Mineva was wrong.

>>11146440
More like, Unicorn is completely unnecessary garbage and adds literally nothing useful to UC.

>>11146447
So is 0080 anon

>Unicorn ->... -> F91
What happened?

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To be honest, no one could really predict how douchey Darth Vader could get.

>>11146440
More like, F91 is completely unnecessary garbage and adds literally nothing useful to UC.

>>11146440

There will always be fuckheads like Iron Mask and his shithead friends.

Are you just gonna ignore the 20+ years of peace that happened?

>>11146462

UC is completely unnecessary garbage and adds literally nothing useful to UC.

>>11146456
0080 is not a huge event and it isn't pretending to be so, while Unicorn is trying to be a huge world-changing event that ultimately doesn't change a damn thing and has its moral killed as a result.

>>11146469
You mean the series where it's continually mentioned over and over that it might not change a thing?

Also >>11146463

Isn't Unicorn meant to "close the book" on the main UC story?

F91 and V always struck me as afterthoughts.

>>11146460
V V V TATSUMAKI!
COMBINE!
1!
2!
3!
4!
5!

>>11146472
>Unicorn always struck me as an afterthought.

FTFY

>>11146472
I'm gonna give you the benefit of the doubt here and just point out that F91 and V predate Unicorn by sixteen and fourteen years respectively, brosef.

>>11146476
the difference being that Unicorn is actually linked to the older UC series and F91 and V have nothing to do with them aside from mobile suit battles?

>>11146440
>Mineva was wrong.

well we got CANNIBALISM in the later part of UC

human are jerks, deal with it already

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>>11146476

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>>11146478
>that Unicorn is actually linked to the older UC series and F91 and V have nothing to do with them

see, this anon get it

>>11146460
Yep, that's definitely a terror weapon.

Could this sword be beat into a ploughshare?

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>>11146472
F91 was meant to be some sort of long-term continuation of UC that fell apart behind the scenes and was nothing more than a short theatrical movie, V was nice but happened before Tomino realized alternate universes were a thing and could be applied to the Gundam franchise with minimum consequences. Victory easily could have been a AU with the show still being 99% the same.

>>11146472
unicorn closed absolutely nothing. CCA was supposed to close Char vs Amuro and by association zeon vs the federation, after he didn't manage to ensure msg got any sequels.

>>11146506
>make mini versions of it
>use it to cut lawn
>or terrorize neighbor kids.

>>11146507
>V was nice but happened before Tomino realized alternate universes were a thing and could be applied to the Gundam franchise with minimum consequences.

Considering BanRise was basically strong-arming another Gundam show out of him at that point, I don't imagine he was terribly concerned about consequences to the timeline.

>>11146463
This is a legitimate point. Pre-Unicorn we see four major wars over the course of twenty years. Post-Unicorn we see three major wars over the course of sixty years. The situation got better. War didn't completely vanish, sure, but on the whole the world was a more peaceful place.

Let's be fair guys.

Unicorn could have changed everything and made things happy as fuck in Earth orbit.

But then Jupiter ruined everything, again.

>>11146616
So you're saying that all we really need to do, is kill everyone from Jupiter?
A final solution for the Jupe problem, as it were?

>>11146602
Is F91 even a major war?

>>11146629
Well the OYW, Gryps Conflict, and Neo Zeon Wars were absolute bloodbaths. Nothing in human history can compare to the death toll of OYW.

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>>11146623
Precisely.

>>11146581
>and by association zeon vs the federation
no it didnt, the movie was always marketed as final battle between Char and Amuro, nothing more. the actual plot did nothing to resolve the issue of spacenoid independence or how to bring peace to the world, it was just something that just happened between CCA and F91.

>>11146655
>How to bring peace to the world

So if it's not a happy ending, it isn't over? That goes beyond being in denial over unicorn not resolving anything at all.

>>11146629
Not really, no. It takes place over a short period of time and doesn't really spread out beyond Side 4. Zanscare seemed to be the only ones who achieved planetfall, though the Jovians came close.

>>11146456
I understand if you said 0083, but 0080 never even pretended it was supposed to leave some sort of mark on the timeline.

>>11146472
>>11146486
I hate you both.

>>11146478
>>11146486
Victory and f91 share just as many themes, technological similarities and story elements with early UC as something like Unicorn.
The difference is they aren't just jamming down blatant cameo after blatant cameo as far down your throat as they can so they can make sure the chuuni's see Unicorn as a 'sequel' by their narrow definition of the word. (And of course so they can sell extra kits to nostalgiafags)

>>11146456
Fucking this. Pretentious garbage that should have never been animated.
>war is bad
>buy the cool mass destruction weapons by bandai!

>>11146457
Hathaway and Mars Zeon

>>11146457
>What happened?
HF happened, kidding. its, F91 is 27 years after Unicorn, plenty of time to screw something up

>>11146440
More like "Human nature prevails".

>>11147369
>>buy the cool mass destruction weapons by bandai!
I fucking wish they'd let me!
>HGUC Zaku Kai only came out a few years ago
>only 1/100 option is recasts of B-Club conversion kit
>same deal with Gelgoog Jaeger
>Kaempfer MG is one of the worst

>>11147394
You can always buy some hamburgers.

>HURF DURF UNICORN WAS USELESS BECAUSE LATE UC
notice how the world has had wars since the last World War which was supposed to be the last great conflict in human history
peace doesn't last forever

Angelo was still pissed over Banagher's ideal world. So he actively fought against it with the Crossbone Vanguard.

>>11146457
>>11146478
>>11146616

Unicorn isn't canon.

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>>11148329
>people actually think this

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I can't wait for Reconguista to show how fucked up UC was with the whole cannibalism thing

>>11148403
I doubt that'll really be shown, or even talked about outside of side-materials, but it does sound intriguing

>>11148420
One of the characters' whole deal is that he's a member of the group of people that got cannibalized.

>>11146456
0080 reiterates and captures the spirit of UC perfectly. Unicorn is just new age garbage that has no place in the UC timeline.

>>11146641
>Gryps Conflict, and Neo Zeon Wars were absolute bloodbaths

Not really. They were fought between tiny factions that had ships in the dozens, whereas the OYW had ships in the hundreds. Even if you include some massacres like the Titans gassing a colony or Dublin being destroyed it's probably more comparable to the genocide of the Frontier colony in F91. Small beans compared to the OYW

>>11148434
>0080 reiterates and captures the spirit of UC perfectly.
Shitty pandering to mechafags and "messages" as deep as cardboard?

>>11148434
Universal Century IS new age garbage, you dolt.

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Minerva also said that FF just has the memories of Char and at the end it turned out that FF was actually possessed by the ghost of Char.

She isn't almighty.

Well F91 had a giant space flower. I thought /m/ didn't like these.

>>11148508
>She isn't almighty
i thought that was the point? shes just a person with some baggage.

>>11146440

Unicorn makes it so F91 and Victory are no longer canon.

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>>11148403
>cannibalism
What?

>>11148508
Who created Full Frontal's body? Was it Neo Zeon?

>>11148520
Or we just accept that humanity is too stupid to find peace and will always go back fighting stupid conflicts.

>>11148480

What's a deep message in your opinion out of interest? Cause every message is pretty superficial when you know it and most every message a show can give is something anyone beyond the age of 15 or so is going to have seen in something or other. Genuinely curious what you think is a deep message here.

>>11148525
Neo Zeon. Nobody else has a reason for cloning him.

>>11148544
I don't know why the EF didn't just clone him and install him as a puppet leader of the colonies.

>>11148547
Neo Zeons were the once who had a thing for cloning. See the Ples.

And the EF probably wouldn't want to take a risk that big.
>giving Zeon a new Char

>>11148538
Nothing really, I don't watch anime for a message, and the fact 0080 tries so hard to be "deep" while spamming gunplas kits pisses me off a little bit.

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>>11148558
>Char clone
>has an opposite personality like a Puru
I'm now imagining a retard-Char running around shouting CHAR CHAR CHAR

>>11148525
G-Reko backstory: very very late UC has space elevators collapsing (see also: Turn A for allusions to this) that put the earth into a similar situation seen in X. Without any food people are reduced to cannibalism apparently I hope Tomino hasn't become friends with Urobochi or something

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>>11148597
It's not deep as much as the story is simple compared to all the newtype business and otherwise in MSG. It's good, but not ground breaking in anyway with the message it portrays.

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>>11148608
>I hope Tomino hasn't become friends with Urobochi or something
I'm pretty sure Tomino had some sort of influence on him.

>>11148597

Gundam was not all about Gunpla until 1993 when Bandai bought Sunrise. The Gunpla is actually what financed the show after the huge flop in 1979. These shows need to sell to justify for the money producers spent on it. But they doesn't exist just for that.

>>11148635
I know it, but the kid is basically a self-insert for the average modeller (he goes out on the battlefield to know more about weapons, he likes to collect stuff, he starts "opinion wars" about GMs and Zakus), then you see him dropping this attitude after the Bernie's death and it is like the anime is telling you that his attitude was, not only childish, but something to be ashamed (because yeah, a Gundam is not cool anymore if it makes hamburgers from you BFF). then you see Bandai dropping ~10 plamos of units that had 2 minutes top of screentime from a 6 episode long series.
Honestly, I think I can almost touch the hypocrisy of this anime and its "message" and I feel a bit insulted.

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>>11148668
>I feel a bit insulted
It's a fucking cartoon, get over yourself.

>>11148668
Are you sure it's not just that you get really really angry whenever something feels smarter than you and then you start lashing out at it for daring to not intentionally be as retarded as you want?

>>11148668
We're buying the model kits ironically.

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>>11148668
Do you literally burst into flames when you think about Evangelion?

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>>11148508
Why does FF always looks so fat? This is not how a clone of the sexiest man of the universe is supposed to look.

>>11148704
No, because Anno is a good troll and the anime had hot girls to compensate.

>>11148709
Blame the character design of Unicorn.

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>>11148714
>thinking Anno is actually trolling

>>11148668
the contrast between thinking mechs are cool and the horrors of war was something done since the beginning by Tomino. It wasn't just 0080, 0080 just rehashes the same theme. Tomino's been doing that message since Zambot. We the viewer as mecha fans dream of being a pilot and would embrace the opportunity, but as Kappei, Amuro, Kamille etc. showed, there are consequences to piloting a very cool mecha. You could end up traumatized after saving the world with no tangible award. (like fame and fortune). but the mechs are cool, that's part of the main appeal. just like Tomcats are cool but actually flying them is risky and dangerous.

>>11148668
>>11148881
and behind the scenes Tomino has always butted heads with executives and sponsors that wanted more emphasis on the plamo. He never let that get in the way of telling a story. But the mechs are cool so they need proper screen time. It won't feel like an epic war of attrition if you don't have constant battles every episode.

>>11148668
mobile suits are tools of war.
and weapons are cool.
if Bernie wasn't a shit pilot then he wouldn't have turned into hamburger. He just needed a case of get good.

>>11148899
So he wacks Christina and the message remains?

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>>11148508
>at the end it turned out that FF was actually possessed by the ghost of Char.

>>11148520
>Unicorn makes it so F91 and Victory are no longer canon.

Unicorn follows the continuity of the Beltorchika's Children manga and it isn't canon to the main UC series.

>>11146440
I don't get it, what was she wrong about?

>>11149049
This assumption has been wrong since it was first made because Bandai said their special snowflake manga was "semi official."

Stop being faggots.

>>11149049

Unicorn is consistent with early UC animation so there's no reason to not call it canon.

>>11149049
>Unicorn follows the continuity of the Beltorchika's Children manga and it isn't canon to the main UC series.

You realize that we see the nu gundam and a childless Beltorchika in Unicorn, right?

>>11149024
I don't have the energy to go find it but go look up the interviews with Furuhashi and Fukui. They imply it pretty strongly it in there.

>>11146440
>mankind keeps having wars
HOW UNPREDICTABLE

>>11149049
That fucking denial

>>11148608
>I'm now imagining a retard-Char running around shouting CHAR CHAR CHAR
Gundam-san's Char is canon.

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>>11149056
Nothing, this thread is retarded. Mineva was trying to usher in the new century without the plague of Zeon and the curse of the Box.

Anyone that thinks she was trying to put an end to war is an idiot. She's good-intentioned, but not naive.

Besides, the Crossbone conflict, in spite of it going on for a full five years, was so uneventful that the Federation literally sat it out and let it work itself out for the ENTIRE "war." I think in the grand scheme of things, about four or five colonies total were affected. The Crossbone Vanguard was a fucking joke.

>>11149066
>You realize that we see the nu gundam in Unicorn, right?

And we also see the nu gundam in Beltorchika's Children.

>>11149091
I think that does have an affect by the time V Gundam happens. The Federation got real soft.

>>11149093
it was completed as the hinu in B.C.

>>11149099
Nope, they just didn't have the money or influence to really do much to stop the Gattle party, due to the economy plummeting.

>>11149093
We see Mineva, Judau, Amuro, Char, etc in Gigantis' Counterattack.
It is more canon than Unicorn.

>>11149114

Does that mean if I write a story up involving every single UC character ever it'll be more canon than 0079? Cause that's essentially what you're saying.

>>11149114

I'm okay with that.

>>11149067
>>11149024

It's in the motherfucking movie.

>>11149024
>citation needed
Mobile Suit Gundam Unicorn Episode 7

>>11148668
You think 0080 was supposed to be some kind of morality piece, and not just a character based story? It's about how the characters develop, not sitting around saying how war is something to never respect or be interested in. Al wasn't a military otaku who ended the series by burning all his display pieces, he just didn't understand what war was.

The main thing people get wrong is this part. The same people who don't realize military museums sell tank kits and sometimes have cockpit sitting photo sessions. You don't have to hate everything about war just cause you know what it is. Tanks are still cool.

Besides, if it wanted to make war look so bad, it wouldn't have such awesome fight animation. I still love watching the fights even if I know how sad they are at the same time. Doesn't this mentality mean you also have to hate every military series not paced like Jarhead?

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>>11146440

>>11149024
Maybe I missed that. It would make sense considering the whole "I'm a vessel of the people's wishes" stuff.

I took as Frontal was a clone of Char, with his memories, but is aware he isn't actually Char, just a copy. Frontal isn't possessed by Char's consciousness, but influenced by Char's memories and personality implanted in the cloning process. Frontal's consciousness is then sent to the same plain where Char's is as a result of Banagher's will in super saiyin newtype mode.

>>11149437

Wow I sure missed some shit by skipping Victoly eh?

>>11149260
There is no such movie


There IS, however, an OVA episode

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>>11149545
it's worth watching for the fights and the silly shit /m/ always brings up from time to time

How do you fix the damage that Unicorn has done to the timeline without removing it?

>>11149581

What's the red thing she's pushing around in front of her. I saw a webm of it the other day and still couldn't really figure it out. Looks way too big and different from the suit to be a shield.

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>>11149608
It's not a shield, it's wreckage - specifically, the bow of a Lysithea class warship.

There's some deep symbolism here, you know. The twin barrel gun turret on that piece of wreckage symbolizes a pair of tits.

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>>11149581
>Uso's face

>>11149049
> >>11149024

>>11149607
Nothing, because it doesn't change a damn thing, ya poopyhead. The rest of the timeline remains perfectly intact.

That's the problem a lot of people have with it, actually.

>>11148608
I am sure Tomino doesn't like Butcher because Butcher likes killing off characters to deliver emotional impacts while Tomino prefers killing them off for the sake of anti-war propaganda.

>>11147369
0080 is one of the most down to earth gundams and basically the only one where the characters talk like real people.

Unicorn's characters CONSTANTLY go on long philosophical tangents about life, the universe an everything. It's also basically sets itself up to be the ultimate conclusion to the Zeon/Federation conflict and the great explanation for everything early-UC. THAT'S pretension.

>>11146478
F91 and victory show the slow decay of the Federation after being weakened by contant wars and the result of the autonomy the colonies always wanted so bad: A bunch of small warring states and Zeon wannabes.

So wait, does G-Reco take place in the same timeline as UC? I know it's not "in" the Universal Century, but takes place in the era "after" it. So that means they just switched to a new calendar and it's still the same universe?

>>11146440
All the more reason Unicorn isn't canon. Otherwise the moment the Crossbone Vanguard showed up you'd have the UNDERSTANDING Squad flying in to beat their asses with super newytype Haxs

>>11150600
>implying Seabook wasn't a one man UNDERSTANDING squad

...actually wait, that nigga was just looking for Cecily the entire time.

>>11150594
Yes, but it sounds like it's so far ahead that any of the UC series basically wont matter and it might as well be a clean slate.

The Federation, for example don't even exist anymore. I think they just go with the "this is a continuation of the UC universe" pretense as a ploy to get UCfags to be more interested in it. Otherwise it sounds like it could be an AU no problem.

>>11150609

Yeah, sounds like it. Thanks

>>11150542
Tomino can write a happy ending while Urobochi can't. Hell, we could argue that Rebellion was done because Urobochi wasn't content with the bittersweet ending of the TV Series.

>>11150633
[OT]
There are interviews about why Rebellion was even made to begin with and IIRC Urobochi was just told to write it like that to leave an opening for a possible "more Madoka" in the future.
[/OT]

>>11150643
that's what SHAFT wants you to believe. It's been close to a year already and still no announcement has been made for S2.

>>11150648
>that's what SHAFT wants you to believe.
Well, it is SHAFT that pays Urobochi, I don't see why they would let Urobochi do whatever he wants instead of telling him what to do, and I see nothing wrong with admitting plain and simple that they want to milk the title.

>>11146447
I think everyone knew that when it was apparent it was an attempt to further cash on CCA by recycling it.

>>11150660
that's the problem of being set in-between F91 and CCA.

>>11146478
The only real tangible benefit that Unicorn adds is clearing up Amuro and Char's fates for good. And even then that can always be retconned by Sunrise if they need it.

F91 got screwed over by Sunrise and Bandai's merger and behind the scenes production issues as a result of that, which nixed its chances.

Victory simply takes place in further away from it and places emphasis on the conflict like F91, no longer centers around Zeon or Zeon remnants.

>>11150672
>The only real tangible benefit that Unicorn adds is clearing up Amuro's fate for good
Did it?

>>11150672
And yet some faggots still being denial about it

>>11150678
yes. you'd only notice it if you watched the Japanese version. Otherwise you'd miss it since his ghost is formless unlike Char's and Lalah's

>>11150678
You clearly hear Amuro exchange a line with Char while beyond the time, its pretty clear-cut now what happened after CCA.

>>11150687
Not having Ocean Group doing the dub was unfortunate. Honestly, I can't stand Unicorn's dub. Everyone sounds so flat, except for Angelo. And whose bright idea was it for Steve Staley to be a third Gundam protag?

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>>11150687
>>11150698
Wasn't that scene at the "end of the time"? Sunrise can always say that Amuro was dead at the "end of the time", not during the "present time".

>>11150721
that would be way too pushing it. since the scene before it was clearly his soul coming from the Nu Gundam.

Though I'd like to see the faces of the UC elitists after Amuro is resurrected.

>>11149581
>Pure hearted

I'm pretty sure he ain't after so many titties and dying bitches

Unicorn is fine. All that happened was a few skirmishes involving terrorists and a propaganda speech.

There was no colony drop or mass rise of another Zeon force. The princess of Zeon said some pretty things on television and no one cared.

0083 is a far bigger offender of pretending to be important but being completely irrelevant. They try to explain how the Titans came to be but completely fail to present any sort of logical sequence of events topped off by a colony drop that makes it impossible for 0083 to be canon since in Zeta, ZZ, and CCA no map of Earth shows any kind of colony drop damage in North America.

>>11150963
At least Gato could be called a real villain, unlike Full Frontal.

>>11150995
Gato was just a retarded zealot who could barely be considered any better than a villain of the week. Everything in 0083 was Jamitov pulling the strings.

The problem with Full Frontal is his pseudo-supernatural association with Char.

Full Frontal is just a politician looking to flip the economic balance and turn the colonies into a new Federation while also being a capable pilot. In essence he's the same kind of character as the other political leaders of radical reformation organizations in UC.

Unicorn's problem has always been execution. 0083s problem is that everything about it is retarded and the most interesting parts of the story happen so far off screen that the main story is pointless.

>>11150963
>>11151011
The weird thing about 0083 was that Jamitov wasn't even the guy in charge of the conspiracy, it was like some other Fed admiral that I can't remember what happened to.

>>11146480
is this in unicorn or something else Im curious spoiler it for me if you have to

>>11151937
Backstory of G-reco

Basically, end of UC is apocalyptic

>>11150608
I always liked that about Seabook and Usso.

Everyone else is all "muh ideals/understanding" and then these guys are all like, "Man, I just want my waifu."

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>>11150608
Ironically, this is exactly what Banagher was doing the whole time with Mineva, and people still give him shit.

The one time he tried UNDERSTANDING, it backfired horribly, and he never tried again after that.

This is why I think /m/ is like a special needs child whenever they bitch about UNDERSTANDING in Unicorn; a big theme in Unicorn is that UNDERSTANDING is overrated and you can't rely on it to stop conflict. No one person or group can stop conflict, it's simply not something you can predict or stop. The only thing you can do as an individual is be the best person you can possibly be and trust the potential of other people to do the same. Be an example for others and be there to help those you care about. It's just a more optimistic take on the theme of human nature in Gundam, as opposed to the usual bleak one.

Long story short, Unicorn's just telling you to stop being such goddamn misanthropes.

>>11150963
Maps don't show giant craters unless they're filled with water afterwards.

Also 0083 is canon since Mobile Suits from that show appeared in the Zeta movies, which is the canon timeline.

>>11147394
You forgot

>The HGUC Alex is shit.
>The MG Alex is even worse than the Kampfer MG.
>There's not even a MG Gelgoog Jaeger.

>>11152230
>Also 0083 is canon since Mobile Suits from that show appeared in the Zeta movies, which is the canon timeline.
Fuck off.

Not the "0083 is canon" part, but the "Zeta movies are canon timeline part." I swear, this bait is getting so old.

>>11152647
But it's not bait or trolling when it's true.

The fact you go just cover your ears and go 'lah lah lah' proves that.

>>11147369
>Pretentious garbage that should have never been animated.
Listen, pal. Trolling is supposed to be subtle. ie. don't attack a legitimately good show, don't reduce your arguments to catchphrases, and please, don't use that goddamn fucking "P word".

>>11147453
>notice how the world has had wars since the last World War which was supposed to be the last great conflict in human history
It was, in a sense. One huge war between superpowers kills more people than several smaller ones. The statistics prove it: the 20th century (especially the second half) is the most peaceful period in recorded history.

>>11152666
A New Translation is an alternate timeline. The canon course of events is the anime series for the simple reason that AnT's finale contradicts everything about ZZ.

>>11152806
Hit a nerve?

>>11152853
Which logically means both ZZ AND Unicorn are part of the alternate timeline.

>>11148668
>and it is like the anime is telling you that his attitude was, not only childish, but something to be ashamed
What? Did you watch Bernie's farewell video or not? The message is that you shouldn't be holding on to hate.

>I think I can almost touch the hypocrisy of this anime and its "message" and I feel a bit insulted.
It's not hypocrisy when you separate the storytelling interests from the corporate ones. War In The Pocket is only the most contrasting example in Gundam, but there are many others elsewhere.

>>11148597
>while spamming gunplas kits pisses me off a little bit.
>then you see Bandai dropping ~10 plamos of units that had 2 minutes top of screentime from a 6 episode long series.
It's a neccesary evil in the case of anime. See >>11148889: Gundam would've been cancelled if Tomino hadn't inserted idiotic garbage like the G-Armor to please the sponsors.
And this "pure art/corporate garbage" is a false equivalence.

>and the fact 0080 tries so hard to be "deep"
I don't see where it's the "trying hard to be deep". I'd argue that is the case in Unicorn or SEED. 0080 is very straightforward and not explicitally preachy until the very end.

Shakti was such a shitty mother to Karlmann.

>>11155747
she was too young to raise a kid

>>11155790
On that note. Did Katejina have some sort of autistic spectrum disorder? People in Victory except some of obviously insane people were pretty neurotypical.

How she acted in the beginning of the series and future actions.

I am just lead to come to the conclusion that she was a unstable girl from bad home who got involved in the perfect storm.

She was a sociopath, not an autist. But that too; basically, she had the evil and was given the opportunity to use it.

>>11155871
But anon, the internet told me that anybody with the slightest bit of emotional unbalance or strangeness to their character is autistic! The internet are trained psychologists, they know what they're talking about.

>>11155799
Personally, I think Katejina's obsession with Uso sort of reflects Asperger's Syndrome. Her home conditions in Prague might have been part of it but I assume she suffered trauma from being taken from her only friend (one which she's protective over), then from being dragged off the Earth.

Her line to him at the final battle, where she asks if after all that had happened he would take her anyway, kind of showed how all of the distance she'd spent from Uso continued to build this convoluted image of him. She begs for her own death because of "the perfect storm" as you put it.

And certainly don't forget that the Angel Halo was clearly fucking with her brain by the end of the series.

>>11155799
I think the scenes to establish her character was just missing for some reason. Heard she was better written in the novel where she became a cyber-newtype after being saved by Chronicle.

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>>11150698
Then what about that shot of Amuro's char at the end of #7 during Minerva's transmission?

>>11152230
>Zeta movies canon
inb4 butthurt and "muuuh zz canon"

>>11156079
She did that to stab uso in the back though.

>>11156138
The comment had a layer of honesty in my eyes, even if she was using her menial feelings to manipulate Uso's intimate feelings.