Sunrider: Mask of Arcadius

>>12177892
It's the only way to play.

>>12177913
Would you like to elaborate? Should game designers balance harder difficulties assuming players will save scum?

>>12177937
stop that

>>12177892
useful on certain games, but I dont think this is one of them.

>>12177892
I almost always end up doing it.
It is just way to easy to fuck up and have restart the whole thing

anyways the devs need to do something about the engine. My Laptop can run Skyrim no problem, but Sunrider makes it heat up and stutter like shit.

>>12178544
Kind of useful for doing stupid things like using Kinetic weapons from across the map or making sure your Torpedos don't get shot down on a 99% chance

>>12178569
this

>>12177937
It's more that it's pretty difficult to fight the battles the first time around and you'll be very inefficient, which will result in much worse use of the limited funds you get in the game.

>>12178656
>>12178569
Isn't it basically running on Ren'py, so all the animations are basically like Powerpoint slides and so it's constantly pulling things out of memory?

>>12178649
Kinectic weapons across the map isn't necessary unless its sola who can pull that off with awaken.

Torpedos aren't hard to get in with a wave of missiles and flak off before hand especially if you have chigara at 120 en.

>>12178649
I usually just use it to crazy things like moving a unit to far of the group or doing the combo of "short range warp-vanguard cannon" the Sunrider really gains hate when doing that.

>>12178751
ren'py was built off of the pygame library so they are probably using the pygame library for the rts part.

I can't win against those Nightmares

Maybe I've upgraded the wrong stuff/didn't farm enough

help

>>12178978
get the quantum torpedo license and upgrade missile damage, the torpedos quickly end up doing over 2k damage

>>12179010
I phrased that wrong

I defeated the nightmares in two turns, but I ran out of command points to heal and Liberty got rekt so I died in the enemy phase.

I dont save scum. If I run into a battle I can't win, I bash my head against it until I do.

The wedding took me about two days of dedicated play.

>>12179069
The escort mission took me a day to complete

>>12179069
Were you doing it on the old demo?

>>12179304
I wonder when's the next update
and they should really make lasers not useless

>>12179586
lasers weren't that bad if they were outside of shields. I used them with the alliance cruisers to hit targets with high evasion.

On the sunrider there wasn't much of a point of pushing lasers because after shoving tons of money into kinetics they could make the difficult shots and if lasers were ignored to focus on the weapon with more potential.


I was asking about the public demo I think 4.2, because flack was less effective and the battleships fired torpedoes.

I normally lasted 2-3 turns.

So is Hero good/gonna be good? It's another mecha vn from another dev
I feel like it's shit

>>12180053
link?

>>12180076
http://sasugastudios.com/works/hero/index.html

>>12180120
There is really nothing to go off of right now, a large part of me doubts it'll be completed.

GOD FUCK THOSE SUPPORTS ARE REKTING ME

>>12179010
I finally finished that mission; should I sell the wishall or hold on to it?

>>12180182
I think there are 3 command decisions in the story so far, they cost around 300, 50, 2000 off the top of my head.

There will probably be new ones in part 3 but it seems safe to sell.

Do buffs/debuffs stack? I think they don't.
I was kind of hoping that they do/add them in future patches

>>12180253
They don't. Higher buffs are supposed to override lower ones, though there was a bug where any new buff overrode the old one regardless of value that I'm not sure they've fixed yet.

Suggest me cool mods for this game, /m/.

>>12177892
In my first playthrough of both part 1 and 2, I had 100+ saves due to save-scumming.

Now trying an XCOM-inspired ironman-mode type playthrough. At the 2nd escort mission by the mining union now. Nearly impossible. Fucking assualt carriers and support ryders

Are Alliance cruisers and Union frigates worth buying?
If I deploy them on a mission and they didn't die, will they still be available for other missions?

>>12181025
The big ones yes, the small laser ones no.

>If I deploy them on a mission and they didn't die, will they still be available for other missions?
Yes. You only lose them if you let them die.

>mfw the other escort side mission
And I thought the first escort mission was hard

>>12181349
Its not that bad if you have a ton of command points

>>12180120
>Check out other projects
>Dat character art

Almost feel bad enough to help the guy out. Well they say they're getting better so god speed!

>>12180352
Try out the yet to be implimented 7.2 changes.
https://github.com/vaendryl/Sunrider

Download the zip and dump the contents in the /game subfolder and either start fresh or reload the previous save and use the debug button on the research screen to reset research and update the upgrade paths.

Features neat updates such as 50% more effective energy damage upgrades, missile spamming Sunrider and carrier spawned ryders staring with 0 energy making carrier missions a little easier.

>>12182043
>missile spamming Sunrider and carrier spawned ryders staring with 0 energy making carrier missions a little easier.

I don't think they could put enough of the current units on the screen to make part 3 difficult.

>>12182193
they will probably create a new unit to drive us mad.

>>12182480
legions of legion

>>12182608
Well, the way they fucked you up in part 2 was by introducing stuff you had but they didn't, like ships with rockets, support ryders and assault carriers.

>part 3
>enemies have their own special orders
>enemies have own gravity gun to shuffle your units around out of position.
>enemies have own anti-ship sniper ryders on other side of map
>melee enemies with cloak

>>12183049
The battleships in part one originally had rockets in the very early version of the game.

support ryders and assault carriers were difficult to deal with early on in part 2 but near the end they were needed.

increased flak and range of shields starts to render mooks and bombers near useless.

Most capital ships can be taken down in one turn if they get close enough for kinetics.

what would really make part 3 obnoxious would be giving ships short range warp.

>>12181349
I am still stuck on the second one, I reach it 3 days ago, and they focus msunrider so bad.

>>12183049
God, please don't, if they do that, they better give us something new too, another sunrider, somekind like a heavy defensive unit with lots of flask, shields and even some buff that give armor.

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Oh shit!

>>12184087
The ships look like they're built out of Legos.

>>12184087
since the sunrider is something like super assault carrier, I wonder if the ryders that was suppose to get before the whole mess in Cera were going to be specials ones (at least one of them) or generic like the ones that PACT use.

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>>12184087
DRADIS CONTACT
CYLON BASESTARS
CYLON RAIDERS

They should have more BSG references in the game.

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>>12184103
You what? If anything, they have a nice factor of being reminiscent of the ship designs from Infinite Space.

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>>12184137
Man IS was a great fucking game

>>12184137
The little bumps look like Lego studs.

>>12184170
I got it on my DS, but I haven't touched for a long time now, I am losing something important here?

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>>12184199
Lots of feels and some crazy shit in the second half of the game.

>>12181804
I always have allguard on and used the warp and cannon liberally. All it did was make the Sunrider die faster.
There must be something I'm doing wrong

>>12184848
Kill the units closest to you and keep your units bunched together for increased flak/shielding. Simply let them run into you and not the other way around. Full forward is more effective for this strategy.

>>12179304

Yeah, that was back in the original release and before any patches. Shit was brutal.

So was Icari's comment about personal shielding necessitating a return to melee combat an unsubtle reference to Dune?

>>12184170
Yeah, I actually got that a little while ago after Sunrider got me on a spacefleet kick. I just got me an Absoluta class and man, they weren't kidding when they said it trivialized the game.

Has anyone here attempted Space Whale difficulty?

>>12185504
I think it definitely is, also a way to give her a reason to bring a knife, 2 of them, to a pew pew fight

>mfw I destroyed Legion
Most of my money was spent upgrading Sunrider
I can't even win with these 3 battleships they gave me because my ryders have next to no upgrades
I need to get good

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>>12187033
Just wait a few turns for Asaga's Awakening to kick in and throw her into the middle of their fleet. She'll literally solo everything with her 1 hp.

>>12177892
Is it just me or is that a very Zeon-esque ship?

>>12187952
How would it kick in and rek everyone with her newtype/coordinator/innovator powers? I had her buff turned on and she got rekt instead. I still finished the stage in 11 turns though.

I also had a save before choosing whether to destroy Legion or not, this time I chose not destroying Legion. I finished the stage in 2 turns

I'm secretly hoping for NANOMACHINES SON Ava in the next chapter.

>>12188060
You probably didn't wait long enough; after a couple turns she becomes unkillable and can one shot battleships with her assault rifle.

>>12180120
>hero
wasn't that the name for the family friendly version of MGQ3D?

>>12188060
>>12187033

can someone explain why we are given the choice to destroying Legion I remember blasting the shit out of it ?

>>12187033
wait are you telling me we lost the sunrider? Holy shit, probably one of the few good spoiler for me right now, since I don't want to be fucked for loosing the star unit, better upgrade the rest a little more.

>>12189115
Don't worry, you only lose it if you're a horrible awful person.

And you're not a horrible awful person, are you anon?

>>12189445
I took the destruction path on armored core 4A, you tell me.

>>12188638
>Because the Captain was all "this ends now, this ends here, no more running", and your XO will do anything you say
>Then your cannon goes offline and had to be manually operated using a lever on a damaged section of your ship
>Your XO tells you she's going there to fire the cannon manually
>You can then make the decision of firing the cannon and destroying legion, which will make Sunrider sit on the bench next stage and your XO most likely dying in the process, or gtfo there and proceed to the next stage

The writing is pretty meh to be honest

>>12188060
Every turn her evasion/armor/damage keep going up by 50% a turn in exchange for hp. She can't get killed by the hp loss but her evasion will get so high blaze it nothing can hit her.

>>12189115
You don't lose it lose, it just wrecks itself and your XO and is unavailable for the final mission.

>>12188638
The Legion needed to get vanguarded right down it's center as it was charging it's own main cannon to completly kill it but the Sunrider lost it's systems during the fight to weaken it's supporting fleet and the Legion's own defences. You get to decided if putting it in space dock for months and obliterating it's fleet was good enough or to risk it all in a final kill.

It's Kayato's White Whale HOLY GRAIL moment. It's a tactically sound decision since the entire operation during that arc was for taking down the Legion but Kayato was also constantly pushing for it despite the status of the Alliance fleet. Things probably should have also switched over to just chasing off the Legion and it's supporting fleet for the giant blackhole mcguffin.

Also since their school days Ava's always been a by the book kind of person, school council, being military like her dad, MUH REGULATIONS and Kayato's always been her way out of that and just be a person. He didn't quite get the hint when he got his dick wet and lost her to military life. Now it's happening all over again this time with her doing the "right thing" at a critical moment. She's being the perfect executive officer, ready to throw her life away for the greater good when all she really wants is for Kayato to tell her no.

Letting the Legion slip away arguable leaves you in a better condition with dealing with the real threat, maskfuck and the mcguffin what with PACT looking like they're doing a heel-face turn.

>>12190811
Y'know, it always seemed like they talked up the Legion too much. I never bought that it was this exceptional threat because we're talking about a government that can look at a big expensive ship class just deployed by some Podunk country, think "That's a pretty good idea, lets do that" and then churn out dozens if not hundreds of them in what, months? It really doesn't seem like the Legion could be unique.

>>12178792
Even with awaken Sola has difficulty hitting those high evasion supports across the map.
I didn't upgrade her kinetic accuracy though

>>12191218
They were probably working on or had the assault carriers before they fought the Sunrider.

Legion could be unique or very rare as they may lack the facilities to mass produce it. But the assault ships are of standard size.

>>12193011
But I', pretty sure whatshisface specifically says that they got the idea from the Sunrider when the first PACT assault carrier shows up at Ongess.

>>12193011

The Legion will turn out to be some of that space magic Ryuvian tech they only have in limited quantities, until Arcadius shows up with a fleet of them in the third chapter.

>>12184202
Lego already IS plural you stupid fucking American. There is no such thing as "A lego". You have LEGO PIECES. Its either "I hope you step on lego" or "I hope you stand on a lego piece"

What the fuck how am I better at your language than you are?

- Danish

>>12193374

fon "You have quite an interesting vessel. I believe it was instrumental in winning the Battle of Far Port, was it not?"
fon "An assault carrier... Swift as a battle cruiser, and supported by a squadron of ryders like a carrier..."
fon "Capable of both lightning strikes and long range operations. Quite impressive, considering it was made by a single Neutral Rim world."
fon "Now, imagine not a single prototype vessel, but an entire fleet of advanced warships built with the resources of all the worlds of the People's Alliance!"

He didn't say that it was based on the sunrider, but that they were of a similar concept.

>>12193795
Maybe you're right. That said, given how PACT pulls fleets of battleships and carriers out of its ass for every little engagement it still seems like the industrial feat of replicating the Legion isn't insurmountable.

>>12193835
Replicating might not be insurmountable but it may be expensive enough not to bother.

It could have been expensive as a fleet or their dedicated superweapon team could have been working on diode bomb mk2.

It could go either way, but I would think with how it was apparently impossible for an entire alliance fleet outfitted with the most powerful kinetic weapon in the game to be able to destroy the legion another one would be worth it.

>>12194097
My thoughts. And it's exactly like the Sunrider devs to go "Remember the final boss of the last part? Well have fun with TWO of them motherfucker! AHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!"

....although given the Sunrider devs, two might be lowballing it a bit.

>>12194329
I am wonder if they given enemy like 2 flag ships
shouldnt we get a good allied ship i.e not a nameless turd? Since Ryder still haven got a proper upgrade at this point
So we get an upgrade to SR MK2 from the core of the ship while part of the scraps SR is used to make a prototype for a mass production SR where get an AI Captain (i.e excuses to throw in Data references)

>>12194329
I belive they will give us something like "Legion army vs Sunrider army" after we manage to free Cera or something...

>>12194393
I am hoping more for special ryder since they create a ship soo good as the SR it's reasonble that it will use a special ryder to make the combo.

>>12194438
So what your homeplanet sent you a blue print for next gen ryder that was suppose to with SR. Then blue upgrade everyone ryder based on the blueprints +60EN for all ryders and +30% all preferred stats, and phoenix's stealth can increase evade by 100% until next turn

>>12194438
Or they could have good capital ships and poor fighters watch the standard load for the sunrider be the cera equivalent of 8 mooks and 4 bombers.

>>12194463
seeing how the game is, if that happen WE ARE ROYALLY FUCKED, since the dev will make something like "take this awesome looking ryders and fight a fleet of all the enemies you have see until now....already done? easy, right? now look the new enemies of part 3, we are going to savour your tears now".

They will make us suffer for this.

>>12194836
Sunrider: The game where your special snowflake characters and units are inferior to mass-produced missile spammers.

>>12195188
it's not that they are inferior, but is more a case of Quality vs Quantity, while quality can win with little effort againt the other units, when you are facing like 10 of each class at the same time, with extras more when you think is going to be over with limited thing like missiles, yeah quantity wins this time.

But that's part of the beauty of the gameplay, you really need to know what you are doing with those specials snowflakes to win against those horde of enemies, in a way a true Turn-Based Tactics game.

>>12194329
>First mission of part three
>puts you against 6 Legions and 6 assault carriers which spawn a support and a nightmare every turn.
>also recently deployed enemy units can immediately do shit

>>12196581
I'd actually say regular carriers are worse than assault carriers, since assault carriers at least move up into range to get shots at you (and use up a bit of energy) rather than sit at the back doing nothing but pumping out support/bomber ryders.

>>12196689
They wouldn't need the assault carriers 6 legions have enough vangaurd hexes taken up and missiles that even if you were able to keep your units out of the way they would just be able to bombard the scattered ships with missiles.

someone know how to fix a problem, when support PACT units try to debuff you and the game crash cause of it? I can't finish the second escort mission cause of that.

>>12195188
well your special snowflakes are more close to personalized ryders rather than being super protypes/unit/next generation of ryder, and the even the ryer of Sola that despise being a recon unit, it suppose to be better than anything right now, but the lack of proper maintenace reduce it's potencial, is more, the Paladin is suppose to be a mass-produce model.

>>12196581
abandon hope all ye who enter here.

>>12199252
They should just personalize all their riders for shooting heavy kinetic weapons and torpedos if they wanted to survive.

>>12199333
Kinetics will probably be nerfed

>>12199456
they should buff flak.

I'm downloading this now, is it any good?
And what's the deal with the Academy game.

>>12199998
the gameplay is good, the story is nothing special, is hard cause you fight little armies of enemie each time and get worse with the carrier.

the Academy is just a visual novel, so far nothing special but the dev are putting everthing into that one right now since it will cost money.

>>12200096
also the VN is +18.

>>12199998
some people still hope that the academy will have space whales.

>>12199252
Well, Blackjack and Liberty were thrown together by a mad scientist in a patisserie, Phoenix was heavily modified over the years from whatever it was, Seraphim was an ancient scout ryder lacking maintenance and I got the impression that Paladin was an Alliance bomber ryder with more armour and a bunch of cruiser gun turrets strapped haphazardly to it. Bianca is just weird though, It's a bizzare looking ryder with unusual equipment operated by some horny quack doctor in the middle nowhere who just happens to be able to afford space travel and knows about an Ryuvian ship graveyard lost for years.

Acually, Claude is really fucking suspicious, come to think of it.

>>12200620
I did a double-take when I realized that this latest robot that joined the party somehow had a gravity rifle attached to its arm. Up until that point, the universe had been fairly consistent sci-fi tech, but when that and the super-ancient mega-battleship that ran on dead girls showed up, my eyes started to roll out of my head.

Mechs with melee should use melee as their counterattack against mechs instead of assault.
This way Phoenix isn't just a missile/laser sponge and an additional flak screen most of the time.

>>12200715
I thought the dead girl was more of a ritual.

>>12201047
Doesn't Sola mention that it literally won't start unless they plug the princess into it?

>>12177937
>Would you like to elaborate? Should game designers balance harder difficulties assuming players will save scum?

The best way to do it is to either make it impossible or to build it into the system itself. The TO: Let Us Cling Together remake did that. Had an actual button for save scumming.

>>12199957
It has been buffed.

>>12199333
That only works well against cruisers and battleships

>>12201751
It was more of a moral decision than a reactor requirement.
If you want to blow up a system you have to give up something of your own.

It seemed more tradition than anything else.

I hate how ugly the lasers look in this game. Their animation sucks as welll.

>>12201916
Maybe it's a requirement, only people with "awakening" can activate the weapons.

>>12203288
the animation is bad, no one discuss that, the story is generic, the thing saving the game is the gameplay, I guess they really focus on the making a good gameplay above everthing.

>>12206808
There is the diode in the current time they were more than capable of making a similar weapon the awakening wouldn't be necessary.

Awakening was part of the royalty so I was guessing it checked for genetic engineering present to fire.