Is this still the undisputed best robot game of all time to this day?

SRW inb4

If everything is autoaim how exactly is it a game or different from a VN?

>>12197051
SRW doesn't give you the sense of actually controlling a battle robot.

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Not RAD enough.

I'm sorry.

>>12197078
and autoaim does?

>>12197112
Actually yes. Manually aiming is a pain in a giant robot battle. I know because I'm a pilot.

>>12197041

>Not Armored Core 2

I think it's still the secret best Dragonball Z game.

But man, I don't think there's a single line-reading in the localization that isn't awkward and terrible.

>>12197041
>You can't even meaningfully customise your machine

It's like you hate replay value.

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>>12197041
What is Assault suits valken
What is Bangai-O
ZOE is damn good tought

Maybe if you don't know Japanese.

Maybe.

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>>12197041
Nah.

>>12197041
No.

>>12197041
Yeah

>>12197041
I love ZoE, but Armored Core For Answer is YOUR answer.

>>12197041
Yes, easily.

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GUYS

Guys

what if

guys listen

What if, Kojima worked with Platinum Games again to make ZoE3?

>>12197078
If we're going for that then the clear winner is Steel Battalion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGgxRsaGdcA

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>>12199048
Raiden was able to throw Rex and flip Excelsus.

What would be Jehuty's limit if it was warping space and gravity around itself?

>>12199048
No, thanks. MGR was shit.

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>>12199089
In what respect? As a Metal Gear game? Maybe, but as an action game it was quite excellent.
ZoE is very much an action game. An action game featuring giant robots with all kinds of absurd abilities that can all be justified as "Metatron did it". This shit was taylor-made for Platinum Games to go nuts with. Platinum can take this shit and crank it up to eleven.

>>12199116
High Speed Robot Action.
Combared to
Tactical Espionage Action

One of those taglines is exactly up Platinum's alley. Hell, for a launch ps2 title the fights, especially with Neith were pretty fucking crazy.

>>12197041
>Not Custom Robo

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>>12199048
>>12199084
>>12199116
>>12199329

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>>12197041
No.
Armored core 4 is.

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>>12199084
>Raiden was able to throw [Ray] and flip Excelsus.
>What would be Jehuty's limit if it was warping space and gravity around itself?

Jesus, could you imagine the Platinum version of the Zakat fight?

>throwing Raptors around and dodging lasers while skating around the outer part until you make your way to the weak spot
>boss health gets red
>cutscene showing Jehuty making a clean vertical cut along the top of its head
>MASH CIRCLE
>Jehuty sticks its hands into the cut and begins pulling it apart until a visible tear appears going down the entire enemy frame
>Jehuty pulls Zakat completely in half, and throws both pieces to the ground
>MASH L & R
>Jehuty begins charging a burst shot on each hand and hurls them at the two halves, obliterating them
>Stage complete
>Rating: B

God no. It was an extremely mediocre title that gets hyped up because Kojima's name was attached to it.

>>12199048
I actually would NOT want this. Love Platinum but I just don't feel like they'd be able to capture essence of ZOE.

>>12200005
>>12197041

Yeah until AC4 came out ZOE2 was the only mecha game that really felt like you were playing a robot anime.

You had so many moves and the control was great--you could make the battles as flashy as you wanted to.

>>12205055
How do you figure? High-speed action games with ludicrous power levels are their speciality

>>12205176
Right but compare the overall aesthetic and presentation of ZOE2 with Bayonetta. Similar but Bayonetta is super over the top and camp compared to ZOE

>>12205219
Right, but what about MGR? Similar over-the-top action (which I think ZoE would benefit from), but without nearly as much camp (when compared to Bayonetta, at least)

>>12205239
MGR was ridiculously over the top too. Did you completely forget about Armstrong? ZOE had fast paced combat but the story itself was relatively serious and grounded.

>>12197041
it's too short, everything else is perfect

the action really pushing me to the edge of my bed it's seriously fun.

i rike it.

>>12197041

If you could customize your mech and play online in big maps in teams of 6 v 6 or something ZOE would have been better. Why did Kojima never make a third one? Is Metal Gear just more interesting to him?

Anyway, half the Armored Core games are better than ZOE if you actually want to pilot a mech and make something no one else has.

>>12205364
>Why did Kojima never make a third one? Is Metal Gear just more interesting to him?

It's more that everyone else is more interested in MG.

>>12205364
>Is Metal Gear just more interesting to him?

Less that and more Kojipro being a bunch of incompetent fucks who can't do a thing without him. They screwed up so bad on Rising he made them do a 30 minute video on how bad of a job they did and how Platinum made the final release possible as punishment.

The game is cruelly short but yeah, it was awesome.

>>12205455
> They screwed up so bad on Rising he made them do a 30 minute video on how bad of a job they did and how Platinum made the final release possible as punishment.

Wait... really ?
Where can I find that video ?

>>12205475
I'm joking about the punishment part but it certainly feels like it when members from Kojipro flatout admit they fucked up on camera and talk about Platinum saving the game. I can see Kojima making them do that as humiliation in hopes that when he has them work on a Metal Gear game in the future they won't have to call Kojima again to save their ass.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVVcQjen0ak

>>12205364
Don't worry. Kojima just said MGS5 will be the last Metal Gear, so I'm sure ZOE3 will be next!

>>12205684
And so does GoP
But it was 7 years ago

>>12199048
YES! YES! YES! But have Kojima's involvement at least on the Opening Credits and Trailers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDFQ7SaRcK4

>>12197041
I thought it was Dynasty Warriors Gundam

>>12205494
Watching the video I can understand what you mean. I would think the same.

And it would sound credible for the one director who put its whole team through military training to make MGS 4 or 5

I'm a big fan of MechWarrior Online right now, but it doesn't count as animu. Otherwise I think I agree.

>>12197041
Not even close. It's a subpar action game with cool designs but that's about it.

>>12197041
It's fast. It's pretty. Beyond the Bounds is godlike. That's about it.

I really like Platinum's games but this whole "platinum should do this game" thing has to stop

>>12197052
The same can be said of any fighting game. It plays like Ocarina of Time's combat system.

>>12197112
Yeah because you can do a better job than a ballistics computer that knows how to adjust your stature and arm position to best hit the target, not just some shoulder gimball telemetrically following a cursor.

>>12199089
It was basically a parody, wasn't it?

>>12199116
ZOE had the brains to show things break, that they have limitations both technically and in our understanding. For all metatron was, it was almost a character in and of itself and had the potential to be fucking terrifying, like the force was in the original starwars movies.

What made ZOE work was they depicted the machines outside of combat with a sense of weighting and huge huge amounts of personality like huge metal avatars.

Platinum Games pick up a title and they practically make a parody out of everything they touch. ZOE was actually kind of gritty in its own way. You *do* know about the implied pederasty between Nohman and Dingo in the original translation, right? Its why the body language and dialog makes a lot less sense in the English version.

>>12206497
>The same can be said of any fighting game.
No, it can't.

>>12206497
>>12206499
>>12206515
Abandon thread

>>12202407
So basically an ultra-scripted quicktime event fight? God I fucking hate those. It removes your power to make any decision from the fight, takes you OUT OF THE FIGHT and reminds you that you're playing a fucking game.

>>12206517
>Almost always automatically face target
>You select the distance from your target
>You have an array of attacks at different ranges

ZOE plays like this. Fighting games play like this.

Do you think fighting games are visual novels? All they did was make a fighting-game three dimensional.

>>12206522
Much love.

>>12206531
Yeah, ZOE is totally like a fighting game. Retard.

>>12197041
IMO Lost Planet is better

>>12206535
Your direct vector to the target is always decided when lock is established, so you can face your target without having to worry about lateral positioning or aiming. Like a fighting game, where you almost always face your target dead on automatically.

You select distance. like a fighting game.

You have an array of attacks which work at different ranges.

Its a three dimensional streets of rage with robots, mang.

>>12199048
This is my dream

>>12206550
Not that anon, but I would say that Bangai-O in 3D is a better analogy.

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>>12206531
Are you fucking retarded? Are you seriously comparing ZOE to a fighting game? Shouldn't you be on /v/ where retarded shit like your post usually goes down?

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>>12206550
Action games = fighting games now
Action Adventure games = fighting games now
Beat 'em Up games = fighting games now

Any 3D game with a lock-on mechanism = fighting games now
Any 2D game with a lock-on mechanism = fighting games now
We fighting games now

Pic related, it's a fighting game

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I still can't S rank mission 8 the Massive Field Battle. All my LEV allies die too quickly. I can't kill everything fast enough.

>>12206550
>You select distance. like a fighting game.
you are a fucking retard

>>12206638
In that mission I just spammed the Vector Cannon until everything was dead

>>12197150
To be fair, the casting is alright. There's just not a whole lot you can do with some of the lines they were given.

>>12197150
I found it hilarious instead of awkward

>>12205258

>the story was relatively serious and grounded

Did we play the same game? It got more and more ridiculous the longer the story went on.

>>12197150

you know I was playing xenoverse yesterday and though to myself the flying controls would be much better with ZOE's engine.

I mean press the left stick IN to descend? Who thought that was smart

>>12206632
FPS are fighting games too since you have a clear distance and you can even close it to attack with diferent combos

>>12206550
He got so humiliated he actually left

>>12206524
>So basically an ultra-scripted quicktime event fight?

What? No no no. The fight will still be a fight, a damn involved one. More like an ultra-scripted quicktime event finisher. Very flashy.

>>12197112
Meet real life tech.

>>12206524
I'm just going to assume you haven't played The Wonderful 101.

It's proof that Platinum can make boss fights even better with amazing QTEs.

>>12206531
By that logic nearly every game with some form of a lock on camera function is a fighting game.

The first was better. I played 2nd Runner HD a few months ago and it was a piece of shit with a terrible story, an annoying MC who looks like a faggot and retarded mission structure.

>>12207993
Sounds more like the first one to me.

>>12207993
>>12208059
both were good

>>12207993
You must be talking about the first

The second is the one which improved everything. The only thing bad about it was the voice acting. Better story, protag, side characters and most importantly gameplay.

>>12208092
to be honest I the actually voices kind of grew on me, it was the script that was shitty

>81 replies
>no PS2 Votoms

Come on guys

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No ones mentioned this yet? I remember there was a lot of talk abgout this not to long ago.

>>12208220
Because it was somewhat of a fad. It was an interesting game and there were aspects of it that were fun to play, but because it was so limited in your ability to customize (you can't, basically) I think Hawken really ended up falling flat for most people.

You can have the funnest gameplay in the world- hell you could literally recreate reality in all its wonders, but not having a good progression system will kill it. Period.

>>12208253
Some of the best games ever didn't even have progression systems.

Quake 3 and UT99 certainly didn't suffer their absence.

>>12197078
Well okay, but then Robot Alchemic Drive is the best robot game of all time.

RAD bar none.