Was Christianity a mistake for Europe?

>>9969081
I wouldn't say it was for europe in general, but definitely for rome
making christianity the official religion of rome did more bad than good, it brought the questions of sectarianism and academic disputes of christianity right to the government's feet, while ostracizing a large portion of the roman heartland who had been praying to the roman gods for generations, and the following movement of the capital to the east didn't win them back much either

yes
islam is the true answer

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>>9969081
It was necessary for uniting Europe and revealing the inadequacy of egalitarianism

Now we must build a new God on its ashes

>>9969091
The empire was already in deep decline and nearing collapse in the 200's AD. Christianity arguably resurrected the empire and made it last for another 200 years. The reason why people turned to Christianity and other eastern religions was because they stopped believing in the roman gods. Keep in mind, there were also other problems on the horizon as well. The Roman heartland was long abandoned anyways. Before Constantinople, the capital of the empire was Ravenna for an entire generation. Moving the capital to the east gave the empire the ability to exist for another 1000 years.

i think you could argue both for and against

>>9969081
Christianity is relatively open for interpretation.
Just because the current Pope is a steaming faggot doesn't mean it's all bad.

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>>9969889
Yeah. Don’t you feel there’s something missing though? The English used to have their own gods. Native gods who were connected to land and blood. It feels like something is missing in my culture and all I have left of it is watered-down myths which were passed down into folklore; and even that’s been taken away.

I feel like industrialization was a mistake for mankind.

>>9969921

Just go into your backyard and beat the earth for energy

>>9969889
What's wrong with the current pope? Tbh, he seems like the least divisive one I can remember, and he's actually giving the church the appearance of being Christian due to the focus on love, acceptance and tolerance. Earlier popes saying "I don't like what you're doing, stop doing that" based on their own opinions just pushes people away from the church desu

>>9970042
I was writing a whole post about why I think Francis is a terrible pope, but I got halfway through it and realised that I’m not going to change some Redditor’s mind so why bother? Go back there.

>>9970042
weak b8 desu

>>9970042
Are you implying hating the sin is not biblical?

>>9970055
I bet that's exactly what jesus would do.

>>9970057
Just defaulting to hating things when the Bible doesn't necessarily support hating those things is not biblical, yes

>>9970055

Sure you were.

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>>9969081
Czech it out

List of actual mistakes in Europe :

Catharism
William of Ockham
Templars burnt by the asshole king Philip IV Le Bel
Neoplatonism
Pagan revival/Humanism and Renaissance overall
Reformation
Descartes
Enlightment
French Revolution
Napoleon
Industrialization
Crimean war
WW1
WW2
Vatican II (yet SSPX and SSP preserved Catholicism from it)
Neo-paganism

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>>9970398
This desu

>>9969081
Doesn't matter, the paleolithic European genes would still be there regardless of what religion one would adhere to.

>>9970398
>no neolithic revolution
get out pleb

>>9969081
de Benoist doesn't have a single original idea. All these neo-pagans are armchair neo-pagans. They're atheists who think it's cool to larp muh heritage shit that hasn't existed for millenia.

Heidegger tried the whole "Christianity was a mistake, let's go neopagan" and he gave us Derrida and Judith Butler.

If you want a good critique of human rights read Alasdair "Human Rights are emotivist" Macintyre.

>>9969921
Find me a single neo-pagan system that isn't just syncretic Islam. Varg's world view is closer to monotheistic Islam than it is to any pre-Socratic or Roman religion.

>>9970398
Turanic expansion, Byzantine throne games, mass psychology, feminism, socialism, capitalism, national socialism, republicanism...

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>>9970428
>Heidegger tried the whole "Christianity was a mistake, let's go neopagan"
What the hell
>>9970434
>neo-pagan system that isn't just syncretic Islam
What the hell (again)

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>>9970398
The only mistake was not wiping christians off the face of the earth

>>9970446
Heidegger is the only neo-pagan to not have a system that is crypto-Islam.

All other neo-pagan larpers are just henotheists who have replaced Allah with Zeus/Odin etc. Watch Varg's vid where he says that all Europeans worshipped the same god but by a different name.

They can't escape a conception of an eternal god, which was Heidegger's critique. Instead they have a "le manly warrior" henotheistic religion which isn't far off from Islam.

Varg and most neo-pagans would convert to Islam if it were a 100% white religion. Varg admits that he would prefer his kids convert to Islam if it would still preserve their blonde hair and blue eyes.

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In my view, true Christianity never fully took place among Europeans. Only in a few places, during a few generations. Calvinist Geneva, Presbyterian Scotland, Protestant England and Puritan America.

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>>9970467
>Heidegger
>neo-pagan

>>9970482
Yeah, we get it, frog poster. You're too dumb to realize Heidegger is neo-pagan who wants you to worship finite gods and then accept oblivion. Anything else is "idolatry." Not even Heidegger can escape Judeo-Christian morality. He still rails against idols despite having de-strukted meaning.

>>9970398
dont forget G*rmany

>>9970398
>Neoplatonism
uhmmm.. no sweety.. xxx

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>>9970398
>Enlightenment
>Industrialisation

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>>9970442
>socialism
>capitalism

>>9970502
>christweenies can't even understand the separation of church and state and the fact that the state should be blind to the ideology and not grant or remove special favours based on ideology even though it's the central foundation of the foundation of America

lol

>>9970501
Caitlyn is a Christian and Ricky Gervais is pretty funny, so I don't see anything wrong with him

Yes. Haven't read the book, though.

The Christianity of old was at least halfway respectable, though, due to the aristocratic leadership and genuine belief. The Spanish Inquisition was quite good actually. The crusades showed vigour, even though I couldn't care less about the "holy land". There's even something to be said for Protestant work ethic.

The servile morality and the Middle-Eastern origin make it absolute cancer with the democracy of today, where it is easily manipulated by Jews with their "Judeo-Christian" narrative. The happy clappy idiots welcoming refugees doesn't help either.

I wish the Nazis had replaced it with "muh paganism".

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>>9970659
>The Spanish Inquisition was quite good actually

>>9970683
>t. marrano
just read serious sources fucking faggot

>>9970467
Can you please tell me what your understanding of neo-paganism is in more detail? Who all would be included in that? What do you base this opinion on?

>>9970616
Mercantilism is the way to go, lad. Kill the bankers, don't teach the proles how to read.

>>9970722
Did you know (((they))) referred to burnt offerings sacrificed to the Lord as "holocausts"? Take that in for a moment, savor your keks.

The Catholic Church is the sole reason why the fragments and sometimes whole pieces of works from the classical world have come down to us.

To quote Macaulay: she is the ark of which we read in the Book of Genesis; for a thousand years after the fall of Rome, she alone rode, above darkness and tempest, on the deluge beneath which all the great works of ancient power and ancient wisdom lay entombed, carrying within her the germ that would give rise to a second and still more glorious european civilization.

>>9970398
the renaissance was only bad for thought, not art. fucking romans man, why couldnt they have rediscovered the greeks instead

>>9969921
The English had English saints, who, unlike the gods, actually existed. I would rather honor (dullia, not latria) a great man like Bede than some tree god. Traditions/festivals/local customs/etc continued throughout the Christian period.

>>9970398
Take Descartes out and I'm absolutely with you.

>>9970683
It originally targeted the Cathars, who were absolutely insane and evil.

>>9970967
Descartes was a devout Catholic who would have been horrified at what his philosophy led to

>>9970977
Frankly Descartes always felt like the kind of man who appreciated reason, but if it conflicted with his catholicism would throw it away.
Neoplatonism and the Enlightenment were fucking cults.

>>9970952
the irony of this post makes me smirk

>>9969948

This, sort of, corporatization and the dehumanization of workers as being nothing more than easily replaced cogs in a wheel where you can just use and abuse them and walk away with fortunes in your pockets as you leave the areas, communities and to an extent environment itself in a state of such deep disarray and destruction.

>Not advocating for socialism or communism

>>9971176
i hope it tickled your wickedly handsome nihilistic self

>>9970428
>Heidegger tried the whole "Christianity was a mistake, let's go neopagan
For like what? 1% of his lifetime? Hediegger didn't like neo-pagans, he thinks of them as much as he thinks of Greece and it's tourism industry

pro tip : He hates it.

>>9970042
>Tbh, he seems like the least divisive one I can remember, and he's actually giving the church the appearance of being Christian due to the focus on love, acceptance and tolerance
So basically he's being a faggot and appealing to faggots that have no fucking clue about Christianity (as well as those who want to virtue signal as Christians without actually being christian). Possibly the MOST heretical thing he's done is say "lol you can go to heaven even if you're not Catholic!1!"
This directly goes against the whole "I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me" thing

>>9973717
So Christ was a faggot? Really makes me think.

>>9973717
That in no way implies you have to be to Catholic to get into heaven lmao. That can also be interpreted in many ways, for example, if you follow jesus' teachings, and many moral systems align with those teachings, then you get into heaven. There's not even any reason to assume "cometh unto the father" means go to heaven, it could mean have a personal connection with God while you're one earth, or be with God in heaven. Maybe if jesus didn't give such vague teachings, when you were being a whiny faggot denouncing things you don't like as heresy, you'd be correct. The ironic thing is you're the one who has no fucking clue about Christianity, because you're assuming your specific interpretation is correct without evidence, despite other interpretations even being more convincing - for example, the "follow teachings" method of getting into heaven is more in line with an omnibenevolent God

>>9970641
>Caitlyn is a Christian
The castrated former Olympic athlete formerly known as Bruce is the metaphysical opposite of a Christian.

>>9973914
I don't think she's been castrated, and how exactly is she the metaphysical opposite of a Christian?

>being so autistic you go out of your way to specify the pre-transition individual
Cringe

>>9969948
We fell at the beginning and we will keep falling until the end of time.

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>>9970659
>The servile morality and the Middle-Eastern origin make it absolute cancer with the democracy of today
It's the liberalism that is cancer, not the democracy. There had been Catholic democracies in city-states during the Middle Ages. Dante should be considered the ideal of a democratic statesman.

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>>9973917
wow, nice bait, it would be a shame if I fell for it

>>9973945
>if I call everything I don't like bait I never have to defend or substantiate my nonsensical claims
Nice approach xD

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>>9973950
Bruce Banner's life is a travesty of the highest degree. He rejected his god-given properties to transcend his own essence, which is a futile effort. Essence precedes existence and you cannot invert that as a Christian. Get rekt.

Also no gays and effeminates according to the Bible:

>A woman shall not wear a man's garment, nor shall a man put on a woman's cloak, for whoever does these things is an abomination to the Lord your God.

> Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

>>9973959
>Bruce Banner
Holy shit, I freuded the heck out of that. But yes, in a way Jenner's transition to Caitlyn mimicks the grotesque transformation into the Hulk.

>>9973959

>Bruce Banner's life is a travesty of the highest degree

Seriously it's fucking grotesque.

>>9973959
How do you know his essence wasn't female? Biological mistakes happen

Weird, I don't remember any of those quotes coming from jesus, yet he's the only who's never wrong and the only one who doesn't just spout opinion

>>9973983

>Biological mistakes happen

Exhibit A: (You)

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>>9973983
>his essence
Now I know you're just shitposting.

>>9973985
Not an argument

>>9973986
Her essence, whatever, I don't care and that's not an attempt at a substantive refutation

I wish Europe had spirituality without Gods, like Buddhism. An authority for good behaviour, with reverence for humanity. A response to the epidemic of selfish ugliness

>>9974051
Well, it does https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverence_for_Life

But that Buddhism sucks as a religion, it has no community imperative

>>9969091
Rome was a decadent shithole by then.

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>>9969097
What’s to say we can’t repurpose existing Christian theology, and attempt to cast mass computerisation(immersion at the expense of real life in particular) as another Tower of Babel. I feel like that gives us a good basis.

>>9970474
> ignoring Italy

>>9970807
And we need another movement to preserve us today since society is going full Fahrenheit 451.

>>9974051
Live the examined life, literally start with the Greeks. Particulary the Stoics, who you may find share many parallels with Christians.

>>9974126
Read my post again, I'm saying that Calvinism is true biblical Christianity. Those were the countries where it was expressed. However I do agree that Italy achieved a lot, being one of the oldest Christian expressions in Europe.

>>9970474
>true Christianity
>ignores almost the entire body of the Church Fathers
really transsubstantiates my brain cells

>>9974144
You think that Calvinists ignore the entire body of the Church Fathers? Do you know the author that Calvin cited the most? Augustine.
It is a complete misconception that the early Church Fathers were all unified and all in agreement with the Roman Catholic Church.

>>9970416
That was an Asian mistake

>>9974159
>wilfully misinterpreting Augustine and denying the holy tradition of the Church
Enjoy purgatory, heretic.

>>9974135

Saying Catholicism isn’t true Christianity is as retarded as saying Leninism isn’t true communism.

>Christcuck larpers.
Love how nu-atheist turned to nu-christians just because Peterson made 1 video.

>>9974217
now who might you be?

No, it was just another form of political capital. If it wasn't Christianity it would have been something else equally enticing.

p.s. not religious

>>9974186
Purgatory. One of many doctrines that once did not exist but is now an infallible dogma of the Roman Catholic Church.

>>9969921
People fought for centuries to be free from grovelling worship of the environment as a food source, the sky or it's self-proclaimed prophets.
Now you mourn the gap that is actually your freedom and look to the primitive, diseased and idiotic past for some way to larp yourself back into a box.

>>9974680
Doesn't matter. You're going straight to hell anyway.

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>>9969081
>Christian Europe conquer the world
>Atheist Europe is conquered by Islam within one generation

Hmmmmmm

>>9970398
So we have to return to year 1000? Seriously?

>>9970973

>>9970973
>It originally targeted the Cathars, who were absolutely insane and evil.

insane? world-denying dualism as unstable unhealty worldview okay i can see that. how were they evil though? i thought they were a peaceful and benevolent community who just got legit shoah'd by the (((Catholic Church))) for being heretics that don't worship (((Yahweh)))?

>>9969095
>yes, islam is the true answer
when jesus wake up for armageddon he has big surprise lol

>>9969081
absolutely not

not really, if it hadn't been christianity another monotheistic religion would've spread. the problem was the church abusing their power and misinterpreting the bible. it's important to understand that the concept of the bible being metaphorical and more like the philosophical and moral guidelines to establishing a stable society, instead of some magic book, was and sadly still is foreign to most people. the bible contains tons of really good and effective code of ethics that are boiled down so that everyone can understand them, even if the reason for following them is because 'you'll burn in hell'. people should respect their christian heritage more even if they don't believe in god.

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>>9974376

>>9970042
>and he's actually giving the church the appearance of being Christian due to the focus on love, acceptance and tolerance

Citations on why these "virtues" represent Christianity?

Paganism is cooler desu

>>9974680
Purgatory exists to help christians like you who are ignorant of the fullness of the true Faith.

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>>9970622
>separation of church and state

oh sweetie... you haven't researched the history of the religion clauses whatsoever, have you?

>>9971193
>Not advocating for socialism or communism
>Implying that would fix anything and not just result in the state performing the same abuse
>Not advocating the consumption of a significant amount of philosophical literature before attaching yourself to an idiotic ideology

>>9973990
God is generally considered sexless. God is a person, but not a human person. God is personage. Though, the masculine pronoun is used to refer to God because God's grace "penetrates" all of reality. The Church, receives the grace, and thus takes on a feminine role to Christ. The Church is the bride, Christ is the bride-groom.

>>9970398
Where's Proto-Indo-Europeans

>>9975669
>implying there is anything atheist about how Europe has dealt with newcomers

It's the most purest expression of tolerant Christendom

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>>9976567

>>9970807
They don't have exclusive rights to that, lots of writings were preserved by the Byzantine Empire

>>9976196
>literally yet another scare tactic by the Catholic church
Just stop

>>9976144
The Bible because that's what jesus embodied

>>9976200
>personal opinion = legislation
No

>>9976567
Wow Christian lore is not even /sffg/ tier, who writes this shit

Anyway, nice reading comprehension, I was talking about caitlyn jenner, not God. Though, there is no reason strictly speaking to think God is sex less, especially because the first human to be made in His image was male and he was consistently referred to as male in the Bible, and only male figures would have had any real power and gained any respect in early Jewish culture

>>9977757

They decided that roody poos were only worth 3/5ths of a person, I'm pretty sure they would be okay with disenfranchising atheists. It would never have occurred to them though because atheism was for all intents and purposes non-existent at the time, just like it would never have occurred to them that muslims would ever want to migrate to the US.

>>9977778
That was so the slaveowners wouldn't give their slaves too much power and wouldn't have to pay as much taxes, there's no similar incentive for atheists

>>9977785

I know, it just seems silly to me to appeal to the constitution when arguing for socially liberal causes when the men who wrote the constitution literally owned people. I don't get why the constitution should be "reinterpreted" because that defies the point of having a constitution in the first place.

>>9970609
>he doesn't realise the enlightment and industrial revolution were the WORST things to happen to mankind

>>9977797
It seems even sillier to think the personal opinions of the people who wrote the constitution matter in any way to modern society, except in how those opinions affected what they put into the constitution.

The constitution isn't being reinterpreted, it literally iterates separation of church and state as one of America's main tenets

>>9970467
You really don't know anything about Germanic traditions nor neo-paganism, do you?
>Varg
Might as well ask a televangelist about Christianity.

>>9977811
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"

find the word separation in there please

in fact it says thr same thing abiut speech and guns. are we to separate the government from all speech and all arms somehow?

it outlines a limitayion on government power. separation is never stated. at all

>>9977825
>hurr durr if it uses the dictionary definition of separation in reference to church and state but doesn't use the word separation, it's viewpoints can't be summarised as the separation of church and state

>>9977833
the viewpoints cannot be summarized as separation

it is a delineation of limitations on government scope of lawmaking and enforcement. some of then apply to PEOPLE

are you suggesting that the government is legally pbligated to maintain separation from the people?

how stupid are you?

>>9977847
They literally can though. Making no law to help or harm the church, means the state is separated from the church as it can't interfere with its workings

And yes, the separation could also be applied to speech, and even guns, but to do it for guns would be stupid

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>>9977861
it does not say help or harm....

you sound like pic related

the bill of righta establishes LIMITS on the scope of federal power. that is IT

separation is not a limit on scope. it is a frame of operation for the executive legislative and judiciary, none of which is detailed in the bill.

given that the bill pertains to government scope and limitations over PEOPLE on.the same fucking sentence, your argument means that the government must be separated from citizens

that is retarded and you are retarded

>>9977874
Making a law that respects an establishment of religion, or one that prohibits the free exercise of religion, is helping or harming a religion and its adherents respectively. Work on your reading comprehension and stop being autistic

That book is right

Separation is a limit of scope. It is a huge limit on scope, since it completely eradicates any religion-related topics from the scope of the government

Yes, if those citizens are adherents to a religion then the government can not make any laws that affect them based on their religion. The church is composed of of people, so separation of church and state is the prohibition of legislation affecting adherents purely because of their religion

>>9977894
separation is not definition of scope. it is relgation of enumwrated powers, duties, and obligations, which is defined in other documents, the same documents that enumerate the operation of the legislative branch.

the bill of rights is strictly a limitation of federal powers. it is NOT mission statement

do you think peoppe have a "right" to.healthcare too, you idiot?

rights are not positively defined. they are negatovely defined as things the FEDERAL government cannot legislate on (but state governments can and do)

all of the states had official religions when the bill was signed. THAT should tell youvsomething

look at 5, life liberty and happiness. you have a right to happiness. how? do you think the government MUST supply you with happiness if you are unhappy? no. it means the government faces steep barriers in depriving you of such.

please kill yourself

EACH STATE HAD ITS OWN OFFOCIAL RELIGION DURING AND AFTER THR SIGNING. THIS IS A FEDERAL ISSUE YOU 90 IQ MESTIZO

>>9977921
You're just wrong here, separation is intrinsically definition of scope since it removes


Rights are a top-tier spook, so I don't believe anybody has rights, but a "right" to singlepayer health care seems just as valuable as a right to bear arms

Rights can be positively defined too, some rights require legislation, the right to property is a positive right and requires legislation


That tells me that states were free to do what they wanted to do, since that was also a key tenet of the founding fathers, and I haven't suggested anything else.

You have a right to *pursue* happiness, reading comprehension again

>autistic screeching about something I haven't denied or contested
Ok

>>9969081
yes

>>9969091
Rome was a piece of shit that needed to be humbled.
>>9969921
Your problem comes form elsewhere, silly pagan.

>>9974051
There are gods in Buddhism you stupid fucking humanist.
>>9974134
Wrong, Stoicism is the complete antithesis to Christianity. Only an illiterate could even compare them

>>9970398
>muh obscurantism

>>9969091
Adopting Christianity was like a renaissance for the Roman Empire.

>>9969095
>Europe needs more incest, disease, and illiteracy
>t. filthy dune coon

>>9969921
My friend, every little tribe from every corner of the world had it's own petty gods and goddesses to worship until they were replaced with something greater.

>>9970042
>>9973862
>Christianity should be more like My Little Pony and Jesus was like the chillest guy ever.
> https://imgur.com/a/iXHhC
>The teachings of Christ are not vague but to the poor souls who get their cherry-picked Christianity from heretics. Jesus was clear when he told the whore to stop whoring and beg for forgiveness if she wants to be forgiven. Nowadays you have faggots who think themselves Christian because they go to church once or twice a year while juggling cocks every other day of the week.

>>9971193
>"Boo, we're nothing but easily replaceable cogs in a machine! We were much better when we were easily replaceable peasants on a plot of land."
You're replaceable only if you have nothing to distinguish yourself from the masses. You made yourself replaceable and you allow yourself to be.

>>9974711
>People fought for centuries to be free from grovelling worship of the environment as a food source, the sky or it's self-proclaimed prophets.
Yeah, and they switched to grovelling worship of an abstract entity who'd hopefully grant them food. But of course this one is totally different :^)

Without Christianity Europe would still be nigger tier.
Instead of shit posting on 4chan all day about how edgy you are you'd spend all your time running errands and offering your female relatives to some war lord before he slices your head off for groveling incorrectly.

of course, imagine where we would be after 2,500 years of classical civilization

>>9980262
muh ancestors...

>>9980262
Women still wouldn't have equal rights though. Not that Christianity helped them in the slightest

>>9981390
>Implying that's a criticism

>>9974159
It's not a misconception on the other hand that where there is universal agreement amongst them, there's total agreement with the Church.
>>9974186
Purgatory is for people who die in the light of God, but still are not pure enough, hence purgation. Heretics descent into hell to the devil and his angels the moment they die.

>>9977752
How is a guy who's going to condemn most of mankind to eternal, endless suffering loving and tolerant in the modern sense of the word?

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>>9969948
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFO5ck1vaSE

>>9970915
because Greece was still under Ottoman control during the Renaissance

Read some marx weber. Christianity made what the west is including its unpaparelled achievements in the arts, technology, science, philosophy and human development.

Im speaking as an Asian

>>9969081
For the most part.

>>9983036
That is irrelevant. Weber is a heretic.

>>9969081
You tell us OP.

>>9977811
>>9977833
>>9977894

All that means is that the US is not to establish a state church. Putting "In God we Trust" on the money doesn't violate the constitution, and neither would disenfranchising atheists, although I hope we don't do that because I wouldn't be able to vote. Separation of church and state doesn't mean that the government can't involve itself in religion, it just means that the church *can't be the government.* I'm sorry if this triggers you but Ronald Reagan praying on tv didn't violate any constitutional law.

>>9970057
Go ahead and cast the first stone.

>>9979943
>being this much of an edgy faggot
Why not just go and raise up another Irminsul and shove it right up your ass?

>>9970398
>Catharism

i will fuck you up m8

stop bumping your thread gaylord

>>9986034
No, it means the federal government is not allowed to put into place legislation that helps or harms religions and their adherents. States could theoretically make their own churches, unless you meant state as in government in general.

If the federal government were to disenfranchise atheists that would arguably be indirect prohibition of atheists' free exercise to practice their religion (religion for legal purposes). I'd also say the in God we trust is a very minor violation of the constitution, since it respects Christianity and has the vague undertone of having Christianity as the federal religion.

It literally does mean the government can't involve itself in religion. And, the acts of members of the government are not legislation - legislation is how the government would interfere (but can't because of the constitution). I mentioned in the first post you quoted how the personal opinions of the people writing the constitution don't matter in themselves, and the same goes for the people of the government now.

>>9970398
>Humanism and Renaissance overall
>Enlightment
>French Revolution
Going to need explanations for these ones.

>>9986381
Spotted the humanist

stop bumping your thread gaylord

>>9987776
How about you explain why those things are mistakes?

>>9969081
The ideas of heaven and hell, love as divine, winged humans as religious figures, celibate priests, etc. were already present in the time of the Roman Republic and the Hellenistic Greek states.

Mostly what was added was the element of resentment and bleeding heartedness from Jesus of Nazareth, and arkloads of bilious kikery when the Old Testament started to be studied.

The early Christians also added the element of universalism, which comes from being a secretive, close-knit cult that later absorbed all society around it. Christendom became the idea of a world unified in one cult.

That's basically the attitude the modern West has, even if it's secularised since the 19th century.

Did the cult concept of Christendom protect Europe in a way that localised paganism couldn't? Could a civilised Roman pagan really reject a barbaric Syrian pagan like Elagabalus? They didn't have the fortitude or the integrity. All of Europe was praying for the defeat of the Turk at Lepanto.

On the other hand, the Jesus message has become so deeply absorbed that secularised Christendom is now behaving in the same suicidal way as the man himself.

I think it had its uses. The decadence has gone too far, now.

>>9987804
>Equality for everybody, except the better people
Downhill from there. Soon, sub 80 IQ people will take over Europe. Civilization will be a thing only in the East.

>>9988451
>Equality for everybody, except the better people
What the fuck are you talking about, and how did you come to the conclusion that sub 80 IQ people will take over Europe?

>>9988458
>What the fuck are you talking about
Human rights didn't belong to the king, as he was born to the wrong class, obviously! Hypocrite movement.
>and how did you come to the conclusion that sub 80 IQ people will take over Europe?
They breed more than the locals and they are taken in. They do not integrate. What follows is similar replacement as Islam did in North Africa, Persia/Turkey if we are lucky.

>>9988472
I literally can't understand what you're talking about. You sound like you're in a delirium. Can you explain what the fuck you are babbling on about?

>>9988482
For one, you seem to be of the plebeian or jewish archetype. Either way, you were meant to be an illiterate slave. Every other case will result in a scenario where your kin will start accessing ideas that make you violent and destructive to all good.
If the human rights were honest, the movement would not have started with guillotine. They would not have killed the royals. The same structure of destruction of the superior is seen even today. However, the limited minds literally can't even in the current year, so we are somewhat safe.

>>9988490
This desire to crash down the mountains and hills has resulted in digging. We bring millions of subhuman niggers into our continent, so that there would be an "oppressed group" - someone that has it even worse! The purpose, of course, is to have the better ones go away. The degeneration of everything.
At some point, humanity will be too stupid, adapted or smart to follow the machinations of these theorems, and the evolution can start over.

>>9988490
>They would not have killed the royals
What would they have done then?
>However, the limited minds literally can't even in the current year
You can't even make a coherent response, you're baiting me or literally mad.

>>9988501
>What would they have done then?
Suicide is a good start for such actions.

>>9987804
>please work within my frame!
No. Fuck off.

>>9969091
Wasn't the biggest mistake Rome made letting unassimilated Germanic tribes settle within their borders?

>>9989078
People see the cause of Rome's collapse how they want to see it. The mistake in regards to the barbarians was mistreating them to such a degree that they revolted.

>>9988490
>If the human rights were honest, the movement would not have started with guillotine. They would not have killed the royals.
So it's either all or nothing, there can be no middle ground or progress? Also I hope you realize Louis XVI was only executed in 1793 after it became very clear he was trying to subvert the revolution, and not because he belonged to the "wrong class".
Last, but not the least:
>muh jews
Is this really what this board has come to?

>>9989626

Everything that you see wrong with society can be traced back to the Jews and the interdimensional aliens. This is a fact.

>>9989741
>the Jews and the interdimensional aliens
implying they're not one and the same

>>9989436
Why have them in the first place?

I don't think Europe would be where it is today without Christianity, not really because of the religion itself, but because of the moral compass it gave people.