from such a sweet aroma surrounding me."
Do you really think that's sincere or polite and not flirtatious?

>he's an insensitive oaf who can't read the mood when it's in a sexual context, and suspects that he may be deliberately trying to keep them all at arms length, which is like the opposite of being a playboy
Remember the angel of death after Laura forced to kiss him? Remember how she along with the others chased Ichika and Houki after those almost kissed? Remember how she complied without hesitation to shoot Ichika as punishment for being late because a girl (in an all-girls school at that) approached him and talk to him?

Sure, those are just recycled harem hijinks brought by shitty writing but it's still there. And, we're starting to push our own interpretation of things so let's leave this be since this will go nowhere.

>She didn't really have to put on a persona, anyway, Ichika essentially did her mission for her by befriending her.
Her mission was to bring the data 3rd Generation IS (specifically with Byaku Shiki in mind) back to Dunois Corp. We have no idea how that is being done nor it was shown/mentioned explicitly. I'm not sure if it was stated that Ichika freely gave that said data to Charlotte. So, as things stand, there's no knowing if that mission is a success or not.

>have to intrude on the academy to actually get it, and that's a big no no
Shouldn't the quantization tech that magically transports the IS itself be enough? Just show official documents and cooperate with the procedures.

Probably unintentional, but is Blue Tears supposed to be based on Layzner (blue color, beam rifle and two missiles)?

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>>13454697
I think it was based on the Strike Freedom actually.

>>13452540
You have no clue what you're talking about, shut the fuck up.

Watch/read whatever you can tolerate then go fap to IS doujins on sadpanda.

>>13455246
sorry mech musume isn't some super special niche genre that only autists like you can understand

it is simply machine + girls

>>13444048
>The characters have to represent ot symbilize some sort of person or thing, not merely be enhanced by gear and gizmos.
>kancolle girls are anthropomorphized girls representing ww2 ships
>BUT KANCOLLE ISN'T MECHAMUSUME

/m/ really is this >>13444194
You fuckers man, seriously.

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I miss Charlotte's chestplate. It really tied the outfit together.

>>13455260
>it is simply machine + girls

Godannar is mecha musume?

I regrettably watched the first season of this, and other than some of the designs being neat, I remember a few things that struck out to me, so maybe novelfags could explain them:
What's with IS being able to materialize themselves and weapons out of thin air? Is it ever explained?
Can an IS core be destroyed? Since they did say there was a limited number of them and nobody knew how to make more, destroying one would be a huge deal. Yet they apparently blew that one AI controlled one with no issue.
If only women can pilot it how come an AI can? Couldn't they then use the AI as a "female to male emulator" and put a male pilot on it? Is it ever explained why only women and the MC can use them?
And, does Houki ever improve her anger management issues?

>>13455734
It's CLANG CLANG

So anyone else watching Antimagic or Asterisk?
I'd mention Rakudai too but I have yet to see robots there

>>13455830
>Is it ever explained?
It's never really given a technobabble explanation, I think the most we get is 'something something quantum'. It's just a piece of black box sci fi tech you have to accept.

>Can an IS core be destroyed
In one of the books some other AI controlled units attack, and a couple are mentioned to have cores that survived their destruction. It's not a big deal because those cores were made by Tabane for her own nefarious ends, and thus aren't counted in the world total.

>If only women can pilot it how come an AI can?
Only Tabane has ever managed to make an AI controlled IS, it's mentioned that no-one else has had any luck. Silver gospel was also (wo)manned in the novels, not sure why they said it was AI in the show.

>Is it ever explained why only women and the MC can use them?
Even Tabane claims not to know. It's likely an artefact of her having only females to test them (herself and Chifuyu), and somewhere along the line it wound up that they'd only accept women. She hasn't investigated why because she doesn't care.

ISs seem to have kind of an Eva esque pilot synch thing where the AI in the core plays better with some people than others, and they're said to have better compatability. Charlotte's general aptitude was unusually high, Cecelia's was good for the specific weapons she uses, Ichika's was fair to middling and Houki's was barely passable, until Tabane juiced her up with nanomachines or something and caused it to skyrocket in a short timeframe.

>And, does Houki ever improve her anger management issues?
HA!

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>>13455830
>What's with IS being able to materialize themselves and weapons out of thin air? Is it ever explained?
>Can an IS core be destroyed? Since they did say there was a limited number of them and nobody knew how to make more, destroying one would be a huge deal. Yet they apparently blew that one AI controlled one with no issue.
>If only women can pilot it how come an AI can? Couldn't they then use the AI as a "female to male emulator" and put a male pilot on it? Is it ever explained why only women and the MC can use them?
>And, does Houki ever improve her anger management issues?
Every single thing is explained away through throwaway anime cliches/tropes and gags, or left hanging forgotten.

It's Love Hina withe metal bits on the bitches and you're asking about how to studying for Todai entrance exams.

>>13455883
Still better then IBO

>>13455881
Still better then G-REKT-O

>>13455886
>>13455892
Still better than you.

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>>13455830
>does Houki ever improve her anger management issues?
That would require the status quo to change, so no.

Incidentally, I feel obligated to point out that novel Ichika is a different beast, for a book or two. It makes the novels more enjoyable after watching the show because of how much better he is.


>'Ah, how I will be executed. You know, Houki, the problem with murder isn't what's before, but after. The human body is composed of slightly over 50kg of lipids (fat) and proteins. It also includes about more than 10L of blood. After that are the neglected bones in the skeleton. In fact, the discomposure of the upper part of the skeleton is quicker. Isn't it different from what we think? That is why most people are puzzled. For the analysis of the skeleton a considerable amount of experience is needed, and if you do it one by one, a lot of time will be wasted. That's when the freezer comes in to play. The freezer...'

>>'Houki's mood worsened as she shows an unhappy look. Nowadays, it seems like her mood will swing from good to bad; such a troublesome person. Is her mind unstable?"

>

>"Today sure was fun, right? Good for you." Houki said such irritating words with a mocking tone. What's she planning to do? Start a quarrel with me? "Who says that I'm happy? Would being tired make me happy? If you were in my position, would you be happy?"


>Oh my, this voice definitely belongs to Chifuyu-nee. Immediately, the tune of Darth Vader played in my mind without a moment's hesitation. On a side note, there's also another tune in my mind. It's called the Terminator.

>Houki was shocked. I was too. The all Japan's most shocked person tournament had begun.

>Never mind, that is nothing. I grew up living with Chifuyu-nee, so I don't have that feeling of 'I'm living with a girl! My heart is beating like crazy! I'm so nervous!'. Besides, I handled many years of Chifuyu-nee's dirty laundry, so I'm not going to panic just because of a piece of girl's underwear.

>>13455734
i didn't watch the show but it looks more like they ride in robots than wear mech parts

>>13455881
>Silver gospel was also (wo)manned in the novels, not sure why they said it was AI in the show.

iirc The pilot was unconcous threw most of the fight so it was on auto in the novel that is.

>>13459683
What I meant was that it was designed for a pilot. Tabane just drove the core AI berserk. America/Israel hadn't developed a drone IS that they could get to operate on its own. Whereas in the anime it was always automated and never had a pilot.

There being a distinction here between the AI in every core that interfaces with the pilot, and one that runs the whole shebang by itself.

>>13459811
Ichika's Byaku Shiki has its Bleach/Zanpaktou moments. I'm not sure if Laura's VT system (or whatever that bullshit tech used during the tag match) counts too. Not sure if the others have it too.

I always assume that the AI is just there for support (like Al or Chamber) so during the Silver Gospel incident, it was just doing its best to protect its pilot.

Holy shit, a decent IS discussion on /m/. I thought we passed the point where that was possible years ago.

>>13455913
All these bits of Ichika snark make me wish the anime had American Psycho style internal monologues over certain scenes, since they would've added a lot of depth to a shallow character (although I get the feeling Ichika was made shallow on purpose for enhanced self-insertion).

IIRC, there was some writefagging on some site where Ichika was portrayed as a psychopath who got injected with a sex drive suppression drug, which would've been infinitely preferable to the shit that was IS S2.

>>13461667

>>Laura's VT system (or whatever that bullshit tech used during the tag match)

Valkyrie Trace System. It is outlawed for reasons mentioned in this excerpt from Volume 2, Chapter 4 of the LNs:

However, Chifuyu knew that she wasn't someone who would give up after hearing such an answer, so after she remained silent to indicate that this can't be said to others, she began to speak,

"Do you know of the [VT system]?"

"I do...the actual name is [Valkyrie Trace System]...it records the systems of all the previous Mondo Grosso's Champions. I remember that's..."

"That's right. Right now, the research, and even the development, usage and all is banned under the IS treaty, and it was in your IS."

"..."

"It was hidden really well. The pilot's mental state, the damage the machine took, and most importantly, the pilot's will...no, the desire. It can only activate with all these conditions. right now, the academy's questioning the German Army, and the committee members will most likely carry out an investigation."

>>13463140
Snarky Ichika was around like only in the first couple of volumes after which he became your standard MC along with the haremettes turning into the standard clingy, possessive self-proclaimed girlfriends.

IS S2 combines the two most grave mistakes of adaptation: rushing through things AND inserting its own filler episodes. I mean, why replace Cecilia's training arc to learn how to bend lasers with a SOL of her trying to improve her cooking only to almost kill the other haremettes. Then again, seeing how Volume 8 turned out to be "Erotic Fantasies in the Electronic Brain World with some side plot", I guess the current direction won't allow a snarky Ichika. That or Ichika received too much "punishment" from the girls that some parts of his brains (like lust and snarkiness) are not working right now.


>>13463243
IS Technobabble is really vague. If VT System is supposed to be just a recorder, then what's the DG Cell-esque transformation that took place supposed to be?

I could dig it if it's like "the VT system recognized this attack pattern (lone member vs tag team) so time to emulate what the lone member did to win the match".

>>13463295

>>If VT System is supposed to be just a recorder, then what's the DG Cell-esque transformation that took place supposed to be?

I'm guessing this is why it was outlawed in the first place. It ended up taking advantage of what the pilot was thinking at the moment and activated.

>>Then again, seeing how Volume 8 turned out to be "Erotic Fantasies in the Electronic Brain World with some side plot", I guess the current direction won't allow a snarky Ichika. That or Ichika received too much "punishment" from the girls that some parts of his brains (like lust and snarkiness) are not working right now.

Doesn't he still chew them out for having such fantasies?

>>13463452
>this is why it was outlawed in the first place.
Wasn't it supposed to "records the systems of all the previous Mondo Grosso's Champions"? It's not like all the champions would do the same thing over and over again.

Then again, I have serious problems with how technology is being handled in the IS verse. I'm not aware of the reason why technologies such as quantization or Laura's AIC is not being implemented as a stand-alone instead of just an armament to IS.

>It ended up taking advantage of what the pilot was thinking at the moment and activated.
Technically, while all the other conditions have been fulfilled, it was asking for confirmation from Laura before the whole DG Cell-esque transformation happened.

>>13463539

>>Wasn't it supposed to "records the systems of all the previous Mondo Grosso's Champions"? It's not like all the champions would do the same thing over and over again.

I'm guessing the VT System recording how Mondo Grosso participants fight would have caused problems with the Alaska Treaty.

>>Then again, I have serious problems with how technology is being handled in the IS verse. I'm not aware of the reason why technologies such as quantization or Laura's AIC is not being implemented as a stand-alone instead of just an armament to IS.

Probably there applied on ISes as testbeds before being applied elsewhere?

Also, speaking of Mondo Grosso, given that it's held every three years, and that there have been three since the beginning of the story, was the first one (which Chifuyu won) held sometime in the same year the IS was introduced or three years after the introduction of the IS?

>>13463702

>>Probably they're applied on ISes as testbeds before being applied elsewhere?

Fixed

>>13463702
>Probably there applied on ISes as testbeds before being applied elsewhere?
This is my main gripe about it. Why on the IS? AIC seems like a technology that can be used and tested without the need for an IS. Or rather how did it turn out that way? Was there even a mention any attempt to use the technology like quantization (very handy in terms of delivering goods) outside the IS similar to how Neils to wanted to see the Plavsky Particles used outside Gunpla Battle?

Unless IS run on an energy source technology that is either unique and/or very hard to replicate resource-wise (like some sort of orgone energy from females that Tabane managed to create) that it's much better to focus on refining the technology being developed .

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>>13443797
I think I will just wait for the nitroplus version of infinite shit.

>>13463988

that guy really likes ass cutouts.

>>13463865
>Unless IS run on an energy source technology that is either unique and/or very hard to replicate resource-wise, that it's much better to focus on refining the technology being developed .
This is pretty much it. The IS core is a black box piece of tech that serves as both a power source, an anti-gravity device and a self adapting CPU, with the capability to store some matter (digitally, I think, given the talk of bus slots). One of the conceits of the setting is that the core is a piece of mad science that no normal engineer can understand, and the best they can do is develop their own proprietary equipment to fit around it and integrate with it.

>Laura's AIC is not being implemented as a stand-alone instead of just an armament to IS.
I guess you could assume that either the core is the only compact source of energy/processing power that could support the tech they use, or that it's so expensive they can only practically employ it on a limited run platform like an IS. Though it's worth noting that as of volume 8 Tatenashi's IS has an AIC as well.
>>13463295
I think the implication was that the VT system was banned because it jacked control from the pilot and operated relentlessly under unpredictable parameters (the pilots feelings at the time).

>>13461667
I'd say every IS most definitely has an AI. Ichika's machine has the original core that's been around the longest, so it seems to have developed a bit more and started asserting itself.

What you suggested about SG was pretty much what I meant. Tabane diddled with the core AI and drove it berserk, causing it to operate without pilot consent.

>>13464131

>> One of the conceits of the setting is that the core is a piece of mad science that no normal engineer can understand

And I'd take it that the whole "only women can pilot ISes" is part of it?

>>I think the implication was that the VT system was banned because it jacked control from the pilot and operated relentlessly under unpredictable parameters (the pilots feelings at the time).

That's what I was thinking at >>13463452.

>>13464223
>And I'd take it that the whole "only women can pilot ISes" is part of it?
Pretty much. It's sci fi tech. The how and why of it isn't important, only the effect it has on the setting and characters (or y'know, doesn't, since this is IS after all, but the point still stands)

Tabane claims to have no idea why it works only for women, that wrinkle having never been noticed because her only test pilot was female, but she also doesn't really care, so she never even tried to fix it.

>>13464242
>only the effect it has on the setting and characters (or y'know, doesn't, since this is IS after all, but the point still stands)
To be fair, it's better that we ignore the effect on the setting, because it was really stupid "radical feminism wins" bullshit.

>>13464303
It's not like *you* have to ignore it, because the entire franchise ignores it. Day one they tell you 'the gender dynamic has been flipped', but nobody really acts like it.

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>>13444017
>Sky Girls - Silly SOL concept in a serious war story, garbage
Don't listen to this faggot, Sky Girls is surprisingly great.

>>13464374
inb4 that autists comes back and says sky girls isn't mecha musume

>>13464303
>radical feminism wins
So it's a near feature after all.

Squall and Madoka really should have been seen drinking from
>male tears
mugs

>>13464303
>>13464367
The only reason it's there is so the series can have the excuse of making Ichika the only male in the series that can use an IS.

The entire setting is set up specifically for harem horseshit antics.

>>13464407
How is that only bad in IS case?

Nobody seems to complain about the
>Only women can pilot the things. Except this guy
set up in Dual! or Seikishi.

>>13464407
>The entire setting is set up specifically for harem horseshit antics.
Which wouldn't be too bad if the author bothered/was allow to develop characters properly, but the fucking LN industry doesn't want that at all.

That said, I think it would've been way better to make IS focus on the international tournament, but I bet the LN publishers wouldn't have touched it.

>>13443797

Sunny side up, idaresay.

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>>13464518
>I read harem sewage
>and I want character development

>>13464427
I always complained about those.

>>13463988
>nitroplus version
Well that's a recipe for trolling and disaster. All you need is for Urobutchi to be involved it'll be a nuke that destroys /m/.

>>13464561
You say that like a genre revolving entirely around an ensemble cast is a bad place to have character development.

>>13464878
Nothing that changes the status quo will be allowed.
Harems aren't ensembles as much they are juggling acts, with different colored balls.

IS isn't Bakemonogatari or even a Haruhi, it's Ranma 1/2.
It's commercial success alone ensures its permanent mediocrity and an inconclusive/ non-ending other then a time skip epilogue with the Nip tsundere with Itchy's kid.

Is character development, good?
Sure, but don't expect it such a format with such a limit scope.

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>>13464643
Well I meant their former artist for VNs Niθ, really. One of his fellow Nitroplus artists who is his junior also works on illustrations for light novels now(Maou testament and Hundred).

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>>13464932
What about Negima? It had character development for certain. It did admittedly have a half assed non-ending, but for perfectly understandable reasons (the author wanted to stop his publisher getting their mits on it and needed to finish it immediately).

>>13465018
We all know Negima is Dragonball Z masquerading as Harem.

>>13465024
But there *was* an ensemble cast of girls, and at least half a dozen of them had a genuine romantic interest in the male lead, and this interest was carried through the shift in tone. The genre doesn't need to limit the scope, they could be attending high school or on a quest to defeat an evil overlord, as long as the character interactions are similar it's harem.

>Harems aren't ensembles as much they are juggling acts, with different colored balls.
Bad ones are, for sure. I'm not convinced it's impossible to pull of though.

I'll confess, I've not actually watched much harem anime, so I don't have much to draw on. I've occasionally heard good things about the manga version of Rosario + Vampire? Shuffle? Haganai? I'm just shooting the dark with those, I'm not very familiar with them.

A lot of examples that come to my mind are visual novels that cheat by having multiple routes with laser focus on one character, so they're disqualified.

I guess my basis for thinking is that these characters have great potential for development, and that the only thing preventing it is the willingness of the author to move out of the safe zone....which is admittedly very rare and results in this>>13465018

>>13465126
>the only thing preventing it is the willingness of the author to move out of the safe zone....
Well, here's the thing - the LN industry is SUPER shitty. They've taken bad working titles and turned them into final titles without letting authors know, force rookie authors to follow absurdly strict deadlines, and the need to turn almost everything into a harem story.

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>>13465015
The main character also gattais with his harem members to achieve different modes to his power armor.

>>13448333
I didn't finish reading the first novel, but the inner thoughts of Ichika made me think he's kind of bitter about his life, and not without reason. It's not even about being the one guy in a school of girls, but you see when Chifuyu first enters the stage that Ichika not only didn't expect her there, he didn't even know what her job was. "I'm an idiot for worrying about you," he thinks, and the only reason he's in the IS Academy in the first place is that he was going to a similarly named technical school to make sure he had a job to support her in the future. And later still he thinks that as lousy as his situation is, he has to stick with his sister: "I'm not going to walk away on Chifuyu-nee, not like our parents whose faces I never knew." Under all the harem hijinks and permanently unresolved plots there's a current of loneliness in IS, with all the main characters coming from broken families or not having them in the first place, and I wish there was more of that.

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>>13465247
Yeah, that sounds like an entertainment industry alright. How about manga?

>the need to turn almost everything into a harem story.
Slightly off topic, but god I hope they don't end up doing this to Accel world. It's alright for now, but it's teetering on the brink of being a harem and it'd be a real shame if it did.

>>13465126
How many "GOOD" harems are their that have a significant focus on the harem portion of the series?

>>13465314
Twintail and DXD both come to mind. Most of the harem genre being such a cesspool is all the more aggravating because there are titles that show it can be better.

>>13465297
You are ABSOLUTELY right, and it's a shame none of this made the cut.

Basically, Ichika's deal is thus; after his parents abandoned them when he was very young, the teenage Chifuyu was stuck providing for them both. Though she never begrudged that, it made him feel like a burden, which he tried to alleviate by doing as much miscellaneous chore work as he could (cooking, washing etc) and later getting a job. Then he got kidnapped apparently just to make her throw a fight, which amplified those feelings further.

Basically, Ichika regards himself as a burden on other people. This is why he tries to be as helpful as possible (to alleviate it), and what motivates him, since if he becomes strong he won't need Chifuyu anymore and she can get on with her own life. He also appears to keep people at arms length because he doesn't want their attachment to him to weigh them down.

As a result of this and his abandonment he has a strong work ethic and sense of responsibility, since he doesn't want to be like his parents. Actually, he takes an extremely dim view of irresponsible parenting in general, which is why Char's confession cuts him so deep:

>Charles shows a timid look of not understanding what's happening, but—ahh damn it, I can't stop talking. That's mostly because I can't even control my emotions now. "It's logical that kids won't be born if there are no parents. But still, that doesn't mean that they can do anything with them. That's absolutely ridiculous! Everyone has the right to choose how they live, AND THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT EVEN PARENTS CAN INTERFERE WITH!" As I kept talking, I seemed to notice—I see, I'm definitely not talking about Charles. I'm talking about myself, right? And then, thinking about Chifuyu-nee who's been working so hard, I had all the more reason not to endure further.

>>13465297
>Under all the harem hijinks and permanently unresolved plots there's a current of loneliness in IS, with all the main characters coming from broken families or not having them in the first place, and I wish there was more of that.
That's what I heard a lot from people I talked to about IS.

>>13465311
>Yeah, that sounds like an entertainment industry alright. How about manga?
Manga has the deadline problem, but I think they have a bigger problem with editors giving bad advice that causes problems like shit pacing and cast bloat.

>>13464878
The trouble is harem is the antithesis of character growth and development, and the more involved it is, the less of any progression you'll actually get. To satisfy the harem portion of the series requires several leaps and bounds in characterization and hand-waving.

I mean, look at Ranma 1/2 with it's ensamble cast. It's probably one of the few if not only harem series that
a) Allow for significant male characters to be apart of the case that don't serve the purpose of making Ranma the only good looking, non-evil, not-sexist character in the cast. Basically what I'm saying is that they're not all strawmen for him to beat down.
b) Allows for all sorts of characters, main characters included in getting into all sorts of selfish/petty shenanigans, but making sure to know where to draw the line, so we know how far the characters will take it. Ranma isn't above putting on a disguise and playing with Ryoga's feelings for some goal, but he doesn't use anything like love potions or magic rods
c) Will take a break from comedy and bother to have a story arc and to move the character's on a bit. Characters actually learn something from past events

But even with all that, if things changed too much, the story would fall apart. Ranma can't shoo off Shampoo or admit anything to Akane, he can't actually get rid of his curse and so on and so forth. And that's just with Ranma. Other series don't even try even a quarter of this shit.

I'm just bewildered, because I exist in a time when Ranma Saotome is a well-defined character compared to what we get today. Shit, main characters have gotten so fucking bland these days, we don't even call them by name, we call them "MC"

>>13465297
>Under all the harem hijinks and permanently unresolved plots there's a current of loneliness in IS, with all the main characters coming from broken families or not having them in the first place, and I wish there was more of that.
It gets better. Consider, the reason the girls like Ichika is because they're fucked up, damaged people:

Houki: He was the only good thing in her miserable childhood and she clang to an impossible idealised memory of him to keep herself going. After meeting him again, the disconnect between her view and reality sets off her temper constantly.

Cecelia: Only man she could ever respect because of her abysmal selection of male role models, and thus her crush which she desperately wants to fulfil before having to give her life to her obligations to her dead parents.

Rin: Had a thing for him back during what she regarded as her golden years just before her parents divorced, and tries to retain as much of them as possible, including said crush, and acting childish like she always did even though she's quite capable of being more mature.

Charlotte: The only person in the two years since her mother died to go out of his way to be nice to her after she was alone for so long.

Laura: Her first crush in her first exposure to civilian life. He rescued her, she felt warm fuzzy feelings, was told they were love and didn't know any better.

>>13465436
Ranma isn't a harem per say. it's a gag manga first and the love dodecahedron serves as comedy fodder.

>>13465436
>>13465455
This. Ranma is a gag series with long training arcs.

>>13465383
>>13465441
And see, you could make a story about these broken, hurt people and how they manage to find strength in each other, but it hits the walls of the harem genre hard. It's usually agreed that Ichika is at his most likable in the anime when Charlotte arrives but he still thinks she is a boy. The constant tension between Ichika as the MC and the girls in any interaction they have (is this where they confess/kiss/fuck?) means that he can't build a relationship with them that doesn't involve sexual comedy, and because he is the MC the interactions they have between each other are limited to background fluff or girl/girl fanservice at best.

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>Harem
>having a "winner"
Cancer.

>>13465470
And thus we have again reached the conclusion about the state of IS and why some people cling to it even though we know it's bad.

I've heard it said that IS is like a visual novel where the author keeps getting on character's routes and then quitting and loading at an earlier point to continue as if nothing ever happened.

...compare Monogatari, which is like a VN where the protagonist pick a route immediately and sticks with it, with the other characters getting their arcs, just with no romance, and is vastly superior for it.

>>13465470
It doesn't help that IS's idea of 'developing' and 'moving the story along' is introducing a new girl.

You guys remember how Laura tried to kill Rin and Cecilla over what was basically a high-school fight? Not this story!

>>13465508
>It doesn't help that IS's idea of 'developing' and 'moving the story along' is introducing a new girl.
I wonder if that's an editorial thing. More girls does mean that there's more merch to shill and possibly more readers, since you're appealing to more fetishes.

Of course, they could just go proper ensemble and add side characters who have relationships with each other, but fuck that.

>>13465441
God I love how wonderfully fucked up and broken Houki is

>>13465528
Not necessarily. Tite Kubo of Bleach fame is on record as saying that he just starts drawing up new characters when he gets stuck. I'm not saying it's a good thing, mind you, but it can be an author quirk rather than editorial meddling.

>>13465528
>I wonder if that's an editorial thing
In this case I think it might just be that the author has no idea what to do besides maintain his holding pattern.

Although;
>they could just go proper ensemble and add side characters who have relationships with each other
There are a couple of new girls on volume 10 with no interest in Ichika and a relationship with each other.

There's also those (somewhat underutilised pairs among the girls of Cecelia/Rin and Charlotte/Laura, who seem to have formed odd friendships and had a few scenes with each other, Ichika nowhere to be found.

>>13465528
We can only blame the editorial portion of the series so many times.

People have gone on records complaining about his writing, because he does it pretty poorly, even for a harem LN writer.

>>13464144
The White Knight is still in Byakushiki's core.
It manifested itself to fight Madoka in LN volume 10.

>>13465558
>We can only blame the editorial portion of the series so many times.
>People have gone on records complaining about his writing, because he does it pretty poorly, even for a harem LN writer.
I feel like that's partly a result of LN publishers giving people contracts without having them go through some basic creative writing classes first. Shoving people like that into a churn based industry doesn't tend to produce good results unless they're super talented or crazy.

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>>13465544
From the start I really disliked Houki, and to date I still really dislike her. But I have come to appreciate her as a character, since she's probably got the most going on.

Here's something else I noticed; after Ichika left she threw herself into kendo partly because of her family, partly because it was the only connection she still has with him. Kendo being a combat sport, she started using it to vent her considerable pent up frustrations with her loneliness and mistreatment by blowing off steam beating the shit out of her opponents much harder than she needed to (there's even a brief, easily forgettable scene where she realises this). So she developed a hair trigger temper and tendency to vent it through violence, which is why she's such a man beater.

The exaggerated abusive tsundere archetype is often rightly called out, as that character would have to be seriously maladjusted to behave that way. Well, Houki is. Yes she's a bitchy, excessively violent bi-polar temperamental bitch, but her being that way makes perfect sense when you think about it.

The others not so much.

>>13465577
I know, that's what I said. Ichika's Byakushiki has the original core, which was once part of White Knight.

It also appears before him in a dream to ask why he desires its power. So I think it's starting to have something going on upstairs.

There's also Chloe, who is said to be a living IS, or something to that effect.

>>13465599
Well it said that Madoka was a failure before fighting her, so that's something.

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>>13465479
I couldn't agree with you more. It's a male fantasy to be surrounded by women after your dick anyway. You might as well go the full distance and have an ending where the protagonist gets all the girls.

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Season 3 when?

I actually quite liked the Sarashiki sisters

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>>13443971
inb4 it's magical girl

I know but I found it entertaining

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>>13466015
I think you meant season 3 why?

Kanzashi's arc was one of the few things in S2 that made it out of the novels more or less intact. And it actually did kind of work. She's sad and lonely because no-one gives a shit about her since while she's a brilliant prodigy her sister is 'perfect', and she just can't compete with her. And the one time she think's she's accomplished something on her own she promptly finds out that her sister set it up out of pity, and that realisation crushes her.

Kanzashi is a fine character. The problem is her sister. They have this story about being unable to escape the shadow of your 'perfect' older sibling, only to try and have their cake and eat it by shoving Tatenashi down your throat. And Tatenashi is terrible. This term is thrown around far too carelessly, but I in this case its use is called for. She is a mary sue.
She is better at everyone at everything (except sewing, maybe), can beat the supersoldier character in unarmed combat, is declared the most attractive, acts way out of turn and gets off scott free, has all sorts of special privileges and everyone finds that they just can't get mad at her, even though by all rights and their characters they should. Oh, and her real name is Katana. No, really.

The fact that she's kind of an asshole that imposes on people constantly with no regard for them and thinks that her whole plan with her sister was a good thing- (and the series treats it like it was) only adds to that feeling of a an awful person with too many breaks that you get from bad fanfic characters.

The only canon character I've ever seen worse than her is Tatsuya Shiba. And yet even he is more likeable.

Cooincidentally, the novels start to go bad around the time she's introduced, at which point she appears literally every chapter except one in Vol. 8 which she spent unconscious and was less coincidentally one of the better chapters since then.

Fuck Tatenashi.

>>13466157
I always felt that the Sarashiki sisters is a parallel of the Orimura siblings. Compared to what happened and the feats mentioned about them, Chifuyu is a goddess while Tatenashi is just a glorified girl-of-the-volume who has overstayed her welcome and might be turned into a jobber.

The only problem I have about Tatenashi is how she suddenly appears out of nowhere. Both the S1 anime and Yuuki Homura managed to slip Kanzashi early on (it really helps that she's Japan's Cadet Representative in-story). But, there are quite a lot of early incidents that badly needed Tatenashi's presence (she IS the student council president) more than Ichika and company. Her absence during the first golem attack at Ichika and Rin's match might be excused since the students were sealed off. But, what about the tag tournament wherein they have very important guests? Or why did they even bother sending out some newbie first year students (Cecilia, Rin, Houki and Ichika who clearly has no actual battle experience outside tournaments) and did it again after Ichika got almost killed to deal with Silver Gospel? We were told that she was the school's strongest and yet the closest achievement we get for that is the haremettes being awed/scared of her.

>>13466157
>>13466547
I think the combination of Tatenashi appearing from nowhere, being an annoying cunt, and her being a Mary Sue is why she's such a cancer. I stopped watching IS S2 after the two-parter with the bullshit Cinderella play with airsoft guns, because her shit was too fucking stupid and annoying to put up with.

>>13465578
We can only blame the editors so much for what's shitty writing.
People have caught this guy complaining about writing on twitter, or talking about how much he enjoys playing games instead of writing, and tried to switch editors in the middle of a book, putting everything on hold.

>>13467013
Oh, I totally agree, but you have to wonder how much of this is the result of them just tossing book contracts at random people with good ideas and then expecting them to churn out books like robots. If they'd actually bothered to vet/develop these guys BEFORE they got the book contracts, they might've seen that this guy is a flake and just bought the IP off of him so their better writers could use it.

>>13466831
> airsoft guns
Airsoft guns don't blow holes in wooden doors. Those were real guns (and blades).

...

Season 2 everybody!

>I think the combination of Tatenashi appearing from nowhere, being an annoying cunt, and her being a Mary Sue is why she's such a cancer
There's also the fact that she's pointless. She seems to exist to fuck with people without consequence and be fawned over despite continually fucking up and never being called out for it. She has no character of her own, she adds nothing to anybody else's character except her sisters, for which she is a prop that hogs the attention in a grotesque unintentional parody of their in series relationship.

I think she could be salvaged though. Just do the 'Perfection is overrated' bit. Tatenashi was so talented that she never had to strive to achieve anything, so she's completely unprepared for genuine adversity, while Kanzashi has been struggling uphill all her life and is able to better herself, unlike her static sister. It's how I would probably have done it, anyway. That and remove her special exception.

>>13467037
The first IS novel did she some promise, so I wouldn't blame them for this one. I just think he lost his passion for it after it got big, but was stuck doing it by contractual obligation. So he sits on his ass and churns out a half assed new volume very few years. Things might improve, since seeing how much better Homura's manga did his own material seems to have motivated him, but we can't know without a translation for volume 10.

>>13467013
Don't use the editors as a scapegoat if the author is really a shitty writer. Take a look at the Charity of the Hope doujin and tell me that the first half isn't about a Mary Sue.


>>13467037
Yumizuru Izuru was working for Alicesoft.
http://alicesoft.wikia.com/wiki/Hachiman

Not to mention, the Japanese Wikipedia credits Momoiro Guardian to him.

There's also this short series:
https://www.mangaupdates.com/series.html?id=56318

I wouldn't really consider Yumizuru Izuru untested. He's more unpolished writer that refuses to change.


>>13467074
>She seems to exist to fuck with people without consequence and be fawned over despite continually fucking up and never being called out for it.
Reminds me of that new character in Fushigi Yuugi Eikouden.

>Tatenashi was so talented that she never had to strive to achieve anything, so she's completely unprepared for genuine adversity
So, a Golden Freeza treatment?

>I just think he lost his passion for it after it got big, but was stuck doing it by contractual obligation
Volume 6 was released (December 24, 2010) before the first epiosde of the anime aired ( January 7, 2011). Seeing that the gap between volumes during its initial run in MF was about two to three months (four months max for Volume 7 which was released on April 8, 2011 ), it's more like success went into his head when his series was picked up to be turned into an anime.

Speaking of passion, he did try to write another LN series that features his hobby of his, airguns during his IS hiatus.
http://www.amazon.co.jp/dp/4063752526

It flopped so he went back and continue IS under Overlap.

>>13467199
>So, a Golden Freeza treatment?
The story I got that notion from predates that movie by a fair bit, but I guess it's a decent comparison. It was an experiment that threw a few archetypical mary sues into a setting and explored how they fair with their powers and character traits, but without author fiat. The overarching theme being just that; they fail because they're unprepared for failure by their very nature.

> He's more unpolished writer that refuses to change
And IS is an unpolished series that refuses to change. Fitting, that.

It's weird though, he came up with some genuinely neat character concepts with some actual depth to them, which is what makes his later ignoring them all the more frustrating.

>it's more like success went into his head when his series was picked up to be turned into an anime.
There was that thing with his artist, which might have had something to do with it, but yeah, that's probably the case.

Homura may just have lit a fire under him, but I guess we'll have to see.

>>13467240
>IS is an unpolished series that refuses to change.
I always felt that IS just had so many directions (tournament a la Mondo Grosso, harem hijinks, extreme radical feminists) it wanted to go through all of that at the same time. Sure, this can be done via a multiple play through in a VN whose branches/routes (along with the exclusive information and characters that go with it) depends the heroine you chose but, in a linear format like an OVA or LN, it sucks.

Seriously, I really think that Yumizuru's writing IS as if it was a VN. "Congratulations, you completed Kanzashi's route. Now, Katana's route is unlocked!" Better go the Dragon Ball storytelling of finishing the current phase ("Time for a Martial Arts Tournament!') before changing into another one ("Time to take down the evil organization!") instead of leaving everything hanging ("Why the fuck are we doing a sports fest when our school has just been infiltrated so many times ago and we almost got killed if it weren't for our IS!?! Thank god, all our other classmates who don't have one is miraculous unharmed because of us!").

>>13467375
>I always felt that IS just had so many directions it wanted to go through all of that at the same time
I would be less angry about this if it tried to go in all those directions at once and failed, but it doesn't. Instead it basically just sits there indecisively.

I'm not sure I agree with you entirely, I reckon that many of these plot threads exist on different levels of the narrative and could cooexist without too much effort. Chifuyu's secret war with Tabane could comfortably sit on the back burner and only pop up into the immediate plot on occasion. There's the school stuff, which the cast would mostly be doing, with an occasional fluff bit like a festival, intermittent (and escalating) encounters with Phantom Task (maybe with a bit of lasting impact), plus whatever other stories about geopolitics or industrial espionage or what have you. Plus, the character interaction/development stuff sprinkled throughout all of this, with maybe some focal points at significant story events.

>>13467375
>Seriously, I really think that Yumizuru's writing IS as if it was a VN. "Congratulations, you completed Kanzashi's route. Now, Katana's route is unlocked!" Better go the Dragon Ball storytelling of finishing the current phase ("Time for a Martial Arts Tournament!') before changing into another one ("Time to take down the evil organization!") instead of leaving everything hanging ("Why the fuck are we doing a sports fest when our school has just been infiltrated so many times ago and we almost got killed if it weren't for our IS!?! Thank god, all our other classmates who don't have one is miraculous unharmed because of us!").
You know what? I think this is a major problem in a LOT of Japanese fiction, because there are so many long running things stretch out plot arcs far beyond the point of reason due to adding tons of other stuff that has nothing to do with early plot arcs.

That said, that could just be bad story planning/structuring, which goes back to my point that I don't think a lot of these authors have any idea how to plan things out properly and/or the editors not doing a good job.

>>13467449
>Instead it basically just sits there indecisively.
More like introducing stuff (if lucky, develop it a little) only to forget all about it on the next volume. Seriously, we never really get to see any ramifications from what happened previously. Not even for minor ones like the girls whom "Charles" flirted with.

>Chifuyu's secret war with Tabane
We never even know what started this unless it was petty like "Chi-chan doesn't see that I'm just lonely and I have no other playmate." The two of them were shown to be still quite friendly with one another when Tabane gave Houki the Akatsubaki.


>>13467474
Writing for VNs has a distinct advantage of resolving plot threads introduced in the common route into just one of the other routes of the main heroine OR even having a radically different tone for each of the route (like getting a normal romance in one route, fantasy or even end of the world on the other).

It helps that the other haremettes seem to be out-of-focus (just like in the VN) when IS puts a spotlight on its girl-of-the-moment.

>>13467607
>The two of them were shown to be still quite friendly with one another when Tabane gave Houki the Akatsubaki.
Chifuyu seemed a little guarded to me. I think it was started by her, perhaps upon realising that Tabane was a serious threat to the world, and by extension to her only remaining family, especially considering her interest in him. Tabane seems almost amused by her behaviour if anything.

>>13467685
>realising that Tabane was a serious threat to the world
Well, considering that Tabane once set off all nuclear weapons to Japan only to show off her IS to the world (using Chifuyu no less), I doubt Chifuyu thinks Tabane as anything less but a serious threat.

>>13467747
Well yeah. But then Chifuyu is pretty fucking shady herself, considering her dubious family history, superhuman capabilities and superweapon collecting hobby. She's already got those spare cores and her old machine stashed away in the basement, god only knows what else she has lurking in the depths of the academy.

>>13464932
>>Nothing that changes the status quo will be allowed.
>Harems aren't ensembles as much they are juggling acts, with different colored balls.
>>13465436
>he trouble is harem is the antithesis of character growth and development, and the more involved it is, the less of any progression you'll actually get.

I actually detest this when people act like this is the defining feature of the harem genre. Harem isn't the problem. The problem is RomCom being the main focus of harems. RomCom depends on idiotic competition between girls (be they shows with a simple love triangle or shows with large harems) and uses that as the selling point. This creates a catch 22 for the author where if he allows anyone to grow past a point in their relationship and give a winner before the end they have created a dead end and their income will die. Harems work fine when writers are smart enough to not fall into the rom com trap, and advance with their setting and an outside plot.

>>13467897
PT actually told Ichika to be wary of Chifuyu in vol 10.

>>13468502
>Harems work
Never

>>13468502
See Bakemonogatari, which has all the trappings of a harem series, but picks a pairing and sticks with it the entire show, and is all the more fascinating because of it.

>>13465365
DxD should have more dragon fisting desu

What is better as a mass-produced IS? Uchigane or Rafael Revive II?

>>13473177
The Rafale Revive II isn't mass produced, it's a test type custom job with tweaked performance. Between the Uchigane and Rafale Revive I'd say RR. Better load capacity.

As an aside, the fact that the anime doesn't have models for anything else resulted in anybody that wasn't Japan using the (French made) RR, including the almost certainly British military base where Madoka stole the Zephyrus.

>>13474033

I thought the "Custom" part meant that it was customized for Charlotte to use?

>>almost certainly British military base where Madoka stole the Zephyrus.

Aren't you referring to Madoka attacking that American base in an attempt to steal Silver Gospel as read here:

https://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=IS:Volume6_Chapter1

>>13474128
Basically, since they couldn't into 3rd gen tech, the company just specced up what they had to try and keep up, so it's customized in that sense.

Nah, I was referring to the anime only bit where she's shown in a base. The fact that the soldiers even recognise Zephyrus suggested to me that she'd just stolen it from there, which would make it a British base. Of course in all likelihood they never thought about whether or not they should know it or what nationality theyt were, so eh.

On a related note, in the last episode of S2 Madoka completely vaporises like a dozen or so Uchigane's sent to respond with absolutely no effort, which seems like it should be a bigger deal considering that ought to be near enough Japan's entire stock of cores.

>>13474617

>>Nah, I was referring to the anime only bit where she's shown in a base. The fact that the soldiers even recognise Zephyrus suggested to me that she'd just stolen it from there, which would make it a British base. Of course in all likelihood they never thought about whether or not they should know it or what nationality theyt were, so eh.

See. That's where Season 2 shot itself in the foot. They didn't animate the rest of that fight, and more or less the only thing that stayed faithful from the novels is Squall telling Madoka to leave.

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>>13474958
>That's where Season 2 shot itself in the foot
Really? Just that, huh?

It's pretty clear that the actual purpose of that scene was to fill in for the American military base infiltration, since it featured the pilot of Gospel that they'd cut for some reason despite her already minimal presence, so they had to cook something up short notice.

It's hardly the worst thing to come out of the original content for S2 anyway.

Remember Ichika's birthday in the novels? How it was a low key, stand around and talk affair? Gosh that would have been nice.

>>13475055
Wasn't that part/episode the one where Yumizuru Izuru himself heavily involved?

>>13475068
Beats me. It doesn't really matter, since he's just as capable of being a lazy hack as any other writer. It's easily the worst part of either season.

>>13475055

Sorry about that. A little sleep-deprived when I wrote that.

>>13477744
Eh? Sorry about what?

>>13480121

For >>13474958.

>>13463990
It's funny because he used to be really bad with asses

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>>13480164
Well, I don't know why. It did shoot itself in the foot with that scene, and the bit with Squall was the only thing retained. It's just that it's one of many things they did wrong in S2 of which, IMO, the birthday episode was easily the worst.

You know one thing they didn't do wrong though (oddly enough)? The Char episode. Put aside the asinine humour plot and you actually had some fairly solid characterisation for her and to a lesser extent Ichika, if you knew where to look. It certainly had much more character substance than 'Silly Cecelia, don't you know you don't cook live chickens?'.

>>13481289
>the Char episode
It doesn't really do anything to add about her, just reinforcing the fact that she lived her whole life under her mother's wing that she's just a doormat who'd go with a retarded scheme by a complete stranger who just happens to be the guy whom knocked up her mom and was nowhere in her life until Ichika came to her life.

Can we get something else for Charlotte? That has been rehashed again and again for the drama CDs while the others are given some more facets to them. Rin has her realization that she doesn't really know Ichika that well in her drama CD and, along with Houki, gets to see how she'll accept the fact that Ichika might not choose her in Tatenashi's drama CD. Cecilia and Laura were shown not to take advantage of the situation that was plotted for their sake in the Seven Girls war drama CD. Kanzashi has her moments pondering on her disadvantage (being late to the game and being in a different class) and getting her first with Ichika.

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>>13481794
It added that she had the closest thing anyone in the series had to a good relationship with at least one parent. It also featured her having sudden attack of common sense and *not* acting like a harem cliché for a moment. That and the fact that Chifuyu seems to consider her the only one that wouldn't go bugfuck nuts about Ichika's situation.

It's been a while since I listened to it, but I recall her drama CD being largely about her and Ichika bonding over their shared interest in cookery.

Plus this gem.

>>13481843
>she had the closest thing anyone in the series had to a good relationship with at least one parent
We don't know Houki was with her parents. Same thing with the Sarashiki sisters. Cecilia looked up to her mom and doesn't like how wimpy her father is (not sure if it counts as good relationship though) before their eventual death. Laura has no parents.

Rin had her parents divorced but, seeing that she was kinda unsure about her father, it could be surmised that she get along with them both (especially in the 4koma).


>*not* acting like a harem cliché for a moment
Anyone getting the focus of the drama CD is treated like that. Rin is even nurse Ichika back to health and was shown more worried than getting uptight that they won't be going on a date anymore.

Cecilia being a nice friend/confidante/rival towards Kanzashi in the latter's drama CD while in that same drama CD we had Charlotte complaining to herself that she didn't get to be alone with Ichika.

tl;dr - All girls have merits to them. Don't let your loyalty to one of them blind you.

>Chifuyu seems to consider her the only one that wouldn't go bugfuck nuts about Ichika's situation
She did the same thing with Rin in Rin's drama CD. Chifuyu even shook her head in disbelief when Ichika didn't get a clue on how Rin wanted really to hang out.

Would IS Academy be located off Osaka, given that there's a mention of "Castle Park," which might pertain to Osaka Castle Park (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osaka_Castle_Park)? From this excerpt of the light novels (Volume 4, Chapter 2):

"Ah yes. Let's go to the park opposite."

"The park?"

"Mn. The Castle Park. It was formerly a fortress."

"Oh, that's interesting. I heard that Japanese fortresses were hard to break through. Even though they're just remains of a fortress, there's value in seeing this."

Laura still viewed this from a military perspective, but Charlotte couldn't say anything with regards to that. Everyone had their own feelings, people had to observe, understand and not force things on each other.

Source: https://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=IS:Volume4_Chapter2

>>13484568
Probably. It's located offshore of some city in Japan, anyway.

>>13485471

Thanks

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>>13455913
>>Incidentally, I feel obligated to point out that novel Ichika is a different beast, for a book or two. It makes the novels more enjoyable after watching the show because of how much better he is.

That reminds me of Shidou (Date-a-Live) a lot. Good to know, I really need to check those novels sooner rather than later.

>>13453376
>>IS has a great setting only to be squandered on recycled harem hijinks.

This happens in a lot of places and not just on harems unfortunately.

>>13487251
>This happens in a lot of places and not just on harems unfortunately.
I think that's a result of the shitty systems the Japanese media companies use. They just love shitting out things without fully developing them or making them designed to be franchised properly.

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>>13443826
...I never thought of it that way.

>>13443797
With anthrax

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>>13465015
>>13465249

Can you tell us a bit more about this?

If there are only 467 Infinite Stratos cores in the world as of the beginning of the story, are mass-produced IS suits like Rafael Revives and Uchiganes counted?

>>13492616

No, they draw from the same pool of extant IS cores. It's just that only the MCs get custom suits.

Has Ichika gotten his mid-season upgrade yet?
Also can anyone summarize what happened in Season 2?

>>13443797
IS is legitimately trash, even as a harem fan. If you insist, only watch S1, S2 is simply dreadful unwatchable shit.

>>13492677

So basically making more Uchiganes or Rafael Revives does not violate the Alaska Treaty?

>>13492838

Isn't Byakushiki's Second Shift his Mid-Season Upgrade (particle cannon and claw being extra weapons)?

Post lewd webms pl0s

>>13492616
If there are only 467 Infinite Stratos cores in the world as of the beginning of the story, are mass-produced IS suits like Rafael Revives and Uchiganes counted?
Yes.
>>13493050
>So basically making more Uchiganes or Rafael Revives does not violate the Alaska Treaty?
No, he said that all ISs use extant cores, with the exception of those produced in secret by Tabane, who as the original source can make as many as she likes for her own purposes

Uchigane and Rafale Revive frames are less impressive not because they're mass produced, but because they're older models, 2nd gen. The custom ones used by most of the cast are early 3rd gen testing platforms for new technology, with a view to making their features more common once they work out the kinks.

>>13494039

Okay, but what about hypothetically if a Personal IS gets wrecked, and that you can arm an Uchigane or Rafael Revive with equipment from said wrecked Personal IS? Legal or not?

>>13495043
Probably, although I'd imagine the Uchigane or Revive wouldn't be able to handle all the gear well.

>>13495132

Thanks. Also, what do you think of this fanfic:

https://www.fanfiction.net/s/9234446/2/Senjou-no-Kodoku-na-Shounen

>>13443797
Don't. 1st Season was enjoyable. 2nd Season was udder trash.

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>>13490794
Not much to tell when there are only 3 volumes out. And only two have been scanned.

It already has a figure out though thanks to the artist. Too bad I can't tell if this is a good figure or not.

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>>13496593
>>Not much to tell when there are only 3 volumes out. And only two have been scanned.

That explains why I have hear little to nothing about this one. Thanks for the info.

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>>13496662
He is a swordsman who uses a power armor to stand up to mecha musume magical girls. He can combine with some of the girls to give his power armor a new form. Fire girl combination gives him a fire mode. Water/Ice girl gives him an Ice mode.
Right now he is in the middle of recruiting two more girls into his Harem one of which is an Electric girl.
Considering the title is Emperor of Sword and Seven Lady Knights, well it tells you how many harem members there will be. Maybe one or two more.

>>13496006
It's of a higher quality than most fics on FFN, but holy shit, the description porn in the first few paragraphs is terrible and really disrupts the flow of the story.

>>13497177
Also, now that I skimmed through a few chapters, he fucking sucks at writing prose. It's more like a script than an actual story.

Compare him to this guy, who at least gets how to do prose:
https://forums.spacebattles.com/posts/12102878/

>>13497177
>>13497187

Thank you for your opinions on it.

Anyways, to avoid de-railing this thread, here's another question about the lore of the series, despite the invention of the IS suits in warfare, is combined arms tactics still a thing, per Laura's thoughts from this excerpt in the light novels (Volume 4, Chapter 2):

(IS are the most powerful and incomparable force in the world. However, a war can't be decided with just one person's battle ability. In troop fighting in the streets, we have to deploy our defensive line as troops.)

If they could level this entire street into wasteland, the IS would be useful.

(--While taking down the entire city, if we can consider using large transport aircraft to bombard this place, we need some anti-air weapons that can be mobilized independently. Also, it's best if we can supply the troops with some anti-air missiles. Javelin and Starstreak missiles can be used to attack vehicles. And most important--)

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>>13489619
I always loved the BattleTech/IS crossover nonsense. It infuriated oldbeards and weeaboos alike.

Let's see if I can find the "Hansel Davion, Inner Sphere Magical Girl Princess" copypasta somewhere. Do post if you find it.

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>>13496731
Here is electricity girl by the way.

>>13497239
>is combined arms tactics still a thing
Probably, sort of like in Heavy Object, where it's relegated to actually holding territory/support duties while the OP death machines blast through whatever garrison forces are at a target and battle each other.

>>13446076
>The LNs had promise at first, but the author started phoning it in after a while

As in he only just kept the writing to harem shenanigans because that what was selling, right?

>>13497328
He may be kind of a shit and have all the personality of your average brick, but at least he has good taste in women.

>>13480236
When a man loves asses, he will inevitably improve on drawing them.

>>13497177
>>13497187

If you are interested, there's a Q and A thread started by the author of the fanfic. It's at >>13497636. If you want to discuss anything about the fanfic, inquire there.

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Mecha suits that only girls can use and the one guy that can. That I can buy BUT there are some major problems with the world building. This wasn't evident till second season where we know more about the three outlying characters that are the school for tech learning, programming and whatnot. Let me get this straight, you're telling me this school is only for "girls who can use these mecha suits" but some don't use these suits and are taking locational education for said mecha suits. Only little girls can know how to make IS ,robotics, know the workings on particle beam cannons, beamsabres, missiles, computer programming and et cetera ? I pretty sure guys would LOVE to go this school. "What, I get to work on robots AND meet cute girls? Sign me up!" Then maybe all the girls at the school wouldn't be acting like a bunch of cats in heat with only one guy around. Yeah, IS is terrible but I'll watch the new season when it airs.

P.S. Charlotta is best girl.

>>13497558
Probably.

>>13497669
>Let me get this straight, you're telling me this school is only for "girls who can use these mecha suits" but some don't use these suits and are taking locational education for said mecha suits. Only little girls can know how to make IS ,robotics, know the workings on particle beam cannons, beamsabres, missiles, computer programming and et cetera ? I pretty sure guys would LOVE to go this school. "What, I get to work on robots AND meet cute girls? Sign me up!"
To be fair, I'd set up a boys only school for the IS maintenance stuff, because mixing teenage boys and girls in a boarding school on an island is a recipe for teen pregnancies unless you spike the water or inject everyone with birth control.

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>>13497744
Feels more like a college than a boarding school but yes on separate housing. You don't want to have a guy living in the same hall as females, right. You'd be surprise how many females are on birth-control nowadays. The problem with a lot of anime where the main characters are 14 year olds, they are not old enough for half of what they go through. Wouldn't be too much of a problem if they were aged up to around 18yo. .

>>13495043
You could probably gut the frame and transplant the core into a new unit. That was pretty much what happened with Byakushiki, which has the core that was originally installed in White Knight.

>>13497803
Bear in mind though, Japanese high schoolers are around ages 16-18. I think series revolving around middle schoolers are actually quite a bit less common, only Accel World springs to mind off the top of my head.

>>13496006
>>13497177
>>13497177
Why is so much IS fanfiction either special snowflake self insert male IS pilots/American special forces or way OOC to the point where they might as well not even bother? Scrolling down the page and it's almost all the fucking same. It's completely disproportionate, not even tween appeal series have it this bad.

I've read about 2 that were halfway decent.
This one had slightly awkward writing but was actually focussed on the canon characters and was decent enough until it went way off the rails, and was about a more neurotic, traumatised and paranoid Ichika:
https://www.fanfiction.net/s/8235325/2/Ichika-s-Trust

And there was one entirely about OCs, but competently written and actually considered the implications of the setting, re an anti IS group for who mostly die horribly the minute they actually encounter one. upon looking it seems to have been pulled down though.

If anyone knows any fics that don't suck, I'd appreciate them. I want to read IS stuff by a competent writer, and Yuuki Homura only updates so fast.

>>13498142
>Why is so much IS fanfiction either special snowflake self insert male IS pilots/American special forces or way OOC to the point where they might as well not even bother?
Because the anime (the most visible version of the franchise), makes the main character one of the blandest pieces of cardboard ever. And since the light novel translations are fairly obscure and don't read well, it's not surprising that most people who think "I could do better than the IS author" don't really dive into the nitty-gritty of the existing characters.

It also doesn't help that IS's story setup makes it super hard to do anything interesting plotwise with the canon characters and the worldbuilding is barely existent, so you can't really come up with good sidestory ideas. This is a pretty common problem with modern Japanese franchises. especially long running, serialized stuff.

Ironically, something like Monster Musume is a better IP for spawning fanfic, because you could just do the premise with a new cast in a new area and get a different story, because its story is pretty episodic.

>>13498501
>Because the anime (the most visible version of the franchise), makes the main character one of the blandest pieces of cardboard ever. And since the light novel translations are fairly obscure and don't read well, it's not surprising that most people who think "I could do better than the IS author" don't really dive into the nitty-gritty of the existing characters.
This sounds good, but I'mnot so sure. After watching the first season I was constantly thinking back to it and wondering why it bothered me so much, so I sat down to try and figure it out and what I came up with about the characters was pretty close to what I had after consuming all the other media that I could find. I noticed something or other that seemed out of place, so I pulled on that thread till it unravelled. It is definitely in the anime, you just have to reach a bit for it. Which I suppose is the real problem; nobody is going to try and analyse a cookie cutter harem anime, and those that unambiguously enjoy IS aren't exactly there for deep character moments and story.

>>13498142
The Yuuki Homura manga is released every month on the Sunday GX magazine, but the scanlation team that translates it prefers to buy the uncensored tanks, which is released every 6 months.

>>13498671
Yeah, sorry what I meant to say was that the YH translation only updates so fast.

Still though, I'm a little apprehensive of how much longer he can keep his streak, with how steadily the source material descends and goes nowhere. What can even he do to salvage it?

>>13498707
Not to stick to it and just change accordingly to have the story move smoothly.

He already changed how Cecilia's match with Ichika turned out and there are already some internal monologue/thoughts added to show her descent before her eventual training arc to learn the Bending Lasers technique.

However, I just hope that he won't be hampered by executive meddling. Bibi/AirxGra was great in his doujins but the first chapter of the Laura made me feel like it's just going to be a stupid spin-off like Sugar & Honey because of too much Ichika.

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>>13500614
I quite like the changes, Ichika has some snarky monologues, and the girls are less violent.
For example, Ichika doesn't get beat up when Laura kissed him, and Cecilia doesn't punch him during the oiling scene in the beach arc.

>>13501195
Good to see that Yuuki Homura's dialing down the violence. Some of it, when viewed outside of a used harem hijinks gag, are just sudden abuse on an innocent Ichika. Too bad, I didn't have the gender-flipped version screenshot/image that shows how hard the life of fem-Ichika is.

Seems like you're quite updated on the manga. Just a question, any appearance or mention of Tatenashi yet? If there's one thing that really needs fixing, it's her appearance doesn't match up well with how she's hype up to be. We have this all-powerful *actual* Cadet Representative WITH her own personal IS unit and yet she's been absent for all this past incidents that could've killed a bunch rookies if they weren't so lucky (doubly so for Ichika during the Silver Gospel incident).

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>>13501273
> didn't have the gender-flipped version screenshot/image that shows how hard the life of fem-Ichika is.
Here

How he handles Tatenashi is going to be paramount, I think. The way she's treated by the narrative is completely divorced from how she actually acts.

Related to that is the fact that she's compeltely overhyped. She's been worfed in every single IS fight except her first, and she still got the shit kicked out of her in that.

>>13443797
It sold average 37k so it's better than gundam surely.

>>13501273
The latest chapter is the beach arc, but there hasn't been any signs of Tatenashi, or at least not that I'm aware of.
Kanzashi's name appeared in chapter 7, pg13, so at least she's not completely out of the blue.

>>13501314
>Kanzashi's name appeared in chapter 7, pg13
That's during the class match between Ichika and Rin, right? S1 did the same thing.

I recall Ichika also mentions about the Japanese Cadet Representative (reference to Kanzashi) when he was reflecting after his training with Charles.

Still, with no mentions Tatenashi, huh. In the LN, she's hype like some sort of Vegeta or even Frieza levels of strong and yet her presence is more like Yamcha's. Sure, she could handle Laura (beat Cecilia and Rin while Charl and Ichika had to team up to take her down) but it doesn't justify (or at least feel enough) the accolades people credit to her.

>>13501309
>The way she's treated by the narrative is completely divorced from how she actually acts.
I'm actually wishing that, except for her being an actual Representative of Russia, everything else was just self-proclaimed or exaggerated. The way Chifuyu refers to Tatenashi as the school's strongest at the end of the Seven Girls War was very sarcastic. Like every feat of hers before was just a product of luck. Putting on a great face so that her little sister won't

I mean, Ichika somehow beat Maya in the entrance exams (more likely that Maya was surprised that she's fighting a *guy* that she knocked herself out) and she easily beat Cecilia and Rin together (the two people who are wiping his ass during their training session).

>>13501371
>Ichika somehow beat Maya in the entrance exams
I believe Ichika freely admitted to that one being a lucky fluke. I think it might have been Maya having a sudden attack of clumsiness, though I don't remember.

Actually, now that I think on it, I really hope he resolves the Kanzashi arc better, because the way it ended in the novel/anime was 'just let your loving older sister baby you and do everything for you because she's just that much better', which was fucked up considering the entire point of her story.

>>13501312
How much did season 2 sell?

>>13502514
I heard it did worse than S1, but that was years ago.

>>13501371
>>13501396

In regards to that, how did Ichika realize it was Maya he fought back in Aoetsu Private School (name of the school Ichika wanted to apply for in the Light Novels BTW)?

>>13504295
I think it's more like he recognized her on their second encounter. Knowing Ichika, he probably went after Maya after she crashed/fumbled during their fight and checked on her.

>>13497607
Pretty much. God bless NiΘ.

>>13501195
does someone have the link to where this picture or chapter is from?

>>13443797
Best way to enjoy series is pretend Ichika doesn't exist. It then becomes the courtship of Charlotte and Laura.

>>13504370
That's from chapter 20.
But no, there aren't any links to any of the raw scans over chapter 11. So unfortunately, you'll have to wait until Rapidswitch translates it.

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I'm still amazed such a nice IS thread just happened.

I thought that all we could do was a "The Best IS art you have" threads these days.

>>13506797

I'm surprised too.

>>13506797
I neglected to shitpost in this thread, because I hate the series, but I have nothing better to say than that.

>>13506797
We've had good threads before. There was one some months ago that had some good discussion about novel Ichika.

>>13506797
It's almost as if most of the backlash against the show was memes and trolling or something.

>>13507876
And 2009-era /m/ being super salty about anything that wasn't conventional mecha anime.

Although the IS reverse troll really poisoned the well, sort of like the Valvrave reverse troll.

>infinite shit has more discussion than actual good shows
fuck you /m/

>>13508105
That's a result of having a huge gap between the potential of the premise and characters and the actual execution of those elements.

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>>13508208

Thats a bizzare gap to have.

>>13497298
>>>/tg/43658177

>>13508086
IS was really 5 years ago?

>>13508690
I think season 1 was. I only remember that because IS S1 took place in my second (IIRC) college semester, when I read American Psycho for a class.

I can't remember if the first IS thread I saw on /m/, which got CP spammed, happened in winter 2009 or before that.

>>13508086
And now /m/ is salty about all mecha anime. But I do think tolerating the SW trolling, and the IS trolling, opened the way to the VVV trolling where they tried to kick an actually mecha show off the board, which lead to the G-Reco trolling.

>>13508757
God that was so pathetic. They kept trying to back seat mod /m/ by reporting threads they didn't like for CP, since 4chan at the time automatically deleted threads once they got enough illegal reports. Not just IS, but Muv Luv threads, and even a fucking Wall-E thread. When moot and co fixed the loop hole, the fucker got so mad he spammed the thread with cp.

>>13508460
It's actually fairly common. Having great ideas is easy, following up on them is hard.

>>13508869
I don't think he thought things through.
He probably originally wrote it for fun and to pass the time, but didn't expect IS to become so popular, so now he's stuck with a series he doesn't know how to write.
So that's why he's sticking to romcom, because that's the only thing he has experience in writing.
Well, volume 10 seemed interesting though.

>>13509723
>didn't expect IS to become so popular
See >>13467199

His first book was released on May 25, 2009 and the follow-ups had a regular release after two to three months intervals. Assuming that the usual six months between his work got pick up to become an anime and the airing of the first episodes, he already released five volumes.

Do remember that his hiatus started after S1 ended.

Here's what I don't get about the Alaska Treaty's purpose and its relation to how IS suits are stronger than most weapons: Personal ISes are understandable, but how exactly are mass-produced ones like Uchiganes and Rafael Revives wunderwaffen? I mean, can one pilot in an Uchigane do what Chifuyu in the White Knight did?

>>13510012
With a trained pilot and against a base full of conventional forces? Maybe/probably. It depends on how wanked out the shields, ammo supply, and power are on the military frames.

If military versions of MP IS are anywhere near as absurdly overpowered as the Silveor Gospel (which would probably annihilate multiple armies and fleets before it could be destroyed), then they live up to the hype.

>>13510054

So basically, even a fight between one MP IS and a tank platoon is that of attrition, like how back in World War II, it took like five M4 Shermans to take on a Tiger II and win?

>>13502514
17 k it's not even the half of 1st season but still huge. And the OVAs also very succesfull.

Their OVA state to be sell at this number +-33547

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>>13443797
Read the LN. Do it for Char.

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>>13510012
>how exactly are mass-produced ones like Uchiganes and Rafael Revives wunderwaffen
Because they still defy gravity to fly freely and can carry whatever heavy firepower you want to install in their vacant bus slots, and have shielding that makes them extremely resilient on top of already being hard to hit. If the pilot knows what they're doing (the schoolkids don't).

>can one pilot in an Uchigane do what Chifuyu in the White Knight did?
Well no, because Chifuyu is a superhuman monster that neatly outclasses everything else in the series thus far.

>>13510197
Not really. That would imply any chance of success on the part of the tank platoon against a target with the speed and aerial manoeuvrability of a jet fighter.

A better comparison to make is that an IS is basically a miniature NEXT.