was this a good movie? was it a good godzilla movie?

It was a mediocre Godzilla movie, but an okay Aaron Taylor Johnson running away from shit film.

Seriously, the G-Man is like a secondary character.

>>13305801
>Seriously, the G-Man is like a secondary character.

That's honestly the case in a lot of Godzilla movies

>>13305801
>>13305804
Remember King Caesar's movie? Godzilla has less than six minutes of screentime and almost all of it is in the fight at the end.

>>13305804
>>13305816
Sure, but this was supposed to be a Godzilla movie and Godzilla isn't even the subject of the film.
It's those stupid looking MUTOs.

Plus this has been talked to death, but aside from Ken Watanabe (and Bryan Cranston who has like a glorified cameo), all the human characters sucked.
Just the usual cliched disaster movie fodder. In all honesty it feels more like a Roland Emmerich film than his version of Godzilla did.

>>13305793
the one way they could fuck this up was not give godzilla enough screentime, and that's exactly what happened.

>>13305829
I liked '98 Godzilla

>>13305829
>aside from Ken Watanabe (and Bryan Cranston who has like a glorified cameo), all the human characters sucked.
Pretty much. I certainly wouldn't have complained as much if those two were the ones who were more actively involved. Instead of the son coincidentally being wherever Godzilla is.

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We could turn this into a Giant Monsters General if nobody minds.

What's going on with Kong: Skull Island? I heard Legendary got the rights and are rebooting the franchise. Anyone hype for that?

Pacific Rim 2 dead or not? I hope they make the animated series as good as the Godzilla cartoon from the late 90's.

>>13305801
I watched Godzilla vs. Biollante right after I got home from seeing Godzilla 2014.

He had about the same screentime in both movies.

>>13305852
I would have preferred it if they kept the kid actor in the son's role. He was way better in his 5 minutes of screentime than Kick-Ass..

>>13305829
>Plus this has been talked to death, but aside from Ken Watanabe (and Bryan Cranston who has like a glorified cameo), all the human characters sucked.

so it was a typical godzilla film

>>13305865
I think the problem isn't so much Godzilla's screentime as it is that the director thinks it'd be a great idea to show closeups of his back all the time and obscuring him with water and other shit.

Which was fucking pointless.
Plus they never even had the classic camera perspective when Godzilla fought.
It was all bullshit POV shots from the annoying soldier.

>>13305861
>Pacific Rim 2 dead or not?

probably yeah

I was not a fan of the MUTOs at all. For a start, I felt like the inclusion of a monster besides Godzilla at this point was a bad move, especially since the film is simply titled "Godzilla". Have him be the monster for a bit. My main issue with them though is that there was no artistic cohesion between them and Godzilla. They looked directly lifted another film with a vastly different art direction, and then just plonked next to Godzilla.

>>13306364
I agree.
But on the other hand the point might have been to have Godzilla beat up modern,edgy movie monsters and show them who's boss.
Because those MUTOs sure looked a hell of a lot like Gigan fucked the Cloverfield monster and this came out of that unholy union.

>>13305793
I like the massive EVA reference in it

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>>13306455
Why don't you just fuck off.

It's not about how much screentime Godzilla gets. It's about how well the parts where Godzilla is on screen are used.

Godzilla 2014 was a mediocre piece by an overhyped director. Meandering and boring at some points and overbearing and cliched at others.

>>13305793
I actually really liked the MUTOs and what they did with Godzilla. Boring bland soldier man could have had 3/4 of his screentime cut and nothing would be lost. And fuck the amount of times the director thought it would be a good idea to cut to bland soldier's wife looking worried.

>>13306455
>Nothing on the chart indicates the length of the movies.
>Chart make no distinction between travel or destruction scenes.

2014 was nearly an hour to half an hour longer than the japanese movies.

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Let's just say it was very obvious what the Navy asked in return for letting them shoot on their boats.

>>13305861
PR2 is actually dead. Universal fucked it by bailing out of Crimson Peak due to its R rating, forcing Legendary to foot the bill themselves.
>we're not going to pay for a HORROR movie unless it's PG-13!

Its only hope of being revived is if Crimson Peak does gangbusters. Horror movies usually do really well, but that's largely because they can be made for peanuts. Crimson Peak's $55m before marketing. At least it's actually being marketed, though.

>>13306648

Well, guess I'm going to Crimson Peak then. Not usually a horror fan but it's Del Toro and probably relies more on atmosphere than shock and gore like most horror movies these days.

>>13305793
It was faithful enough for me to consider it a Godzilla movie but it's on the lower end of the spectrum when it comes to them. One of my biggest issues is Godzilla himself just feels kinda there, the whole plot is revolved around the other monsters making Godzilla's presence almost non existent.

>>13305829
>Sure, but this was supposed to be a Godzilla movie and Godzilla isn't even the subject of the film.

That's not the problem.

The problem is like you said, the human characters aren't interesting. The humans are ALWAYS the focus in Godzilla movies, but generally they're humans you care about.

>>13305793
>was this a good movie?
god no
>was it a good godzilla movie?
Having only seen the original and vs Biollante, fuck no, this was shit.

>>13306618
>Nothing on the chart indicates the length of the movies.
Because it doesnt matter at all? It's a proportions chart.

>>13307711

Actually it kinda does when you're watching it.

The average Godzilla movie is only an hour and a half long. I think the longest before 14 was Final Wars at 2 hours. 2014 was a 2 and a half hour movie. That means that even if proportionately it can be the same, it's still another hour your ass is in the seat before Godzilla does shit.

>>13306455
>Here be numbers
>Make up your own interpretations of what they mean

This is basically how statistics works, eh?

>>13307705
Really? You cared about the cookie cutter characters from any of the originals? Out of the thirty some name me five off the top of your head.

>>13307711
When I was a one year old, one year was 100% of my life, now that I am 25 a year is 1/25 of my life. Does it make the things I do now less meaningful because it is a fraction of my time this far?

>>13307733

Ok but I'm terrible at Japanese names, I'm a faces person.

Serizawa obviously, but that's cheating.
The reporter girl MC from GMK whose father was an SDF commander and the movie was basically about her
The girl in Caesar that THE WHOLE FUCKING PLOT REVOLVED AROUND GODDAMN MOVIE FOCUS ON SOMETHING ELSE
The 2 scientists in Megalon
Not-Neo

>>13307755
No, but those are two different measures.
overall time is absolute and percentaje is relative, the chart is relative, not absolute.

I can counter that example too, if I make a 48 hour long movie where godzilla appears 3 hours, it's still there more time than any other movie, but you have to deal with 45 hours without it.

>>13307733
>cookie cutter
You mean the ones that are 60 year old?

>>13307789
>60 years old
>cookie cutter

Serizawa in the original movie is a more complex character than what's found in 90% of anime today, even the good ones.

>>13307833
Well, yeah, but even if he werent, he can't be cookie cutter since it's older than most characters that anon probably knows.

I thought it was a good movie, and that it was probably the best Godzilla you could expect from someone who probably grew up hearing that Destroy All Monsters was the best entry in the series. I got the impression that the people who worked on the movie drew heavily from DAM for the human perspective, and took advantage of the fresh start to go wild with a new monster.

Godzilla 2 will have the following, confirmed.
>Same director, Gareth Edwards
>Rodan
>Mothra
>King Ghidorah
>Destroy All Monsters vibe
>Much more Godzilla action

http://godzilla.wikia.com/wiki/Godzilla_2

>>13307758
I mean you did a good job summarizing the plots and giving me the idea you had seen the movies some time in the past, but where are all these characters you care so much about?
>>13307783
Yeah but you don't understand that how you spend those 45 hours could make it the best damn Godzilla movie ever made. An example is something like Enter the Dragon, nobody cares about the story they just want to see Bruce Lee kick ass. And his fight scenes helped revolutionize fight choreo in films ever since.

>>13307872
Old=\= original character creation

>>13308013
I enjoy the characters and care what happens to them because I get way too personally invested in movies, even when said movie is bad.

Except the girl in Caesar, fuck her.

My point is more that 14's lead is way too bland

>>13305926
Go watch 1954.

>>13308926
>>13308926

1954 is hardly a typical Godzilla film

I really liked it. I'm not hardcore into Godzilla, I watch a lot when I was little. Godzilla is a bit secondary, but with all the disaster porn movies out you just get tired of shit crashing. This was a nice change of pace and the human story was good. Could of used more godzilla.

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>>13309726
>human story was good
Now this is shit taste.

>>13309774
I bet you still watch anime.

The problem with the Godzilla-parts of 2014 didn't have much to do with how much of Godzilla there was, or how often he was on the screen. It had more to do with every single time he did appear on the screen, there is a big build up of Godzilla about to do something, and then it just cuts away. I can't think of another Godzilla movie that just teases you and teases you and dangles your monster right in front of your nose, and then never delivers on the Godzilla until the final climax.

>>13308014
It's definitely closer than new.

>>13308013
> An example is something like Enter the Dragon, nobody cares about the story they just want to see Bruce Lee kick ass. And his fight scenes helped revolutionize fight choreo in films ever since.
Yeah, so the parts that everyone wanted to see are the relevant ones. That proves me right if anything.

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>>13309786
Wait... you're on /m/. An anime board. What the fuck do you watch?

the real question is whether anno's godzilla will be good

>>13310254
What if his Godzilla movie suddenly turns into Rebuild 4.0 halfway through?

>>13310330
would be okay with this tbh

i certainly enjoyed it, and that is the qualifier of a "good movie" for me

What is it that makes the older Godzilla movies so awesome and how come all the new ones suck?

>>13310453
nostalgia

>>13310129
If you check /m/ confessions you'll see plenty of people here actually don't really like anime. I'm mostly here for cool pictures because I like futurisms.

>>13310453
Rubber suits.

>>13306455
I see you posted this chart again now please fix it to show how much of that screen time is of fight scenes and not just godzilla standing around doing jack shit, once you do that godzilla 2014 would be a lot lower, because in the other godzilla films once the fight started you saw most of it, it did not cut away every 2 seconds

>>13305829
>aside from Ken Watanabe (and Bryan Cranston who has like a glorified cameo), all the human characters sucked
This.
Only good characters are the minor ones. Seriously, Watanabe only shows for a few scenes to lay down some exposition and fucks off and Cranston, holy fuck, don't get me started on that. It's all your "generic True American Soldier against big bad Original Monster of the week" crap.
The title hero of the whole goddamn movie is a side character too, fucking MUTO this, MUTO that.
Underwhelming to say the least (and I wasn't expecting much).

>>13305865
>I watched Godzilla vs. Biollante right after I got home from seeing Godzilla 2014.
What's your opinion on it, if I may ask?

>>13305829
>>13310609
>Stared into the distance with his mouth open every scene
Acting.

>>13310674
You best not be talkin shit bout Biorrante, you little bitch.

>>13310453
Hardly any cool new monsters being introduced. We had what like three or four introduced in the millennium era?

>>13311597
Hopefully anno's godzilla introduces a new monster, if it has more than just Godzilla in it.

>>13305793
No, and no. As a Godzilla movie it was lacking in Godzilla, and as a movie it was just so boring.

>>13306743
Yeah also there will probably be some dope costumes that are pretty unsettling. Like that fucking eye hand guy from Pan's Labyrinth.

>>13310333
what if Rebuild 4.0 turned into a Godzilla movie halfway through?

>>13307964
>>Destroy All Monsters vibe
So more pointless and tedious human bullshit with a handful of very brief monster scenes throughout and a Ghidorah gang rape scene at the end?

Eh, it was a mid-tier Goji film. Still a hell of a lot better than that 1998 abomination and I'll be damned if Big G unleashing the atomic breath wasn't the hypest thing I've seen in theaters this past decade.

>>13314478
This pretty much. It was a couple of decent but short monster scenes surrounded by a muddy marsh of unremarkable dullness.

Yeah, it had "muh Godzilla" in it, which made some fans jump around in joy because it pandered to their nostalgia and shit. So what? It didn't have much to offer beyond that.

>>13305793
Mediocre to annoying. Boring characters, annoying cinematography.

It got to a point i started counting how many more "character arives at the destination, stands and stares like a moron behind the panning camera focusing on him" shots i'll see. Fuck it, the fights were good, but they were so dark and the mutos so similar to eachother i had no idea which is which. Not to mention they did so many dumb "huge gigantic thing infront of your nose - cant see" moments. From a submarine to the monsters. Wouldnt watch it a second time, as the only interesting character dies at the start of the film.

>>13314534
I think I would be okay with that, too. Evas fighting angels fighting Godzilla would be fucking awesome.

>>13305793
While not great, I don't think it was as horrible as some made it out to be. Disappointing sure, but more mediocre and forgettable than anything. It came and went.

There's not much rewatch value in it, although I don't really watch any of these movies anymore, just check out the monster scenes at best. Sadly, this one doesn't have much of those either.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HH0k_HNjBA

gameraaaaaa

>>13317660
Too much CGI that doesn’t even look convincing. It looks like it’s trying to emulate an American ‘edgy’ modern monster movie feel and it just looks so dull. Then there’s the swarm of Gyaos which are poorly rendered digital creations. This just looks so unimpressive.

If Godzilla 2016 is going to look like this, then my excitement is dead.

>>13305842
I cant blame you I dislike it now but as kid it was cool a new thing to me

>>13305793
>was this a good movie?

No.

>was it a good godzilla movie?

Yes.

It was absolute garbage.

I don't get how you idiots stomach that shit. I mean, literally pulling up a hiroshima watch...

really?

The thing had ZERO plot for gods sake.

>>13317951
Same.

>>13317660
>sub par effects
>goofy monster gore
>focus on kid

Yup, Gamera alright.

I enjoyed it. I understand that godzilla got little screen time was to not kill the hype. Shit would get boring if godzilla was on screen 90% of the time

>>13318437
Shit got boring anyway.

>>13318437
The problem was that the movie got in its own way with trying to make Godzilla a mystery with all those stupid obscured shots of him.

Because G. was clearly meant to be a character.
In the end you should be rooting for him and actually wonder what he's thinking and feeling.

So Godzilla didn't necessarily need more screentime, but he needed facetime.
The audience needed to get a feel for him.

Pulling a Jaws on him was a shitty idea.

>>13318691
>we need to keep this thing very mysterious
>BUT IT'S A GIANT LIZARD TALLER THAN MOST BUILDINGS HOW THE FUCK DO YOU KEEP THAT SECRET
>idk its really foggy man

>>13318702
IT's so fucking stupid because the MUTOs are basically on full display for most of the film.
You get a good look at them constantly.

And Godzilla, ultimately the hero in the film, is constantly in the shadows.

HEY NUMBNUTS! YOU GOT THAT THE WRONG WAY AROUND! THE LESS YOU SEE OF SOMETHING THE MORE THREATENING IT IS IN YOUR MIND! THE MORE YOU SEE SOMETHING, THE EASIER IT IS TO INTERPRET IT'S ACTIONS AND GROW ATTACHED TO IT.

Literally fuck yourself, Evans. How can somebody be so pretentious, yet so retarded at the same time.

>>13318691
>>13318746
>We gotta appeal to a new audience who are unfamiliar with Godzilla
>Lets reveal him very slowly
>But we also gotta please the fans who already know him
>Lets have the city celebrate him at the end so that it feels like in the good old days when he was a character
>That might confuse the newcomers who haven't gotten used to him just yet. How about actually developing him? I mean, the human characters have so little to do, we may as well...
>Sorry, muh MUTOs and Spielberg copying are more important

>>13305793
Yeas and yes.

>>13318800
>Lets have the city celebrate him at the end so that it feels like in the good old days when he was a character

This is my real issue with the movie. Not exactly the moment itself but more that it could not decide if it wanted to be a serious Godzilla movie or the more whacky ones. The Japanese ones despite all their silly bullshit usually did a good job sticking with one tone per movie while this new one kept hopping around all over the place.

>>13317660
That Gyaos is looking fuckin' baller

Why even live when there will be no modern interpretation of Gigan?

>>13317872

>doesn't look convincing

how does one make a giant dragon-turtle look convincing?

>>13317660
Looks more like Monster Hunter than anything else

>>13319125
Truth be told I liked that moment.

I wish the rest of the movie wasn't so goddamn drab and lifeless.

>>13317872
I don't think you can make monsters look convincing. Which is why Del Toro made Godzilla go bear mode and have an old gangster face.

In other words you guys grew up. It's okay to admit you are too big for Dumb monster movies you know.
I went back to watch the old Godzilla movies without and with the exception of the original they were all bad and the humans in them were annoying. Some were slightly better than 2014, but many were also worse.

>>13305793
It was worth it for the decapitation at the end

>>13305793
Yes

>>13320164
>2004
>not modern

Anon, /m/ spends most of its time pretending it's the late 70s/80s.

>>13320199
Think he's talking about the overall quality of the effects. And they do look shit.

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I liked this movie. Every moment with Godzilla on the screen was hype as fuck. I'm the kind of guy who can sit through a boring movie if I know the ending is good.

>>13306101
>>13306648
"Indefinite hiatus" is the term they're using. Salt on the wound if you ask me.

>>13305793
I don't get why a lot of people say this is an America fuck yeah movie. Murrica fucked up all it's plans.

>>13324492
Because the appearance of the American military short circuts the yurocuck brain, making them unable to process things like context

>>13324565
the greatest moment i had the pleasure of witnessing in a movie theater

It looked great in Imax. >>13324565 was awesome. The high altitude jump scene with classical music was pretty cool too. Otherwise way too long, Cranston should have lived and played a more central role.

Best Godzilla movie so far. I absolutely loved the movie. I found it deep, multifaceted and compelling. Yes the characters were one-dimensional, but I think that was intentional. The movie fools you into anthropomorphising Godzilla throughout through Dr.Serizawa’s awe and Ford’s mirroring of Godzilla near the end. Then drops you into a stark realization that attributing human qualities to this animal is just stupid, as you see the press response to Godzilla’s final victory. Throughout you cut away from Godzilla when you are about to see his true nature and behavior, and instead interpret his actions through the viewpoint of various observers that saw it transpire. Then when you finally see him in his natural state, you get pulled back to a view by Ford. It is not till the very end that you realize that nobody really understands this creature, and it was possibly the only complex character in the film. The humans who told you the story couldn’t reconcile everything they saw and were consequently irrelevant. This, in my opinion is how it should be for a first Godzilla movie.

>>13322294

does Japan not dump 99% of their budget into effects like America does?

>>13329936
Dunno, but when you have a minuscule budget compared to USA movies and lesser CGI technology and/or talent to go with it, you often get crappy-looking results.

Especially if those limited resources are coupled with questionable stylistic choices like digital zooms, fake camera shakes, off-putting color filters and such.

>>13331951
90's gamera looks good and tbh that is a teaser trailer, I'm sure they will use better cgi and a rubber suit.

>>13305793
It was very mediocre in all aspects.

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>>13305793
No and no.

Godzilla movies always have lengthy human sections to set up the big fight but in this I felt it was handled poorly. I just did not care about anything that was happening and they were changing locations all the fucking time and in general it just sucked. Then the monsters came around and you got a short CG monster fight. I understand why they used CG over rubber suits but for me the reason I watch these is FOR the rubber suits and said rubber suits fighting amidst practical explosions, drawn lasers, and splashes of whatever liquid. The fight in godzilla 2005 I hardly remember because it was just a standard CGI fight.

No.

No.

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>>13305793
>was this a good movie?
Meh

>was it a good godzilla movie?
It was ok. I'd range it just above the mediocre line as far as Godzilla movies go. Sure there wasn't a lot of the big guy, but a lot of films are guilty of that, not fair to just give this one shit about it. It is fair to give it shit for killing off the most interesting character really early leaving us with G.I. Generic and his mannequin wife. The parts featuring Big G were pretty great though. A decent Goji flick, but far from the best. It was certainly an improvement compared to the last american one

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If we don't get a Legendary Anguirus by the 3rd movie, I'll be upset.

>>13336486
How do you know he wasn't in the first, just obscured by smoke?

>was this a good movie?
it was decent enough
>was it a good godzilla movie?
it was alright

The movie went to shit after Cranston died.

>>13339046
Agreed.

I felt the Father-son relationship had potential and could have made a good lynchpin for the entire movie.
Even though Kickass was barely awake for most of the movie, Cranston was acting hard enough for both of 'em.

Instead they gave him this really cheap death as if to say "OMG no one is safe!"