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So /m/ what did you guys think of MGS-V?
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Warning: Spoilers.

https://youtu.be/KO4Tusk_V2k
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best metal gear
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>No Ocelot buddy
why?
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>>13367705
wow it's like the game was completely unfinished or something
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>DD!
>BARK
>DD!
>BARK
>DD!
>BARK

10/10 best cute doggy simulator.

But in actuality, I thought it was fun, even though it desperately needed to be finished. Rocket Punch is the best weapon in the entire game. Sahelanthropus was cool.

Fuck Huey.
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>>13367721
the game was 60+ hours not a big deal that we didn't get everything we think we were promised.
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>>13367757
Jehuty hand is best
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>>13367760

The biggest problem for me is the "Empty feel" that you always get with a badly thought open world, the gameplay is really fucking fine, but the story for me it's not even entertaining (no i don't need it to be good) the missions are mostly repetitive and all the extra stuff get boring really fast.
There's something that make me feel hollow after playing the game for more than an hour.
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>>13367552
> $100+
Yeah...I didn't want to own that at all.
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>they think it's over
portopia is only the beginning
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>>13367802
I doubt there will be lots of DLC dude.
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>>13367778
This.
Needed random events and bigger bases.
Like they're great in missions but in free-roam they're barren.
Have random civilians wandering from town to town.
Have some of them raise the alarm if they see you or just run away.
Have mujadeen skirmishing randomly with russian forces.
AND A FUCKING PILOTABLE BATTLEGEAR
>Cut for disrupting gameplay balance.
FUCK YOU
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>>13368268
Yeah, last one would have been cool. Or fighting it.
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>one Boss fight in the whole game
that was crappy.
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>>13368527
>whole game
kek
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How they have a humanoid-gundam type metal gear in 1984 but they have a dinosaur horse shit in 2005?
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>>13368655
it doesn't really work
lil' psycho mantis makes it work
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>>13367490
Thanks
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>>13368655
Not every bipedal mech is a fucking gundam
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>>13367465
>So /m/ what did you guys think of MGS-V?

The Phantom Pain is the biggest disappointment in the entire franchise, and I've played MGS4.

There's undoubtedly plebs and casuals who think it's "GOTY 10/10!", but they aren't even smart enough to realize we got a half finished game. They are blissful in their ignorance.

I'm still holding out hope for the ruse cruise to still be going, but I can't rate MGSV higher than a 5/10.

Ground Zeroes was better then TPP in almost every way outside of gameplay refinements. Better thematics, better music, better tone, better cutscenes, better level design....

I'd be happier if MGSV never came out.
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>>13367465
Completely conflicted. There's so many things that pissed me off about it yet at the same it's the only game in years that made me play for over three hours straight causing me to dump 80 hours into it within two weeks.
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>>13368655
It requires literal mental gymnastics for the thing to stand on its own two feet. Which is a phenomenal metaphor for the game itself. Right on, Kojima.
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It's fun when you're playing just to do dumb shit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYM-vPKyxfA

>>13367721

Even if it was finished, I don't think he was gonna be a buddy anyway. He's mission control.
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>>13369087
new dunkey

MP Sahelanthropus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5jx9aYSG1c
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>>13369099

I didn't post that one because I thought the 2nd vid was funnier
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>>13367757
The matching eyepatch kills me.
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>>13369087
>the outpost of held up guys with c4 on their backs
>Franklin dies
My sides
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It's the most fun I've ever had being disappointed.

>>13367705
Ocelot felt really underused in general
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>>13368655

You're forgetting that REX is superior to Sally in every aspect except walking upright.
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>>13368655
guess at what year Transformers aired
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*Humming of Peacewalker intensifies.*
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>>13367465
Really, it's not the boring open world, the mostly lackluster gameplay with the exception of a few missions (Skullface, in particular, was one I really enjoyed), or the numerous promises that weren't kept (interactable, living Mother Base, customizable FOB's, etc.), the almost nonexistent story was what hurt me the most. I understand Kojima and his team wanted to make a game that appealed to the new generation of gamers, but it felt like MGSV just used too many ideas and failed to execute almost all of them, which means that the abysmal story is even more glaring. Staples of the series are taken out or replaced for no good reason; the casette tape system replacing codec worked in Peace Walker because it was portable, and there was a lot less lag time between going through the mother base menus and choosing missions, but with all of the helicopter rides, monotonous open-world side ops requiring you to drive around for hours only completing a few side ops, it made actually listening to the casette tapes an extremely uncomfortable shift in action from constantly moving around and doing stuff to sitting in a cockpit for large lengths just listening to audio tapes. Both the fact that large amounts of content relevant to the story are only experienced/heard through the casette tapes and that all of that story could have easily been put into the game through cutscenes just adds to the rushed feeling the game has, which ultimately adds up to a game that feels barren in story, gameplay, and setting, and left me feeling like the 40-50 hours I put into the game were for nothing; the already condensed story adds almost nothing to the franchise as a whole, and like many other anons, I would have felt better if it just ended at 4. All of this is made worse by the fact that the only game I've played that wasn't japshit or /v/-tier indieshit was Rising, and that MGSV will probably be the last real video game I play in my life

TL;DR: Eternal sadness
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I had fun with it.

But then I'm apparently not like most metal gear fans, I've never cared about the story. I always played to do stupid shit like running around and constantly tapping walls to confuse the fuck out of guards.
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>>13368805
>dog
Anyone can tell that's clearly a wolf!
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>>13369203
The whackadoo story and tons of conversations with the supporting cast via codec/cassette tape is a tent-pole of Metal Gear, and it's almost completely absent in this game. It just felt so empty. Here you put in 45-50 hours, but I put in 200 and that story that was stretched too thin for 45-50 feels like an eyedropper of water in the Sahara desert.
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>>13367465
>>13367552
Isn't the head too heavy?
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>>13367465

That was so Nuclear
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BOSS GET DOWN!
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It's my favorite after 2 and Peace Walker. I think I have a thing for controversial ones with whacked out ending.
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>>13369413
>2's ending
>"Stop trying to be a video game hero and live your life"
>V's ending
>"Congratulations, YOU are the video game hero!"

Maybe I'm just a retard (not entirely implausible), butI'm getting mixed messages here
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>>13369431
The difference is that MGS2 was about self inserting into a character. MGSV having Big Medic be a self insert wasn't to praise you as the hero but to hammer in the notion that Big Boss is no longer a person but an idea that can be applied to anyone under the right conditions.

Kinda like the S3 program.
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>>13367465
god tier gameplay and graphics, weak and terribly disappointing story.

Sahelantropus is the shit though
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>>13369403
The enemy sniiiperrrrrr....
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>>13369431
>>"Stop trying to be a video game hero and live your life"

That's not exactly it though. It was more simply go live your life and don't worry too much about the details. You're your own person and can become anyone you want. It being a video game was just the framing for the message.
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>>13368655
Did you not play the game? They go on about how shit it actually is and the only reason it really is any threat is because of Mantis.

It doesn't even fucking work without him.
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>>13368800
I put around 130 hours into it. I enjoyed most of those hours. It's a good game. Great game at times. A terrible Metal Gear game though. One of the main reasons I did play as much as i did was because i thought there would be this huge playoff. Everything would fall into place. I would imagine the same goes for many people.
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>>13369593
I don't need my Metal Gear games to have a big payoff at the end. Getting 'closure' was NEVER what Metal Gear was about. But I do expect an actual story there. And this game was the most bereft of story since MG1.
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Disappointing, but still pretty fun. Mainly because it's an unfinished game.
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>>13369644
Obligatory

https://a.pomf.cat/vxvhor.webm
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>>13369203
>japshit or /v/-tier indieshit

What ?
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>>13369646

How can i not love this soundtrack/sound effects.
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>>13369933
Idiocy from a non-gamer, just ignore it. Undertale is a great game.
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>>13367465
Rex will always be better
>Abandoned in shadow moses left to rot for 9 years
>broken and battered, beats current gen Metal Gear
>doesnt need third boy(child)/Psycho Mantis to keep it running.
>the only way to stop Rex is to literally shoot the pilot.
>conventional missiles wont hurt its thick armor
>9 years later still had the best capability to launch nuclear undetected and no counter measures for its balistics.
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>>13369247
Pretty much this.

It was fun and that's what mattered. The story in MGS has always been bad, 1 seemed good at the time but when I look back now it seems really really silly; 2 and everything afterwards has been varying degrees of incredible stupidity. In fact as long as a Metal Gear games isn't as bad as 2, I'm reasonably happy.

5 feels like it could have been amazing if it hadn't been hampered by Kojima not knowing what to do I'm not sure whether the series will be better without him or not but it potentially should be better
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>>13369247
>>13370184
>The biggest problem for me is the "Empty feel" that you always get with a badly thought open world, the gameplay is really fucking fine, but the story for me it's not even entertaining (no i don't need it to be good) the missions are mostly repetitive and all the extra stuff get boring really fast.
>There's something that make me feel hollow after playing the game for more than an hour.

As i said before, it's not about the story, the game has many gameplay issues.
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>>13370266

I never had that happen to me though. I tend to play in like 6 hour chunks and despite having over 80 hours put in I haven't gotten bored.
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>>13369987
>beats current gen Metal Gear

Only because Otacon loaded up a CQC program into it the moment they reclaimed it.
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>>13369646
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>>13369987
Fuck, I wish V let us pilot some big ass gears again. Walker Gears are neat and all but I'd have loved to fight Sahelanthropus or stomp all over enemy outposts in the TX-55.
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>>13369203
>I would have felt better if it just ended at 4
That would have left quite a bit of story untold. They clearly set up for a MSF v Cipher story at the end of Peacewalker. Why would you not want that?
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https://a.pomf.cat/epscuj.mp4

>tfw this didn't make it into V's soundtrack
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>>13367705
Ocelot isn't really in the game I don't know who that guy was but it wasn't Ocelot.
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>>13367778
>>13368268

Its so odd that they took out the warring factions mechanics from MGS4 and then set the games in conflict zones.
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wasn't there supposed to be some big taboo subject in 5
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>>13371268
Child soldiers maybe?
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>>13371268
Corporate greed
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>>13371274
Think breasts caused a bigger uproar than that.
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>>13371285
It's nice to know where some people's priorities lie.

>>13371263
It's so odd that they set a chunk of the game in Africa but you can't extract a fucking lion.
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The Metal Gear franchise is easily one of the most balls out retarded works of fiction ever devised by arguably human minds. The story makes no sense, the wacky setting and bouts of awkward humor completely clash with the serious tone and dark subject matter, the science is total bullshit, and (this is the big one for me) literally every single character is a total fucking moron. Seriously, it is a minor miracle any of these retards manage to dress themselves in the morning.

I find it frankly appalling that this franchise is so popular, when rightfully it should've ended after MGS 2. But apparently MG fans enjoy being told they're a bunch of soulless losers who mindlessly parrot every little thing their idols do. You people deserve disappointment if you're actually going to take that pretentious abuse like the bitches you are.

Also, the titular Metal Gears fade further and further into the background with each installment, which is lame. Fuck these games.
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>>13367465
It sucked shit. ST-84 isn't even a complete mecha and it needs another character that Kojima ruined to even run properly.
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>>13371237
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The best Gameplay I've ever had the pleasure to enjoy, and I can't really say that I didn't get my money's worth with 60-70 hours played.

But yeah the story just kinda ends suddenly with the horrible repeat of the tutorial mission, it would literally have been just as good if it was just a cutscene showing the altered/new scenes, since after you get out of bed and until Ocelot shows up literally nothing is different at all.

Also I fear that Konami is gonna retroactively make this game worse. They already made it much harder to unlock stuff without being online, and you now basically HAVE to put focus into your FOB, do revenge stuff, etc. I hope at some point when they are abandoning the game they patch it back to the values and increments that it was at launch.
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>>13371237
I dunno, the game never really has a triumphant moment that would've called for them to play this again.
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>yfw there are people sinking tons of their own money into FOB insurance for this game
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>>13371393
As outrageous as it is, someone is gonna do it, and it's gonna cost Konami dick bupkis to run that system. Even if it's only a 1000 people they don't give a fuck, it's money.
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>>13371344

Isn't kojima a fucking HACK !?
It's entertaining, and even as retarded as it is he nailed at least 2 or 3 thing in the story, but this will end just like with gundam haters, right ?
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>>13371575
Okay, I will admit Metal Gear has some good points. For all his droning long-winded dialogue that goes on forever, the series has plenty of subtle moments where a good deal of characterization is delivered without a single word. Really wish there was more of that.

Also, controversial opinion: The ending to MGS2 is brilliant. Until the Patriots start talking for fifteen straight minutes, then it becomes dumb again. Fuck memes, the "I need scissors 61" sequence is legitimately tense and makes total sense once we learn what the hell is going on. All the random twists and turns are clearly intentional as Raiden is just as speechlessly confused at all this convoluted whoreshit as the player is.

Again, too bad the Patriots ruin it by spending literally fifteen minutes explaining their relatively simple nature and goals. I might like this series more if it learned how to shut its fucking hole for once.
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>>13371575
Kojima is one of the best writers the medium has had. Up until MGS 2 that is. His genius is mainly evident in his early stuff - Snatcher, Policenauts, and Metal Gear up to MGS.

The problem with MGS 2 (and 4) is that by the end of MGS there was nothing else that could be done with Solid Snake's story. But the fans (and probably Konami) were screaming for a sequel, and even though after every single game in the franchise including Metal Gear 1 Kojima didn't intend to make any more, he kept on making them. So it gets progressively more ridiculous and convoluted.

With Metal Gear 1 through MGS 2, he was even making fun of them being sequels by making them literally the same thing, and in MGS 2 it's literally part of the plot that you're playing the same thing yet again.

3 escapes this a bit by going back in time, and is the last glimpse we saw of Kojima's potential beyond making the same game over and over. Seems like he was barely involved with PW and it's hard to talk about 5 since it was half done.
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>>13371676

>Genius

The most controversial word after "hitler"
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>>13371623
>Again, too bad the Patriots ruin it by spending literally fifteen minutes explaining their relatively simple nature and goals. I might like this series more if it learned how to shut its fucking hole for once.
Yeah, the expostiion in these games is always awkwardly placed and just as awkwardly delivered.
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>>13371623
Relatively simple?
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>>13367552
>dem hips
>dem thighs
So uh, any art of Metal Gear UNF?
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>>13367465
So when we getting MGS5?
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>best boy
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>>13371783
>its the story of what big boss was doing during V
no magic arms though...
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>>13371768
>"We are a group of A.Is who control America through economic and psychological manipulation. We think humans are too dumb to make their own decisions, so we're going to outright control human behavior itself via editing the Internet in real time."
DEEP.
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Paz still being alive really pisses me off.
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>>13371823
you funny man
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>>13371806
Name one plot that you can't render simple via gross generalizations.

>>13371823
hue
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>>13371834
She's on the medical platform. Unless that was one big shared hallucination between Big Boss, Miller, and Ocelot.

Or maybe it was just Big Boss's hallucination. Either way, it's fucking retarded and serves no purpose.
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>>13371842
>Name one plot that you can't render simple via gross generalizations.
Name one plot that absolutely requires the story to stop dead for fifteen minutes to explain what's going on.
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>>13371860
g reco?
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The problem I have with TPP comes with how Kojima executed the tv series format, in that Chapter 2 is essentially a season made up of recap episodes and of what little fresh content occurs there is actually pretty goddamn hype.

Chapter 2's highs all get offloaded into the side ops where you can't relive them on your terms, but gee if you wanted to rerun some main ops I guess you're in luck because FUCKING NONSTOP DIFFICULTY MODIFIER REHASH MISSIONS FOR DAYS.

Chapter 1 is a pretty good starting "season" to the game, yet is also way too WOW IT'S FUCKING NOTHING to stand on its own. It just really hurts to play through Chapter 2 and have it sour Chapter 1's higher points.

It's too hype for its own good. You're teased into Chapter 2 expecting crazy shit and instead you get told to fuck off.
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I liked the game it was pretty good.
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>>13371164
>updated firmware
if thats all it took to beat a current gen (anti) metal gear, reinforces how great rex is.
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>>13371851
Except the medic trying to will away the guilt from not finding the second bomb? You sure are dumb, anon. Play the fucking game.
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I'm just gonna post this and see what happens.
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>>13371932
Lusting Dinosaur?

Sexual Tyrannosaur?
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Remember when Metal Gear games had boss fights?
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>>13367552
rex>ray>butter in the floor>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>sahentukfdpos
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>>13371999
bitch please. sahelanthropus is best. only if Skull face would have let Huey finish it/
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>>13372019
The technology of the time was insufficient for the job.

Huey's pet project was a decade or so too early to work.
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>>13371676
>Kojima is one of the best writers the medium has had.

Please. Even fucking Avellone is a better writer than Kojima, and I hate Avellone.
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>>13372036
What tech? The AI tech? Miniaturization tech?
Though I figured out pretty early on that Mantis was making it move because he was there both the first times it did so, (the second one being after Huey said it couldn't move). I can't understand the relationship between Mantis and skullface, was he aware of Mantis at all? I figure he should have been since it followed his will completely empty and he could summon that man on fire at will seemingly, but then he's all surprised when liquid makes it move through Mantis but never ever direct his surprise at Mantis.
Basically I feel its weird that Skullface doesn't bat an eye at Huey saying Sahelanthropus can't move when Skullface had used it already.
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>>13372184

Avellone did a pretty good job on most of the quest he has written.

Also
>"I" hate someone, this means that someone else that is even worse for "ME must be shit "IN MY OPINION", which it's the generally approved opinion because "I" say so.
I hope you can see the pattern anon.
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>>13372290
The computer hardware was too damn big, and to upscale the design so as to account for 80's hardware would, if I recall right, introduce destabilizing flaws in the design.

The problem is that come the time the hardware would be sufficiently miniaturized that Sahelanthropus could be built without design compromise, the Cold War would be over and Huey would have little to take advantage of to justify building his pet Metal Gear. The post-Cold War climate would tell him to fuck off, especially if they find out about some of the more bullshit quirks of the design:

-it's literally a walking nuclear bomb, which is not a cool thing to be building in the post-Cold War years
-it utilizes biological agents for offensive capabilities not just limited to converting itself into a nuclear bomb, which would likely piss off people considering the attitudes held towards biological weapons (which are kinda banned under the BWC; it depends on how one interprets the archaea technology).

Also Skullface was blown away at the thought someone else was more driven by hate and revenge than he was. To quote:

>WAIT. WHO IS DOING THIS?
>SUCH A LUST FOR REVENGE... WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!?

He knew how Mantis worked, that he channeled rage and other negative feelings like a sort of psychic amplifier tethered to whomever happens to be the most butthurt person around him, but he didn't realize Eliquid was just that permanently butthurt.
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>>13372396
Still bothers me how exactly nobody acknowledges the physical presence of Manits, Ocelot never saw him right? He only gave his exposition in the tape. Even when Sahelanthropus floated away no one seemed to notice him. Did he have a corporeal form? Or perhaps only people whose rage he channeled could see him.
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>>13371768
looking back they really were right

please save us AI whatever the fuck you ares
we need it
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>>13371823
Finish the game, get all the photographs, show them to "Paz", and then we'll talk about it.
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Which MGS is your favorite /m/? mine is 2 or 3.
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>>13373197
Definitely 1.
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>>13367465
A meme game
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>>13373197
They're all good, but I don't particularly enjoy the act of playing MGS2.
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>>13372314

No it's not the general opinion. I just base everything on my opinion regardless of objective quality.
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I enjoyed it but I wish it hadn't been cut to hell by Konami or whatever.

Hopefully Kojima finds a nicer place to work.
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>>13373382
>Hopefully Kojima finds a nicer place to work.

So literally anywhere?

Capcom won't take him though. Not because I think they dislike him, but because they can't afford his budgets.
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>>13371999
Rex >Sahelanthropus > Ray >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Everything else
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COME AT ME BROS
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>>13373350

Then you have to explain why, if you don't it's just mindless hate to the one reading the comment.
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>>13373197
MGS1 for me and MGS4 a close second.
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I wonder what the next MGS game is going to be?
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>>13373197
Either 1 or 3 in the main series, and Ac!d 2 or Snake's Revenge outside of it. I like all of them though, except that shitty iPhone game.

>>13374413
I'm really hoping we get to see more of the era between MGS1's ending and the Tanker mission some day, Solid Snake and Otacon hopping place to place kicking bootleg REX ass is too cool a concept to not be a full game.
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>>13374413
I'm personally hoping for a Solidus game.
>training child Raiden
>CIA Agent that becomes president
>badass super armor that has tentacles
>Samurai swords
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>>13374413

Pachinko slot machine.
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>>13374413
A game that explains who Iroquois Plisken was and why he disappeared halfway through 2.
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>>13374545
No, he was still in 2, and 4 for that matter.
He just took on Solid Snake's name to combat the Patriots and the world.
Kinda like what Ocelot did in 4 and the medic did in V.
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>>13374545
He was a Delta Team Operator who couldn't keep pace with Raiden and eventually Solid Snake. There's nothing more to him then that.,

imagine he probably got deep sixed by a generic Spetnaz soldier and that's why he disappeared.
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Amazing stealth game that I never thought would work.

Shitty Metal Gear Solid game
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>>13374545
>Snake framed for the sinking of the tanker and killing hundreds of marines.
>goes into hiding
>while laying low, trying to figure out what, where and why Ocelot took the stolen metal gear ray
>found the metal gear via information fed to them (most likely La Li Lu Le Lo/Patriots)
>Raiden and Snake infiltrates around the same time due influences of Patriots in the scheme of having the president getting kidnapped but not really.
>no Metal Gear invovled during that time frame
Why make a Metal gear game about nothing???
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My second least favourite MGS game, slightly just ahead of 4. Just slightly.
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>>13374621
Snake died aboard the tanker though
>most likely La Li Lu Le Lo/La Li Lu Le Lo
Why'd you write La Li Lu Le Lo twice?
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At least the memes were good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KndXKm7Po8k
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>>13371391
They might have had a chance to had konami not shit the bed and cut the game off halfway.
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>>13373517

I think Avellone tries too hard with shitting on things in settings he doesn't like, generally through the lazy route of creating mouthpiece characters that you can never prove wrong.

But even that being said, he still writes general characters better and more believably than Kojima.
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>>13373197
MGSV is the only metal gear game I have ever played (excluding Rising that is) Shit is wacky as fuck, I can't wait to play the other games.
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>>13372515
pretty sure they acknowledge him while you shoot him to fulton out volgin during that fight.

You did fulton out volgin, didn't you anon? You aren't a casual, are you?
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>>13369203
>monotonous open-world side ops requiring you to drive around for hours only completing a few side ops, it made actually listening to the casette tapes an extremely uncomfortable shift in action from constantly moving around and doing stuff to sitting in a cockpit for large lengths just listening to audio tape

You know you can listen to tapes in the field? Why were you not listening to them while driving around the open world? Both problems solved!
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>>13371220

I hear we were supposed to be able to pilot the Battle Gear, which is why there was so much build up to it. But it got cut.
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>>13371997

There were boss fights in this game. The Burning Man. Eli. SahalanIcan'tspellthename. The Sniper Mists and the Armor Mists.
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>>13375210
Yes I fultoned Volgin, but Venom Snake was alone there, It seems like Snake talks about Mantis with with Ocelot and Ocelot believes that Snake has seen him, especially since Ocelot seems familiar with the soviet paranormal research while Snake seems doubtful of the whole thing. But the only time Ocelot could have seen him is when they gundamjack sahelanthropus right?
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>>13375260
The only other time I could imagine would be maybe during the hospital escape, I can't remember. But yeah, during the man on fire fight either Kaz or Ocelot do make some kind of exclamation about kid mantis, but obviously that's only from what silent snake is telling them.

I wonder how much in this game can potentially be attributed to brain damage.
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Anyone have that picture of the different looks mantis takes up depending on whos rage hes leeching off of?
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>>13375288
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>>13375441
Thanks bud
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>>13375441
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>>13374641
Nanomachines son
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Isn't this in the 70's? I'm not really a MSG player, but I've played big chunks. How is there a bipedal metal gear that seems to outclass the Rex? Why wouldn't Rex use this crazy current design?
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>>13377684
>How is there a bipedal metal gear that seems to outclass the Rex?
it doesn't really work
young Mantis makes it work
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>>13377684
1984. Refer to >>13368659
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>>13377686
>>13377692
Thanks. I accept this because Kojima. Is it some sort of man and machine possession? I get the "programming" to balance and move the machine is far beyond the time, while making the parts seems easy by comparison. Some sort of neural interface for mantis? is this connected tech to Snake's arm control?
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>>13377736
>Some sort of neural interface for mantis? is this connected tech to Snake's arm control?

No, Snake's Arm was made by a bionics specialist completely unrelated to the Sahelanthropus project.
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>>13377736
Mantis is reading the memory cards off of sahelanthropus to move it
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>>13377736
Ghost kid (really, we call him Psycho Mantis but there's never an official confirmation that's who he is, just to clarify) essentially gets hijacked by the will of whomever is the most angry person near him. Skullface takes advantage of that to puppetmaster a few things, all the way up to Sahelanthropus itself. The real bottleneck to the whole thing is that given the technology of the 80's, there's no way to make a manned Metal Gear of Sahelanthropus' specifications without having to resort to using a child as a pilot. The AI subsystems that deal with posture control and other passive aspects of bipedal locomotion, itself enabled by some incredibly crazy technology empowered by engineered variants of microbes known as archaea, occupy so much space that, even with any optimizations provided by resident AI expert Dr. Strangelove, the design just won't work, and Skullface mandated that it be a human-controllable design so as to not have a repeat of the Peace Walker incident wherein a ghost in the machine manifests and exerts its own will over the designed objective of the machine. I recall remote control systems being in the works, but eventually Skullface just gained control of shota Mantis and he was all "fuck you, it's good enough."
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>>13377736
No, nothing that advanced. The kid is just physically moving the thing using psychic powers.
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>>13377806
Hoo boy, hadn't played Peace Walker. Persuing an idea of what the Peace Walker incident is, I went to the MGSwiki and found what seems to be the early inspiration for metal gear Rex. Man these games know how to link story.
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>>13378095
>early inspiration for REX

Not really. REX was specifically designed to target and shoot down incoming nukes with its railgun as a defensive measure, according to Otacon.

Peace Walker was built as an automatic override of US national missile defense. The idea was that if one side launched nukes, the other wouldn't because the person knew if they pressed the button to retalitate, they'd be known as the man who doomed humanity to near-extinction. So PW was built to take out the idea of human error, and have a machine that would take over our launch systems and automatically launch our nukes when it has detected that the other side launched theirs.
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>>13378120
Or to put it in other terms, remember in Dr Strangelove when the president says "I will not go down in history as the greatest mass-murderer since Adolf Hitler!" when asked about retaliation? Huey believed that that mindset meant a country was free to nuke without fear of retaliation because the other side might think that about pressing the button.
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>>13378120
Haha thanks for the summary I got to the PW page and realized I don't have an hour to scour for the headline events out of the waist-deep narrative. I walked away with this monster hunter DLC joke. I was aware REX was really just a nuclear weapon platform. Or at least capable of payload delivery. There was a nuclear warhead salvaged from REX's railgun just before Snake reaches it in MSG4.
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Hope you guys didn't like using your Golden Arm or Sniper Wolf costumes lol
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>>13378218

I already have them. What about them?

I never used them anyway
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>>13367465
fucking orbital frame rip off
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>>13378238
The most recent patch, which came out earlier today, removed them from the game.
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>>13378239

Is it a ripoff when Shinkawa designed both?
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>>13378242

Why remove the Golden Arm? It doesn't actually DO anything.

If it was the stun arm or rocket arm, yeah I'd be pissed.
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>>13378251
So they can re-release the arm and Quiet outfit as DLC later on, or possibly as MGO costumes for the latter.
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>>13378242
>The most recent patch, which came out earlier today, removed them from the game.
hahaha holy shit
and there's still some battered wives who'll defend this shit probably
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>>13378254

Do I get my GMP back?

Who am I kidding, I don't
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>>13378095
The lore of the MGSverse is crazy. It's also kinda impressive how it retains itself and yet also provides reasonably plausible tech shifts even when the prequel shit goes full 20th century scifi.

The iDroid, for example. The use of holographic projection gives it the advantage of not having its display bottlenecked by the body dimensions of the device as in modern smart devices, and yet it has only limited standalone functionality. It simply combines a radio set with a GPS system, with some minor intel aggregation features included (the laser scanner is admittedly pretty fucking impressive, and that's without wondering if it has built in OCR or if the data is handled by intel agents to feed back to the device). It is more akin to a remote terminal than it is a true smart device like today's phones.
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>>13378288
I can accept (most of) the tech of MSG one through four quite easily. All the rule of cool, somewhat trite world building, constant scenes adding on spoonfuls of fluff into deadends; still works in those games. When I look into the side items it gets more ridonkulous. Snake's suit seemed like it's a decade ahead of our time even in 70's/80's pieces. But hey, that's the nitro boost they hide under the surface of every single game. Even the cover of MSGV they turn the crazy side of Snake's face away from the viewer.
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>>13378288

Also, smartphone tech has actually been around for like 30 years. It's just been sitting there in basements in Silicon Valley until Apple found them.
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>>13378449
By my count it'd be 20-23, with the appearance of PDAs.
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>>13374413
A game about the Boss with the ability to use any member of the Cobra Unit as buddies. Detailing her training with the Philosophers, her time in WWII, and everything after leading up to Snake Eater.
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>>13378449
see
>>13378524
PDA market lost out to laptop and cell phones. Experimental cell phones lost out and got better as laptops progressed. Then we got to 2008/09 when specialized tablets go big and apple releases on a sure thing in 2010.
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>>13378242
That's fucking retarded, but it's not like I could/would use them anyway.
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>>13378242
>got rid of golden arm
b-but thats muh arm when I'm not using Jehuty. it matches my gold D walker and helicopter.
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Does the Sniper Wolf costume even do anything?
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>>13378592
No, and neither did the arm. But they looked nice.
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Why you gotta play a brother like this, Konami?
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>>13378634
can we zip up the boss's costume? cause that'd be cool. pointless to show off the boobs without the snake scar.
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>>13378557
'07 with the gen1 iPhone, first and foremost.

And when that device succeeded where PDAs durdled, begun the smartphone wars had.

Though that discounts the presence of RIM and their ever popular BlackBerry. The scene was really only for business folk (Crackberry addicts and Treofags, as I remember them) and people trying to be hip and special with their Sidekicks and their Nokias and so on. And then when Apple made smart devices mainstream there was the whole awkward period before Android happened where everyone tried making their own iPhone killer. From Motorola fashion phones to LG brickbars, and then Apple goes off and strips the phone out and bam there's the iPod touch reviving the PDA market under the guise of a PMP... except not entirely because not many companies care to play the PMP game because people would rather have the phone tacked on than not.

And this is before the tablet scene kicks off with its iPads and Galaxy tabs and Surfaces and where the fuck is Wacom during all of this, you'd think they'd want in on the tablet market no?
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>>13378641
The scar is there.
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>golden arm is gone.
>Google image searching this number brings up pictures of metal gears
God I hate Kojima sometimes
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>just checked PS4 for gold arm removal
>still there
PC Only?
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>>13378661
Blackberry was one of the few good, proper smartphone prior to the iphone. You had good phones as data networks launch (Proliferation of flip phones from 04-08) and people started using their phones as music players and basic browsers could get you places. I'd only credit apple with really building the tablet market because they had the luxury of seeing others fail and have people wanting more out of their phones. They struck when it was hot. The two years before ipads you had nooks and kindles doing well and the occasional off brand. Tablet industry froze in 13 since most people who wanted tablets had one, and new ones were marginally better. Now we're in a new flux where tablets are able to run your life. Wacom lead the way so long in device interaction their design nuances became common demand. Wacom put a lot of money in during the PDA days and got little/no return. They probably shyed away again when the tablets that caught on were black and white readers with no touch functions.
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>>13375495

Why people do this shit ?
You can't be over 15-16 if you come up with this.

>>13378713

He will start posting a lot of tweets when he will be hired by a big studio.
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What will this outfit do in MGSV? fancy damage resistance, sneaking abilities, both, or nothing?
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>>13379138
Well it's just another sneak suit, so I'd guess they'd copy paste the abilities from the other two onto it and call it a day
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>>13379138
>What will this outfit do in MGSV?
make Konami money
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>>13367465
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I'm still disappointed that Huey didn't hijack Battle Gear after developing it and reveal that he was the real villain of the game all along, using our resources to create a weapon to defeat us and retake his metal gear from XOF.
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>>13378120
>REX was specifically designed to target and shoot down incoming nukes with its railgun as a defensive measure, according to Otacon.

i wouldnt go saying it was specifically design as a counter measure.
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>>13379190
that would have been cool. imo Huey really got shit on in this game, He was so broken and confused I never knew what he was doing or whether or not he was sane.
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>>13379163
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>>13378120
I remember Otacon says that it's equipped with a TMD Missile Module.
Theatre Missile Defense, that is, which is anti-missile missiles. I don't remember him saying that the railgun was intended to be anti-missile.
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>>13378254
>DLC later on
So you haven't heard, then...
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>>13379323
Are there anti-anti-missile missiles?
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>>13379327
Heard what?
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>>13379337
Konami is dropping out of the video game market, most of the MGSV staff was laid off or shuffled to other short-term projects. There's a rumor that Bandai or Namco (I forget which) will buy the MGS franchise from Konami at the start of next year, but Konami is done with it.
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>>13379363
>konami stopped making AAA games.
wasn't this proven false?
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>>13379388
There was a twitter post by some underling who apparently hadn't heard about it yet, but I'd hardly call that "proven false".
Weigh that against Konami giving Kojima the boot and tell me what you think.
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>>13379402
>giving Kojima the boot
didn't he waste millions on pointless stuff during MGSV and didn't even finish it? I love Kojima but thats a decent reason to fire someone.
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>>13379438
>didn't even finish it?
That's because they fired him. MGS is one of the best known video game franchises out there, and they shitcanned the creator. Why? Because the game wasn't going to be profitable enough. They literally cut their losses and pressed what they had onto disc to recoup what they can of their investment, knowing full well that they'd get flak for the game not being complete.
I'm actually indifferent to Kojima, my favorite MGS game is still the one he didn't make (Portable Ops) but if even MGS isn't going to be profitable enough for Konami to support, what makes you think they're still willing to invest in more games from lesser franchises or new IPs?
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>>13379469
same here! Portable Ops was great!
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Fucking love Hand of Jehuty. curse you Kojima for teasing me with ZoE stuff.

why no ZoE box? MGS2 ZoE box was best
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>>13379529
Does it actually let you use Wisp?

Because that sounds hideously broken in MGS.
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>>13379577

It has short range unless you upgrade it but you can grab ranged enemies and teleport them in front of you, yeah.

Once you upgrade it it gets really useful.
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>>13379163
Nah, it's clearly a Gouf variant with that heat whip.
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>>13378242

Wait, why?
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>>13379469
Let's not forget some other important things Konami's been a shitcase about, like abandoning Gradius, PT and the subsequent scorched earth policy against people who had it, and all the rumors about the shit they put people through internally.

Part of me wants to believe it's all an elaborate ruse and we'll get MGSV free DLC when Kojima comes on stage at E3 as Punished Kojima and we'll all laugh about it in the end. But the odds of that get more incredibly unlikely as time goes on.
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>>13379259
It's rough knowing we'll never get a Huey boss fight in Batlle Gear with quotes like
>How do you like THESE legs?
>You're nothing but tools to me!
>From up here, you don't look so big!

I feel like there was a lot of potential for his betrayal to make him into a fun adversary. Instead he was just kind of a shitbag the whole time.
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>>13379936
>it's all an elaborate ruse
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>>13379959

That is the more batshit crazy game theory related to development i've ever read in my life.
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>>13379323
the railgun had ICBM countermeasures as otacon said, but the rail gun was built to throw other projectiles which we all know what for. i think the countermeasure was a way to get otacon to work on it without having a guilty conscious, but later he realize it was also being using for the opposite.
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>>13379936

It's really unlikely it's a ruse. Yes, Kojima is an epic troll, but even his ruses have a lot of holes in it.

Remember the whole Moby Dick Studios? People pretty quickly figured out that Joakim is an anagram of Kojima. You can't keep this kind of a ruse on for long.

This messy divorce with Konami is real. I just hope now Kojima will go to another studio, and finally make another ZoE, even if he has to rename it something else.
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>>13379585

And Snake yells HAIDARA when you do it.
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>>13373197
1 or 3. Both are pretty great, and each one has its own charms and weaknesses.

Special mentions for GZ and the Tanker chapter/VR Missions from MGS2 which were also loads of fun.

>>13374503
>I'm really hoping we get to see more of the era between MGS1's ending and the Tanker mission some day, Solid Snake and Otacon hopping place to place kicking bootleg REX ass is too cool a concept to not be a full game.
Fucking this.

If the timeline is happy to jump backwards and forwards on a whim, I don't see any reason for this not to happen.

Better yet, a partial remake of MGS2 where you play as Snake during the Plant chapter would be a nice finishing touch.

>>13374517
A Solidus game might be neat as long he didn't turn out to be too much like Big Boss.
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>>13371228
Peace walker came out after 4
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>>13379190
>>13379259
Poor Huey
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>>13375441
Whoa wait, when does he channel Venom Snake? The only one of these I caught was Eli's beret.
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>>13381299
>I just hope now Kojima will go to another studio, and finally make another ZoE, even if he has to rename it something else
You can get into legal trouble for that sort of thing if it's too blatant, if we're including gameplay. Some guy who worked on the NES/SNES Fire Emblem games went to some other company and made a Not Fire Emblem game for PS1 and got sued, IRC.
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>>13381805
Which game is it?
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>>13379959
What even is that
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>http://kotaku.com/konami-denies-hideo-kojima-has-left-says-hes-on-vacat-1737501388
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>>13381956
>linking shit
https://archive.is/d7Ukq
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>>13381928
Looks like a set of file cabinets inside a large safe.

Yeah, I don't understand, either.
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>>13381956
>kotaku
fuck off and die you worthless piece of shit
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>>13381960
apparently some crazy people are trying to hunt down real world locations mentioned in 5 to find the secret of the hidden secrets of whatever
one of them snuck into a building and took pictures

I read about them over at https://kiwifar.ms/threads/r-neverbegameover-bat-shit-insane-metal-gear-solid-conspiracy-theorists.13227/
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>>13381962

I don't like kotaku either, but holy shit aren't you a kid ?
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Where do I go to get the PS4 dlc costumes? and how much?
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It's very easy to write I don't see how you people have problems with it.

Try using a basic ESL technique that they teach to help with large words.

Break up the sounds in your mind so you can learn to pronounce and write it.

SAHEL
ANTHRO
PUSSY

SAHELANTHROPUSSY.

It's the easiest Metal Gear name to write by far, if you think about it.
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>>13367465
I couldn't kill motherfuckers with the freaking Battle Gear.

1/10
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>>13382056
I liked how in the nip audio they just called it Sa-he-lan-trops. Way easier to remember.
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>>13382056

I really liked the design so I learned how to spell and say it.

Sahelanthropus~
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>>13379323
While the game doesn't really talk about the railgun within the context of TMD (a job more explicitly linked to that missile module on REX), at some point I believe there's mention of the railgun being a miniaturized development of tech researched for the Strategic Defense Initiative.

To quote Wikipedia on the real world basis
>Research out of hypervelocity railgun technology was done to build an information base about rail guns so that SDI planners would know how to apply the technology to the proposed defense system. The SDI rail gun investigation, called the Compact High Energy Capacitor Module Advanced Technology Experiment (CHECMATE), had been able to fire two projectiles per day during the initiative. This represented a significant improvement over previous efforts, which were only able to achieve about one shot per month. Hypervelocity rail guns are, at least conceptually, an attractive alternative to a space-based defense system because of their envisioned ability to quickly shoot at many targets. Also, since only the projectile leaves the gun, a railgun system can potentially fire many times before needing to be resupplied.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategic_Defense_Initiative#Hypervelocity_Rail_Gun_.28CHECMATE.29
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>>13368800
It is GOTY though. That's how shit this year was in gaming.
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>>13381956
>“Currently, Kojima is a listed as a company employee [at Konami].”

Yeah no shit, his contract doesn't expire until the end of the year. Doesn't mean he isn't being canned.
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>>13382917
wow it's like they're a shitty website that basically makes shit up or something
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>>13382830

Mmmm nah, even with its flaws I'd probably still give it to XCX
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>>13382922

That was a quote from Konami though. I'm just saying that the statement isn't wrong, it's just that it doesn't mean anything.
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>>13382931
>take quote that's obviously wrong
>run with it as your lead
lolgawker
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>>13382102
>The SDI rail gun investigation, called the Compact High Energy Capacitor Module Advanced Technology Experiment (CHECMATE)

Fukuda pls
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>>13382944

We do that all the time. It's just easier to remember when it makes a word
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>>13368739
But it's definitely an Orbital Frame.
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>>13383211

If an OF was slow, shitty, poorly armored, couldn't fly, and the cockpit wasn't in the dick region, yes.
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>just bought MGS 3 sneaking suit
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>>13369987
Literal plot armor
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>>13384131
>armor made of paper where fictional plots are written on
That's not very impressive.
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>>13369987
>9 years later still had the best capability to launch nuclear undetected and no counter measures for its balistics.
And hilariously ZEKE used the same launch system 30 years earlier.
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>>13385102
IIRC, Zeke had a railgun, and its nuke was a hydrogen bomb that it could self-detonate but wasn't launchable?
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>>13374719
Metal Gear always makes the best memes.
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>>13385194
Paz was going to launch a nuke though. They took the warhead from PW's missile and installed it on ZEKE. Apparently they just left the giant warhead in that bulb sitting in the Caribbean.
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>>13387706
MSF went in and grab it before the pick up crew came to get PW. It was Kaz's idea.
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>>13385194
the rails is used with standard munitions much like Sahelanthropus, ZEKE had ICBMs.
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>>13367552
>Rex head on Gundam
This shit is so ugly.
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>>13379529
>tfw they drop ghost decoy thing from P.T.
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>well of course MGSV's plot is dogshit, Metal Gear plots never made any sense anyway ;D

when will this fucking meme die out

saying this shit is the fastest way of showing that you've either never played some of the older games or just didn't pay attention
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>>13385102

Zeke's wasn't undetectable though.
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>>13388369
I thought the entire point of ZEKE was "If you fire a nuke anywhere we'll fire one right back at you"?
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>>13388342

I thought the plot was fine. The problem was we didn't get much plot at all.
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>>13388437
i suppose the plot was solid for the first 3 hours then it just died for me. there was no plot development at all after that- its just triggering events after playing enough missions and/or side missions. is that a mechanic for triggering plot development? if so that is not appealing at all.
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will there ever be a ZOE 3? or a reboot at least?
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>>13388692
Yeah. It'll be a Pachinko machine though.
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>>13389214
better than nothing ;_; a phone os game might fun fun with ZoE.
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>>13381972
What's with the reddit spider?
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>>13387754
Yes, and that was the warhead on PW's ballistic missile. It had two nukes, one in the portable silo for launching and an enormous hydrogen warhead in the bulb for self-destructing.

Paz was going to launch the normal warhead at the US to incriminate Big Boss and MSF, not walk across the Mexican border and blow herself up.
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>>13389920
>the reddit spider?
the who with the what?
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>>13389920
>>13390265
Maybe a way to get around being unable to access Reddit directly from workplaces/countries/etc. where it's blocked?
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>>13388258
this was meant for this>>13385102
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>>13390353
So where was it going to launch the ICBM from, its ass? ZEKE doesn't have any long range missiles equipped. The only way it could possibly launch anything at long distance was the railgun.
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>>13388300
>Rex head on Orbital Frame

fix'd
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>>13390373
>So where was it going to launch the ICBM from, its ass
you'd be surprised, oh the irony. here's google my friend.
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=+metal+gear+zeke
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>>13392411
oh dear, forgot picture.
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>>13369987
If Rex is better, how come it doesn't transform?
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>>13393289
It doesn't need to.
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>>13393289
>needing to transform
for what reasons does it need to transform?
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>>13392424
How the fuck is that tiny silo supposed to launch an ICBM
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>>13393537
How the fuck does a metal gear metal gear in the first place.
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>>13393568
Nanomachines
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>>13393591

>>13393537
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>>13369646
>https://a.pomf.cat/vxvhor.webm
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>>13369646
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>>13375441
Holy shit, his eyes look spooky as shit.
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I hate the FOB thing.
Stealing shit from people is wrong.
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>>13367465
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>>13374413

It's gonna be about Solidus and Armstrong.
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>>13394017
Get FOB insurance, fag.

>>13394550
>we'll never get a game about a pregnant Boss punching Nazis in the face
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>>13379205
Otacon made REX, but I don't know how much he knew about the railgun or that it could launch nuclear warheads. He clearly didn't know about the stealth warhead and that REX could be used for nukes. He states that the missile pods on top of the rail gun could be used for TMD, not that the rail gun was made for or even could perform in a TMD mission.
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>>13396897
>paying to secure virtual resources

sure bub

Now really, I know some people love FOBs, but the way Konami is handling it (making it mandatory in the campaign, storing resources online to prevent people from playing offline and getting microtransaction dynamics in it) is really devious. PvP should never be an obligation in a game where the focus is the offline mode, let people kill themselves at MGO. I want to hunt soviets, not play Clash of Clans version Mother Base
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>>13397183
>Otacon made REX
you forget who is the original Soviet scientist Aleksandr Leonovitch Granin. Yeah, there's no way otacon would make a nuclear capable bipedal tank, but the captors and the original designs said otherwise. they probably hand fed him info saying it does one thing when captors had ulterior motives.
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>>13398723
The Emmerichs may not be original, but they are not 100% hacks.
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