Who designs the superior mechs?

aliens
now fuck off

Why do you insist on making threads like these?

There isn't going to be any actual discussion

It's just going to end up being 100+ shitposts

This is some /b/ level shit. Versus threads are retarded

You can't compare two halves of the world like that, there are too many variables. Pick two people instead, then we can discuss it.

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>>11327226
Tank is superior.

OP is really just asking which is better between Battlemechs and For Answer styled mechas

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>Implies OP is shitposting
>everyone else is shitposting
>mfw

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>>11327400
agreed. I'll discuss

I tend to like "east" mechas more if they are toned down a bit. Seeing a giant robot go the speed of light and slicing and dicing with is samurai sword conveys no fucking weight or sense of size. You might as well just have humans fighting at that point.

Nerve system mechas like xcom ew's mec troopers was a pretty cool idea I thought and I'm not too opposed to titanfall's either, but battlemechs are certainly for your "realistic" mecha shit.

So I guess within mecha there can be genres.

Japs. They can make switch between realistic and the shit you see in SRW games. There's not a lot of diversity with Western mechs, at least when it comes to their giant robots. Bulky, tank, muh realism.

>>11327423
That was drawn by a Japanese artist.

>>11327437
Confirmed for not even looking at Western mechs

And I've seen more Japanese big bulky mechs compared to Western mechs.

>>11327445
Designed by an American

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>>11327388

India invented giant robots, along with Korea who were the first to copy them.

Everybody else is shit.

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>>11327399
>OP is really just asking which is better between Battlemechs and For Answer styled mechas

Between?

High-Macs, naturally.

>>11327388
If the mech is a plane analogue (which many are), the tank has no chance.

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<- western-designed Japanese mechs

>>11327388
So we've ruled out France then?

And for the thread, here's a friendly reminder that the amount of mecha designed by Japan is going to so severely dwarf America that for every example of a well-designed American mecha there will be a mountain of Japanese design examples thrown upon it to crush it and suffocate it.

So, you know... Good luck comparing them.

Generally speaking, east, although sometimes they go a bit over the top. Due to their "toy-first" history they tend to be more focused on the design and how it will move, whereas sci-fi in the west is still fixated on star wars and the associated style of covering a box with greebles and rivets and tubes and nebulous metal bits

>>11327226
Jokes on you.

Left is actually an Eastern design.

>>11327388
>World of Tanks

What a fucking faggot

>>11327601
So basically knockoffs of designs back in the 80's and 90's?

The Appleseed is strong in that design.

>bases their mechs and spaceships on living legends, cornerstones of the great American future
vs
>bases their mechs and spaceships on antiquated bloated false hopes that did nothing and got sunk

Yeah, I don't care how cool your series is, idolizing Yamato is idolizing Titanic. It just got a bunch of people killed.

>>11327453

The reason you think the distinction he made is bullshit is because... it is. The "eastern"/"western" mech distinction is absolutely stupid and has no basis in fact.

>>11327731
Perhaps a more accurate categorisation would be "japanese mechs" and "not japanese mechs", but you can't deny there is a difference in design trends

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>>11327388

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>>11327226
>Who designs the superior mechs?

It's more a matter of your personal preference. When it comes to fantastical visuals (mechs, creatures, sci-fi, fantasy, etc) both do great work, but have different aesthetics.

Fantastical imagery from the West is, generally, really cool but in an ugly/gritty way.

Fantastical imagery from the East is, generally, really cool in an elegant/beautiful way.

Naturally there are lots of exceptions, but I find this rule is fairly dependable. To wit:
West = Gears of War
East = Final Fantasy

I prefer the Eastern style, but that's purely my own personal taste. And there are still tons of Western designs which I think look terrific.

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>>11327226
Nice destroid faggot.

>>11327226
You do know that the one on the left is just a redraw of the unseen rifleman battlemech which is literally a destroid from macross/robotech right?

I mean its not even the reseen version.

>>11327752

There isn't a difference in design trend. Quite a large number of "western" mechs, especially early Battlemech stuff, is ripped from Japanese IPs. The Japanese don't just do humanoid Gundam stuff, they have shit like scopedogs too. Likewise not all "western" mechs are non-humanoid tank-like walkers -- look at Megas XLR.

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Who designs the superior mechs???????????

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I am doing this right?

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Let's make it interesting

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>>11327226

>>11327853
It's a Jagermech.

I cant even think of any western mechs.

>>11328199
Are you suggesting liking more than one thing!?

IMPOSSIBLE!

>>11327423
No FUCK THAT FUCKING MUSTACHE that is the worst gundam design ever the mustache fucking ruins an other wise great design
>inb4 trolling
>inb4 IMO
>inb4 every one is entitled to their own opinion and there right to express it this is something I've been needing to get off my chest I just don't see why there is so much love for that damn gundam I love everything about turn A except that one fucking ms

>>11327874
yes

>>11327857
My favorite part about the whole thing, is how 95% of the argument about how westen mech are more 'realistic' is always using battletech.

But then again, i have seen people claim even Power Armor and Exoskeletons are 'japanese 40k mecha bullshit'. But then they are ok with giant landbattleships because 'muh tanks mothafucker'

North.

>>11327813
>He doesn't know it's a Jagermech, not a Rifleman.

what? someone not gonna post that armored core webm bait?

Why pick the Jagermech, of all things?
It's probably one of the ugliest designs; all of the dumpiness of the Urbanmech with literally none of its charm.

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>>11328400
agreed, better western art.

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>>11328420
Nice Destroid Spartan faggot

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>>11328420
This is, pretty clearly, the best western art.

>>11327776

>reboot Lara Croft

What the fuck would she add?

Whining?

>>11328768
Actually it would be Dying (tm).

>>11328451
Look asshole, yes we all know BT ripped off Macross, since everyone feels the need to bring this up EVERY god damn time someone even mentions BT in passing. However >>11328420 No longer looks even fucking close to >>11328451 except in general shape, and approximate proportions, the leg design is different, the arms are gone, there is no little laser turret on the head move on.

>>11327226

Depends on your tastes and on what's appropriate for the story/setting.

/thread

>>11329177
You're just mad Battletech sucks

>>11329177
you sounds upset

Western styled eastern designs and Eastern styled western designs are the best.

I like a lil of both thrown in the Mix
People who say Turn A's design is ugly have shite taste.

Its one of the best looking Gundams and one of the best looking in motion.

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>>11329217
No, please. By all means, tell me more about your opinions on a game you've never touched in your life.

>>11329255
Maybe you should take a hint, from no one playing it.

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>>11329265
sickass burn

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i loves japs design and there's nothing you can do about it

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Battletech designs are so incredibly rooted in eastern mecha design, it's pretty absurd that people can formulate some arbitrary distinction between the general aesthetic of Battletech, and Japanese machines.

>>11329255
Pretty sure this thread is about designs, not the game itself.

>>11327226
West treats them like walking tanks. East treats them like walking jets.

>>11329442
East treats them like helicopter gunships.

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>>11329563
The west makes them literal walking helicopters, though.

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>>11327445

What is the plainest, most generic robot design that becomes notable because it is plain?

>>11329611
designed by west and drawn for animation by japs. there.

>>11329652
Guncannon

>>11328199
Actually, since Battletech took a lot of ideas from the East (see: Unseen), West is pretty much both.

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>>11328271

>>11328291
>japanese 40k mecha bullshit
I don't know why but I fucking lost it

10/10 funniest post on 4chan right now

>>11329177
>ripped off
They purchased the rights to the designs.

>>11329964
From a shady company that didn't have said rights.

>>11329733

If only Car Aznable was a better driver, this would have more staying power.

>>11327226
GA America.

>>11328451
That's a Mad Cat/Timberwolf and a Mad Dog/Vulture. Both ORIGINAL Designs.
That ain't an Archer/Spartan.

>>11330008
Rayleonard!

>>11329265
That's more from the general trend of tabletop gaming going out in favor of vidya, and Battletech have a bad rep in the gaming community because of muh spreadsheets.

>>11330117
>muh spreadsheets
You mean >muh tables?
Also they've had sizable booths at the recent cons I attended. They're making new product and it's leading to a bit of a resurgence.

>>11330129
I meant muh spreadsheets because I made a bunch to streamline games, they scared off new players when I tried an introduction game at the FLGS though.

>>11327857
Of course there are exceptions, but these are minor incidents most people never heard about. Do you actually know what a trend is?

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I have to say, OP's distinction is indeed pretty absurd and could only result in so called shitposting.

Just look at this fine [REDACTED]-design robot. Its inspiration is clearly from the [REDACTED] although it was made by [REDACTED] designers.

I know keeping this thread alive won't help but I feel like I had to say it.
We could make a better thread about "what sort of design you like for Mech ?" or something on the like

>>11330344
That's clearly eastern, probably from armored core. The one above has similar flanges, but they're not so exaggerated, clean or co-ordinated, so it's more likely to be a western design.

>>11329652
GM.

>captcha: 117

>>11329652
Mazinger.

>>11330339

inspiration is a big word for stealing a design from Armored Core 3.

>>11330000
Which they had absolutely no way of knowing, and said company believed they had the rights to sell said rights.

>>11330568
shit, i thought it was just me who think ronin looks like one of those pulverizers

>>11327688
>They're both eastern
I came here to say this and laugh at OP

>>11328368
>Not knowing Battletech lifted half of its designs from Macross

>>11327419
What about machines that are proportionally speaking, are physically more graceful than humans?

This idea that we'll always be using motors, ceramics, muscles or pistons to drive joints is pretty silly -- same as the idea that we'll only be using conventional boosters, jets and rockets.

The logical conclusion is to be manipulating the shape of space to fall in the direction you want to travel in (similar to how when humans walk, its like... Picture a sphere with a tall cuboid ontop: If you tilt the cuboid like / but want to keep the thing from falling over, the ball has to rotate to keep the cuboid semi-upright) -- and using contrasting fields of particles or energy to act as actuators rather than using any physical driver.

>>11330115
OMER!

>>11331204
ROSENTHAL

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I like them both though I lean more towards the "realistic" side of things then the move super fast and blow up everything instantly side.

>>11331266
Realistically, blowing everything up wouldn't be too hard for a mech even limited to modern technology.

The moving fast part would be another story though.

>>11327688
It's drawn by a western artist for a western game that's part of a western franchise, the original design from macross is eastern.

>>11331276
I meant more the whole shoot a "buster cannon" in one direction and blow up 30 grunts kind of thing.

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>>11331286
>the original design from macross is eastern.
???

>>11331286
Go back to your SD Autism Fighter Online thread, Crix

>>11331317
God that old art is horrendous. Who is responsible for that stuff anyways?

>>11331347
Evans.
He's done... okay stuff. But 3050U is horrid.

>>11331347
>old art
>says 06 clearly on the drawing

>>11331365
You mean eight years ago?

>>11327388
dumbass

>>11331370
Which isn't old compared to how long Battletech has been around.

>>11331317
>>11331365
This was drawn in 2006? Jesus Christ.
I thought this maybe had some sort of "Oh it was seen as pioneering art for western mecha" crutch going for it. I guess it's just garbage.
Jesus the arm joints don't even connect to both of the cannons at the same point.

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>>11331376
Nearly 1/3rd of the game's life.

>>11331389
Let's be honest, when most people say Battletech they mean Mechwarrior.

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>>11329652
>What is the plainest, most generic robot design that becomes notable because it is plain?

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America and Japan have been cross-pollenating each other since the end of WWII. For 60 years the countries have been closely tied.

As far as /m/ goes, Go Nagai was heavily influenced by Gerry Anderson. Mazinger being deployed from a pool that opens up? Totally inspired by Thunderbirds. I'm sure Eiji Tsuburaya musta been influenced by Anderson as well.

It's actually kinda beautiful, seeing how two radically different cultures have exchanged ideas and enriched each others' creations.

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>>11327226
The best designs are Eastern mechs hiding under Western aesthetics to varying degrees.

Armored Core, Front Mission, or Chromehounds.

To be honest though, almost all Western mechs end up somewhat same-ish after awhile, and that's coming from someone who got into mecha via Battletech/Mechwarrior and 40k. I don't know what it is exactly, but whether it's 40k, Battletech, or those other old/obscure Western mecha tabletop games, video games, or series, they all tend towards the same general aesthetic for human pilots and non-human pilots.

In comparison, Eastern designs run the gauntlet from literal walking tank designs to impossibly thin designs (such as Nagano's GTMs), and the only way to tell who did what is by mechanical designer or iconic series features.

>>11331130
So less than 20 designs from the 80s compared to the thousand or so they have now is half? Great math.

I know you're playing me but I hate how Battletech haters are stuck in 1990 and refuse to see anything other than "muh Macross!"

>>11332086
you're right
there's MUH DOUGRAM too

>>11332086
I sincerely doubt there's over a thousand different designs; since most are just upgraded variants, with a few being partial or total redesigns, and fewer still being actual new designs. Battletech's been mainly about keeping a standardized base across older lines so that old and new players won't have trouble adapting that much.

>>11332100
I've never seen anyone get butthurt over the Dougram designs, ever.
Which is funny, because Battletech is much more inspired by Dougram than Macross. I'm personally glad FASA had the good taste to ape the better series.

>>11332125
Sarna lists 544 unique chassis. I don't know if that's a complete list. How many of those have 2 or more unique art designs is anyone's guess.

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Best of both worlds?

>>11332215
x=good * y=good -> x+y = good
is a false statement, anon.

>>11332215
That looks more like a zeon style MS than the atlas. The only atlas-y thing it still has is a head.

>>11332215
Looks like the lovechild of a Novacat and an Atlas. Works for me.

>>11332255
if x=good and y=good, wouldn't x+y=twice as much good?

>>11332534
Not at all, because the reasons x is good and the reasons y is good likely both overlap partially and conflict partially. It's like saying "Hot milk is good, and cold milk is good, so room temperature milk will be even better!".

>>11332534
nachos are good
quiche is good
quiche nachos aren't a thing

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I like a fair few eastern mech designs but generally I like the stompy western ones better.

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East

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>>11333345
More East

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>>11333357
Who needs West when I got Front Mission?

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>>11333364

>>11333375
>stupidly exposed hip joints

It's even worse than the stupidly exposed shoulder joints.

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>>11329294
The fuck are you talking about? That looks like a fucking crane operator chair, not any Japanese mech design I've ever seen.

>>11327445
>>11327455

Syd Mead to be exact.
Although Tomino now wishes he could go back and make some changes to it.

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>>11327226

>>11331810
I endorse this post and all it stands for. Also, Gerry Anderson and all his shows were British.

>>11327226
Middle east

>>11332736
But the cafe I go to serves quiche and nachos with some sort of custom dip! It's absolutely divine!

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>>11327694
I think the creators (European) basically wanted to make an 'Appleseed the Miniatures Game' but with their own setting/IP and designs different enough.

Neither Western or Japanese mech designs exclusively conform to things like in those pictures. 5/10 you got a reply out of me.

>>11334232
WHO SAHIB HERE

>>11331116

nah, that's no pulverizers. it's just "assembled" from slightly modified AC3 parts; I don't remember exact names but those legs and arms are definitely there.

>>11335131

Yeah, pretty much. GITS/Appleseed were really popular with their generation.

>>11327226
Western design is usually horrible. Like anime disegn is not believable because we don't have a technology to build it, but western design is not believeable because it's just not gonna be usefull in combat. Typical western mech is so slow and clunky that any plane flying over will just shoot it. And with absurd technology we can at least suspend our disbelief.
Also vomit-inducing "aesthetics" of modern military all over the place.

>>11335326
Wot? Have you been living under a rock. Lots of western mecha are fast agile.

I still think Gundams look better than Transformers

>>11336173
I honestly think that pretty much all mobile suits look like ass, especially the Gundams. Far as favourite mecha goes I'd have to go Patlabor, the AV-98 Ingram gets me rock hard.

>>11327226
I'm happy with any, and open to new ideas, even if they might seem ridiculous at first glance.

Just as long as it's not this (>>11331317
) shit.

>>11336173
i like transformers the way i like brave or any super robot show

>>11331185
>This idea that we'll always be using motors, ceramics, muscles or pistons to drive joints is pretty silly -- same as the idea that we'll only be using conventional boosters, jets and rockets.

We've been using more or less the same internal combustion engine for the last hundred years. Lots of weapons haven't changed their appearance or function noticeably since the second world war. Just like in nature, there are some forms which simply don't need to evolve

>>11327874
>gay nip shit
>superior detail with dirt, rust, scratches

>Superrior Western Design
>shitty 3d animation

sure is right

>>11331810
Thunderbirds and captain scarlet were lucky enough to be made in the pre-star-wars era. That's why they look completely alien to the usual western sci-fi designs

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Oh its this kind of thread that compares stuff like this

>>11327226
West.
East made VVV, they have shit taste.

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>>11336603

to stuff like this

>>11336613
what engine his he using

>>11336613
Not an accurate comparison, since most of /m/ usually prefers AC3-LR. Sure it's still boost/overboost fast, but it's not 2Fast2Furious Mecha edition.

>>11327511
my nigga

>>11336626
Most of /m/ are crotchety old guys that are out of touch with reality so what they like doesn't really matter to me.

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>>11332215
Design aside, how is that loadout even close to an AS7-D?

>>11336613
how the Fuck is the pilot surviving those snap movements?

>>11336942
They're super-human.

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>>11327388
I agree

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>>11327762

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>>11330106
A Madcat is a heavily redrawn Glaug. Get over it.

>>11337330
You're half-right.
Which is, I suppose, better than being wrong. But not by that much.

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>>11337330
Nuh-uh! Madcat was ripped off from Exosquad!

>>11336613
>1.15
Unlimited energy isn't exactly an accurate representation.
Sure, permaflight was a thing and I was guilty of making permaflight builds all the time, but a quad doesn't move through the air like that under finite power. On the ground maybe, but not in the air.

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Like this?

>>11333565
that image in >>11329294 are xabungle walker machines


go fucking watch the show, I mean shit I idn't even see the file name and recognized it for what it was

>>11339180
Now lets be fair, I don't think DP9 ever intended for the HG Gears to be anything but homages to the VOTOMs AT's.