>No Gunpod Dropped.

Are you blind? It's got a gunpod on each arm, anon.

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>>13426246
They look more like mounted beam cannons.

Handheld gunpods have always been iconic in protagonists VFs. The lack of one just makes a VF feel empty if it doesn't have something else to compensate. The fact that the battroid mode just looks like VF-25 with minor differences doesn't help.

I'm not digging the new VF. Feels more like a fan creation based on the VF-25 than the next step, much like the Chronos.

Actually, there have been a fan creations that I thought looked better than this, at least as far as far as VF-25 wannabes go.

>>13426293
So basically your point is that it's too much like the 25 but also should be more like it?

>>13426293
I'm certain they'll give them something to hold, when they reveal that they gave tomahawks and other things to VFs

>>13426316
> tomahawks
Like Getter tomahawk or cruise missile tomahawk?

You know the VF-4 doesn't have a gunpod either right? And this new VF is just an updated version of the Chronos. It's even called Siegfried after Leon's callsign.

>>13426326
An axe, so the former. Also, congratulations on being the first anon to point out the double meaning of my shitty joke

>>13426202
>no antennae
Huh.

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>>13426349
It still has one.

>>13426366
Okay, I see it now.

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>>13426314
No, I'm saying that if Kawamori was just going to use the VF-25 as a base for everything at this point, he shouldn't be subtracting content from the design to do so, even in exchange for other weapons. Durandal didn't, and even though it was a bit busy-looking, it definitely was a complete-looking, solid design.

>>13426428
>>13426293
Ah, New Horizon. I forgot that site existed. Even though they're crudely drawn in MS Paint, the designs themselves aren't half-bad.

>>13426428
Bandai demanded the VF-25 base.

>>13426428
>>13426465
I don't understand though, it's nothing like a VF-25. The transformation is completely different, really the only similar bit is the upper torso. If anything the proportions in battroid look closer to the 171 than the 25.

>>13426366
I'm imagining this thing trying to open a bulkhead and realizing that his gun pods make his hands almost useless

>>13426510
It's a YF-30 with forwards-swept wings and a different chest.

>>13426516
They flip around for fighter mode.
>>13426520
Which, again, was nothing like the 24 based airframes. I wish we could get a side view to see if it looks as godawful, the way the nose cone and back look I have hopes the cockpit portion might not be quite the same.

>>13426516
They're probably retractable. Let's just hope that the Drakens have a better Battroid form.

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>>13426516
They can flip around when not in use.

>>13426202
A slightly modified VF-19? I was expecting a little more than that, Kawamori san...

The 31 is probably going to be the mass produced cannon-fodder valk, so it makes sense that it's an evolutionary design.
The 262 is going to be the super-special prototype fighter.

>>13426564
Slightly modified YF-30 actually.

>>13426558
>They can flip around when not in use.
Gun tonfas. Cool.

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>>13426592
gunfas

>>13426584
>Shinsei/LAI ever losing design competitions
>Shinsei/LAI ever pumping out anything but hero valks
>General Galaxy ever pumping out anything but antagonist valks
I know that Shinsei's valks are the ones most frequently mass produced and in greater numbers, but they're usually the hero's valk which means they're usually the ones that end whatever conflict is going on in a particular series.

I mean, even if Galaxy valks are generally higher spec'd...they all get limited production runs and/or get turned into super special covert forces valks. Why even compete against Shinsei/LAI if you almost always get a secret contract for special forces for the valk you're making? I guess you can say they're always ahead of their time, but a lot of the extra features on their valks are specifically what make them ineligible for mass production in the first place.

Oddly, Macross 30 showed us that there was a special forces YF-29B (Shinsei) and Frontier showed us that NUNS was incredibly cheap when they decided to haphazardly throw together the crappy cannon fodder VF-171(Galaxy) for mass production.

I want to go out on a limb and say that GG went out of business after the Frontier fiasco considering they were (unintentionally or not) backing the cyber cabal. So that's my guess as to why they went back to the Sv moniker. However the Draken III SCREAMS GG design elements, so who knows.

>>13426686
Maybe some former General Galaxy engineers reformed into a new company.

I'm not sure what we expected. Considering what was just released, it doesn't look like much to look forwards to.

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>>13426539
Not exactly side view, but close enough.

>>13426727
Dem panel lines
I sure hope this doesn't sell out in 3 seconds like the 19Adv.

>>13426756
It's a bandai toy of the lead valkyrie from a new Macross. Of course it's going to sell out in 3 seconds again.

>>13426727
There is no god apparently, this looks awful. I'm not very impressed with this one in any mode. At least the Draken is looking sexy so far, hopefully it has a nice transformation.

>>13426794
>a design looks bad from an awkward angle
wow shocker

>>13426802
It doesn't look that great from any angle quite frankly, the legs are so fucking long in comparison to the tiny torso which is really disappointing because they look cool otherwise.

>>13426808
I like the Battroid from the front. It's the most Armored Core-looking valkyrie yet.

>>13426676
I can't say I like it: the torso is too long and straight, and the arms too thin. They look like twigs.

>>13426706
>Maybe some former General Galaxy engineers reformed into a new company.
I'd like to hear something about that honestly.

Also, its time for the question we all want answered:

Artdink Vita game when?

>>13426727
Kawamori doesn't even care anymore. He just wants to make Love Live shit or whatever his favorite idol game is called.

>>13426863
>Kawamori doesn't even care anymore.
Is this the birth of a new epic meme?

>>13426808
>It doesn't look that great from any angle quite frankly, the legs are so fucking long in comparison to the tiny torso
>>13426824
>I can't say I like it: the torso is too long and straight
WHICH IS IT?! TOO LONG OR TOO SHORT?

>>13426872
No, he's right. Kawamori's kind of like Kojima and Tomino in that he's kind of at his best when he has someone over him to tell him his shit's all retarded. While his characters are good, his ability to weave a story is too heavily reliant on a bad habit of his, in this case; his fetish for idols. The faggot won't even try other genres of music unless somebody tells him to.

His best strength is in mechanical design. I don't think he's ever made a mecha I didn't like.

Very interested in the Draken IIIs transformation and mechanics even though the pilots look like the gayest group in the history of the world.

>>13426686
Boo, I like GG if only for making the VF-17. It's a shame to see them shat upon like that.

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>>13426900
This. Macross was at it's best when it was about culture and the profound effect it has on alien life forms that had no exposure to such concepts, and the music was the vehicle for expressing that theme. Nowadays, the theme is still intact, but the music element has become the star of the show, to the point where it gets more and more commercialized and soulless in each entry. I can't really speak for Delta yet, but from the looks of things, it's the worst offender yet, with not one or two idols, but two idol GROUPS specifically tailored to two separate audiences for mass appeal.

Part of me wants to blame market trends and Japan's laughably bad taste in storytelling tropes and their terrible modern pop culture that, and I hate to use this god awful word, objectifies people far more ridiculously than any other culture could hope to, but deep down, I know Kawamori's just as immersed in that bullshit as his target audience.

I think that's why I can't being myself to hate Macross Zero. The quality of the show itself was meh, but it felt independent of marketability and didn't faff the fuck about when it told it's story. It had a narrative to get across and didn't let anything get in it's way.

>>13427045
I just watched the first episode and Zero really didn't seem that bad. Why do people hate it? Does it get worse later on or is it just because of the general dislike around these parts of CGI?

>>13426955
Never seen Shounen Hollywood? these guys don't even come close

>>13426428
looks like shit.

>>13426900
>His best strength is in mechanical design. I don't think he's ever made a mecha I didn't like.
That's pretty much my opinion in a nutshell. I first got into Kawamori with Armored Core, enjoyed Eureka Seven, then enjoyed Macross. It wasn't until Frontier's run that I learned they all had the same mechanical designer.

When I found out that they were all done by the same guy, mind = blown.

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>>13427121
He did GP01, GP01FB, and Gp02A as well.

Well, there's a part on the back of the fighter mode that should be like the weapons container of the YF-30.
Maybe it can be detached and used as a gunpod.

>>13427045

> Part of me wants to blame market trends and Japan's laughably bad taste in storytelling tropes and their terrible modern pop culture that, and I hate to use this god awful word, objectifies people far more ridiculously than any other culture could hope to

If you live in America, Europe or Australia, and the chances are, you do - then you have no right to be talking, because all of our taste in storytelling when examining broad trends contains just as much shit and our worship of celebrity incites just as much objectification. It does it in different ways, but it still does it regardless.

>>13427239
It's a Valk-sized guitar, calling it now.

>>13427045
>but two idol GROUPS specifically tailored to two separate audiences for mass appeal.
There's only one idol group. I don't know where you got two from.

>>13427209
He also contributed to the designs of the toys became Optimus Prime, Ironhide, and Prowl of the Transformers, and later designed Hybrid Style Convoy and Masterpiece Starscream.

>>13426202
Does the concept of stealth not exist in macross? Does macross have an equivalent to minosky particles or something?

>>13427326
>stealth
>when you're going fast and dropping 15 missiles on every enemy

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>>13427326
All Valkyries have an active stealth system or a passive stealth system in the case of the VF-17.
>Active Stealth
>A type of stealth technology that directly interacts with the electromagnetic radiation of radar/cross-dimensional radar to avoid detection. Active stealth systems can be built on any type of variable fighter and do not require the variable fighter to be shaped in any specific manner like passive stealth. The first variable fighters featuring an active stealth system were the VF-0 and SV-51 deployed in 2008.

>Passive stealth
>The technology that uses passive techniques to protect a vehicle against detection via radar. Passive stealth systems can employ radar absorbent materials on the hull of a vehicle or the hull can be shaped in such a way that it reflects radar signals away from the radar return detectors (aka Low-Observability). The VF-17 Nightmare is an example of a variable fighter designed for passive stealth.

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>>13427332
>When you are going fast

Missiles will always be faster and more maneuverable than jets, this is the physical reality we live in. Even the SR-71 was vulnerable to SAMs let alone air-to-air missiles.

>>13427335
That mostly answers my question, but I still wonder why some planes employed Low-Observability like the VF-17 so heavily and then the planes that came after it completely disregard it.

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>>13427355
The VF-17 was specifically designed for special forces operations so that may be the reason why.

>>13427355
The SR-71 could outrun SAMs though.

>>13427239
>>13427257
Well, it turned into dual laser cannon in the trailer it seems. When it was silhouetted against the sun.

>>13427355
But when you're a pilot in Macross, you have the ability to play keep away with missiles while you shoot them down.

And the SR-71 can outrun SAMs.

>>13427377
>>13427966
Wasn't the protocol for the SR-71 to simply "accelerate" when they were shot at by missiles?

>>13428020

Different times. Today you have SAM's that exceed mach 6.

>>13428035
what if the next stage of missle dodging, is to shoot missles at missles?
i mean, we already have our navy using those automated miniguns to shoot shot missles, why not take the next step and use missle-to-missle missles?

>>13428020
Yes. But that's because it was fast and missiles weren't (by comparison). We have MANPADs now that go faster than the Blackbird ever did.

>>13428040
Because lasers are better.
And once you have anti-missile lasers, you're not far from anti-air lasers.
And once you have anti-air lasers, you don't have aircraft anymore.

>>13428040
I think it would be more pertinent to have a rear facing gun that shoots rapidfire explosive rounds or something to blow up missiles early. Yes I know just having a laser would be better.

>>13428059
Such is the sad reality of our world.

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>>13427253
Absolutely true, but I'm ragging on Japan's pop culture because of how obsessive they get about their celebrities, idols in particular.

In becoming a celebrity in the west, you sacrifice a level of privacy and you have to keep up appearances in public and be careful about what you say. It's bad, but manageable in most cases unless you actively court trouble like Bieber or Miley. Even if you fuck up, a simple public apology can usually solve or at least mitigate the problem. Or your like Jeremy Renner, and you're mostly immune to it because you don't give a shit and the people you "offend" just have to deal with it. Either way, you're entirely correct in your statement that celebrity worship is a shallow trend in society, and I imagine it makes being a celebrity a colossal pain in the ass.

In Japan, however, being an idol is ten times worse. A simple date with a random boy can absolutely demolish your career simply because obsessive fans will lose their minds over it. You can no longer be the object of people's fantasies. That's why I used the word "objectification," because Japanese idol culture is far, far more literal in that sense than the common interpretation of the term. It's disquieting when you consider how creepy idol culture can get. It's part of why I dislike the increasing level of music idol worship in Macross lately; it's glorifying that trend. Sure, the original Macross touched upon it with Minmay, but it was all on the level, and there wasn't half an episode dedicated to getting back her unwashed panties from a bunch of horny schoolboys. She was a vehicle for the show's theme, and a love interest for the main protagonist, not a caricature meant to sell pop music and inspire lewds.

>>13428059
what if there were lasers that shot down other lasers?
i know it sounds stupid, but could it be possible to make some form of energy weapon miss by using another energy weapon to misdirect or dissipate it?

>>13428084
You can't shoot light out of the sky with light.

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>>13428059
>>13428084

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>>13428059
What if we had aircraft with lasers?

>>13428067
It's not sad. Once the sky is free of planes, there are no missiles to harass our tanks. Mechs immediately become a thousand times more viable, if still impractical.

And then once we develop anti-mech and anti-tank lasers, all we're left with is burrowing tanks/mechs and underwater vehicles.
I think we can all agree that digging tanks are way more badass than fucking planes firing missiles at shit from 5 miles away and going home.

>>13428068
And, you know, her music wasn't the most important thing ever, ALL of our culture helped, music was just one of those things... then DYRL happens.

>>13428129
You're forgetting space based weaponry at least.

>>13428035
>mach 6
In Macross, VFs can hit that speed and play keep away.

>>13428129
>>13428145
You're forgetting infantry carried weaponry at least.

>>13428084
If you're talking about an energy weapon that utilizes charged particles, like an electron beam, it would be possible to interact with that using particles of an opposite charge or a field that scatters the electron beam's cohesion, like with a powerful magnet. But photons aren't charged. Photons moving through a medium can charge other particles, but they themselves remain uncharged.

The only way you stop a laser is by being far enough away that the atmosphere scatters it sufficiently, or throwing something solid up in front of it. Clouds of particles are not as effective as a solid mass, either, so we can kiss that potential defense gone. You either kill the enemy laser's optics first or have enough armor that it can't stop you before you do what it is you want to do.

"Enough armor" is not really going to be something you can put on a plane, either. The stuff that stops lasers the best is heavy and expensive and not useful against other weapons. Mirror coatings are right out as well, they just won't work period. Spinning and pitching around like a crazy person is also not going to do much, because the laser and its computerized fire control system should be able to track everything just fine, and weaponized lasers don't so much "heat things until they melt" as they do "explode individual layers of material one at a time". They are drills. Laser drills.

Don't let a laser see you is the big take-away here.

>>13428153
>Play keep away
Apparently they can leave the atmosphere to escape a planet-destroying bomb, reaching escape velocity and beyond effortlessly.

>>13428166
so stealthier planes is the answer?

>>13428166
I read a sci-fi recently where the drives on fighters generated short, rapid gravitational waves that caused lasers to be scattered across the surface of the waves and be redirected. Their goal was basically "fly past lasers' ability to turn, turn off drive, then bomb". Was pretty cool I thought. The gravity tech wasn't very upscalable though, which was why they didn't use it on bigger shits.

>>13428145
Well, we already have anti-satellite weaponry. The US developed the 1MW MIRACL in the 80s and successfully hit a satellite from the ground in the mid 90s. The technology was then quietly shelved (haha, yeah right) after international outcry. China and a few other countries have also recently tested their own anti-satellite lasers on space objects (including a US spy satellite), temporarily blinding them. For the longest time, the US has said it was not developing ASAT weaponry, because that's about as scary to other nations as nukes are (goodbye, global communications system) but they've gone on record now as pursuing it in light of other nations' activities. It should also be obvious that every moment they said "we're not trying to make anti-satellite lasers" in the past was a lie.

Having an anti-satellite 1MW laser in the 80s and 90s rather makes the current weaponized laser system, the 30kW LaWS (a naval CIWS supplement/replacement for destroying mortars, drones, and light watercraft) look quaint, doesn't it? 1MW = 1,000kW. Who even knows what actually exists, but simply isn't being shown off. So future satellite weapons are going to get blasted out of space right off, and possibly even before they get there. Not a huge concern.

>>13428159
I don't know why anyone would want to be a footsoldier in a world with anti-tank and anti-aircraft and anti-satellite lasers. All of those can be scaled down to kill a man, and will do so much faster than they will ever kill a vehicle, because humans are fleshy and weak. The moment you're within line of sight, even kilometers away, a computer recognizes you and goes zap-zap-zap-zap-zap; you and four of your operator buddies are dead in a second, your chests having been thermally drilled straight through with explosive results.

Miniaturizing laser weaponry to be human-portable also results in just as much instant soldier lethality, but isn't going to stop a computer-operated system from obliterating everyone.

>>13428185
All the laser needs is line of sight. If it can see a plane, it can also strike at it (within range, and ideally this range would be "anything I can see"). Unless we can make planes optically invisible across multiple wavelengths, stealth is no safety.

You might be able to hide from radar and other detection systems, or blow up the radar first, which would prevent the lasers from knowing where to look when you're approaching. Possibly. I believe we've already reached a point where anti-stealth technology is outpacing stealth, to say nothing of future developments like...

Passive radar. The problem with active radar is it tells the guy you're looking for exactly where you are. You're both in a dark room searching for each other, but you've got a flashlight you are waving around to try and find him with. Obviously he can see the flashlight, and you're just counting on him having a knife and being far away while you have a pistol.

Passive radar doesn't give you away. It sends out no signals, it only receives. It's looking at all the other natural or man-made signals (like TV and radio and satellite) that are in an area and establishing a map, so that when an object enters its range and those other signals behind bouncing off it (or don't go through it, since they're absorbed), it sees this disturbance.
Imagine that you are in a dark room that is completely surrounded by strings of Christmas lights. You're stationary and laying on the ground, so you're not really in the way of anything and are indistinguishable from other features of the room, like a piece of furniture. But the jet is a man walking around, and you can see every time he walks between you and a light. More broadly, you're both in a twisty hallway lit from many angles by waist-high lights, and he's walking around. You see every shadow he casts on the walls as he moves, even if he's out of your line of sight.

>>13428084
>fire the anti-beam beam!

>>13428886
>Fire the anti-anti-beam beam!

>>13428886
>>13428893
SEED had anti-beam warheads. When they exploded, the explosions somehow scattered beams.

>>13428910
I haven't watched much Gundam, but basically you fire off a whole shitload of reflective and heavy metal chaff and it scatters the beam

>>13428953
I don't think Gundam knows what chaff is.

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Gerwalk is sex.

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Awesome diorama.

I wonder if the mini-gunpods will be used as pin-point barrier tonfas for close range combat.

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So something I just noticed when rewatching the trailer, when you see the VF-31 transform with it's back against the sun you can clearly see it holding a gunpod weapon in it's right hand and twin cannons on it's back ala YF-29. So I guess this means the mini-gunpods won't be it's main weapon.

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>>13432174
Different angle.

>>13432174
>>13432202
Already mentioned here >>13427414 . Appreciate the actual picture though. Wonder why the toy has the container in Fighter/Gerwalk but not Battroid.

>>13432348
Supposedly those figures you see are just prototype models and they don't actually transform. That would explain the missing weapon container in battroid mode.

>>13426428
'Sup Nosferatu

>>13427034
>I like Satelite GG
How?

>>13432867
What are you talking about?

>>13432872
Satelite does god awful CG.

>>13432876
Did you even read that fucking post? It says GG, not CG you dipshit. He was talking about Galaxy. Fuck right off.

Despite all the shenanigans that the people in charge of Macross Galaxy did, I'm surprised that General Galaxy is actually still in business.

Being a General Galaxy employee must suck big time.
>Just an engineer there in charge of designing engines
>Breaking news: Macross Galaxy(sponsored by General Galaxy) enslaved sentient bugs and tried to take over the world! Also, an interview about the shitty life of a former Macross Galaxy resident!
>neighbours look at you weirdly
>get attacked by random people for trying to take over the world although you just make engines for VFs

>>13433084
>Despite all the shenanigans that the people in charge of Macross Galaxy did, I'm surprised that General Galaxy is actually still in business.
Well supposedly they make awolsome cybernetic body-parts?

Since the trailer shows an SDF-1 class Macross on the planet then that must mean it was colonized a long time ago.

>>13434041
Its a Quarter.

>>13433084
>>13433338
I'm assuming that's why they went back to the SV moniker instead. Even though the SV-262 shares a lot of the distinct design decisions that Galaxy makes, maybe its composed of left over Galaxy engineers?

The older SV series were made by Sukhoi, Dornier, and Israel. Does anyone know what happened to them in the context of the Macross engineering scene? Did they get folded into GG eventually, like most other aerospace manufacturers got folded into Shinsei?

>>13436169
For all we know these knights might be from another colony where Sukhoi still exists.

>>13436416
Is anyone else angry that our new protagonist clearly flies a VF-31A? The other fighters in the lineup have two beam guns on the head instead of just one. What's up with that?

>>13436467
Maybe it's a shoutout to the YF-19? Or maybe he's a newbie or a shit pilot so he flies the A model.

>>13426202
The gunpod's right here OP you colossal fucking faggot
>>13432174
>>13432202

>>13436526
The ones you can clearly see with 2 beam guns have some sort of insignia on them, so they're probably for squad leaders or aces.

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>>13436947
Speaking of squad leaders, I bet this guy is our new Ozma.

>>13427366

The thing I love about Macross is how the mecha are just one of the elements of a giant war machine. They don't even spend most combat in mecha form.

This is so much better than "muh special super Gundam that can rape armies" crap.

>>13428068

Not true. There are idols and idol groups that have boyfriends and no one cares.

It's the groups that specifically pander to virgin loving otaku that get this shit when they are found with dudes. And those types of idols sign contracts including not having boyfriends. It's their free choice.

What do you suppose the Vajra will be up to by the time Delta takes place?

>>13437385

Isn't it happening on the other side of the galaxy?

And I thought Zerg became friends with Ranka and won't be fighting humans anymore.

>>13437317

I'm not sure if I like this style. Girls look good, but guys look like they are missing details.

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>>13437346
>They don't even spend most combat in mecha form.
Unless it's Macross 7 but yeah.
>>13437400
The vajra are now humanity's ally so they shouldn't cause problems. Even in Macross 30 you can find wild vajra flying around and some quests ask you to protect them from bandits.

>>13437411
Is Macross 30 playable if you don't know a lick of Japanese?

>>13427052
Zero is disliked because it partially retcons SDF Macross, featuring prototype Valkyries fighting counterfeit Valkyries and having very obvious spoilers.

>>13437497
I didn't much care about that. I just thought it was boring compared to literally every other macross.

>>13437411
>Vajra flying around doing their stuff
It would be hilarious if one of the battles in Delta somehow involved a few Vajra casualties.

>Vajra doing their stuff in the background
>Suddenly stray bullets and missiles kill one of them
>The remaining ones join in the battle
>Vajra warship defold
>Both sides NOPE'd the fuck out and quickly retreat
>Later, news report that a small fleet of ships has set off to the Vajra Queen to apologize for killing the Vajra

>>13437516
It does add something new to the setting, knowing there's a faction just chilling out on the sidelines that the protoculture didn't want to fuck with.

>>13437411
I can't state how much I fucking love this scene where they're testing the control surfaces/engine vectoring/beam cannon swivel.

>>13437501

I don't know, I thought it was more exciting and memorable than Macross II at least. There's a couple of decent fights in it, Shin's arc about becoming a more cooperative pilot is okay and it's nice to see more of Roy if nothing else.

>>13437317
That's three Zolans revealed in the cast so far. What's preventing half-Zolan-Humans again? Is it the shape of the instruments?

>>13437615
I haven't seen a single neck snake, what makes you think they're Zolans?

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>>13437458
Macross 30 is plenty playable without knowing japanese since there's a very decent guide of it online. Go get it.
>>13437549
Frontier loved doing control checking before launches.

>>13428020
Had a friend of a friend who flew the SR-71 a few times. He said it was the most boring plane he ever flew.

He said SOP when targeted by a missile was to wait until the radar detector got to a certain frequency of beeps and then bank. SAM missiles aren't built to turn at high altitudes so they'd just zip by harmlessly.

>>13437516
Why not just apologize to Ranka's vagina whenever there's a diplomatic incident?

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Still wondering what this piece underneath is supposed to be.

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>>13438068
Maybe the gunpod?

>>13437856
Because its more sincere that way. It also has the side-effect of them bringing VFs to the Queen for conversion into VF-Vajra hybrid monsters.

Though, the Vajra figuring out individuality probably have an unfortunate side effect of the Vajra getting to declare war on a specific group of humans instead of the entire human race.

>>13426202
What happened to the Saab Draken Valkyrie?
Fuck.

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>>13438194
They showed off a prototype too but not battroid or gerwalk mode. Probably not ready yet.

>>13436416
Definitely based on the YF-30, but the lack of shared parts makes it not a VF-30.

Just a shared construction with the YF-30.

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>>13438211
>J-35 Space Edition
Where do I pre-order?

>>13436416
Ehhhh...I prefer the Chronos.

>>13438211
The exhaust really sticks out.

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>>13438448
Doesn't seem as bad in the promo art.

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>>13438074
Underside shot from the trailer. That has to be the gunpod.

>>13427045
bruh I 100% agree with you. I'll reserve judgement until I've seen the show, but god damn I did not want to believe there's gonna be 5 fucking idols. Absolutely ridiculous.

>>13438068
>>13438074
>>13439001
Agreed. I'm pretty sure its the gunpod. It seems sorta recessed in Fighter form which is kinda weird, but I guess you can always just use the twin gunpods during dogfighting.

Can anyone tell if the arm gunpods are on a swivel? If they are, being able to shoot shell-firing gunpods while aiming the main beam gunpod at your opponent would be crazy cool. That would give it more firepower than the YF-29.

However, I'd still argue the output for the YF-29's beam gunpod and twin beam cannon are higher, simply because it has 4 engines instead of just two. I'm betting the beam gunpod/twin beam cannon of the VF-31 is tuned to a lower output because of it. I don't believe that they would develop a new engine that would be as strong as two of the YF-29's engines in just a few years.

>>13438211
Damn thats one good lookin valk.

>>13438651
cute girls

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>>13439870
They can swivel. Time for gun kata scenes?

>>13440595
>>13426293
>Macross Delta
>No delta wings

Dropped.

>>13440602
Protip: This isn't the only variable fighter that's been shown

>>13440595
So it can fire both the arm gunpods and the beam gunpod in a hail of gunfire then?

>>13428221
Or, you know, go with area denial option, as shown in Von Neumann's War.

>>13440602
See
>>13438651

I wonder if the 31's toy needs external pieces to secure the chest, like the Chronos.

>>13437549
If there's something Macross does well, is plane-porn.

Artdink Vita/PS4 game when?

>>13440778
I hope we hear an announcement soon.
Macross Ace Frontier (the first game in the trilogy) actually came out a month after Frontier was over.

I'd personally settle for either:
a) An up to date Macross Triangle Frontier that includes scenarios and mecha/equipment for both Frontier movies, Macross 30 and Delta. Preferably for Vita, but PS4 is fine too.
b) A pared down version of Macross 30's RPG-lite style system designed for Delta's story, but with all the mecha the PSP games had. I'd love that for Vita, but a good looking PS4 game would be hard to pass up.

Either way, it'll probably wait until the series has finished airing. But who knows, they have deals for DX valks this early on so maybe we'll get a game earlier.

Is it a beam gun this time?

>>13445292
The forearm guns are solid but the actual gunpod it uses might be beam.

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The sexiest.

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>>13427335
Holy fuck those missiles.

I know this is Macross but wow.

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>>13447229
Having that many is pretty standard.

>>13447242
That fastpack easily has more missiles than your picture's entire loadout.

And that's just one fastpack, not counting the other side, and any missiles in the fighter itself.

>>13447268
VF-25 has no internal missiles.

>>13447268
Unfortunately, missiles aren't always the best tool for the job. The VF-25 can carry bombs, ECM pods, and other types of munitions other than just missiles with 6 hardpoints.

>>13447268
The Armor pack has over 200 missiles in various launchers, and guns.

Fuck VFs.

Where the fuck is my Monster?

>>13452068
No Monsters. Glaugs abound though.

>>13452068
The monster wasn't in the first episodes of Frontier. Give it time and I think we'll see it.

>>13432022
ooh, is there official/pirate itano-effects for the 1/72 bandai messiahs?

>>13438448
It's because it's going to split into two feet for gerwal/battroid

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>>13452361
Those are the 1/60 toys and no there are no missile effect parts for them. Wouldn't be that difficult to make yourself I imagine.

>>13428068
Not to mention that, in the West at least, we have a love-hate relationship with our celebrities. Sometimes we have hero-worship rags-to-riches stories about them, but it's just as common to mock our celebrities and take the piss out of them. "She acts all cute and demure on camera, but she comes across as an insufferable cunt if you meet her in person." Is a very common trope in western media.

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>5 Idols

Ugh.....

Add this to the list of things I'd like to see but probably never will:

A Macross Series where the Idol character is the lead vocalist for a doom metal band. Would be even better if they were based on Windhand

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBWVi1GB2Ls

Yes, that is a woman's voice. Check out her solo work.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ziZ9w5OiyKo

Instead of uniting mankind and aliens with the power of love and understanding, she unites them with the power of NIHILISM

And drugs

>>13452664
>all this edginess
wew lad

>>13440738
>If there's something Macross does well, is plane-porn.

Until the planes transform, yeah.

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>>13453037

Please don't bully.

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>>13453037
Eat shit

>>13452664
You know, I think you might be on to something.

If you want 5 idols, why not a band? 1 Drummer, 2 Bassists, 1 Lead guitar and a vocalist all of whom happen to be cute girls.

I wouldn't chose that style of metal though. Maybe something more akin to Kittie.

>>13428171
IIRC, even back in SDF some of the valks were capable of reaching escape velocity with special equipment. By Frontier? Doesn't even take that.

>>13428910
0079 Gundam had something similar, missiles that created big coatings of Minovsky Particles that stopped Beams and I think reduced the effectiveness of mega particle weapons? And 00 had fields that could stop the spreading of GN Particles that could be loaded in warheads.

>>13437385
>>13437411
>>13437516
Speaking of the Vajra, did they ever come up with a way to manage communication with normal humans who don't have Fold Crystals or are Ranka?

Also:

>>Suddenly stray bullets and missiles hit one of them
>it bounces straight off their bullshit armor
>all the Vajra turn to the offending Valk and go "OY, CUT THAT SHIT OUT"

>>13438138
Then again, the Vajra might not care so much if only one of them die.

>>13452068
Wonder what the next incarnation of the Monster is? The Destroid lasted quite a while, so would the Koenig still be in use at this point?

>>13456625
>The Destroid lasted quite a while, so would the Koenig still be in use at this point?
Macross isn't Gundam, where units get phased out the year after they're introduced. Unless they have a reason to retire it, I doubt the Koneig will be replaced so soon. It's more likely that NUNS just won't encounter scenarios where it'll be needed.

>>13457218
>Macross isn't Gundam, where units get phased out the year after they're introduced.
The Jegan was in service for like sixty years. The Jamesgun and Javelin were in service for 20-30 years.

>>13457232
Rare exception.

>>13452664
You're just running into the same problem; idols. Idols are slowly becoming the cancer killing Macross. It's becoming less about the beauty of culture expressed through music and more about the cute girls these days.

I'd love a band with a lead singer, though, but I'm not sure Doom metal is a good genre for Macross. Maybe something more like this? http://4musics.org/Elena%20Huston%20-%20Mermaid%20Rock%20(Devil%20May%20Cry)/ (Top one, just hit play)

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>>13457260
>It's becoming less about the beauty of culture expressed through music and more about the cute girls these days.
So Macross has been dying since Plus then since none of the sequels were about the beauty of culture expressed through music. I think this is the problem a lot of people like you have with Macross is you just want another SDF and can't handle something different. Music has been used in different ways for EVERY Macross. Deal with it or enjoy another franchise since Macross obviously isn't for you.

>>13453037

In frontier they were planes 90% of the time and it sold crazy good.

I won't be surprised if there is even less mecha in this new season.

>>13457307
Actually, 7 did exactly that rather well.

>I think this is the problem a lot of people like you have with Macross is you just want another SDF.

I don't really, but at the same time, I fail to see why this would be a bad thing.

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>mfw 7 is my favorite Macross

>>13457307
They didn't play it up, but the Vajra literally communicate through song.

>>13457342
Well, yeah. It was mostly space combat. No need for Battroid when your opponents are too far away to target easily with your gunpod/missiles.

>>13457307
Actually, I tend to agree. My problem with Macross Frontier is that it masks itself under the guise of culture via music, but with Ranka's/Sheryl's innate connection with the Vajra and their hivemind state, it felt less like exposing alien life to culture and more like an elaborate form of snake charming. Since they're the only ones capable of doing this, the "culture" aspect of it felt a tad meaningless.

I'd rag on Plus for almost completely removing itself from the "culture" aspect of the musical role, but at the same time, Plus didn't try to be a J-Pop machine selling cute girls in lewd outfits and singles (they still released albums, mind you, but the music was more of a tribute to late 80's/early 90's music than anything tied with an idol caricature) Plus was more about the Planes, and it showed in the love put into the animation, and Sharon Apple felt more like a subtle criticism of the growing idol culture in the mid-90s. I guess that's another reason why Frontier felt so jarring; it glorifies said culture where Plus vaguely parodied it's influence.

>>13457564
>nd Sharon Apple felt more like a subtle criticism of the growing idol culture in the mid-90s. I guess that's another reason why Frontier felt so jarring; it glorifies said culture where Plus vaguely parodied it's influence.
Nice fanfiction.

>>13431239
You know, despite the Battroid looking like complete ass, that is a pretty decent Gerwalk.

>>13457439
Except it didn't.
>>13457461
The Vajra communicated through the fold crystals in their body, they didn't communicate through song except for Aimo.

>>13457564
So Plus gets a free pass for completely ignoring the culture aspect of Macross just because it's not J-pop and the plane porn looks good? Nice logic.

>>13457851
Sounds sound to me

>>13457851
I can kind of see where he's going with it; Plus broke from the norm of the franchise, but did so in a way that it became something unique to itself and made for a quality title in spite of the change in direction, while Frontier mostly mimic the original while bucking to shitty industry trends (3DCG animation being the worst of it) and lacked a number of key aspects from SDF that made it so good. I say that as someone that enjoyed Frontier.

It's kind of like the differences between 0080 and SEED. 0080 may havelacked a lot of the tropes that the franchise is famous for, but what it did, it did VERY well.

>>13458064
That's because Plus wasn't a Macross production originally. That's why it's so different.

>>13458184
Sure explains why Shinichiro Watanabe was on it, then.

>>13458064
I personally think that, although the CG wasn't perfect visually, it added to the choreography of the battles. They were able to use the transformation of the VF effectively in battle. The anon with the webms should be able to show some of the clips that did have quite a bit of form switching in a short amount of time.
Every other Macross entry, perhaps due to the animation hell that is rapid transformations, didn't do the rapid form switching that Frontier did. 7 had a lot of battroid mode, and Zero had a lot of fighter mode(Its somewhat justified though, the pilots were flying normal fighters before they were flying VFs so it makes sense that they would use the form that they are more familiar with).

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>>13458375
>Alto turning his head like that while pulling like a million Gs
>Doesn't snap his neck.

>>13458500
>What is the Inertial Store Converter?

>>13458500
It's Macross, dude

>>13458500
The VF-25 literally has a G dampener built in.

>>13458500
>>13458508
Actually, the VF-25 is also rated for a maximum load of +/- 28Gs and the cockpit is probably the same

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This may not be the right thread but I'm going to ask.

I'm currently watching SDFM and I'm enjoying it but some of the episodes annoy me like Minmay's birthday and currently Miss Macross.

They feel like filler and add nothing to the plot. I'm wondering if there was a list somewhere of episodes I can skip that are filler episodes?

>>13458536
Airframe tolerance doesn't equal pilot tolerance. The pilot's not made out of the same material of construction method of whatever future space-age design the VF is made of.

>>13458574
Do you actually want to watch SDF or do you just want to "watch" it so you can watch other Macross shows?

Because if it's the latter, a simple plot synopsis can be found online easily.

>>13458580
>After the YF-24 plan was discontinued, a miniaturized and improved ISC progressed from Shinsei Industry's research and that model also withstood high G environment which could catch and shoot down a QF-4000 air-intercepting variant which was developed into the YF-24 Evolution. Furthermore, the VF-25's ISC/TO21 improved performance where it is assumed that acceleration of the cockpit at maximum can maintain 27.5G reduction for 120 seconds.

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>>13458580
>The Inertia Store Converter, ISC or otherwise known as an inertia buffer, is a device or system that links to a Variable Fighters EX-Gear to ease and reduce the forces of gravitational acceleration (G-Forces) that a high-output Variable Fighter and it's pilot suffer during combat maneuvers.

>The ISC works essentially by temporary converts and stores excess inertia or g-forces, which exceed the limits of the pilot's body and the Variable Fighter's airframe, into dimensional distortion field energy. The ISC slowly returns the inertia/g-forces over time thus reducing the strain experienced by both the pilot and the Variable Fighter.

How many G's do you figure Guld was pulling in Plus, given his head exploded?

>>13458859
Probably more than the maximum safety limit considering the loss of the YF-21's limbs made it even faster.

>>13458833
>>13458375
>>13437645
>>13437411
I still don't get how people can say Frontier had bad CGI.

>>13458918
There's no bad CG.
Just CG, which is automatically bad.
NOW FUCK OFF

>>13458923
You fuck off.

>>13426337
>VF-4 doesn't have a gunpod either right?

Depends on the model. Some versions of the VF-4 use gunpods as part of their standard armament.

>>13428153

Missiles in Macross are faster than those in real life.

>>13458973
That is the Macross Eternal Love Song version which is set in the Macross II continuity.

>>13458975
And we have seen VFs keeping their distance(albeit with the pilot experiencing Gs even with ISC)

>>13458923
>stop liking what I don't like

>>13458309
I actually hated that. The problem I had with Macross Frontier is how everything moved so obscenelyFAST. that it made following the action difficult. It felt less like itano circus and more like watching Armored Core for Answer on default regulations.

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>>13458194
Looking back, Shinichiro Watanabe was lrobably the best thing to happen to a Macross production. Kawamori seems like one of those retards that needs someone to reign in his bullshit as much as possible.

So if you had a chance to have any director co-direct a Macross animated work with Kawamori, who would you pick?

>>13460923
Urobutcher.

>>13460923
Fukuda

>>13458923
I prefer hand-drawn mecha, but with how ridiculously fast and dynamic VFs are, I think the CGI is fine when it's handled so well. Plus and DYRL were both beautiful but they had bigger budgets than the average TV show.

I'd rather have CGI than slideshows.

>>13438211
Damn. I like the design. Why does it have to be piloted by fujobait?

>>13461228
It might turn out alright, Alto looked like a girl but was the most hotblooded pilot yet.

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I want new Macross to get these guys to make QUALITY animation for the new show

>>13460923
I will never understand the praise for Plus. It had great animation and good music but everything else was terrible. The characters were shallow and immature and the plot was barely there. Sharon going rogue especially felt phoned in. Here's this producer guy buying an illegal AI chip for Sharon so she can go batshit insane because...WHY?

>>13461283
Alto was just "handsome guy with a ponytail", fished by his relatives into kabuki. Those fellows from the Delta poster are landwhale magnets.

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>>13461413
I really don't see how those guys are any worse than this

>>13461437
Arto is kawaii as fuck desu
Call me it they start trapping too senpai

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>>13461345
>The characters were shallow and immature
That's par for the course for Macross.

>the plot was barely there.
Short of SDF, there has never been a good Macross plot. Usually it's just a series of silly plot threads and backstory written around the good guys winning through the power of pop music.

It can be fun sometimes, but its further down than the bottom of the barrel as far as storytelling goes.

I think Plus was well-recieved in the mecha community because it was almost exclusively about the Macross's biggest strength as far as mecha fans are concerned; transforming fighters and dogfights.

>>13461463
>there has never been a good Macross plot. Usually it's just a series of silly plot threads and backstory written around the good guys winning through the power of pop music.
inb4 Macrossfags whine because you pointed out the truth

>>13461489
It's an opinion. It's not true or false.

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>>13461525
Pick a side, faget

>>13461463
It's certainly why I like Plus. No bullshit, just G-forces.

>>13461550
Except they did plenty of shit in Plus that should kill the pilot, not just GOTTAGOFAST.

>>13461550
>No bullshit, just G-forces.
Yes, because transforming fighter jets that can fly at mach 20 and pull 20 Gs without killing the pilot isn't bullshit at all.

>>13461581
it did kill the pilot, though.

>>13461581
>>13461559
I think he meant that in a sense of "No cute girls, no 'muh song' just VFs."

>>13461702
So it's barely Macross.

>>13461345
It's a four episode OVA, man. It's well-directed spectacle with some solid hooks that doesn't make the mistake of trying to change the world.

And unlike most other stuff the franchise has produced, I'm not embarrassed to show it to other people.

Did you guys forget Sharon Apple existed or something? She satisfied the idol requirement for Plus.

>>13460923
Ishiguro?

>>13461345
> Sharon going rogue especially felt phoned in. Here's this producer guy buying an illegal AI chip for Sharon so she can go batshit insane because...WHY?
This. Why does nobody ever address this asspull?

>And unlike most other stuff the franchise has produced, I'm not embarrassed to show it to other people.
I dunno. Most of my friends seem to like Frontier more than I do. Except that one guy. But he hates everything.

>>13461846
I'm talking about fair-weather anime viewers, or even people who don't watch it all. It's no Cowboy Bebop, but its still got crossover appeal.

As to the AI chip thing. Dude's just a straight-up mad scientist who doesn't want Myung's emotions muddying up his pure waifu. I don't think anyone would accuse it of being Plus's strongest plot point.

>>13460923
Watanabe again, only this time it's smart-dumb Space Dandy Watanabe. Though that'd probably create a feedback loop with Kawamori's silly-dumb stuff.

>>13461804
>scared of showing anime to other people
How insecure are you?

>>13461874
But Sharon going crazy is practically the main plot. The only real conflict in the story is Isamu/Myung/Guld and that could've been easily resolved if they just say down and talked about it but nope gotta act like immature kids and constantly try to one up each other and attempt murder over a fucking girl.

>>13461963
Outside the dogfights, the whole thing feels like pointless filler. They could've removed Myung completely.

>>13461946
Plenty. But it doesn't inform my decision whether I should show someone a series with, say, a giant lady with big stonking titties that sometimes turns into a little girl.

>>13461963
But that doesn't get you killer dogfights and Information High. It's Macross, not Thirtysomething.

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>>13460923
Every time I see that head turret hatch open in art it really bothers me, it's so obvious it should normally be closed but apparently all anyone remembers is the part of plus where the laser is actually used

>>13460923
For some reason, I really love the idea of the VF-25's Super Pack on the VF-19. That shit is sexy as hell on those forward swept wings.

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>>13462330
I think it's because they attach directly to the wing roots, the 29's engine pods don't look quite right out in the middle.

>>13462480
Rather ironically, I think the YF-29's wing engines look fine. But I think its more than I like the shape of the VF-25's Super Pack.

>>13462484
Of course it looks silly as all hell in battroid though.

>>13462486
The YF-29 is my favorite valk. I think I'm the only person who actually likes its design 100%. I love the way the wings fold upward in Battroid, I love swiveling beam cannon, I love the way its exhaust looks like angel wings with the super pack. But I guess I'm the only one.[/spoiler

The word "kibble" has become almost a meme when talking about it.

>>13462516
Nah, I'm with you too.

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>>13462486
I dunno I think it looks cool with the wings out like that. Gives it a more imposing look.

>>13462560
It is literally the valkyrie with the strongest firepower while retaining speed.

That's part of what bothers me about the VF-31. Even if its weapon container can be swapped for a twin beam cannon like on the YF-29, the beam cannon can't possibly have the same output.

The YF-29's 4 engines give it a crapton more power than most valkyries and the implications for its Energy Conversion Armor are monstrous.

>>13462613
The VF-25 could also fire a beam cannon with the Tornado pack.

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>>13462560
>>13462516
No, while I don't particularly care for the 29 I was referring to this.

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>>13462793
I see. That's one of the many design flaws of the 19 series. Gerwalk looks retarded and it can't mount traditional super packs without looking stupid.

>>13462776
True, but I got the impression that the Tornado Pack was the proof of concept for the YF-29. Especially because the VF-25 itself wasn't built for that kind of output, so the Tornado Pack had capacitors to power the beam cannon itself. Meanwhile the YF-29's cannon is powered directly from the engines themselves.

Also I don't recall reading anything about the Tornado Pack supplementing ECA other than what physical armor it actually adds.

>>13462793
>>13462809
>not liking buttwings
A shame they don't twist on the waist like that.

>>13462810
Tornado pack has its own reaction engine built in, presumably that power can enhance the armor if it isn't being used by the beam cannon.

>>13462810
>>13462837
Found what I was looking for:
>Despite inheriting the structure of the VF-25, which has also had an improvement in the Battroid form's strength, a substantial strengthening has been carried out on the basic structural frame of the YF-29, in order to enable it to cope with the engines, which have been improved to a higher output spec. At this time, the energy conversion armour also has double the armour thickness (the combined strength when operating is about four times), and the YF-29 possesses an armour strength greater than that of the VF-25 when it's equipped with an armoured pack.

>>13462560
The YF-29 is a good example of why I don't particularly care for Frontier-era Valkyries.

>>13462899
Bad. Taste.

>>13462899
The weird thing for me is I like the 27 a lot but the 25 and especially the 29 just don't do much for me.

>>13462560
>gives it a more imposing look
I agree with that.


I feel that the wings not being able to fold up, although it makes the back look really bulky, fits the 29.
The 29 is easily one of the most heavily armed VF that still has good speed and mobility, it screams ONE-MAN-ARMY wherever you look at it. I feel that having an imposing look fits that, and the wings not being folded makes it more imposing.

And you do have to note that the wings, from the external engines onwards, can rotate for vector thrust. If the engine's thrust vectoring isn't enough, it can turn the engines and the wings to bank harder.
Adding another few joints to the wings to fold them up will probably make it too flimpsy. In contrast, the 27's wings can't swivel like the 29's, so adding a few joints to fold it up is fine.

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>>13462969
It's the damnedest thing. I don't care at all for most of the VF-24-derived Valks - I think a lot of it has too with how damn skinny they are, especially those looong thin legs - but I love the YF-25 Prophecy. A lot of its the color scheme - I'll go in for a lot of designs if they're orange, and the purple gunpod looks better with a complimentary color. - but I think the head ties the look together better. The more futuristic, alien aesthetic gives the rest of the design room to breathe.

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>>13461717
The original Macross was actually pretty tasteful and conservative with the music angle. It served as an intergral part of the plot, but wasn't the star of the show.

So fuck off with your "not muhs." Macross has gotten worse than Gundam when it comes to overuse (and poor use) of tropes it invented.

That said, I really liked 7 and am listening to Holy Lonely Night as I type

>>13463259
And what's wrong with the music angle being the star of the show? Fuck off with your arrogant attitude.

Can't wait for Escaflowne esque Macross. I'm think the Draken batroid mode will look like knights with capes

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>>13463205
>A lot of its the color scheme
For me, it's definitely a big factor. For the YF-29, Alto's paint scheme is just terrible while Isamu's livery drastically improves it.

micloned Vajra. The live all over Ranka's house

I love that Frontier became so Ender's Game

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>>13463317
Because in order for the music to be the star of the show, it has to be good music, not generic J-pop idol trash that comes a dime a dozen in just about most animes that come out each year Lion was okay, I guess, but even if the music's good, that doesn't mean the show is, just that it has good music and some cool planes and a stupid love triangle for waifufags to argue over.

As I said, SDF handled the music angle extremely well, due to it's integration with the show's themes in an extremely meaningful and powerful way. Nowadays, it's just there to be there, and the show's antanonists are written in a way that caters directly to the musical angle, which is just plain shite storytelling and makes for even more shite antagonists. The only reason I liked 7 is because the music was fucking crazy good, but I'll be the first to tell you that if you plan to watch it for the story and conflict, you might as well just read the wikia while listening to the Basara's song(s).

Basically, music is both the best and worst thing about Macross. It's great, amazing even, if it's integrated in the narrative in a way that caters to it, but when the narrative is written around the music, then the story angle falls apart, which just makes for a tasteless show that happens to have some nice visuals and an idol for weirdos to fawn over and buy figurines of. If Kawamori can't figure out what about the music made it so meaningful in in the first place, but insists of including it for the sake of adhering to a trend, then I'm sorry to say that he should step back into the design room and make way for a better director with a better handle on storytelling.

>>13463483
>Because in order for the music to be the star of the show, it has to be good music, not generic J-pop idol trash that comes a dime a dozen in just about most animes that come out each yea
>yoko kanno composed j-pop is considered trash dime-a-dozen
Stopped reading right there.

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>>13463317
>And what's wrong with the music angle being the star of the show?

The music sucks. Fuck off with your shit taste.

>>13463494
Macross Plus's music is good, though. My ire is mostly aimed more at Frontier and now (likely) Delta, but we'll have to see on the latter (signs don't look good, though...)

>>13463494
Plus's music is more 90's techno than anything resembling J-pop.

>>13463521
Have you considered that maybe you're just growing out of Macross?

>>13437346
That's because the titular mecha is the Macross battleship, not the Variable Fighters.

>>13463566
No, of course not. Macross is wrong and I'm right. It should be like the way I want it.

>>13463545
Was talking about Frontier's music which is composed by Yoko Kanno.

>>13463575
>>13463581
Whatever, enjoy being bitter all throughout Delta then. Or not. It doesn't really matter, honestly.

>>13438651
Great, a whole squad of Alto-tier faggots.

tfw we will never get another Roy or Isamu

Ozma was close I guess

>>13463589
Hey, at least they don't use that frontier designer who gave his/her characters Jew nose.

Fuck, I still hate Sheryl's manface.

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>>13463494

Yes, because it is totally impossible for even the most talented people to throw out a dud or slip up every now and then.

>>13463483

I'm expecting LL style semen demon songs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1Yk5azTtAI

But we'll see.

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>>13463589
Watch the fucking trailer before making assumptions.

>>13463581
Ah, forgot about that.

Not sure why that doesn't make it shit, though.

>>13463416

Maybe we'll get more half Vajra girls.

But I guess they would break the show with at will Vajra fleet summons.

>>13463607
Because music is subjective.

>>13463566
If that was the case, I'd watch the old ones and cringe.

Personally, I just think Kawamori slowly lost his touch.

>>13463494
Never understood the praise for Yoko Kanno. Everything good she's ever done is extremely derivative of better works.

>>13463601
It's what I'm expecting too, which is why I'm not terribly excited.

>>13463624
For example?

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>>13463624
Guess that explains why Frontier's music sounds just like any other generic J-pop song.

>>13463625

Let's be honest, 3/4 of Frontier songs were shit.

They just knew when to spam the few good ones.

And some LL songs are good.

>>13463634
>Some of LL songs are good
Opinion discarded
>>>/a/

>>13463605
oh my god that qt on the left

>>13463638

They are an amateur school band that got anywhere because of a russian girl with actual experience. What exactly were you expecting?

Eri straight out told them that idol music is shit.

>>13463627
Not him, but any orchestral work she's done. Plus's OST tends to take a lot from popular music genres during that time period, and the orchestral work sounds like something you'd hear in some 80/90's action films. Bebop's OST was good, but hardly original outside of a few tracks. GITSSAC is her best work in my opinion. She's at her best when she's singing under Gabriela Robin.

Kanno's a good composer with a lot of range, but her problem is that she gets this range from mimicking other work to varying degrees. She doesn't have much of a "thing" of her own outside of her vocal work. Hiroyuki Sawano, on the other hand...say what you want about him, but he has a very distinct, original style that I can pick out in a heartbeat. unicorn's OST is some of the best work I've heard in anime in ages.

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>Frontier has shit music
You all have shit taste or don't like JPOP, in which case you probably shouldn't be watching Macross.

All of the Frontier final fights had GOAT musical direction.

>>13463688
>All of the Frontier final fights had GOAT musical direction

They did. Especially the TV series final battle.

But most of Sheryl's songs are bad.

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>>13463688
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODG2b0pS1Ds
Aynone that doesn't like Sayonara no Tsubasa automatically has shit taste. This single song is better than anything from SDF/DYRL and Plus.

>>13463483
>Zentradi
>not written so that muh culture could win the day
you can't be this delusional. A large grouping of sentient being that never developed any kind of culture is far more out there then hive-mind space bugs.

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>>13463707
>mfw VALKYRIAAAAAAAA

>>13463701
I like most of them but she is my waifu so that is to be expected.

>>13463727
>VALKYRIAAAAAAAA

That's pretty much the only good part of the song.

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>>13463727
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lILpYVuZc4

>>13463734
>no Sheryl and Ranka cut-in
It's trash senpai

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>>13463745
https://youtu.be/-lfFKvn-kEo?t=2m35s
Here you go

>>13463734
>>13463755
Alto is hotblooded as fuck

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>>13463713
But that's what made it beautiful. SDF was about -culture- as a whole. The Zentradi were a race bred specifically for war with no exposure to anything resembling a culture of their own beyond their role. When it comes down to it, their race was actually really tragic. They're something straight out of 40k.

The music was a focal point of the overarching theme of humanity and culture and how it shapes what we are. Music is a huge part of any human culture and Minmay's singing played a big role in exposing the Zentradi to concepts entirely foreign to them, but it wasn't about her or her songs. Remember the part where Hikaru and Misa were forced to demonstrate a kiss to the Zentradi because they had no idea what love was? Remember when Max and Millia showed the Zentradi warriors their baby that she grew in her body and BLEW THEIR FUCKING MINDS? Remember when a vast number of Zentradi defected to the humans because this new thing called "culture" was some beautiful worth protecting? Remember when they used a gunpod to light a zentradi-sized cigar? All of that was just completely wonderful. God, Macross was great.

7 may have tried to kind of recreate that kind of feel to some degree with the Protodevlin but I don't they succeeded quite as fluidly as they did with the Zentradi.

Frontier just doesn't seem to give a shit anymore; "meh, here's your singing alien hivemind for Ranka/Sheryl to duet to and btw Sheryl's clothes are a hologram."

>>13463837
Did it ever occur to you that the sequels aren't supposed to be recreating SDF's culture aspect? Most don't even try because they're not aiming for it.

>>13463837
Frontier is to SDF, as Godzilla(2014) is to Gojira.
it's ok to remove the message or meaning, in favor of something more "spectacular" because that message will always be there thanks to the original.

>>13463688
7 had the best music.

>>13464597
>NO MORE WASTIN' TIME
Fuck 7 and fuck you too.

>>13464821
HEY EVERYBODY

>>13463624
>>13463627
Not the same guy, but I've had the same opinion.

https://youtu.be/wy2dko8KrJU?t=4m30s compared to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyHx-dPz2RA

It's like comparing Star Wars music to The Planets.

>>13464597
Fiya!

>>13427366
>tfw we will never get a Macross installment that revolves around faceless pilots and their production-grade Valks, fighting the good fight while pretty boy special aces hog all the glory
Why even live?

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>>13463688
J-Pop's kind of shit, m8. K-Pop's where it's at.

>>13464821
That part of the song is fucking awesome though

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>>13463901
New to the discussion here, but if thats the case, why not replace the culture theme with something else? Otherwise they might as well just forgo any shitty plot they have in mind and just make music videos with dogfights.

Even Gundam manages to do just fine when it ventures outside of the realm of "imperfect communication" (I'd even argue it's more sensible when it does.) That might have something to do with Gundam having a diverse staff of artists that worked on it, though.

While I'm at it, love triangles are the worst trope in fiction ever. I feel like FFVII is the only story where it managed to be mildly interesting. Kind of wish they'd tone that shit down. All it does is weigh down the writing with clumsy drama.

>>13466379
VF-2SS a shit

>>13466682
Quiet you